Gilbert Arenas talking about the size of players nowadays vs in the 90's

[LAmbruh]

"When the 90's players talking about how y'all soft, we would have put y'all on your ass...You're little! You're a little kid! We gain weight when we're older, these mfs are 60-70 years old, 185 lbs still. Like come on now, shut up. You're not even on a diet, you're just a little guy.

Like I remember..even like GP, he was a defensive stopper. He was literally a defensive stopper. My second year, I'm posting him up. You're little, 185. I was afraid of you my rookie year, I don't know why, you're little. Even John Stockton, you guys are little!...You were guys were defensive guys?! It became a joke, like put the two guard on me man, these point guards are just too little. That's what people don't understand, evolution"

@23:30

https://youtu.be/Yi-FJZ7iBSI?t=1645


Arena's SHITS on the 90's :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

No Chill Gil spitting straight FACTS.

[guy]

He also recently came out and said the analytics movement and the heavy reliance on 3s is stupid basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

Gilbert only started like 50 games in his career in a league without Gary Payton in it. Gary is from his era. Gilbert arenas peaked 14 years ago. Kyle Lowry been in the league for like 15 years and they have barely any overlap. Bet they played each other as starters 4 times.

Gilbert isn’t in today’s league and barely interacted with the people in it. Whatever he thinks of “old school” players they are mostly his peers.

When the kids laughing along with him talk about old days...they largely include the people he was playing with and against.

Gilbert played with Mookie Blaylock...

[2ball]

Yikes! 90’s league being exposed for what it really was. Don’t get me wrong players were ok but Derrick Rose and arenas were huge point guards compared to the 90’s

[scuzzy]

https://streamable.com/tz8m90

[Reggie43]

Dude expected a 39-40 year old Stockton to still be a great defender lol

[Honor Boost]

https://streamable.com/tz8m90

Very funny story, I've never seen this video thanks for sharing. I have noticed that players who are not affected by LeBron's ranking are honest with ranking him at the top but players who will be affected by his ranking are scared to rank him above or rank him highly. Gilbert had a strong prime and was considered a great player for his time before his injuries and he has no pride or ego issues with ranking LeBron. He can be honest and say what truth he feels.

[2ball]

Dude expected a 39-40 year old Stockton to still be a great defender lol

Nah bruh 90’s players didn’t have the lateral quickness. That’s why players like Allen Iverson were so devastating to even superstars like MJ

[L.Kizzle]

Arenas was a big PG. He was 6'4. Probably the same size a D-Wade
Chris Paul is 5'11 as is Kemba.

Penny and Steve Smith were PGs in the 90s. But so was Tim Hardaway.
Iverson was a 5'11 SG.

[Lebron23]

No Chill Gil spitting straight FACTS.

Arenas was original damian lillard

[scuzzy]

Arenas was original damian lillard
played a lot like Harden too

[LoneyROY7]

Gil was an innovator, it's a shame the knee injury cut his career short.

[Lebron23]

played a lot like Harden too

Yes. He was way ahead of his time. An innovator

[scuzzy]

Gil was an innovator, it's a shame the knee injury cut his career short.
Still looks like he's in good shape


I wonder if him and BRoy would still be in the league right now

[Mr. Woke]

Midgetsy Bogues and Spudget Webb played in the weak ass 80s/90s.

The NBA allowed literal midgets to play. And some folks have the unmitigated gall to question whether LeBron could survive the 80s/90s. Those people are delusional haters.

[Shooter]

Midgetsy Bogues and Spudget Webb played in the weak ass 80s/90s.

The NBA allowed literal midgets to play. And some folks have the unmitigated gall to question whether LeBron could survive the 80s/90s. Those people are delusional haters.

:lol :lol Amen

[LonelyOwl]

Don't let the oldheads who think the 90s was the golden age of basketball see this clip :lol

[LonelyOwl]

Midgetsy Bogues and Spudget Webb played in the weak ass 80s/90s.

The NBA allowed literal midgets to play. And some folks have the unmitigated gall to question whether LeBron could survive the 80s/90s. Those people are delusional haters.
Exactly those guys wouldn't make an NBA roster today :oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

Midgetsy Bogues and Spudget Webb played in the weak ass 80s/90s.

The NBA allowed literal midgets to play. And some folks have the unmitigated gall to question whether LeBron could survive the 80s/90s. Those people are delusional haters.

:lol

[Shooter]

Midgetsy Bogues and Spudget Webb played in the weak ass 80s/90s.

