Winning more = Better Career. Winning Less = Worse Career. Plain and Simple. LJ > MJ

[Shooter]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron wins more in regular and post season than anybody


GOAT winner

Its not hard to understand

[Shooter]

Lebron wins more in regular and post season than anybody


GOAT winner

Its not hard to understand

He really is the greatest champion of all time.

[MadDog]

If winning more equals a "better career" than Jordan wins because 6>4. Nobody in their right mind is taking 4 finals appearances over 2 rings. Poor LeBron fans. You make this easy :oldlol:

[Shooter]

If winning more equals a "better career" than Jordan wins because 6>4. After all, nobody in their right mind is taking 4 finals appearances over 2 rings. Poor LeBron fans. You make this easy :oldlol:

He did nothing more than LeBron. Not Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, Finals, or Playoff series won. Be careful on rings, we all know Russell has 11 baby girl :lol

[MadDog]

He did nothing more than LeBron. Not Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, Finals, or Playoff series won. Be careful on rings, we all know Russell has 11 baby girl :lol

You're deflecting from your thread title. Here, I got another BIG L for you...

[Shooter]

You're deflecting from your thread title. Here, I got another BIG L for you...

Read. Keep up.

[Walk on Water]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?


You don't get it. Lebron made more playoffs series and yet still won less finals. That's a negative, not a positive. The whole point is a chip. Lebron lost more times in the Finals and has a much lesser winning pct whereas Jordan won 100 pct in the finals and still has more Finals wins. It's not that hard to understand.

Championships are better than losing more championships.

[Stanley Kobrick]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?
high IQ user

[Shooter]

You don't get it. Lebron made more playoffs series and yet still won less finals. That's a negative, not a positive. The whole point is a chip. Lebron lost more times in the Finals and has a much lesser winning pct whereas Jordan won 100 pct in the finals and still has more Finals wins. It's not that hard to understand.

Championships are better than losing more championships.

LeBron is a better individual player than MJ even if you erase his 3 worst years

Let that sink in

No, don't respond yet. Let that sink in.

He made more Finals. Won more playoff series. Scored more Points. Stole more. Rebounded more. Assisted more.

[kawhileonard2]

I guess the Buffalo Bills are better than Eagles than to because they made the Superbowl 4 years in a row and lost while the Eagles went twice and won once.

[72-10]

Lebron plays more in regular and post season than anybody


GOAT winner

Its not hard to understand

fixed

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Jordan had two different 3peats, LeBron never had one 3peat. LeBron was about to get a 3peat in 2014 but Kawhi Leonard happened. Jordan fans should be thanking Kawhi for burying LeBron's potential 3peat legacy.

[3ball]

He did nothing more than LeBron. Not Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, Finals, or Playoff series won. Be careful on rings, we all know Russell has 11 baby girl :lol

He did more per game than lebron, and that's more important than playing longer

He also beat more Finals teams > beating 2nd round winners

Lebron isn't as good at beating the best teams (Finals teams) and therefore has lower long run championship expectation, aka inferior player

Carry on the fraud tho

[pauk]

Agree, Bill Russell > Jordan.

[G0ATbe]

Real winners lose in the 1st round.

[3BallSucks]

If you go by real life, LeBron > MJ. If you are an idiot and sort by rings, Russell > Jordan. MJ has no case.

[TheCorporation]

Real winners lose in the 1st round.

:roll::roll:

[Bronbron23]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?

This is dumb dude. Mj has more wins with way less games and series played. Your logic sucks. You need to stay off that weeeeeed bruh:facepalm

[Shooter]

This is dumb dude. Mj has more wins with way less games and series played. Your logic sucks. You need to stay off that weeeeeed bruh:facepalm

Can you read? Lebron literally won more playoff series in 10 equal playoff runs :lol

And I even took away Michael Jordan's 3 whoopsie years :roll: Michael Jordan's problem was that he was not consistent. He didn't maintain greatness for a long period of time compared to other legends,that's just the facts.

