Career PPG for Jordan's Finals/ECF Opponents

[Roundball_Rock]

Since MJ stans make PPG the be all end all, someone had to tell them.

Career PPG

Thomas: 19
Dumars: 16
Magic: 20
Worthy: 18
Drexler: 20
Porter: 12
Price: 15
Daughtery: 19
Barkley: 22
Johnson: 18
Ewing: 21
Starks: 13
Payton: 16
Kemp: 15
Shaq: 24
Penny: 15
Malone: 25
Stockton: 13
Hornacek: 15
Hardaway: 18
Mourning: 17
Miller: 18
Smits: 15

The corresponding numbers for LeBron's Finals/ECF opponents would be much higher. Now that this has been exposed, can we move on from the idiotic PPG talking points--we know scoring is higher across the board in this era (as are advanced stats that bake in scoring/efficiency/etc.)? Thanks in advance. :cheers:

[3ball]

No dummy

Lebron's opponents are in their prime, so their stats reflect peak numbers

You can only compare peak vs peak of their respective opponents, or their actual averages at the time MJ faced them..

For example, Shaq and Malone were averaging nearly 30 when MJ faced them ... Ditto Barkley, Ewing, Dominique, and others

Then there's the all-star deficit (Pistons had 5 starters that were 3x all-stars, while Jordan had 1 all-star teammate

[8Ball]

Since MJ stans make PPG the be all end all, someone had to tell them.

Career PPG

Thomas: 19
Dumars: 16
Magic: 20
Worthy: 18
Drexler: 20
Porter: 12
Price: 15
Daughtery: 19
Barkley: 22
Johnson: 18
Ewing: 21
Starks: 13
Payton: 16
Kemp: 15
Shaq: 24
Penny: 15
Malone: 25
Stockton: 13
Hornacek: 15
Hardaway: 18
Mourning: 17
Miller: 18
Smits: 15

The corresponding numbers for LeBron's Finals/ECF opponents would be much higher. Now that this has been exposed, can we move on from the idiotic PPG talking points--we know scoring is higher across the board in this era (as are advanced stats that bake in scoring/efficiency/etc.)? Thanks in advance. :cheers:

Lol 3ball getting curb stomped in every thread since Sunday.

but but but PPGZ

[Roundball_Rock]

Lol 3ball getting curb stomped in every thread since Sunday.

but but but PPGZ

PPG. PER. Whatever 1-9ball and his disciples bring up leads to them getting wrecked with their own logic. :lol

[8Ball]

Yeah 3ball uses PPG or PER whenever it suits his needs in an argument.

When we use PPG or PER against him he has a meltdown.

Making him eat his own shit.

[8Ball]

Since PER means so much to 3ball.

7 playoff runs LeBron has over 30 PER.
4 playoff runs Jordan has over 30 PER.

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah 3ball uses PPG or PER whenever it suits his needs in an argument.

When we use PPG or PER against him he has a meltdown.

Making him eat his own shit.


Since PER means so much to 3ball.

7 playoff runs LeBron has over 30 PER.
4 playoff runs Jordan has over 30 PER.

Yup. They need to do better. Jordan has a legit case for GOAT but they are so busy melting down they can't make that case. They go from dumb TP to dumb TP, like PPG or PER or preseason odds.

[8Ball]

I have Jordan and LeBron neck and neck with Jordan a slight edge in the GOAT ranking.

But LeBron has 4 more years left so it's hard to see LeBron staying where he is in the ranking.

[highwhey]

PPG. PER. Whatever 1-9ball and his disciples bring up leads to them getting wrecked with their own logic. :lol

:oldlol:

[guy]

Since MJ stans make PPG the be all end all, someone had to tell them.

Career PPG

Thomas: 19
Dumars: 16
Magic: 20
Worthy: 18
Drexler: 20
Porter: 12
Price: 15
Daughtery: 19
Barkley: 22
Johnson: 18
Ewing: 21
Starks: 13
Payton: 16
Kemp: 15
Shaq: 24
Penny: 15
Malone: 25
Stockton: 13
Hornacek: 15
Hardaway: 18
Mourning: 17
Miller: 18
Smits: 15

The corresponding numbers for LeBron's Finals/ECF opponents would be much higher. Now that this has been exposed, can we move on from the idiotic PPG talking points--we know scoring is higher across the board in this era (as are advanced stats that bake in scoring/efficiency/etc.)? Thanks in advance. :cheers:

You sure about that?