The NBA allowed literal midgets to play. And some folks have the unmitigated gall to question whether LeBron could survive the 80s/90s. Those people are delusional haters.

:lol


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[highwhey]

:lol


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:roll:

[highwhey]

Still looks like he's in good shape


I wonder if him and BRoy would still be in the league right now

I feel like arenas could have a jamal crawford role where he would come off the bench just for some offense in a limited role. no defense, no passing...just offense.

[LonelyOwl]

:lol


https://i.postimg.cc/8czvy5s8/mjera.png

:roll::roll::roll:

[tpols]

Shaq, D-Rob, Pat Ewing, Zo, Mutumbo, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Oakley, Mason, Barkley, Rodman, Larry Johnson, Shawn Kemp were all "little".

:oldlol:

Some of these guys had body builder physiques. And were all violent as hell.

Gilbert would be laid out in that era.

[LAmbruh]

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[Mr. Woke]

Shaq, D-Rob, Pat Ewing, Zo, Mutumbo, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Oakley, Mason, Barkley, Rodman, Larry Johnson, Shawn Kemp were all "little".

:oldlol:

Some of these guys had body builder physiques. And were all violent as hell.

Gilbert would be laid out in that era.

D-Rob looked ripped but wasn't that physical. His temperament might have been better served for the Navy.

Shaq had girth and height, but wasn't that physical either. His terrible movies make him less imposing.

Pat "gorilla face" Ewing sometimes tried to be imposing. However, his terrible hands and awkward movements made him less intimidating than a fookin flamingo.

Zo wasn't intimidating at all with that peanut head. Also, his issue with his kidney made him less imposing.

Mutumbo's crusty ass voice made him a caricature, not an intimidating guy whatsoever.

Hakeem wasn't scary at all. Muslims are not imposing.

Malone impregnated a 13 year old. He is an unimposing scumbag.

Oakley wasn't tall enough. He had the scowl, but had limited talent. He would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Mason is a homeless Draymond Green. Would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Barkley wasn't ripped enough to be truly intimidating. Also, he sucks at golf.

With regard to Rodman, any guy who wears a wedding dress can't be considered imposing.

With regard to Larry, any guy who cosplays as a grandma can't be considered intimidating.

Shawn Kemp wasn't physical enough either. He also was a cokehead.

[Mr. Woke]

:lol


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Lmao!! They both look like little kids.

[Mr. Woke]

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Lol at Jordan getting punked by a literal midget!

Jordan might as well have gotten his butt took in a prison shower.

Putrid performance. Sickening.

[Shooter]

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:roll::roll:

[goozeman]

More nonsense. Right now the league is the smallest it's been in 40 years. Every position is smaller today than have been since the 80's except point guard. Matter of fact, this season was the first time in 40 years that that 72% of players are under 6'9''. The league has gotten significantly shorter and less athletic. There are a lot of fatties in today's game which skews the weight averages, but overall the league is smaller and less athletic.

[Mr. Woke]

More nonsense. Right now the league is the smallest it's been in 40 years. Every position is smaller today than have been since the 80's except point guard. Matter of fact, this season was the first time in 40 years that that 72% of players are under 6'9''. The league has gotten significantly shorter and less athletic. There are a lot of fatties in today's game which skews the weight averages, but overall the league is smaller and less athletic.

Oh look, another boomer with nostalgia glasses.

Players nowadays are more athletic than ever, and the talent pool is bigger than it was before.

Rekt.

[tpols]

I'd be really curious to see an analysis on every starter from say 1995, and every starter from 2020, and see exactly what the average weight is.

I think it would be a landslide.

Today's players are built for spacing, 3 and D. They're finesse. There's no way they were bulkier than the slug it out 90's.

[Shooter]

I'd be really curious to see an analysis on every starter from say 1995, and every starter from 2020, and see exactly what the average weight is.

I think it would be a landslide.

Today's players are built for spacing, 3 and D. They're finesse. There's no way they were bulkier than the slug it out 90's.

He's talking about weight my dude. Watch the actual clip and get a clue :lol

Modern swingmen:
LeBron, Jimmy, Kawhi, Giannis, Harden

BIG. BEEFY

90s swimgmen all looked like KD :lol

[tpols]

Shaq had girth and height, but wasn't that physical either.

I rarely use two... but..