[Smoke117]

I guess Robert Horry is a top 30 player of all time then, huh?

[Shooter]

I guess Robert Horry is a top 30 player of all time then, huh?

I mean, the gist of the conversation revolves around 1st or at least 2nd options. I can't say Horry has been a solid #1 or #2 guy so to answer your question, no. Horry does not qualify as one that contribute to his wins. #1 and #2 options only. Furthermore, welcome back Smoke. There was a ton of meltdowns after LeBron won :cheers: Enjoy

[Shooter]

He did more per game than lebron, and that's more important than playing longer

He also beat more Finals teams > beating 2nd round winners

Lebron isn't as good at beating the best teams (Finals teams) and therefore has lower long run championship expectation, aka inferior player

Carry on the fraud tho

There is a 10 year breakdown where someone was even kind enough to erase MJ's 1-9 skidmarks from his record and only take his 10 best years. LeBron' still outdid him in 10 years. Why? How? Because he is better. He is more consistent. And he's not a fraud. Oh, and he did it against athletes and not mailmen and grocery baggers.

Carry on with your Michael Fraudan attempts tho :lol

[kawhileonard2]

MJ = 6 Titles, 6 finals MVP's, 5 League MVP's = 17 Points total
Russell = 11 Titles, 0 finals MVP's, 5 League MVP's = 16 Points Total
Kareem = 6 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 6 League MVP's = 14 Points Total
Lebron = 4 Titles, 4 finals MVP's, 4 League MVP's = 12 Points Total
Magic = 5 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 11 Points Total
Duncan = 4 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 2 League MVP's = 9 Points Total
Kobe = 5 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Shaq = 4 Titles, 3 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Bird = 3 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 8 Points Total
Wilt = 2 Titles, 1 finals MVP's, 4 League MVP's = 7 Points Total
Hakeem = 2 Titles, 2 finals MVP's, 1 League MVP's = 5 Points Total
Moses Malone = 1 Titles, 1 finals MVP's, 3 League MVP's = 5 Points Total
Kawhi = 2 Titles, 2 finals MVP's = 4 Points Total

[kawhileonard2]

https://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/olympics/games/2004-08-27-USA-ARG/

[Roundball_Rock]

The "longevity is bad and unfair" argument is so bad you don't see Montana fans making it or any fan base in any sport, outside of MJ stans. If we use the Jordan fan logic and simply exclude the extra years the guy with more longevity had, that means we have to cut Brady off in 2014 at minimum. Hey, Montana played 1 combined game in 91'/92'. That isn't fair so let's chop off two more years. Compare Montana's entire career to Brady from 2000-2012. Everything Brady did from 2013 on doesn't count! That means Montana is "4-0" and Brady is "3-2."

See how dumb that argument sounds when applied outside of cult hero MJ?

[Shooter]

The "longevity is bad and unfair" argument is so bad you don't see Montana fans making it or any fan base in any sport, outside of MJ stans. If we use the Jordan fan logic and simply exclude the extra years the guy with more longevity had, that means we have to cut Brady off in 2014 at minimum. Hey, Montana played 1 combined game in 91'/92'. That isn't fair so let's chop off two more years. Compare Montana's entire career to Brady from 2000-2012. Everything Brady did from 2013 on doesn't count! That means Montana is "4-0" and Brady is "3-2."

See how dumb that argument sounds when applied outside of cult hero MJ?

They just try to use it against Kareem because their retard hero had 3 retirements :lol And now they're trying to use it against LeBron

No joke, take the 3 years of MJ's 1-9 skid marked panties and bleach them out, leaving him just 10 years of playoffs and LeBron still out does him in a 10 year vs 10 year run. LeBron's peak is unprecedented. What he does doesn't even make sense, but he does it.