Billups: 15
Rip: 17
Sheed: 14
Duncan: 19
Parker: 16
Ginobili: 13
Howard: 17
Rashard:15
Rose: 19
Boozer: 16
Dirk: 21
KG: 18
Pierce: 20
Ray: 19
Durant: 27
Westbrook: 23
Harden: 25
Kawhi: 19
PG: 20
West: 14
Steph: 24
Klay: 20
Draymond: 9
Millsap: 14
Derozon: 20
Lowry: 15
IT: 18
Tatum: 17
Jokic: 17
Murray: 16
Butler: 17

Thats an average of 17.9 ppg. The group for Jordan was 17.6 ppg :oldlol: And as you said, thats with scoring being way up today. :oldlol:

Not saying your overall point isn't valid but maybe check your data before you make the thread :oldlol:

[MadDog]

You sure about that?

Billups: 15
Rip: 17
Sheed: 14
Duncan: 19
Parker: 16
Ginobili: 13
Howard: 17
Rashard:15
Rose: 19
Boozer: 16
Dirk: 21
KG: 18
Pierce: 20
Ray: 19
Durant: 27
Westbrook: 23
Harden: 25
Kawhi: 19
PG: 20
West: 14
Steph: 24
Klay: 20
Draymond: 9
Millsap: 14
Derozon: 20
Lowry: 15
IT: 18
Tatum: 17
Jokic: 17
Murray: 16
Butler: 17

Thats an average of 17.9 ppg. The group for Jordan was 17.6 ppg :oldlol: And as you said, thats with scoring being way up today. :oldlol:

Not saying your overall point isn't valid but maybe check your data before you make the thread :oldlol:

Damn. Gonna have to fact check this Roundball_Rock poster from now on. :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

:lol guy had to smuggle in a bunch of 3rd/4th options to get a 0.3 PPG edge (the only I had was Hornacek, since he arguably was their #2). Shall we check what 3rd/4th options scored in the 90's? :oldlol: Scoring is higher now and many of these players are not yet in their "old man" years. It shouldn't be surprising an "apples to apples" comparison would show the latter group as having higher career PPG, which was the point. Don't MJ stans themselves always talk about how much easier it is to score today (except when it comes to LeBron's or MJ's teammates of course)?

[AlternativeAcc.]

:lol guy had to smuggle in a bunch of 3rd/4th options to get a 0.3 PPG edge (the only I had was Hornacek, since he arguably was their #2). Shall we check what 3rd/4th options scored in the 90's? :oldlol:

:roll:

[Shooter]

Lol 3ball getting curb stomped in every thread since Sunday.

but but but PPGZ

3ball taking big beatings every thread. Rag dolled and disrespected every step of the way

[Shooter]

You sure about that?

Billups: 15
Rip: 17
Sheed: 14
Duncan: 19
Parker: 16
Ginobili: 13
Howard: 17
Rashard:15
Rose: 19
Boozer: 16
Dirk: 21
KG: 18
Pierce: 20
Ray: 19
Durant: 27
Westbrook: 23
Harden: 25
Kawhi: 19
PG: 20
West: 14
Steph: 24
Klay: 20
Draymond: 9
Millsap: 14
Derozon: 20
Lowry: 15
IT: 18
Tatum: 17
Jokic: 17
Murray: 16
Butler: 17

Thats an average of 17.9 ppg. The group for Jordan was 17.6 ppg :oldlol: And as you said, thats with scoring being way up today. :oldlol:

Not saying your overall point isn't valid but maybe check your data before you make the thread :oldlol:

Dray? You're adding #4 options now? Pathetic. #Caught

[Roundball_Rock]

Dray? You're adding #4 options now? Pathetic. #Caught

:lol

Not only that, look at:

He has Sheed' in, the 4th option.
He used Boozer, not Deng for the 11' Bulls. Deng was the Bulls' #2.
He has Allen, another 3rd option.
He has only one Hawk listed for some reason.
He has only one Heat listed.
No second option for the 17' Celtics.

I probably missed 1-2 others but won't look that closely.