:roll: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

:lol


https://i.postimg.cc/8czvy5s8/mjera.png
:lol


More nonsense. Right now the league is the smallest it's been in 40 years. Every position is smaller today than have been since the 80's except point guard. Matter of fact, this season was the first time in 40 years that that 72% of players are under 6'9''. The league has gotten significantly shorter and less athletic. There are a lot of fatties in today's game which skews the weight averages, but overall the league is smaller and less athletic.
the thing is that right now players pack way more punch per pound because of superior lifestyles, training and discipline and are also significantly longer

it seems like every other 6'10 guy in the league today has a 7'5 wingspan... that's evolutionary pressure

[Kblaze8855]

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[scuzzy]

look at little Spud go, traffic cones standing in awe :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

I love to shit on the 80's and 90's as much as anyone, but...

This is the first year since 1979 that the average height in the NBA is 6-6, and not 6-7

Weight has also been on the decline since 2014-2015, which was the heaviest it's ever been

[RRR3]

He also recently came out and said the analytics movement and the heavy reliance on 3s is stupid basketball.
Ironic given he played an analytics friendly style.

[Trollsmasher]

look at little Spud go, traffic cones standing in awe :lol

he's so cute, they are letting him score, knowing that he will always be a massive net negative:roll:

[goozeman]

Oh look, another boomer with nostalgia glasses.

Players nowadays are more athletic than ever, and the talent pool is bigger than it was before.

Rekt.

Nostalgia glasses? Those are literally the league averages. You can go look them up yourself. The league is shorter and fatter as a percentage of players (BMI>25). A lot of guys on rosters now aren't athletic at all. They are just shooters and can't do anything else. Take off your recency bias glasses. Don't just look at the NBA either. Watch NCAA games from 90's and compare them today's players. Good teams from that era would run circles around teams today at the college level. They were in better shape and more athletic. Even the best athletes growing up today are in terms of physical activity couch potatoes compared to kids who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. If you grew up back then you would know organized sports were an everyday thing, not something your parents made you do. Kids self-organized sports year-round. Kids were made to go outside all day and weren't just sitting on their couch playing videos games or watching youtube on their phone. The fat are everywhere now, and kids don't develop proper motor skills. When I started playing baseball at six our coach expected us to be able to turn double plays, and we did so routinely in little league games. Kids routinely hit home runs, etc. My buddy has a kid in little league and he invited me to come watch them play no too long ago. Lol, these kids can barely run around the bases, can't catch, throw, or hit. Nothing. It was pathetic watching this sad display of future couch potatoes try to partake in a physical activity. It's obvious if you just take a look around and notice all the fat, uncoordinated people jiggling around wherever you go. Why would athletes be superior when you are drawing them from a pool of mostly overweight phone zombies?

[highwhey]

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[Round Mound]

So is there any PF today with Kar Malone's Upper Body Strength Today? (85 draft)
So are there any 6´4-6´5 ft players today as athletic and strong as MJ and Charles Today? (84 draft)
Is there any center Bigger and Stronger than Shaq Today? (92 draft)

:confusedshrug:

[AlternativeAcc.]

look at little Spud go, traffic cones standing in awe :lol

:roll:


Those dudes are are unbelievably uncoordinated. Amazing how far we've come in 25-30 years


90s players weren't human

[Shooter]

I love to shit on the 80's and 90's as much as anyone, but...

This is the first year since 1979 that the average height in the NBA is 6-6, and not 6-7

Weight has also been on the decline since 2014-2015, which was the heaviest it's ever been

Averages muddy things though, outliers are what matter.

Who cares if the average bench guy is 6'6 and 200 lb the STARS that make the biggest impact are all beefy

Modern era swingmen: LeBron, Harden, Kawhi, Giannis, Butler

[Im Still Ballin]

Nostalgia glasses? Those are literally the league averages. You can go look them up yourself. The league is shorter and fatter as a percentage of players (BMI>25). A lot of guys on rosters now aren't athletic at all. They are just shooters and can't do anything else. Take off your recency bias glasses. Don't just look at the NBA either. Watch NCAA games from 90's and compare them today's players. Good teams from that era would run circles around teams today at the college level. They were in better shape and more athletic. Even the best athletes growing up today are in terms of physical activity couch potatoes compared to kids who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. If you grew up back then you would know organized sports were an everyday thing, not something your parents made you do. Kids self-organized sports year-round. Kids were made to go outside all day and weren't just sitting on their couch playing videos games or watching youtube on their phone. The fat are everywhere now, and kids don't develop proper motor skills. When I started playing baseball at six our coach expected us to be able to turn double plays, and we did so routinely in little league games. Kids routinely hit home runs, etc. My buddy has a kid in little league and he invited me to come watch them play no too long ago. Lol, these kids can barely run around the bases, can't catch, throw, or hit. Nothing. It was pathetic watching this sad display of future couch potatoes try to partake in a physical activity. It's obvious if you just take a look around and notice all the fat, uncoordinated people jiggling around wherever you go. Why would athletes be superior when you are drawing them from a pool of mostly overweight phone zombies?

