Know what you're voting for

[ZenMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6dEMQ624wM&ab_channel=GOPWarRoom

[ZenMaster]

To many Americans, Hunter’s wheeling and dealing in China might look like another example of the powerful exploiting access — just like, well, Hunter in Ukraine. But this Xianchai is more sinister: It’s the apotheosis of the corrupt bond between US elites and China’s brutal regime.

Hunter is a winner in a globalist system that saw America hand to China its industrial base, good jobs, intellectual property and global standing in exchange for market access and flattery. China, Wall Street and the Bidens profited.

His son’s profiteering aside, Joe Biden defends this system — and has since meeting Deng Xiaoping in 1979, when he joined the first US congressional delegation to the People’s Republic.

As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in the early 2000s and then as veep, Biden helped along China’s geopolitical rise. Bernie Sanders is thus right to criticize Biden for supporting the grant of Permanent Normal Trade Relations status to China in 2000.

A decade later, Biden *said: “A rising China is a … positive *development not only for China, but for America.” Tell that to the 1 million Uighurs in Chinese concentration camps. Tell it to Asian democracies menaced by Beijing’s bullying. Tell it to the American factory workers who lost good jobs while Hunter got $80,000 a month for his princeling sinecure.

Oh, and what did Biden do about the growing Chinese-fueled fentanyl crisis while “overseeing the China portfolio,” as he says he did in the *Obama administration? Nada.

What Biden did do was to contribute mightily to Team *Obama’s record of appeasement and failure to counter Chinese aggression from cyber-hacking to island-building.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/12/why-china-is-rooting-for-joe-biden-to-win-2020-presidential-race/

[CelticBaller]

Desperation

[Luka Doncic]

We already know he's in it for himself and he doesn't even care about his family. He's using them to funnel money due to his high position.

[ZenMaster]

Desperation

You're right, I think it's crazy that anyone is considering voting for a man who has this attitude towards the CCP, absolutely bonkers.

Do you agree with him? Is China expanding into the world a good thing and should they be more involved in the US? You feel like opening the door?

[Luka Doncic]

i;ve noticed an huge increase of maga fgts getting anxious and agitated as the election gets near. it's ok guys, when trump loses you won't have to do mental gymnastics to defend his lies.

You're a dum-dum though.

Didn't you say you were starting a business or have a business with employees?

You would be an idiot and you are, to even consider voting Democrat.

[ZenMaster]

meltdown

Do you agree with Joe? Is China expanding into the world a good thing and should they be more involved in the US?

[CelticBaller]

You're right, I think it's crazy that anyone is considering voting for a man who has this attitude towards the CCP, absolutely bonkers.

Do you agree with him? Is China expanding into the world a good thing and should they be more involved in the US? You feel like opening the door?

The China scare is ridiculous and your boy trump knows it

[falc39]

To add some context on this topic: Trump’s trade war was an absolute disaster no matter how you want to look at it. It was one of the biggest mistakes in his term.

[RRR3]

I voted green and I’m very happy with my vote.

[Patrick Chewing]

A vote for Biden is a vote for people like RRR3 to have a voice and poison our societies with their pro-Communism ideas that devour the principles that made this country great in the first place. We must keep people like RRR3 away from our children. Not only will they pollute the minds of youths with devilish lies and false promises, but people that look like RRR3 are generally pedo perverts that like to touch little boys and girls.

[rawimpact]

I voted green and I’m very happy with my vote.

When you're in your 30s and still live with your parents, you really don't have a say.

[Patrick Chewing]

When you're in your 30s and still live with your parents, you really don't have a say.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3owzW9EZI8M3sz9s5O/giphy.gif

[dn41]

i;ve noticed an huge increase of maga fgts getting anxious and agitated as the election gets near. it's ok guys, when trump loses you won't have to do mental gymnastics to defend his lies.

It's like the last days in the bunker :lol

[Luka Doncic]

When you're in your 30s and still live with your parents, you really don't have a say.

He's trying to move out and waiting for that 2nd round of stimulus to do so.

[rawimpact]

He's trying to move out and waiting for that 2nd round of stimulus to do so.

Honestly, paying rent is even worse... hopefully with all that time nesting under his parents he's saved for the purchase of a home with rates being the 2's.

[ZenMaster]

well trump seems to have no problem doing business with them, so why is it a problem when Joe does it?

maga fgts and their blinders :facepalm

So you agree that China should be an ally of the US and that they're good for the rest of the world? It's OK, you can come out as a full fledged globalist.

