Lebron couldn't have done it without Anthony Davis and this ring doesn't change him

[Walk on Water]

It was Anthony Davis. Take away Davis off the team and Lebron can't win the championship. Some will say AD can't win either. But the bottom line is without AD, Lebron cannot win. If anything, this was more of a team win. Lebron didn't do it all by himself. He needed every teammate. Cold Well Pope basically never missed a 3 pointer the whole series. I only remember him missing one shot. Also, he had Carusso who I never saw miss and he was the 3rd stringer behind Rondo.

4 Hall of fame players on one team. Lebron, Howard, Rondo, and AD. Plus Kuzma is an upcoming star. And he had 3 point specialists in JR Smith and Danny Green. It's not fair that people now are saying Lebron is the Goat, but how can you say Durant deserves no credit for whooping Lebron, but then it's okay for Lebron to have Anthony Davis and 2 other hall of famers?

Also, Jordan made Pippen better. But Lebron didn't make AD better because AD is a natural super star. So Jordan had it much tougher and had to do more work to mold his team.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Still melting

[Walk on Water]

Still melting


But what I'm saying is true.

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

You dont even know how dumb your post is, I dont even need to put in my arguement against it.

Go read the "Breaking News" posts to stimulate your brain instead create a thread thats beaten to death 50yrs ago.

[Mr. Woke]

3ball made an alternate account lol.

[LonelyOwl]

Jordan without Pippen
Kobe without Gasol
Shaq without Kobe

The same logic applies

[pandiani17]

And Magic couldn't win without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
And Larry Bird couldn't win without Mchale and Parish.
And Jordan couldn't win without Pippen.
And Kobe couldn't win without Shaq or Gasol.
And Stephen Curry couldn't win without Klay and Draymond.

In case you have missed it, basketball is a team sport. And LeBron has won a chip with AD and players that nobody wanted, therefore the AD impact is much lessened.

[tpols]

And Magic couldn't win without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
And Larry Bird couldn't win without Mchale and Parish.
And Jordan couldn't win without Pippen.
And Kobe couldn't win without Shaq or Gasol.
And Stephen Curry couldn't win without Klay and Draymond.

In case you have missed it, basketball is a team sport. And LeBron has won a chip with AD and players that nobody wanted, therefore the AD impact is much lessened.

McHale, Pippen, Pau, Dray and Klay are a faaaaaar cry from Anthony Davis.

I'll give you KAJ and Shaq, but AD put up better numbers than both of them.

[dawsey6]

McHale, Pippen, Pau, Dray and Klay are a faaaaaar cry from Anthony Davis.

I'll give you KAJ and Shaq, but AD put up better numbers than both of them.

Don't let Shaq see you say this or you'll be BBQ chicken.

[ThatCoolKid]

No Pip, no chip :lol

What had AD won before playing with Lebron? :lol

[pandiani17]

McHale, Pippen, Pau, Dray and Klay are a faaaaaar cry from Anthony Davis.

I'll give you KAJ and Shaq, but AD put up better numbers than both of them.

The role-players that Bird, Jordan, Kobe or Curry had were also a faaaaar cry from the roster the Lakers had this postseason, full of neglected players signed on the cheap.

[tpols]

Don't let Shaq see you say this or you'll be BBQ chicken.

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.



The role-players that Bird, Jordan, Kobe or Curry had were also a faaaaar cry from the roster the Lakers had this postseason, full of neglected players signed on the cheap.

Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

[ThatCoolKid]

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.



:lol
Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

Rondo and Dwight were both washed losers until they got to play with Lebron :lol

LeElevate :bowdown:

[MadDog]

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.




Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

In the playoffs AD: averaged more points than LeBron per game, shot better from the field, played better defense, equaled LeBron in PER and had more winshares. LeBron outassisted him and had a better BPM/VORP. All in all though this was clearly a co-alpha ring. The question is, why do people think AD was "the help"?

[ThatCoolKid]

In the playoffs AD: averaged more points than LeBron per game, shot better from the field, played better defense, equaled LeBron in PER and had more winshares. LeBron outassisted him and had a better BPM/VORP. All in all though this was clearly a co-alpha ring. The question is, why do people think AD was "the help"?

Lebron is the one who closes the game when it matters. He lets Davis shoulder part of the load, but when it came down to it in the 4th quarter Lebron is the one creating. Watch Game 3, 4, 5, 6. Lebron is also the one running the entire offense. Davis has some nice jumpers, but most of his points come from standing under the rim and letting Lebron's creation generate open looks for him. That's why Davis looked so dominant Games 1 and 2 and then disappeared when the open looks dried up when the Heat adjusted.

[MadDog]

Jordan without Pippen
Kobe without Gasol
Shaq without Kobe

The same logic applies

Apples and oranges. Jordan was clearly better than Pippen, Kobe was clearly better than Pau and Shaq was clearly better than Kobe. The difference is LeBron and AD are clearly 1a-1b. Statistically, AD actually has a case over LeBron.

[8Ball]

Jordan never won without Pippen.

Breaking news?

[pandiani17]

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.




Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

I've made my point. It's up to you whether to agree with it or not.

[tpols]

In the playoffs AD: averaged more points than LeBron per game, shot better from the field, played better defense, equaled LeBron in PER and had more winshares. LeBron outassisted him and had a better BPM/VORP. All in all though this was clearly a co-alpha ring. The question is, why do people think AD was "the help"?

Because most people are dumb.

[8Ball]

Dwight was unplayable vs the Heat. Wtf is tpols talking about.