I definitely think the modern sedentary lifestyle, exacerbated by the internet, smartphones and social media... Has weakened, or gracilized us to a degree.

The further you go back in time, the greater the robusticity and density the bones of humans become

Humans are extremely plastic, malleable to force

The physical freaks in sporting history often worked hard manual labor early in life

Guys like Sonny Liston, Brock Lesnar, Aleksandr Karelin, Max Baer, etc...

[highwhey]

So is there any PF today with Kar Malone's Upper Body Strength Today? (85 draft)
So are there any 6´4-6´5 ft players today as athletic and strong as MJ and Charles Today? (84 draft)
Is there any center Bigger and Stronger than Shaq Today? (92 draft)

:confusedshrug:

https://basketballforever.nyc3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/03013243/Zion-1.jpg 6'6 but point stands

[HylianNightmare]

I'll take anything he says with a grain of salt

[goozeman]

I definitely think the modern sedentary lifestyle, exacerbated by the internet, smartphones and social media... Has weakened, or gracilized us to a degree.

The further you go back in time, the greater the robusticity and density the bones of humans become

Humans are extremely plastic, malleable to force

The physical freaks in sporting history often worked hard manual labor early in life

Guys like Sonny Liston, Brock Lesnar, Aleksandr Karelin, Max Baer, etc...

Definitely agree. The only real people have to day is in terms of sports science, but as far as the foundation, the population as whole was more athletic in the past because life required it to be.

Most of what people call athleticism on the court today isn't really athleticism at all but a product of the rules that allow for stylistic changes as far as agility displayed on the court. In terms of freedom of movement, players were restrained back in the day due to the emphasis and requirement to adhere to fundamentals. For example, during the dribble players always had to keep you hand on top of the ball or it was a carry. This was much more strictly enforced at every level. Players came into league with that style of movement so ingrained as a habit that they literally could not dribble any other way. The same was true of footwork and emphasis on use of pivot foot.

Put a 6'10" 220-pound PF like Tom Chambers in the league today and he would easily be a top-five athlete in the game. He could run the floor like a guard back then, but if you suddenly give him gather step, hesitation dribbles, the ability to palm the ball, etc. he would look like Giannis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q6PuWutCHg

What about a guy like Orlando Woolridge? Another player that physically a monster, but nobody talks about today. There aren't a lot of athletes like him in today's game, 6'10" 220 pounds with his level of overall agility.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5JbAfX70kk

[Shooter]

Makes me wonder if the 80s and 90s guys didn't know they could lift weights and still be a good player? I know it was a primitive basketball era but I feel they at least had to know how to lift weights? The top tier swingmen of the modern era would body these tiny swingmen

LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, Wade, Harden, Zion, Simmons, Westbrook

ALL BEEF TEAM. Pencil-arm 90s defenders would be shook

[L.Kizzle]

Guys like Gus Johnson and Dr. J very very muscular for their height/position. For every George Gervin back then you have a Kevin Durant of today.

Chris Paul isn't very athletic for today's standards but neither was Tim Hardaway.

[dirkdiggler41]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gilbert-arenas-and-earl-boykins-of-the-washington-wizards-frustrated-picture-id94083500

[Trollsmasher]

Makes me wonder if the 80s and 90s guys didn't know they could lift weights and still be a good player? I know it was a primitive basketball era but I feel they at least had to know how to lift weights? The top tier swingmen of the modern era would body these tiny swingmen

LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, Wade, Harden, Zion, Simmons, Westbrook