I know they're trying to trick you with that article about Trump selling a penthouse there and what you're supposed to think.
"Put $15.8 million in Trumps pocket", like he didn't have any initial investment himself and cost on the building.

There's quite the difference in "business" as you describe it:

Penthouse sold, something physical, which required an initial investment to be acquired by the owner.

Tell me what Trump has done for China that relates to him selling an apartment for $15.8 million? What corruption is it that you're worried about? I'd look at it seriously if you have anything that indicates he's working together with the CCP to undermine the American public.

Joe got a $75 million dollar stake in an investment company, and his whole family and business partners $750 million stake. As in, the Chinese put up all the money but gave half the company to the Biden family.
They were buying access into America and I promise you a TON of other politicians have gotten rich the same way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqeO0ODwYCA&ab_channel=NewsNOWfromFOX

[bladefd]

i;ve noticed an huge increase of maga fgts getting anxious and agitated as the election gets near. it's ok guys, when trump loses you won't have to do mental gymnastics to defend his lies.

They are making so many threads daily, hoping and praying that somehow they can convince everyone to vote for Trump instead. My vote is already in since like Monday as is 52mill others (I'm sure it's many more but many states like NY don't report the numbers in real time).

[bladefd]

So you agree that China should be an ally of the US and that they're good for the rest of the world? It's OK, you can come out as a full fledged globalist.

I know they're trying to trick you with that article about Trump selling a penthouse there and what you're supposed to think.
"Put $15.8 million in Trumps pocket", like he didn't have any initial investment himself and cost on the building.

There's quite the difference in "business" as you describe it:

Penthouse sold, something physical, which required an initial investment to be acquired by the owner.

Tell me what Trump has done for China that relates to him selling an apartment for $15.8 million? What corruption is it that you're worried about? I'd look at it seriously if you have anything that indicates he's working together with the CCP to undermine the American public.

Joe got a $75 million dollar stake in an investment company, and his whole family and business partners $750 million stake. As in, the Chinese put up all the money but gave half the company to the Biden family.
They were buying access into America and I promise you a TON of other politicians have gotten rich the same way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqeO0ODwYCA&ab_channel=NewsNOWfromFOX

Including Trump too right? Or is his family pristine??

[Luka Doncic]

They are making so many threads daily, hoping and praying that somehow they can convince everyone to vote for Trump instead. My vote is already in since like Monday as is 52mill others (I'm sure it's many more but many states like NY don't report the numbers in real time).

Your stocks will tank or whatever little you invested. I just pulled half of my 300k out.

Embrace the major dump if Biden wins. Remember you got into stock investing because of Trump and his market is why people got into trading. With Biden you will be picking penny stocks and go back to trading basketball cards. LOL

[Patrick Chewing]

Including Trump too right? Or is his family pristine??

"Wahh Wahh Wahhhhh but what about Trump??"

:cry:

[ZenMaster]

Including Trump too right? Or is his family pristine??

You make this comment, but show something, anything that shows Trump getting rich off of being President. All reports out are that the value of his companies have lost around IIRC $600 million since he was elected and dropped 140some places on the Forbes 500.
Who's paying him billions on the side that we don't know about?
What is he giving them?

[ZenMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe1YcC6S38&ab_channel=BlazeTV

[CelticBaller]

i;ve noticed an huge increase of maga fgts getting anxious and agitated as the election gets near. it's ok guys, when trump loses you won't have to do mental gymnastics to defend his lies.
For real lmao

Maybe they should donate to the Trump campaign instead of posting this shit in a message board. I heard they needed the money :lol

[Mr. Woke]

I already voted for Joe.

Trump failed to earn my vote.

[RRR3]

When you're in your 30s and still live with your parents, you really don't have a say.
I’m not in my thirties you ****ing retard

[Luka Doncic]

I’m not in my thirties you ****ing retard

With looks like that doesn't matter what your age is.

[RRR3]

With looks like that doesn't matter what your age is.
You’re morbidly obese with a cleft lip and cross eyes and I wouldn’t talk.

[Luka Doncic]

You’re morbidly obese with a cleft lip and cross eyes and I wouldn’t talk.

https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/523/754/1600/movietickets4.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

https://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/523/754/1600/movietickets4.jpg

https://media0.giphy.com/media/gjaDUH3UfNnZn2stvY/giphy.gif

[ZenMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2XOOESpZg0&ab_channel=TheOffice

[CelticBaller]

I’m not in my thirties you ****ing retard

but you still live with your parents? bruh

[CelticBaller]

So you agree that China should be an ally of the US and that they're good for the rest of the world? It's OK, you can come out as a full fledged globalist.