[Bawkish]

Can you read? Lebron literally won more playoff series in 10 equal playoff runs :lol

And I even took away Michael Jordan's 3 whoopsie years :roll: Michael Jordan's problem was that he was not consistent. He didn't maintain greatness for a long period of time compared to other legends,that's just the facts.

can you explain why Lebron still short of MJs rings despite winning more playoff series

MJ not consistent? WTF you talking about? He practically made 90s his own DYNASTY. Something Brontards like you were not familiar with

[MadDog]

Longevity is a great argument, just not the ONLY one which is what LeBron fans employ. Kareem has more titles/points/rebounds/blocks than LeBron, so why isn't his longevity considered "greater"? And if LeBron doesn't have the longevity argument over Kareem, he certainly doesn't have the PER GAME one > Jordan. Like I said, LeBron's case for GOAT just isn't there. :confusedshrug:

[Baller789]

OP doen't even understand his own thread. Hahahahaha!

[kawhileonard2]

The "longevity is bad and unfair" argument is so bad you don't see Montana fans making it or any fan base in any sport, outside of MJ stans. If we use the Jordan fan logic and simply exclude the extra years the guy with more longevity had, that means we have to cut Brady off in 2014 at minimum. Hey, Montana played 1 combined game in 91'/92'. That isn't fair so let's chop off two more years. Compare Montana's entire career to Brady from 2000-2012. Everything Brady did from 2013 on doesn't count! That means Montana is "4-0" and Brady is "3-2."

See how dumb that argument sounds when applied outside of cult hero MJ?

Montana and Brady wasn't hopping around from team to team trying to win titles and forming superteams. If Lebron is soo great how he jump from team to team 4 times with stars each time and still only has 4 titles in 17 years? Dude won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and had to get a guy suspended for that to happen. Despite being the preseason favorite as well.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html (Cleveland 1st)

[Shooter]

Longevity is a great argument, just not the ONLY one which is what LeBron fans employ. Kareem has more titles/points/rebounds/blocks than LeBron, so why isn't his longevity considered "greater"? And if LeBron doesn't have the longevity argument over Kareem, he certainly doesn't have the PER GAME one > Jordan. Like I said, LeBron's case for GOAT just isn't there. :confusedshrug:

Erase MJ's 1-9 skid mark years and only take his 10 best versus LeBron's 10 best. LeBron' still out does him even if you bleach out mj's skid marks

[Baller789]

Erase MJ's 1-9 skid mark years and only take his 10 best versus LeBron's 10 best. LeBron' still out does him even if you bleach out mj's skid marks

Yes, he does have MJ beat in a 10 year span...

For 2nd place finishes.

[MadDog]

Erase MJ's 1-9 skid mark years and only take his 10 best versus LeBron's 10 best. LeBron' still out does him even if you bleach out mj's skid marks

Jordan has LeBron beat in Regular-season/Playoff BPM, Regular-season/Playoff PER, Regular-season/Playoff PPG, Regular-season/Playoff OREB. Jordan also had more MVPs, FMVPs, rings and All-NBA def teams. LeBron's only case for "GOAT" is with assists, and Magic beats him comfortably there :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Jordan has LeBron beat in Regular-season/Playoff BPM, Regular-season/Playoff PER, Regular-season/Playoff PPG, Regular-season/Playoff OREB. Jordan also had more MVPs, FMVPs, rings and All-NBA def teams. LeBron's only case for "GOAT" is with assists, and Magic beats him comfortably there :oldlol:
you missed my thread ill bump it

[And1AllDay]

Jordan has LeBron beat in Regular-season/Playoff BPM, Regular-season/Playoff PER, Regular-season/Playoff PPG, Regular-season/Playoff OREB. Jordan also had more MVPs, FMVPs, rings and All-NBA def teams. LeBron's only case for "GOAT" is with assists, and Magic beats him comfortably there :oldlol:

no more anti 'longevity' for the mike fans lets just use the playoff stats for 10 best years of both. i took out mikes three 1st round whoopsies when daddy pippen and papa phil was not there to save him and boost him into 2nd round. this is comparing mikes 10 best years with brans. lets see if he wins anything more (mike doesnt)

stats for 10 best years

pts
bran, 5911
mike, 5632

ast
bran, 1510
mike, 959

reb
bran, 1611
mike, 1089

stls
bran, 362
mike, 352

blks
bran, 192
mike, 143

even if i erase mikes blemish whoopsies from his 1-9 and only take the 10 best playoff runs from both of them he still loses

its not longevity. its called goat consistency. its called advancing to finals gets you better stats.