ALL BEEF TEAM. Pencil-arm 90s defenders would be shook

true

look at the poster above hyping up 6'10 220 twigs... of course these guys could move somewhat well, but today's guys move better at 30 more pounds

those twigs would get BULLIED

[goozeman]

true

look at the poster above hyping up 6'10 220 twigs... of course these guys could move somewhat well, but today's guys move better at 30 more pounds

those twigs would get BULLIED

LMAO, you want to do NBA fight club? The ultimate test of athleticism is who would when in a fight, right? The front courts from 80's to 90's beat the crap out of any ensemble you can come up with from today's soft bunch. Shaq, Oakley, Lambier, Barkley, Malone, Ben Wallace, Kevin Willis, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing, etc., etc,. Cut the crap, guards are slighty bigger (mostly PG's) but all other positions the league were bigger, more fierce, and more athletic in the 80's and 90's. Millennial AAU players driving around in their hybrid cars don't want any of that smoke cause it would be an ass whippin. This dude Kevin Willis right here is a true 7 footer and his playing weight was probably every bit of 260 or 270 pounds, not the 220 it says on bref which is a joke. These guys were much bigger than their listed weights.

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/46/462814/3194447-8655708357-5ec5c.png

[Shooter]

LMAO, you want to do NBA fight club? The ultimate test of athleticism is who would when in a fight, right? The front courts from 80's to 90's beat the crap out of any ensemble you can come up with from today's soft bunch. Shaq, Oakley, Lambier, Barkley, Malone, Ben Wallace, Kevin Willis, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing, etc., etc,. Cut the crap, guards are slighty bigger (mostly PG's) but all other positions the league were bigger, more fierce, and more athletic in the 80's and 90's. Millennial AAU players driving around in their hybrid cars don't want any of that smoke cause it would be an ass whippin. This dude Kevin Willis right here is a true 7 footer and his playing weight was probably every bit of 260 or 270 pounds, not the 220 it says on bref which is a joke. These guys were much bigger than their listed weights.

https://giantbomb1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/46/462814/3194447-8655708357-5ec5c.png

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AGAIN: The top tier swingmen of the modern era would body these tiny 90s swingmen

LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, Butler, Wade, Harden, Zion, Simmons, Westbrook

ALL BEEF TEAM. Pencil-arm 90s defenders would be shook. Craig Ehlo? John Starks? Jeff Hornacek?

The beefy swingmen of the 90s is Pippen and...?

Sheesh, where is eliteballer when you need him :lol

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[goozeman]

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[And1AllDay]

bruh why dont people get it this makes me sorta mad when people are dumb

pippen was conisdered a big wing in nineties ball but in modern era he would be below average he is close to george paul size maybe?

new crop of players are big and strong and still athletic / quick

bran, kiwi, yanny, harden, wade, zion, simmons

these are big swingmen.

[Mr. Woke]

Nostalgia glasses? Those are literally the league averages. You can go look them up yourself. The league is shorter and fatter as a percentage of players (BMI>25). A lot of guys on rosters now aren't athletic at all. They are just shooters and can't do anything else. Take off your recency bias glasses. Don't just look at the NBA either. Watch NCAA games from 90's and compare them today's players. Good teams from that era would run circles around teams today at the college level. They were in better shape and more athletic. Even the best athletes growing up today are in terms of physical activity couch potatoes compared to kids who grew up in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. If you grew up back then you would know organized sports were an everyday thing, not something your parents made you do. Kids self-organized sports year-round. Kids were made to go outside all day and weren't just sitting on their couch playing videos games or watching youtube on their phone. The fat are everywhere now, and kids don't develop proper motor skills. When I started playing baseball at six our coach expected us to be able to turn double plays, and we did so routinely in little league games. Kids routinely hit home runs, etc. My buddy has a kid in little league and he invited me to come watch them play no too long ago. Lol, these kids can barely run around the bases, can't catch, throw, or hit. Nothing. It was pathetic watching this sad display of future couch potatoes try to partake in a physical activity. It's obvious if you just take a look around and notice all the fat, uncoordinated people jiggling around wherever you go. Why would athletes be superior when you are drawing them from a pool of mostly overweight phone zombies?

Misguided boomer lol.

Get out of your retirement home every once in a while.

[goozeman]

bruh why dont people get it this makes me sorta mad when people are dumb

pippen was conisdered a big wing in nineties ball but in modern era he would be below average he is close to george paul size maybe?

new crop of players are big and strong and still athletic / quick

bran, kiwi, yanny, harden, wade, zion, simmons

these are big swingmen.

The difference between a SG in the 90's and now is maybe 5 pounds on average and that's all just improved nutrition and training. Height is the same. Players aren't really bigger. The training is just more advanced so players are able to stay closer to their walking around weight. That's it. Some players like Giannis can come into the league so skinny that they wouldn't make a roster in the 80's or 90's. The league is not more physical so I doubt any players from the 90's are getting bullied in today's league.