I know they're trying to trick you with that article about Trump selling a penthouse there and what you're supposed to think.
"Put $15.8 million in Trumps pocket", like he didn't have any initial investment himself and cost on the building.

There's quite the difference in "business" as you describe it:

Penthouse sold, something physical, which required an initial investment to be acquired by the owner.

Tell me what Trump has done for China that relates to him selling an apartment for $15.8 million? What corruption is it that you're worried about? I'd look at it seriously if you have anything that indicates he's working together with the CCP to undermine the American public.

Joe got a $75 million dollar stake in an investment company, and his whole family and business partners $750 million stake. As in, the Chinese put up all the money but gave half the company to the Biden family.
They were buying access into America and I promise you a TON of other politicians have gotten rich the same way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqeO0ODwYCA&ab_channel=NewsNOWfromFOX

Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

[RRR3]

but you still live with your parents? bruh
Only for another month (moving into an apartment) and it’s not like I’ve been living with them continuously since high school. Plot twist: it’s hard for people my age to buy their own place in this retarded economic system and lots of us have had to move back in with our parents to save money and avoid homelessness.

[Luka Doncic]

Only for another month (moving into an apartment) and it’s not like I’ve been living with them continuously since high school. Plot twist: it’s hard for people my age to buy their own place in this retarded economic system and lots of us have had to move back in with our parents to save money and avoid homelessness.

So you lived with your parents just to save money for an apartment? That apartment money will run out bro.

Here I thought you were actually saving and have money for a down payment on a home.

I know types like you.

[SATAN]

This Doncic alt (right) is annoying as ****.

[SATAN]

We already know he's in it for himself and he doesn't even care about his family. He's using them to funnel money due to his high position.

The irony here is mind blowing. Alt right retards. :facepalm

[ZenMaster]

Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-joe-biden-unanswered-questions

The emails don't show, but the guy is standing right there and saying that he was aware of Joe's involvement. What is it you think they were selling, Hunter's impeccable mind for high level investment?

They're not dumbasses, you're not going to see a direct transaction to Joe, the business deals goes through the family.

Hence the email that had "10 held by H for the big guy?"

Hunter, James, Beau, Jill, those are the bank accounts and company ownerships that needs to be connected to it all - the whole family are multi millionaires or close to it based on deals in the same places where Joe was always doing poor at policy. Go look at the video first posted in the thread and try and see through the double speak vail, Joe is excited about his new business partners and part of his act is to try and pass it of on Americans.
Who agrees with the statement that a rising China is a positive thing for the world, and US should be partners?

In the same way, Joe can't just offer a rational explanation as to how his son did Burisma business without getting angry and pointing to bi-partisan senate committees where they only looked at the conduct of Hunter and Burisma in a singular silo - and a bunch of people lied, including some Republicans who also received money from Burisma and should never be elected again.
It's a common strategy of politicians to refer to statements made by other official institutions, the problem is that those institutions are corrupt and set up to fail.

But now, most of what was before theorized, is confirmed by the personal emails, and the players own words in text messages, as well as witnesses(if it's all real that is, but no one is really saying that they aren't). There's Hunter complaining about having to give half of everything to his father. There's a mention of 10% for the big guy held by his son. There's a witness confirming that Joe is the big guy referred to in the emails. There are job descriptions with scope of work of gathering law makers to end prosecution of an Ukrainian oligarch. There's Joe on video bragging about getting rid of the prosecutor who was on the ass of said oligarch.

It's all there and public.

[RRR3]

So you lived with your parents just to save money for an apartment? That apartment money will run out bro.

Here I thought you were actually saving and have money for a down payment on a home.

I know types like you.
Do you know how much it takes to buy a house?

[bladefd]

You make this comment, but show something, anything that shows Trump getting rich off of being President. All reports out are that the value of his companies have lost around IIRC $600 million since he was elected and dropped 140some places on the Forbes 500.
Who's paying him billions on the side that we don't know about?
What is he giving them?

You are a broken record player, aren't you?

