Magic predicts the 89' Cavs are the "team of the 90's" (for reference purposes)

[3ball]

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Magic declares the 89' Cavs the "team of the 90's"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6MLqGXughQM&t=02m29s


Cavs player says they were stacked and going to win title, but MJ intervened:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7xidL9u3iU&t=05m32s


ESPN saying the Cavs had enough talent to contend in any conference, in any era:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jK6a9kMg7pU&t=08m35s


Broadcaster saying the Cavs were championship contenders:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I7xidL9u3iU&t=0m20s


Carry on the fraud tho

The 89' Cavs had the #1 SRS, #2 defense, +800 preseason odds and a big 4 (3 all-stars + 20/5/5 Ron Harper).

^^^ That's a better team than lebron ever beat in the East - none of the opponents he beat were that high in all 4 categories, or even 2 (SRS, defense, preseason odds, all-stars).

Conclusion: the 88' and 89' Bulls would beat the 07' Pistons (#6 SRS) and 09' Magic (#4 SRS), since they already beat a #1 SRS "big 4" in 89'
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[Trollsmasher]

cavs:roll:

[8Ball]

The 1950 Toyota Spam bot is at it again malfunctioning after I dumpster him with this in another thread after he posted same post:


Since 3ball is in love with 89 Cavs SRS.

The 2018 Raptors had had higher SRS than:

1995 Orlando Magic
90 Pistons
89 Pistons
88 Pistons
87 Celtics
85 Milwaukee

LeBron would have swept all those teams like he swept the Raptors.

[LonelyOwl]

2018 Raptors > 89 Cavs

Also the 2015 Hawks with 4 all stars were better than those Cavs

So just off the top of my head I named 2 teams LeBron best that were better than those Cavs

[FKAri]

Truly a prophet.

The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 20, 2015

I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 10, 2015

For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. #MenCare
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 20, 2011

If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 27, 2011

[SouBeachTalents]

Truly a prophet.

The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 20, 2015

I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 10, 2015

For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. #MenCare
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 20, 2011

If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 27, 2011
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Jordanesque

[MadDog]

Making the finals in 2007 is another overrated "feat" in LeBron's resume. The minute he faced tough competition like the 09 Magic or 10 Celtics, his teams were eliminated (with HCA :oldlol:), and he hauled ass to join other stars. Without recycling teams, and pairing up with LOADED talent, LeBron has HALF the titles and would be seen more like Garnett, Barkley, Malone etc. Obviously great, but nowhere what teamhopping has awarded him.

[And1AllDay]

cavs:roll:

cavs :oldlol:

[LonelyOwl]

cavs:roll:

Dude is hyping up the Cavs like they were the 2016 Warriors :lol

[8Ball]

He found a new stat called SRS and the Cavs had a high SRS that year.

Little does he know Cavs 89 SRS is higher than the so called tough 98 Pacers that he loves to hype up.

The 3bot going back to his spreadsheets for another copy paste :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ stans are forced to hype the Price/Daughtery/Nance Cavs as the "great" comp MJ beat, with the 89' Cavs being the attempt to be MJ's "16' Warriors. Sad on so many levels. :lol

[Xiao Yao You]

Daugherty's career ending early didn't help

[tpols]

:roll:

Jordanesque

To be fair, I imagine Magic has made 1000s of comments over the years... you expect him to be right on all of them?

Elite bettors only win 60% of the time.

[Roundball_Rock]

Daugherty's career ending early didn't help

That had a 6 year run with the Price/Daughery/Nance core and won 3 total playoff series, clearing 55+ wins twice and 50+ thrice. They were what they were. A good but not great team.

[3ball]

Truly a prophet.

The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 20, 2015

I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 10, 2015

For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. #MenCare
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 20, 2011

If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 27, 2011

it wasn't just Magic that said the Cavs were great - the OP lists numerous other sources like ESPN, who said the Cavs had enough talent to contend in any conference, any era.. see the OP for video

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan stans: "The Cavs were stacked because they had Price, Daughtery, Nance!"
Jordan stans: "The Bulls were not stacked! MJ had no help! Pippen, Rodman, and Grant were bums!"

The Bulls w/out MJ=55 wins (59 win pace when Pippen was healthy)
The Cavs w/out Price=24 win pace (66 games in 91')

Yet the Cavs are the stacked team. :roll:

[pandiani17]

That had a 6 year run with the Price/Daughery/Nance core and won 3 total playoff series, clearing 55+ wins twice and 50+ thrice. They were what they were. A good but not great team.