[ralph_i_el]

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I started a chant that I like to think got Earl Boykins put back into a Wizards blowout home loss.

[Mr. Woke]

LMAO, you want to do NBA fight club? The ultimate test of athleticism is who would when in a fight, right? The front courts from 80's to 90's beat the crap out of any ensemble you can come up with from today's soft bunch. Shaq, Oakley, Lambier, Barkley, Malone, Ben Wallace, Kevin Willis, Robinson, Mourning, Ewing, etc., etc,. Cut the crap, guards are slighty bigger (mostly PG's) but all other positions the league were bigger, more fierce, and more athletic in the 80's and 90's. Millennial AAU players driving around in their hybrid cars don't want any of that smoke cause it would be an ass whippin. This dude Kevin Willis right here is a true 7 footer and his playing weight was probably every bit of 260 or 270 pounds, not the 220 it says on bref which is a joke. These guys were much bigger than their listed weights.

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You are misguided.

D-Rob looked ripped but wasn't that physical. His temperament might have been better served for the Navy.

Shaq had girth and height, but wasn't that physical either. His terrible movies make him less imposing.

Pat "gorilla face" Ewing sometimes tried to be imposing. However, his terrible hands and awkward movements made him less intimidating than a fookin flamingo.

Zo wasn't intimidating at all with that peanut head. Also, his issue with his kidney made him less imposing.

Mutumbo's crusty ass voice made him a caricature, not an intimidating guy whatsoever.

Hakeem wasn't scary at all. Muslims are not imposing.

Malone impregnated a 13 year old. He is an unimposing scumbag.

Oakley wasn't tall enough. He had the scowl, but had limited talent. He would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Mason is a homeless Draymond Green. Would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Barkley wasn't ripped enough to be truly intimidating. Also, he sucks at golf.

With regard to Rodman, any guy who wears a wedding dress can't be considered imposing.

With regard to Larry, any guy who cosplays as a grandma can't be considered intimidating.

Shawn Kemp wasn't physical enough either. He also was a cokehead.

[And1AllDay]

You are misguided.

D-Rob looked ripped but wasn't that physical. His temperament might have been better served for the Navy.

Shaq had girth and height, but wasn't that physical either. His terrible movies make him less imposing.

Pat "gorilla face" Ewing sometimes tried to be imposing. However, his terrible hands and awkward movements made him less intimidating than a fookin flamingo.

Zo wasn't intimidating at all with that peanut head. Also, his issue with his kidney made him less imposing.

Mutumbo's crusty ass voice made him a caricature, not an intimidating guy whatsoever.

Hakeem wasn't scary at all. Muslims are not imposing.

Malone impregnated a 13 year old. He is an unimposing scumbag.

Oakley wasn't tall enough. He had the scowl, but had limited talent. He would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Mason is a homeless Draymond Green. Would be a G leaguer in today's era.

Barkley wasn't ripped enough to be truly intimidating. Also, he sucks at golf.

With regard to Rodman, any guy who wears a wedding dress can't be considered imposing.

With regard to Larry, any guy who cosplays as a grandma can't be considered intimidating.

Shawn Kemp wasn't physical enough either. He also was a cokehead.

:oldlol::roll:

https://i.gyazo.com/f33d19fa3ea96b768f09423258b253fe.gif

[And1AllDay]

The difference between a SG in the 90's and now is maybe 5 pounds on average and that's all just improved nutrition and training. Height is the same. Players aren't really bigger. The training is just more advanced so players are able to stay closer to their walking around weight. That's it. Some players like Giannis can come into the league so skinny that they wouldn't make a roster in the 80's or 90's. The league is not more physical so I doubt any players from the 90's are getting bullied in today's league.