-Trump has not put his businesses in blind trust (or whatever it is called). Every other previous president has done it if they had investments or business. Trump is the first guy who has refused to and won't even show his tax returns to show who he owes money to. Every single president up to Trump has released theirs. Trump obviously has something to hide, and chances are it's something concerning a foreign country or something nefarious.
-Trump was also trying to get Trump Towers built in Moscow leading up to the 2016 election and lying about it. The "adoptions" meeting with the Russian lawyer/agent was nothing to do with adoptions - Cohen said under oath that Trump knew all about it (Trump lied saying he didn't).
-Trump properties have gotten extra business in foreign countries ever since he won the presidency - he doesn't take a salary but think about the hundreds of millions he has gained from extra business thanks to being the president. Even our national American politicians often stay at Trump properties as extra business (it's not their personal money but rather tax money btw) to enrich our president. Trump organization is still doing business in foreign countries with Trump technically still as the head.
-Jared Kushner, who we can consider Trump's family, is getting extra business through his connections to the White House.
-Trump also travels weekly to his properties/golf clubs as president of United States - don't you think that benefits him greatly, especially if he is raising memberships fees/overnight fee charges/etc on his properties his posse stays on? Trump hotels/properties are also charging millions and millions of dollars to the US government to travel/stay at his properties & raised fees since he became President means he profits/cashes out from tax money - that's OUR tax money at work being funneled into Trump businesses.
-Pro-Trump lobbyists of course get favorable treatment not just for taxcut purposes but also when staying at his properties. The tax cuts helped out not just his companies but his friends, relatives, his donors and his lobbyists. How do you think Betsy Devos got her position while not holding any credentials in the education sector she oversees?? Oh yeah, Devos family is huge Trump donors..
-People+friends of Trump who worked in Trump administration/campaign received massive deals (wink wink) for (wink wink) consulting with President Trump. How do you think that happened?? And those massive tax cuts.. Are you telling me tax cuts he had a big hand in or trade deals didn't help him, his billionaire buddies and family??

Trump organization has brought in billions of dollars.. He has different streams of revenue, and he has generated over $2bill of revenue in 2017-19 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/11/trumps-businesses-raked-in-19-billion-of-revenue-during-his-first-three-years-in-office/#2768dfa71e13) through his Trump organization that we are privy too (almost $500mill in profits). I'm sure he owns foreign companies that he has profited from but we will probably not know. His personal taxes won't show how much his foreign companies make because he doesn't have to report the revenue/profits to companies located off American soil (not like he will ever even release his American taxes).


You have nothing. Come back in 2024 when you have a candidate to back who is less corrupt than Trump.

[ZenMaster]

You are a broken record player, aren't you?


I already responded to that, but you left the conversation then like you always do.

I'm not talking about Trump vs Biden, but politicians in general - maybe you read where I said that other politicians than Joe Biden was in on Burisma as well, which is why they're covering for each other. Biden is just the first domino, because he's the one with the leaked emails which provides proof of all of this. A lot of politicians are compromised by the bribes - check out who Diane Feinsteins driver was for the last 20 years. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/details-chinese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/

And also, still, while you talk about Secret Service people having to stay close to the President - it's crazy that you'd call that corruption in any way.

I think that Trump believes the tax cuts he put in helped everybody. And while you worry about those cuts only done for his billionaire friends(a lot of whom say they hate him and tell and spend money for you to vote for someone else), what you should worry about is how the tax law was set up over the last 30 years, making it possible for companies to move money out of tax through loopholes.
"OH but Trump used these laws as well" Yes he did, of course, why wouldn't he..

Who wrote and approved these laws? The politicians, including Joe who's been one for 47 years. Why did they write them, because of bribery, also referred to as lobbyism.
What you should worry about is having a President who's more focused on getting US business out of US and into China, where they can make more because no one gives a shit about each other.


Trump’s Net Worth Drops $600 Million In A Year To $2.5 Billion


https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/09/08/trumps-net-worth-drops-600-million-in-a-year-to-25-billion/

He was estimated at $3.7 billion when he took office by the way. If he's lost 1200 million dollars of value while becoming President, he's not doing the corruption very well.

You are welcome to come with something specific, even if only circumstantial, about who it is that are giving Trump a ton of money for changing US policy. You're still claiming it's Putin?
Remember, they did a 3 year long investigation where they had access to everything.

[ZenMaster]

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1603529811523.jpg

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1603528344588.png

That is all.

[Axe]

I think i get now why trumptards also have disdain against china

[brownmamba00]

I swear republicans have the memory of a goldfish. The same republicans that voted for Bush who is considered an old friend of Beijing are now turning around and acting like China is America's oldest foe.

Newsflash China has been on the rise since the 80s after they turned to full pledged capitalism.


Yeah we all know Biden is a corrupt demented politician that will say and do anything to rake up votes.