Agree. They would be the equivalent of the 10s Chicago Bulls, good Regular Season team that won lost of games in the regular season but didn't make that far in the play-offs. Also, OP, can you stop making all kind of stupid threads to bash LeBron and boost MJ? It's getting annoying at this point, you've been like this for 10 days. Let's talk about the draft, trades, coaching changes or whatever, but please, forget LeBron and MJ, there's more to NBA basketball than that.

[Roundball_Rock]

Agree. They would be the equivalent of the 10s Chicago Bulls, good Regular Season team that won lost of games in the regular season but didn't make that far in the play-offs.

Good call. You can apply the same logic to any era. The Bulls had several all-stars too during that 2011-2015 time frame in Rose, Noah, Deng, Butler, Gasol. Boozer and Korver were not all-stars in Chicago but were all-stars shortly before or after Chicago. The Bulls had a MVP and four all-NBA players. This is more talent than the Cavs had in absolute terms (Bulls in a more stacked era of course) yet the same people hyping the Cavs will call the Bulls a tomato can team emblematic of the "weak East."

I would say the 2011-2015 Bulls>the Cavs. The Bulls had the best record in the NBA twice before the Rose tragedy. Even after that, the Bulls won 45 and 48 games without Rose (as noted, the Cavs were trash without Price--a 24 win pace team over 66 games) and then nearly were up 3-1 on the Cavs in the ECSF in 15'.

The Bulls had a higher peak, much higher floor, more talent, and were more consistent. Yet they are "weak" and the Cavs "great"? :confusedshrug:

[8Ball]

Agree. They would be the equivalent of the 10s Chicago Bulls, good Regular Season team that won lost of games in the regular season but didn't make that far in the play-offs. Also, OP, can you stop making all kind of stupid threads to bash LeBron and boost MJ? It's getting annoying at this point, you've been like this for 10 days. Let's talk about the draft, trades, coaching changes or whatever, but please, forget LeBron and MJ, there's more to NBA basketball than that.

He has been at it for 10 years now across multiple forums.

[And1AllDay]

Truly a prophet.

The Bucks just acquired the next Jason Kidd in Michael Carter-Williams.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) February 20, 2015

I love Okafor because he's won a state championship in HS, NCAA Title at Duke and he can bring that championship pedigree to the Lakers.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) June 10, 2015

For all of you out there questioning Jimmer Fredette of BYU, he is the real deal. #MenCare
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 20, 2011

If Brandon Knight were to come out, I would take him number 1 in the draft.
— Earvin Magic Johnson (@MagicJohnson) March 27, 2011


gottem :oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

Op getting bamboozled AGAIN

[Xiao Yao You]

That had a 6 year run with the Price/Daughery/Nance core and won 3 total playoff series, clearing 55+ wins twice and 50+ thrice. They were what they were. A good but not great team.

Could have said the same about Utah but the best was to come

[dankok8]

That Cavs team was really good and I can see why Magic thought that... People should really do some research on these players like Price, Daugherty, Nance and Ehlo before spewing crap.

[Roundball_Rock]

Could have said the same about Utah but the best was to come

Utah made WCF's in 92', 94', 96' and the finals in 97', 98'. Cavs won 3 series total.


at... People should really do some research on these players like Price, Daugherty, Nance and Ehlo before spewing crap.

None of them are HOF. Price was an all-NBA player 4x (first team once). Daughtery was a perennial all-star but all-NBA once. Nance was an occasional all-star. Ehlo a good starter. Not the 2017 Warriors as MJ fans paint them as.

It is amazing how MJ fans hype every 90's player as awesome except MJ's teammates, who are HOF unlike these Cavs guys. If Price played with MJ, all the same people would be saying he was a bum. :oldlol: You want to talk "variable" performance? Look up what Price, Daughtery did in the playoffs.

[GrayGoat]

Utah made WCF's in 92', 94', 96' and the finals in 97', 98'. Cavs won 3 series total.



None of them are HOF. Price was an all-NBA player 4x (first team once). Daughtery was a perennial all-star but all-NBA once. Nance was an occasional all-star. Ehlo a good starter. Not the 2017 Warriors as MJ fans paint them as.

It is amazing how MJ fans hype every 90's player as awesome except MJ's teammates, who are HOF unlike these Cavs guys. If Price played with MJ, all the same people would be saying he was a bum. :oldlol: You want to talk "variable" performance? Look up what Price, Daughtery did in the playoffs.

Bingo well said. There were no scrubs in the 90’s except Pippen of course

[Roundball_Rock]

Bingo well said. There were no scrubs in the 90’s except Pippen of course

Yup. :roll: You know what is the funniest thing about it? They don't have a solitary word of criticism of any of these other 90's players. If these guys were flawless they would be top 10 all-time players. :oldlol: Only MJ's teammates had any flaws, apparently.