[tpols]

I've made my point. It's up to you whether to agree with it or not.

You didn't make any point. You compared AD to a handful of guys he is way better than, outside Shaq and KAJ.

And then were corrected on playoff Rondo and Dwight who both had big time positive splits and impact in the playoffs.

[MadDog]

Because most people are dumb.

Yeah its a weird phenomenon. We're to believe LeBron is "GOAT" for playing next to someone who outscores him and plays better defense :oldlol:

[MadDog]

Lebron is the one who closes the game when it matters. He lets Davis shoulder part of the load, but when it came down to it in the 4th quarter Lebron is the one creating. Watch Game 3, 4, 5, 6. Lebron is also the one running the entire offense. Davis has some nice jumpers, but most of his points come from standing under the rim and letting Lebron's creation generate open looks for him. That's why Davis looked so dominant Games 1 and 2 and then disappeared when the open looks dried up when the Heat adjusted.

AD literally hit a game-sealing, clutch three in Game 4 of the finals. And drilled a game-winner in the conference finals. Enough with the hyperbole.

[ArbitraryWater]

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.




Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

Dwight was a complete no factor in the finals

some role player lol


Lakers' role players were largely duds

It was all LeBron and AD, next best was... Rondo

[8Ball]

LeBron can take players that are 1 year away from retirement and turn them into solid role players. But they are useless without LeBron.


Look at that garbage ass 2015 finals where Delly was his best running mate.

[Baller789]

LeBron can take players that are 1 year away from retirement and turn them into solid role players. But they are useless without LeBron.


Look at that garbage ass 2015 finals where Delly was his best running mate.

Whos 1 year from retirement tho?

[RRR3]

Tpols’ IQ might legitimately be in the 50s. Good god what a retard. Straight up Down syndrome posts.

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Pretty laughable for a Warriors fan to post nonsense like this. How many all stars did Steph Curry have as teammates on his titles?

[ThatCoolKid]

AD literally hit a game-sealing, clutch three in Game 4 of the finals. And drilled a game-winner in the conference finals. Enough with the hyperbole.

Game 4 was basically over when AD hit that shot. He was irrelevant in building up the lead that actually won the game. Passive Ant knew it was time to let Lebron go to work.

[ThatCoolKid]

Pretty laughable for a Warriors fan to post nonsense like this. How many all stars did Steph Curry have as teammates on his titles?

How many FMVPs does Curry have :lol

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Shaq never scored on 130 ORTG.

I know you guys like to pretend shooting and FTs don't count, but they do.




Total BS.

Rondo and Dwight both played amazing.

Oh look this retard is posting BS and calling others BS. Yes, Dwight Howard who played 16 minutes a game putting up 6/4 was "amazing." He had a few good games, but only a retard like you would say his playoff run was "amazing." Just pure idiocy kindergarten nonsense from a very stupid poster.

The much smarter poster who this retard was responding to was correct. If Howard or Rondo were "amazing" that obviously means Bird, Jordan and Kobe had legends supporting them. Nobody has ever said Andrew Bynum for example was great in the 2010 playoff run, but compared to Dwight Howard he actually was amazing.

[8Ball]

Pretty laughable for a Warriors fan to post nonsense like this. How many all stars did Steph Curry have as teammates on his titles?

This is warriorsfan?

LOL

[BigtimeNBAFan]

Tpols’ IQ might legitimately be in the 50s. Good god what a retard. Straight up Down syndrome posts.

Oh I have no doubt he is a retard. That is the only explanation for someone who is that stupid. Sometimes I feel bad mocking his constant idiocy since he is mentally handicapped, but if his handlers at his group home are going to give him this much internet access, it is the only way. It is too bad. For someone who supposedly is into sports (obviously he knows absolutely nothing about basketball) you would think his handlers would get him involved in the special olympics or something.

[Roundball_Rock]

The difference between Jordan without Pippen and those other legends without their best teammate is those other players had varying levels of team success anyway.

KAJ w/out Magic: 1x champ, 2 finals, 5 WCF, 5 MVP's
Wilt w/out West: 1x champ not looking up finals/CF, 4 MVP's
LeBron w/out Wade: 2x champ, 6 finals, 7 ECF/WCF, 2 MVP's
Magic w/out KAJ: 1 finals, 2 MVP's
Shaq w/out Kobe: 1x champ, 2 finals, 4 ECF
Bird w/out McHale: ECF (one season without McHale)
Hakeem w/out Drexler: 1x champ, 2 finals
Russell w/out Havlicek: multiple chips, MVP's, etc.
Duncan w/out Robinson: 3x champ, 4 finals, 6 WCF

And then we get to Jordan....

Jordan w/out Pippen: 0x champ, 0 finals, 0 ECF

Jordan is lucky the Bulls were able to get a top 5 pick from Seattle to get Pippen. Otherwise, his team success would have looked more like Hakeem's.

There is nuance to Jordan's lack of success without Pippen (also some hypocrisy: MJ stans go on and on about PPG. By that metric, Woolridge and Stackhouse are the best teammates MJ ever had. They will cite Oakley being on the Knicks to argue that team was great but call him a scrub and "no help" when he was on the Bulls going 20/15 in the playoffs) but it remains a historical fact and as long as Jordan fans keep presenting his team success as one man achievements, the logical response will be where were those one man achievements without Pippen and the GOAT coach?


Tpols’ IQ might legitimately be in the 50s.

Which is why he needs 1-9ball to tell him what to think so often. :lol

[TheBranStan]

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