It is obvious what he did. Calculate the MJ average, then cherry pick players to get the LeBron average below the MJ average. Shameless. :lol

[Shooter]

:lol

Not only that, look at:

He has Sheed' in, the 4th option.
He used Boozer, not Deng for the 11' Bulls. Deng was the Bulls' #2.
He has Allen, another 3rd option.
He has only one Hawk listed for some reason.
He has only one Heat listed.
No second option for the 17' Celtics.

I probably missed 1-2 others but won't look that closely.

It is obvious what he did. Calculate the MJ average, then cherry pick players to get the LeBron average below the MJ average. Shameless. :lol

What a pathetic piece of shit :lol

guy is a fraud #Exposed

[guy]

:lol guy had to smuggle in a bunch of 3rd/4th options to get a 0.3 PPG edge (the only I had was Hornacek, since he arguably was their #2). Shall we check what 3rd/4th options scored in the 90's? :oldlol: Scoring is higher now and many of these players are not yet in their "old man" years. It shouldn't be surprising an "apples to apples" comparison would show the latter group as having higher career PPG, which was the point. Don't MJ stans themselves always talk about how much easier it is to score today (except when it comes to LeBron's or MJ's teammates of course)?

Smuggle? I put in more guys for Lebron since he's had more Finals/CFs. I didn't realize you were doing all 1st/2nd options with just Hornacek as the exception. With that said, I can do the same. That would remove Sheed, Ginobili, Ray, and Draymond. It should also remove Harden, but I'll make that the one exception just to show how stupid this observation still is. I'd also have to add Jason Terry, Al Horford, Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and Bam Adebayo since I initially only added the corresponding 1st options for those.

Billups: 15
Rip: 17
Duncan: 19
Parker: 16
Howard: 17
Rashard: 15
Rose: 19
Boozer: 16
Dirk: 21
Jet: 13
KG: 18
Pierce: 20
Durant: 27
Westbrook: 23
Harden: 25
Kawhi: 19
PG: 20
West: 14
Steph: 24
Klay: 20
Millsap: 14
Horford: 14
Derozon: 20
Lowry: 15
IT: 18
Bradley: 12
Tatum: 17
Jaylen: 13
Jokic: 17
Murray: 16
Butler: 17
Bam: 11

Guess what? They are virtually identical (at least when you round it like you did), with Jordan's comp actually having a slight edge at at 17.5652 vs Lebron's 17.5625. You want to backtrack some more roundclown? :oldlol:

[Shooter]

Smuggle? I put in more guys for Lebron since he's had more Finals/CFs. I didn't realize you were doing all 1st/2nd options with just Hornacek as the exception. With that said, I can do the same. That would remove Sheed, Ginobili, Ray, and Draymond. It should also remove Harden, but I'll make that the one exception just to show how stupid this observation still is. I'd also have to add Jason Terry, Al Horford, Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown, and Bam Adebayo since I initially only added the corresponding 1st options for those.

Billups: 15
Rip: 17
Duncan: 19
Parker: 16
Howard: 17
Rashard: 15
Rose: 19
Boozer: 16
Dirk: 21
Jet: 13
KG: 18
Pierce: 20
Durant: 27
Westbrook: 23
Harden: 25
Kawhi: 19
PG: 20
West: 14
Steph: 24
Klay: 20
Millsap: 14
Horford: 14
Derozon: 20
Lowry: 15
IT: 18
Bradley: 12
Tatum: 17
Jaylen: 13
Jokic: 17
Murray: 16
Butler: 17
Bam: 11

Guess what? They are virtually identical (at least when you round it like you did), with Jordan's comp actually having a slight edge at at 17.5652 vs Lebron's 17.5625. You want to backtrack some more roundclown? :oldlol:

How did you miss Gilbert Arenas when LeBron beat him 3 years in a row you loser?
Add another 21 fakkit :lol

You're so dishonest I need to look closer now

#Caught

Edit:

Add
Vince Carter too fakkit (another +17)
Joe Johnson +16
Arenas +21

[guy]

:lol

Not only that, look at:

He has Sheed' in, the 4th option.
He used Boozer, not Deng for the 11' Bulls. Deng was the Bulls' #2.
He has Allen, another 3rd option.
He has only one Hawk listed for some reason.
He has only one Heat listed.
No second option for the 17' Celtics.

I probably missed 1-2 others but won't look that closely.