[Xiao Yao You]

Utah made WCF's in 92', 94', 96' and the finals in 97', 98'. Cavs won 3 series total.



None of them are HOF. Price was an all-NBA player 4x (first team once). Daughtery was a perennial all-star but all-NBA once. Nance was an occasional all-star. Ehlo a good starter. Not the 2017 Warriors as MJ fans paint them as.

It is amazing how MJ fans hype every 90's player as awesome except MJ's teammates, who are HOF unlike these Cavs guys. If Price played with MJ, all the same people would be saying he was a bum. :oldlol: You want to talk "variable" performance? Look up what Price, Daughtery did in the playoffs.

Harper, Hot Rod Williams. They had a lot of talent

[NBAGOAT]

wasnt a bad prediction but then they made the harper trade

[Roundball_Rock]

Harper, Hot Rod Williams. They had a lot of talent

Sure--but they underachieved. They won 57, 42, 33, 57, 54, 47 during that run and won a total of 3 playoff series (ECF in 92', made ECSF in 93'). It is inexplicable Miller/Smits/Jackson made 5 ECF's while Price/Daughtery/Nance made only 1 but it happened.

The 15' Bulls had Butler, Gasol, Rose, Noah (4 all-NBA players, not 2, during their careers) and the same people hyping the Cavs will call the Bulls "weak comp."

The Clippers has Paul, Griffin when both were elite players. Jordan was all-NBA, they also had guys like Crawford. They never got past the second round. Teams on paper aren't always as good on the court.

[3ball]

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Pippen vs Reggie Lewis as #1 options in the playoffs


Playoffs

92' LEWIS..... 28/4/4.. 57.0 ts.. 23.8 PER.. 0.177 ws.. 4.1 dbpm.. 2.6 obpm.. 6.8 bpm.. 0.9 vorp
94' PIPPEN... 23/8/5.. 52.1 ts.. 22.8 PER.. 0.149 ws.. 4.0 dbpm.. 1.6 obpm.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.7 vorp


^^^ this is why I always say everyone was better than Pippen - everyone simply played much better than him!!.. aka everyone's playoff peak was much better... aka Derrick Coleman, Reggie Lewis, KJ, and Chris Mullin, to name a few




Bingo well said. There were no scrubs in the 90’s except Pippen of course

Keep in mind that Barkley was added to a 55-win team that made numerous conference finals.. Jordan's cast was worse than that and didn't have homecourt... So MJ had to average 41/9/6 to overcome this in an 89 pace series (:eek:)

Btw, drugs robbed Jordan's era of 3 HOF wings - Len Bias, Reggie Lewis (above), and Richard Dumas (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzIKvx9gmk&t=07m39s)

[Roundball_Rock]

Keep in mind that Barkley was added to a 55-win team

This is deceptive. The Suns had to give up their leading scorer (an all-star) and a total of 3 starters to acquire Barkley straight up. He didn't join that 53 (yes, he lied about that too) win team intact as 1-9ball and some others want you to think. :lol

1992 Suns' top 6 players: Hornacek, Johnson, Majerle, Perry, Chambers, Lang
1993 Suns' top 6 players: Majerle, Barkley, Johnson, Dumas, Ainge, Chambers

As you can see, the only constants were Johnson and Majerle. That isn't surprising. They traded away 3 of their 5 starters.

[LAmbruh]

The future of the 90's :roll: :roll:


https://tomclevelandtest.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/mark-price-cavs-coach.jpg

[3ball]

This is deceptive. The Suns had to give up their leading scorer (an all-star) and a total of 3 starters to acquire Barkley straight up. He didn't join that 53 (yes, he lied about that too) win team intact as 1-9ball and some others want you to think. :lol

1992 Suns' top 6 players: Hornacek, Johnson, Majerle, Perry, Chambers, Lang
1993 Suns' top 6 players: Majerle, Barkley, Johnson, Dumas, Ainge, Chambers

As you can see, the only constants were Johnson and Majerle. That isn't surprising. They traded away 3 of their 5 starters.

Everyone knew the Suns were more stacked than the bulls ever were (Barkley was added to a perennial 55-win conference finals team), so MJ beat them without home court and Pippen playing worse than 14' Wade

[Roundball_Rock]

Bulls without Jordan in 94': 55-27, 59 win pace with healthy Pippen
Cavs without Price in 91': 24 win pace (66 games)

We are only having this conversation because 1-9ball and his buddies like in bizarro world.