you dont get it

average is not doing a lot it is the top outliers that matter , ill make a quick example to educate your azz

example of sf weight, all 6'8

200
200
200
200
250 (* bran outlier)

median sure is 200, and average is 210

but the top outlier players are 250 which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more then the 200 guys so he is a outlier and dominates all the 200

so basically there are more "250" guys now then in the 90s

your welcome on basic statistics...stick around 2020 you can learn a lot from me

[goozeman]

you dont get it

average is not doing a lot it is the top outliers that matter , ill make a quick example to educate your azz

example of sf weight, all 6'8

200
200
200
200
250 (* bran outlier)

median sure is 200, and average is 210

but the top outlier players are 250 which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more then the 200 guys so he is a outlier and dominates all the 200

so basically there are more "250" guys now then in the 90s

your welcome on basic statistics...stick around 2020 you can learn a lot from me


If anybody is getting bullied it would be the players from this soft era. You should know there is a difference between playing the physical style of the 80's and 90's and rec ball product on the court today. Actually, that's an insult to rec ball because you can get a little physical in the gym at least, as opposed to not being able to touch anybody at all in today's NBA. It's night and day, and a player that isn't used to dealing a lot of contact and the dirty tactics defenders can employ are going to have a hard time dealing with it. The offensive games back then were designed deal with the contact and dirty play. Today's NBA players would be clueless and would just get intimidated, especially after taking a few hard fouls that resulted in no calls.

Could you imagine somebody like Klay Thompson or Curry trying to deal with all the bumping, grabbing, hooking, and jersey pulling Reggie Miller had to deal with? Go watch some highlights instead of just talking a bunch of nonsense. Curry especially would have very difficult time because he is so little. He wouldn't get free launches without getting bumped all the time and when you are small guy even a little contact really affects your ability to shoot. But in this era Curry is a unanimous MVP because he's got a green light to shoot from the league and you can't touch the little guy. All offensive stars are the same in this era. They can't be touched. They ain't bullying nobody.

BTW, you mention Lebron, but who are the others? Lebron isn't even a SG anyway, and if he played in any other era he would just be a PF because for his size that is his natural position, and he would just be another dude at the PF spot. Look at the measurements on SF/PF's from other eras. There are outliers for specific players from every era, but these are the exception to the norm. That's why they are called outliers. They do not make a trend. Fact: SF's are the same size now that the were in the 90's. Fact: PF's are the same size as they were in the 90's. In fact, they have been getting smaller. Kawhi is a SF and the man is listed at 6'7" 225 pounds. He's a big SF, but he a little guy next to somebody like Barkely who played a lot of his career on the wing. Barkley was far more dramatic outlier playing a lot of his career on the wing, especially with the Suns. But Barkley was a PF, so forget that comparison. I just used him as one example.

But you then you also have guys that played the small SF position in the 90's who were bigger than Leonard anyway. Detlef Shrempf played most of his career at the SF and the man was way bigger than Leonard. Likewise guys like Jamaal Mashburn and Larry Johnson. You can easily find exceptions in any era, but the average sizes are basically the same, with the exception that players are shorter now than they were back then. Like I said, if he anybody is getting bullied it would be today's players because the game was much more physical in the 80's, 90's, and some of the 2000's a before the NBA reinforced hand checking and freedom of movement. Besides, many of the weights are just wrong on bref. They got a SF like McGrady listed at 210 which is obviously dudes rookie weight when he was 18. McGrady's playing weight was every bit of 225 to 230 pounds (about the same as Kawhi's). There are many other examples. Players today aren't any more athletic or bigger than they were in by the mid to late 90's. All of the changes were just the NBA adapting strength training in the early 90's. Humans didn't miraculously evolve to get bigger muscles.

Besides, modern players are midgets now cause all anybody can do in this league is shoot 3's and that favors the little guy.

[LucasB]

I think the players are bigger, stronger and fitter now then they have ever been and I can imagine that they will continue to grow over decades until they have to put the hoops up 20 feet ;-)

[brownmamba00]

Lmao this one kid called Shaq not intimidating. You'd shit your pants if he even glanced at you.:oldlol:

[brownmamba00]

I love Gil's podcasts but he's deadwrong on this one.

Funny thing is he's talking to lil ass Lou Will about this era's players being bigger. 6'5 to 6'6 forwards masqueraded as centers were unheard of back then.

[dbugz]

Arenas' conclusion: Jordan is the G.O.A.T., but Bryant is the G.O.A.T. of hard work: (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/michael-jordan-or-kobe-bryant-former-nba-player-gilbert-arenas-debates)

doesn't even consider libron :roll:

/thread

[AlternativeAcc.]

Arenas' conclusion: Jordan is the G.O.A.T., but Bryant is the G.O.A.T. of hard work: (https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/michael-jordan-or-kobe-bryant-former-nba-player-gilbert-arenas-debates)

doesn't even consider libron :roll:

/thread

July 2015


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[Carbine]

After reading someone say Shaq was not a physical player, I'm outta here for awhile.