10 finals > 6 finals

[Baller789]

no more anti 'longevity' for the mike fans lets just use the playoff stats for 10 best years of both. i took out mikes three 1st round whoopsies when daddy pippen and papa phil was not there to save him and boost him into 2nd round. this is comparing mikes 10 best years with brans. lets see if he wins anything more (mike doesnt)

stats for 10 best years

pts
bran, 5911
mike, 5632

ast
bran, 1510
mike, 959

reb
bran, 1611
mike, 1089

stls
bran, 362
mike, 352

blks
bran, 192
mike, 143

even if i erase mikes blemish whoopsies from his 1-9 and only take the 10 best playoff runs from both of them he still loses

its not longevity. its called goat consistency. its called advancing to finals gets you better stats.

10 finals > 6 finals
Hey, Lebron does have the GOAT runner-up trophies.

Amazing!

[TheGoatest]

If there was a trophy for getting swept in the first round, then Jordan would definitely destroy LeBron in that category. :oldlol:

[Baller789]

If there was a trophy for getting swept in the first round, then Jordan would definitely destroy LeBron in that category. :oldlol:


So by your logic, your admitting that the runners up trophy should be named after Lebron?

Thanks for agreeing with me.

[TheGoatest]

So by your logic, your admitting that the runners up trophy should be named after Lebron?

Thanks for agreeing with me.

I admit that a "swept in the first round" trophy should be named after Jordan. It should be called the "Waiting for Pippen to get drafted" trophy. :oldlol:

[Baller789]

I admit that a "swept in the first round" trophy should be named after Jordan. It should be called the "Waiting for Pippen to get drafted" trophy. :oldlol:

The Lebron James Finals runners up trophy. Yep sounds just about right!

[TheGoatest]

Yes, it does sound better than "swept in the first round" trophy, as a matter of fact. :lol

[Baller789]

Yes, it does sound better than "swept in the first round" trophy, as a matter of fact. :lol

Who's gonna make a trophy for that? Seriously? Your corny.

Runners up trophy tho.... Lololol

[TheGoatest]

Who's gonna make a trophy for that? Seriously? Your corny.

Runners up trophy tho.... Lololol

Yes, that's right. Playing in the first round and being the runner up against the team you were playing against. Without winning a single game.

[KennyPowers]

Montana and Brady wasn't hopping around from team to team trying to win titles and forming superteams. If Lebron is soo great how he jump from team to team 4 times with stars each time and still only has 4 titles in 17 years? Dude won 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted him and had to get a guy suspended for that to happen. Despite being the preseason favorite as well.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2011_preseason_odds.html (Dallas 7th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2014_preseason_odds.html (San Antonio 6th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2015_preseason_odds.html (Golden State 8th)

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2016_preseason_odds.html (Cleveland 1st)

#LeTruth

[Baller789]

Yes, that's right. Playing in the first round and being the runner up against the team you were playing against. Without winning a single game.

Whats funny is you actually think I'm arguing for Jordan.

LMAO!

[TheGoatest]

Whats funny is you actually think I'm arguing for Jordan.

LMAO!

No, you entered a LeBron-vs-Jordan thread and started spewing anti-LeBron nonsense so that you could argue in favor of Terry Rozier. :roll:

[Baller789]

No, you entered a LeBron-vs-Jordan thread and started spewing anti-LeBron nonsense so that you could argue in favor of Terry Rozier. :roll:
So anyone posting in a Lebron vs Jordan is a Jordan stan.

There are other players ya know. Lmao!