[3ball]

Bulls without Jordan in 94': 55-27, 59 win pace with healthy Pippen
Cavs without Price in 91': 24 win pace (66 games)

We are only having this conversation because 1-9ball and his buddies like in bizarro world.

Teams always fall off without ball-dominators like price, lebron, or cp3 and nash's teams in 12' and 13'

Basketball 101.. you make a big deal out of ... Nothing... Because you don't understand the game..

So again, Teams always fall off without ball-dominators like price, lebron, or cp3 and nash's teams in 12' and 13'

That's one of the reasons that price could never beat Jordan despite far greater help... Jordan's brand was superior to any ball-dominator.. that's why he couldn't beat bird's more talented team, but beat price's

[8Ball]

The future of the 90's :roll: :roll:


https://tomclevelandtest.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/mark-price-cavs-coach.jpg

Dear God. The future of the east was led by someone worst than Al Horford? :lol

[3ball]

Dear God. Is this guy even as good as Al Horford? :lol

He'd be perennial all-nba in today's game and probably have a curry-like dynasty - the videos in the OP show how good he was.. you guys are the biggest fools in the world for acting like he wasn't good or something.. complete buffoons

[Roundball_Rock]

Price was really good (hence why they became a 24 win pace team without him). I'd say a Steve Nash-lite player. He just wasn't as good as MJ stans want to present him as simply because he played against, not with, MJ and his teams underachieved.

[8Ball]

The point guards today would tear that 6 foot un athletic white meat up.

[3ball]

I should make another thread about Jordan upsetting Ewing's favored Knicks in the series right AFTER the Cavs' upset

89' Ewing was a big favorite and had three guys match or exceed pippen in the series (that isn't saying much though because pippen was a 13 ppg player in 89')

But MJ went bananas and ran through Ewing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1NdwGRY3xwo

[Roundball_Rock]

MJ stans always talk about PPG. Price's career high was 19.6. For his prime (1989-1994) it was 18.2. He was never top 20 in scoring in any season. In the playoffs during his prime he was: 16, 20, 19, 13, and 15.

Why aren't MJ fans criticizing his scoring?

[3ball]

MJ stans always talk about PPG. Price's career high was 19.6. For his prime (1989-1994) it was 18.2. He was never top 20 in scoring in any season. In the playoffs during his prime he was: 16, 20, 19, 13, and 15.

Why aren't MJ fans criticizing his scoring?
Price was a far superior ball-dominator that could carry an offense/team, while providing elite spacing for the era.

Pippen is nowhere near the floor general


89-94' Price (6 seasons)

18.2/2.9/8.2.... 21.8 PER... 0.194 WS/48... elite 3's

^^^ comparable to pippen's best.. as usual, we discover that a great many players were equal or greater than pippen

It's funny because people have said pippen was optimal for Jordan, but how can a bricklayer and lane-closer like Pippen be a better fit than a GOOD shooter that otherwise does the same things?

[light]

That's Magic throwing shade at his rivals.

The Cavs weren't going anywhere.

[JBSptfn]

wasnt a bad prediction but then they made the harper trade

Exactly. Harper was awesome before he got hurt. Also, people forget that they drafted KJ. If Harper stays healthy, and KJ plays well for Cleveland, the Cavs should have gotten to at least a final or two with the rest of that supporting cast.

[Round Mound]

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Pippen vs Reggie Lewis as #1 options in the playoffs


Playoffs

92' LEWIS..... 28/4/4.. 57.0 ts.. 23.8 PER.. 0.177 ws.. 4.1 dbpm.. 2.6 obpm.. 6.8 bpm.. 0.9 vorp
94' PIPPEN... 23/8/5.. 52.1 ts.. 22.8 PER.. 0.149 ws.. 4.0 dbpm.. 1.6 obpm.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.7 vorp


^^^ this is why I always say everyone was better than Pippen - everyone simply played much better than him!!.. aka everyone's playoff peak was much better... aka Derrick Coleman, Reggie Lewis, KJ, and Chris Mullin, to name a few





Keep in mind that Barkley was added to a 55-win team that made numerous conference finals.. Jordan's cast was worse than that and didn't have homecourt... So MJ had to average 41/9/6 to overcome this in an 89 pace series (:eek:)

Btw, drugs robbed Jordan's era of 3 HOF wings - Len Bias, Reggie Lewis (above), and Richard Dumas (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzIKvx9gmk&t=07m39s)

The Suns had a great offensive team but they didn't have 2 other than Jordan All- NBA Defensive Teamers (In Pippen and Grant). And in the case of Pippen: The Greatest Defensive SF Ever.