[HylianNightmare]

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/gilbert-arenas-and-earl-boykins-of-the-washington-wizards-frustrated-picture-id94083500

Boykins a legend

[ralph_i_el]

Earl Boykins weighed 140 and benched 315.

[Mr. Woke]

Lmao this one kid called Shaq not intimidating. You'd shit your pants if he even glanced at you.:oldlol:

Nope.

His terrible movies/mumbling makes him unintimidating as hell.

[Mr. Woke]

After reading someone say Shaq was not a physical player, I'm outta here for awhile.


What a snowflake!

[Smoke117]

Arenas was a big PG. He was 6'4. Probably the same size a D-Wade
Chris Paul is 5'11 as is Kemba.

Penny and Steve Smith were PGs in the 90s. But so was Tim Hardaway.
Iverson was a 5'11 SG.

Steve Smith? What? He was a SG/wing. He never played pg. Also calling Arenas the same size of Dwade is laughable. Wade had a good 15lbs of muscle on Arenas and was a much, much better athlete. Paul and Kemba are also 6'0" not 5'11".

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Everyone need to check out Agent 0 podcast and videos of him and Swaggy P, also the Road Trippin episodes of them 2.

Entertainment at its finest.

[Shooter]

you dont get it

average is not doing a lot it is the top outliers that matter , ill make a quick example to educate your azz

example of sf weight, all 6'8

200
200
200
200
250 (* bran outlier)

median sure is 200, and average is 210

but the top outlier players are 250 which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more then the 200 guys so he is a outlier and dominates all the 200

so basically there are more "250" guys now then in the 90s

your welcome on basic statistics...stick around 2020 you can learn a lot from me

Damn, And1 with that 2010 account knowledge. Training these 2020 kids to be better. Nice work Dr. And1

[Shooter]

I love Gil's podcasts but he's deadwrong on this one.

Funny thing is he's talking to lil ass Lou Will about this era's players being bigger. 6'5 to 6'6 forwards masqueraded as centers were unheard of back then.

No, you are. It's basic statistics that has been proven in this thread. Read more.


I think the players are bigger, stronger and fitter now then they have ever been and I can imagine that they will continue to grow over decades until they have to put the hoops up 20 feet ;-)

Thank you Lucas.

[L.Kizzle]

Steve Smith? What? He was a SG/wing. He never played pg. Also calling Arenas the same size of Dwade is laughable. Wade had a good 15lbs of muscle on Arenas and was a much, much better athlete. Paul and Kemba are also 6'0" not 5'11".
PG wasn't his natural position but he played it. He talked about him and Penny being huge PGs in the 90s on an episode of Open Court. Wade was not (way) more athletic than Arenas. He was more athletic but Wade wasn't Vince Carter or something out on the floor. Arenas was a pretty big PG and Wade a small SG.
6 and 5'11, same thing, lol.

[Shooter]

ALL BEEF TEAM in 2020

Bron
Harden
Kawhi
Zion
Giannis

Can you imagine 175 pound 90s defenders trying to guard these guys? Did you see what LeBron did to Tyler Herro?


https://i.postimg.cc/2jxCk4L8/herro-lol.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

I think the players are bigger, stronger and fitter now then they have ever been and I can imagine that they will continue to grow over decades until they have to put the hoops up 20 feet ;-)

If that is the case, why were so many players crying about the season being too long (per-pandemic.)
They played as many as 5 games in a row in the 60s.
Travel was bad as recent as the 80s.
Players didn't have personnel trainers and all these other advantages.

Yet, there is more advantages and players are still load managing in 2020.

Elgin Baylor spent half of the 1962 season in the Army Reserves. So he played when it was convenient to him.

[Bawkish]

ALL BEEF TEAM in 2020

Bron
Harden
Kawhi
Zion
Giannis

Can you imagine 175 pound 90s defenders trying to guard these guys? Did you see what LeBron did to Tyler Herro?


https://i.postimg.cc/2jxCk4L8/herro-lol.jpg

your all-beef team would be just a regular tuesday night for the Bad Boys

Laimbeer alone would make this team implode just after the 1st quarter

[Shooter]

your all-beef team would be just a regular tuesday night for the Bad Boys

Laimbeer alone would make this team implode just after the 1st quarter

:roll::roll:


https://alchetron.com/cdn/bill-laimbeer-0f5ea5f7-6e1c-47b2-89ba-450f9e1bf47-resize-750.jpeg

I think we'd be alright