[TheGoatest]

Yeah, anyone who posts in a LeBron-vs-Jordan thread with nothing but anti-LeBron posts is anything but a Jordan stan, right? :roll:

[TheGoatest]

Surprise, surprise, no reply from Baller789

[TheGoatest]

STILL no reply?? Wow! OWNED!! I'm out, you're probably crying right now.

[Baller789]

STILL no reply?? Wow! OWNED!! I'm out, you're probably crying right now.
Yea cryin laughing how narrow minded you are.
There are other players. Lol

[Manny98]

Most championships - Bill Russell
Most playoff wins - LeBron
Most championships in the modern zone rule era - LeBron

Two greatest winners ever :applause:

[Baller789]

Most championships - Bill Russell
Most playoff wins - LeBron

Two greatest winners ever :applause:
Playoff wins... Thats cute.

Does he also have the most Eastern Conference Trophies in the modern age?

[Manny98]

Playoff wins... Thats cute.

Does he also have the most Eastern Conference Trophies in the modern age?

LeBron has won more than anyone in the modern era

[Manny98]

2 greatest winners ever ladies and gentlemen, show some respect

https://i.postimg.cc/GmbdP43Q/db8c51f694a9e7278dc58a7af3258636.jpg

[Baller789]

LeBron has won more than anyone in the modern era

Does he have the most Eastern Conference Trophies in the modern era?

Well your a Lebron stan so youll just ignore the question. Lol

[Manny98]

Does he have the most Eastern Conference Trophies in the modern era?

Well your a Lebron stan so youll just ignore the question. Lol
He has the most trophies period in the modern era babyboi :oldlol:

[Baller789]

He has the most trophies period in the modern era babyboi :oldlol:
Lebrontard: deflect as predicted

You make this so easy.

[Manny98]

Lebrontard: deflect as predicted

You make this so easy.

I just answered your question retard

[Baller789]

I just answered your question retard

Retard?

Does he have the most Eastern Conference trophies in the modern era?

It's a simple yes or no answer.

Are you too ashamed to answer? Lol

Lebrontard way better dodger than Floyd Mayweather.

[Manny98]

Retard?

Does he have the most Eastern Conference trophies in the modern era?

It's a simple yes or no answer.

Are you too ashamed to answer? Lol

Lebrontard way better dodger than Floyd Mayweather.

He does have the most, what's your point :lol

Why would I be ashamed of a player's dominance of a conference

[Baller789]

He does have the most, what's your point :lol

Why would I be ashamed of a player's dominance of a conference

Was his conference stronger than the West?

[Manny98]

Was his conference stronger than the West?
No, again what's your point?

LeBron literally won in his first healthy year out west anyway :oldlol:

There is literally nothing you can say that takes away from LeBrons greatness

[Baller789]

No, again what's your point?

LeBron literally won in his first healthy year out west anyway :oldlol:

Thats just one year. A bubble year at that.

Was the East slightly inferior to West at that time? Or was the gap bigger? Or was it historically lopsided?

[Manny98]

Thats just one year. A bubble year at that.

Was the East slightly inferior to West at that time? Or was the gap bigger? Or was it historically lopsided?
Who has the most championships in the modern era?

[Baller789]

Who has the most championships in the modern era?

I asked you a question Mr. Deflecto.

[Bronbron23]

Can you read? Lebron literally won more playoff series in 10 equal playoff runs :lol

And I even took away Michael Jordan's 3 whoopsie years :roll: Michael Jordan's problem was that he was not consistent. He didn't maintain greatness for a long period of time compared to other legends,that's just the facts.

Mj won more chips though in way less games andd series. Its not even close dude

[Bronbron23]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?

You dont know ball dude. Mj has more accolades and equel stats all while playing in a team system. This us why he's a better winner too. Team ball almost always always beats ball dominating systems.

[Manny98]

Mj won more chips though in way less games andd series. Its not even close dude
Most championships - Bill Russell
Most championships in the modern era - LeBron
Most playoff wins - LeBron

LeBron and Bill are the two greatest winners

[Baller789]

Most championships - Bill Russell
Most championships in the modern era - LeBron
Most playoff wins - LeBron

LeBron and Bill are the two greatest winners

Is there a trophy for the most playoff wins?
Is it every players goal?