It is obvious what he did. Calculate the MJ average, then cherry pick players to get the LeBron average below the MJ average. Shameless. :lol

Most of the things you mentioned like removing Allen and replacing Deng with Boozer doesn't help you, you f'n math wiz. :oldlol:

[guy]

How did you miss Gilbert Arenas when LeBron beat him 3 years in a row you loser?
Add another 21 fakkit :lol

You're so dishonest I need to look closer now

#Caught

Never faced Arenas in a conference finals. Should we be adding 24-25 ppg each for Bird, Nique and Dantley to Jordan? Fall back dumb*ss .:oldlol:

[Shooter]

Never faced Arenas in a conference finals. Should we be adding 24-25 ppg each for Bird, Nique and Dantley to Jordan? Fall back dumb*ss .:oldlol:

So why are you adding 3rd and 4th options fakkit? Fall back dumb*ss :lol

90s 4th options might put MJ's #s in the negative :roll:

[guy]

So why are you adding 3rd and 4th options fakkit? Fall back dumb*ss :lol

90s 4th options might put MJ's #s in the negative :roll:

I edited the list to include only all 1st and 2nd options and James Harden. Unfortunately, that made it worse. If you think adding Vince Carter and Joe Johnson was going to help, maybe take a math class idiot. :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

Guy getting absolutely thrashed.


Poor guy

[Roundball_Rock]

Guy getting absolutely thrashed.


Poor guy

Sad to see. I thought he would be one of the few MJ fans to make it through this week unscathed but apparently not.

[Shooter]

Sad to see. I thought he would be one of the few MJ fans to make it through this week unscathed but apparently not.

He's in a dark place. His hero is top 5 at best

1. LeBron
2. Kareem
3. Bird
4. Magic
5. Russell
6. ?

[guy]

Sad to see. I thought he would be one of the few MJ fans to make it through this week unscathed but apparently not.

Dude you have been scarred for like 7 months now since the documentary. Who are you to talk? :oldlol:

If you're not going to respond to my reply (i don't know maybe you're punk ass blocked me again :oldlol:) then take the L and move on roundbitch :oldlol:. I acknowledged that your overall point was valid, but this isn't much of a subjective argument - you're clearly wrong here and the numbers show it. You having some trolls cosigning you doesn't change that, it only makes you look more pathetic. :oldlol:

[Shooter]

Dude you have been scarred for like 7 months now since the documentary. Who are you to talk? :oldlol:

Take the L and move on roundbitch :oldlol:. I acknowledged that your overall point was valid, but this isn't much of a subjective argument - you're clearly wrong here and the numbers show it. You having some trolls cosigning you doesn't change that, it only makes you look more pathetic. :oldlol:

You haven't been the same since the 2020 Finals, you used to be more mellow. Is everything okay? Did something...happen?

https://i.postimg.cc/B6fM6wVj/lequattro.png

[Brasileiro]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/121824366_835522747193801_2083893423867446940_n.jp g?x48953

It’s a wrap :roll:

[Shooter]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/121824366_835522747193801_2083893423867446940_n.jp g?x48953

It’s a wrap :roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/7E8UVkXfoLBviyDfah/giphy.gif

Well that was easy :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Sad to see. I thought he would be one of the few MJ fans to make it through this week unscathed but apparently not.

LeQuatro is too big of a burden for many of the mentally fragile MJ stains to carry

The meltdowns are flowing like Niagara, as are their collective tears.


They lost the war and every single battle along the way. What a miserable scenario for them. :lol

[Shooter]

LeQuatro is too big of a burden for many of the mentally fragile MJ stains to carry

The meltdowns are flowing like Niagara, as are their collective tears.


They lost the war and every single battle along the way. What a miserable scenario for them. :lol

LeQuatro is hurting them even more than I thought. They can't fathom that LeGoat keeps on piling up Finals appearances and extending records.

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/121824366_835522747193801_2083893423867446940_n.jp g?x48953

It’s a wrap :roll:
:milton

[Roundball_Rock]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/121824366_835522747193801_2083893423867446940_n.jp g?x48953

It’s a wrap :roll:

What they will say is compare those to what MJ and LeBron's teams had against the comp. They won't like the answer... :lol For instance, in all-NBA Jordan's teams have a 11-9 edge while LeBron's had a 14-18 deficit.

[8Ball]

The last 3 LeBron championships wasn't this ferocious in terms of LeBron family just going for the throat.