[Manny98]

:rant
This dude is so mad right now :lol

[8Ball]

Most playoff wins is part of longevity which is part of greatness.

Yes it is every players goal to win as much as possible in playoffs.

This shouldn't be hard to understand.

[Baller789]

This dude is so mad right now :lol

Because?

Because you have nothing to counter the arguments presented?

Because you can't answer questions without deflecting and embarassing yourself?

Uh ok.

[8Ball]

This dude is so mad right now :lol

Yeah I love it. He is trying to pretend he hasn't been butt hurt. But we can tell he has been seething since last Sunday.

Keep making him eat his own shit.

[Baller789]

Most playoff wins is part of longevity which is part of greatness.

Yes it is every players goal to win as much as possible in playoffs.

This shouldn't be hard to understand.

Was it to win as many games?
Or was it to win as many championships?

[Manny98]

Because?

Because you have nothing to counter the arguments presented?

Because you can't answer questions without deflecting and embarassing yourself?

Uh ok.

Because I don't know what argument you're even trying to present, you're just spouting a bunch of nonsense

[8Ball]

Most championships - Bill Russell
Most championships in the modern era - LeBron
Most playoff wins - LeBron

LeBron and Bill are the two greatest winners

LeBron is actually won of the greatest winners of all time.

To be able to physically and mentally compete at the highest level for 17 years is a monumental feat.

Kareem did not have this peak longevity. There is no athlete that can maintain a high peak like this so long. Its utterly insane.

[8Ball]

Was it to win as many games?
Or was it to win as many championships?

The more games you win the more chances you have to make it to the finals and win championships.

Its impossible to separate the two.

[Baller789]

Because I don't know what argument you're even trying to present, you're just spouting a bunch of nonsense
So is every players goal is to win the most playoff games?
Or is it to win the most championships?

[Manny98]

So is every players goal is to win the most playoff games?
Or is it to win the most championships?
LeBron has won more championships than anyone in his era...

The playoff wins is the icing on the cake to his overall greatness

[Baller789]

LeBron has won more championships than anyone in his era...

The playoff wins is the icing on the cake to his overall greatness
Still deflecting...

[Manny98]

Still deflecting...

Not really.

LeBron is chasing the title of GOAT so accolades like most playoff wins and finals appearances only add to his resume

Again what is the overall point you are even trying to make, it seems like you're desperately looking for a reason to hate on LeBron but their is literally nothing you can say without looking like a complete moron

LeBron is cemented top 3 and arguable GOAT, nothing you say can change that

[Baller789]

Not really.

LeBron is chasing the title of GOAT so accolades like most playoff wins and finals appearances only add to his resume

Again what is the overall point you are even trying to make, it seems like you're desperately looking for a reason to hate on LeBron but their is literally nothing you can say without looking like a complete moron

LeBron is cemented top 3 and arguable GOAT, nothing you say can change that

Yes you are.

Because your putting more weight on playoff wins than actually winning the damn thing.

Again ATG greats are not proud of their runners up medals.

Only beta fanboys like you are.

[Manny98]

Yes you are.

Because your putting more weight on playoff wins than actually winning the damn thing.

Again ATG greats are not proud of their runners up medals.

Only beta fanboys like you are.

Ok?

So what is the actual point you are trying to make?

[Baller789]

Ok?

So what is the actual point you are trying to make?
Are you admitting that your putting more value to playoff wins than NBA championships?

Because you clearly are.

[Manny98]

Are you admitting that your putting more value to playoff wins than NBA championships?

Because you clearly are.
When did i say that? :lol

Obviously championships are way more valuable but you're ignorant if you believe having the most playoff wins is not an accomplishment itself as well

[8Ball]

Baller789 doesn't think most playoff wins is an accomplishment because Jordan was not able to do it :lol.

Jordan couldn't mentally go on anymore.

[Baller789]

When did i say that? :lol

Obviously championships are way more valuable but you're ignorant if you believe having the most playoff wins is not an accomplishment itself as well

It's an accomplishment dumbass but not at all impressive if you can't even win half of your championship matches.

Your putting Lebron alongside Russell then add in some arbritrary stats like most playoff wins, like that matters as much as Bill's 11 championships. You even put most won in the zone era, just to ignore other ATGs to fit your agenda. Lol.

[Manny98]

It's an accomplishment dumbass but not at all impressive if you can't even win half of your championship matches.

Your putting Lebron alongside Russell then add in some arbritrary stats like most playoff wins, like that matters as much as Bill's 11 championships. You even put most won in the zone era, just to ignore other ATGs to fit your agenda. Lol.

lol no matter how you try to spin it. Having the most playoff wins is a very impressive feat to most peoples eyes

out of curiosity where do you rank LeBron all time?

[Baller789]

lol no matter how you try to spin it. Having the most playoff wins is a very impressive feat to most peoples eyes

out of curiosity where do you rank LeBron all time?

Its impressive no doubt. But if pales in comparison to Bill's 11 championships.
I don't rank players 1-10.
I have tiers. Lebron is included in my top tier.

[Shooter]

Most championships - Bill Russell
Most playoff wins - LeBron
Most championships in the modern zone rule era - LeBron

Two greatest winners ever :applause:

Bingo

RIP Top 3 MJ

[Baller789]

Bingo

RIP Top 3 MJ
Don't forget most Eastern Conference Championships in the modern era.
We got this bois!

[Shooter]

Don't forget most Eastern Conference Championships in the modern era.
We got this bois!

LeBron has a better 1-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 2-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 3-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 4-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 5-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 6-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 7-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 9-year peak than anyone.
LeBron has a better 17-year peak than anyone.

You get the message

[And1AllDay]

no more anti 'longevity' for the mike fans lets just use the playoff stats for 10 best years of both. i took out mikes three 1st round whoopsies when daddy pippen and papa phil was not there to save him and boost him into 2nd round. this is comparing mikes 10 best years with brans. lets see if he wins anything more (mike doesnt)

stats for 10 best years

pts
bran, 5911
mike, 5632

ast
bran, 1510
mike, 959

reb
bran, 1611
mike, 1089

stls
bran, 362
mike, 352

blks
bran, 192
mike, 143

even if i erase mikes blemish whoopsies from his 1-9 and only take the 10 best playoff runs from both of them he still loses

its not longevity. its called goat consistency. its called advancing to finals gets you better stats.

10 finals > 6 finals

Guys?

[8Ball]

Don't forget most Eastern Conference Championships in the modern era.
We got this bois!

Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41%
2 assists per game
1.6 rebounds per game

Toughest player Jordan faced in the East in the 90s.

I am more afraid of Al Horford Hawks.

[Baller789]

Reggie Miller in 1998 ECF:

17.4 ppg on 41%
2 assists per game
1.6 rebounds per game

Toughest player Jordan faced in the East in the 90s.

I am more afraid of Al Horford Hawks.

Yep, facing Derozen and Roy Hibbert sure is scary.

[3ball]

Lebron isn't capable of the best strategy and brand of basketball (ball movement) that consistently wins against the best teams (Finals teams)

So he's nowhere near Jordan

The best basketball available is the ball movement juggernauts that the Spurs or Warriors had - lebron's skillset isn't capable of this brand - so he can't play the best brand and is therefore inferior to guys like Bird or Kobe.. let alone Jordan

[And1AllDay]

Yep, facing Derozen and Roy Hibbert sure is scary.

who said that was his best

otoh
John starks :roll:

[And1AllDay]

He did nothing more than LeBron. Not Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, Blocks, Finals, or Playoff series won. Be careful on rings, we all know Russell has 11 baby girl :lol

issa

wrap

:hammertime:

[3ball]

who said that was his best

otoh
John starks :roll:

Ewing and Shaq > hibbert

Penny or Hill > derozan

So MJ faced far greater comp

[3ball]

issa

wrap

:hammertime:

Jordan did more per game

That's why his stats are much better, aka BPM, PER, etc

[And1AllDay]

Ewing and Shaq > hibbert

Penny or Hill > derozan

So MJ faced far greater comp

kg > all of them
mvp rose > all of them
goerge paul > reggie miller
vince carter > all of them

we done? :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Jordan did more per game

That's why his stats are much better, aka BPM, PER, etc

he did LESS becos he was stat padding in 1st round and losing

:roll:

2ez

[Baller789]

who said that was his best

otoh
John starks :roll:

Starks isnt laughable because he had Ewing, Oakley, Mason and Harper.

[Baller789]

he did LESS becos he was stat padding in 1st round and losing

:roll:

2ez
You mean your measly 1-9 narrative that got wrecked in the other thread?

[3ball]

kg > all of them
mvp rose > all of them
goerge paul > reggie miller
vince carter > all of them

we done? :oldlol:

KG was 36 when lebron beat him and averaged 9 ppg

Lebron has no case

The 89' Cavs > any team lebron beat in the East

So the 88' or 89' Bulls would've won the 07' East, 09' East, and 11-20' East

[Shooter]

If you take out MJ's three worst years due to him not having Pippen and getting three 1st round sweeps that might level the playing field right? All the MJ stans cry about longevity because LeBron made more playoffs and had a longer career because MJ retired 3 times like a moron. Okay, so let's erase MJ's three worst playoff years and only take his top 10 best. How does it stack up against Lebron's 10 best?

Again, we are eliminating longevity from the conversation. We are equally comparing 10 years vs 10 years, AND we are eliminating MJ's 3 worst years. It still ends up that LeBron has more Points, Rebounds, Assists, Steals, and Blocks during EQUAL 10 years and even taking away MJ's 3 worst years where Daddy Pippen wasn't there to save him.

The crazy part is that it never was "longevity even when cowards cried that it was. It all comes down to consistently winning and MJ did not win as consistently as LeBron did.

Finals Made
LeBron = 10
Jordan = 6

Playoff series won
LeBron = 34 (37 in his career, 34 in 10 years)
Jordan = 30 (30 in his career)

Can we understand why LeBron has done more? He won more playoff series. He made more Finals. Even if we disregard MJ's 1-9 Pippenless years. LeBron still reigns supreme. Is this not the ultimate ether?

Anyone?

[8Ball]

MJ has zero arguments over longevity and peak its slightly LeBron.

[Baller789]

MJ has zero arguments over longevity and peak its slightly LeBron.

So how many assist titles does Lebron have gayball?

[tanibanana]

...context plays a huge part in analyzing things. You dont judge things just how they are presented. You check the story behind.

Winning more is not necessarily means better or greater.

WINNER Group:
Tom Sanders - 8 Rings
Frank Ramsey - 7 Rings
Jim Loscutoff - 7 Rings
Robert Horry - 7 Rings
Michael Cooper - 5 Rings
Steve Kerr - 5 Rings
Slater Martin - 5 Rings
Don Nelson - 5 Rings
Jim Pollard - 5 Rings
Larry Siegfried - 5 Rings
Ron Harper - 5 Rings
Derek Fisher - 5 Rings

LOSER Group:
Karl Malone - 0 Ring
Elgin Baylor - 0 Ring
Tracy McGrady - 0 Ring
Steve Nash - 0 Ring
Dikembe Mutombo - 0 Ring
Lenny Wilkens - 0 Ring
Carmelo Anthony - 0 Ring
Chris Webber - 0 Ring
LaMarcus Aldridge - 0 Ring
Alex English - 0 Ring
Patrick Ewing - 0 Ring
Reggie Miller - 0 Ring
John Stockton - 0 Ring
Charles Barkley - 0 Ring
Chris Paul - 0 Ring
Dominque Wilkins - 0 Ring
Jack Sikma - 0 Ring
Russell Westbrook - 0 Ring