But you maga **** are a bunch of sheep imbeciles. Anyway carry on I don't have a horse in this race.

[KennyPowers]

I always hated the Bush's. I like how anti-Trump demoncrats make up their own reality as to what other people think and believe. It must be messed up having schizoid personality disorder.

Biden supporters represent Karen.

Fat fugly women and weak beta males that blame the world for not being just as fat, weak and pathetic as they are. If you think men are men and women, they think you're the problem... if you think ween goes into vjay, they think you're the problem. The left is sodom and gomorrah. Its an abomination. God should smite them, the 777 Trumpets.

[brownmamba00]

There are also tons of red voters that vote red no matter what.

Please spare me the mental gymnastics.

@Zen's deleted post*

[brownmamba00]

Good on republicans tho

They can admit the Iraq invasion was a mistake AFTER 17 years now that the country has been blown up and tore down to pieces.

Thanks guys it's Iran's turn now right?:oldlol:

[ZenMaster]

Good on republicans tho

They can admit the Iraq invasion was a mistake AFTER 17 years now that the country has been blown up and tore down to pieces.

Thanks guys it's Iran's turn now right?:oldlol:

I'm not a Republican, I'm part of the group that hates all corrupt politicians and I've always said that war is the worst when there's no real reason for it but greed.

Bush x2, Bill, Hillary, Biden, McCain and a bunch of other rhino politicians who refuse to go away without term limits are all part of the same cabal. I believe Obama came in with at least semi good intentions, but got caught up in their games and made a big mistake which cost him, while he also lined his own pockets - so am a a bit unsure of him still.

Yes Bush started in 2001, but Hillary and Obama, along with John Brennan carried it on as leaders, both in Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. All part of the same huge cabal, and it's crazy that every 4 years they somehow can conduct a plan where they get American citizens to vote for them again.

The State Department running weapons in the Middle East arming terrorist groups, $152 billion to Iraq in the middle of the night and in secret, "Oh we got Osama but we can't show proof", a Muslim burial at sea.. How the hell do you believe this stuff happened as they say?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fl.yimg.com%2Fbt%2Fapi%2Fres%2F1.2% 2FbDq1_E32hM8fq0wCczEMqQ--%2FYXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTk1NztweW9mZj0wO3E 9NzU7dz05NjA-%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen_us%2FNews%2Fa p_webfeeds%2Fe11805dedf7e2311330f6a7067000be3.jpg&f=1&nofb=1


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI&ab_channel=CBS

Yeah Gadhafi died, the wall between mass migration into Europe, which is HUGE concern where I'm currently living. Almost every day there's a story about boats with migrants who took off from Libyan ports, sitting in the sea while the European nations argue about who has to save them.

You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Libya used to have the highest standard of living in all of Africa, now it's fractioned into warlord groups who fight for power in different regions and there are people sold as slaves in street markets.
One of those warlords, a general, even employs a good friend and either current or former attorney to Joe Biden, so now Trump has to negotiate with these people to try and get stability back in Libya, it's ridiculous.


WASHINGTON (AP) — A Libyan general who has gained control of the city of Benghazi and is believed to have ties to the CIA has hired a Texas-based lobbying firm to help him forge closer relations with the U.S. as he seeks to defeat rival militias and consolidate his hold on the North African country.

Field Marshal Khalifa Hifter and his Libyan National Army have hired Linden Government Solutions, based in Houston, according to a foreign agent registration document released Tuesday by the Justice Department.

Linden, which would receive about $2 million under the 13-month agreement, also will assist with "international coalition building, and general public relations" for the Libyan National Army.

Hifter last month was granted a phone call with President Donald Trump and has been gaining international support in his campaign to take control of an oil-rich country that has been in turmoil since the uprising that toppled dictator Moammar Gadhafi in 2011.

A White House statement about the call said "the two discussed a shared vision for Libya's transition to a stable, democratic political system."

https://oklahoman.com/article/feed/9915932/libyan-national-army-led-by-hifter-hires-us-lobbying-firm

[ZenMaster]

Therre are a lot of good Libyans and it's sad what's happened to their country, my barber is a Libyan who fled and I eat at Libyan restaurants all the time. Even though I don't agree with their Muslim ideology and how a lot of them treat women, I don't think they deserve to have their country bombed because Hillary wanted a strong position for her election, while making lots of millions running guns through the Sate Department. That's also why they had the people at the Benghazi station killed.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAXm540D4yo&feature=emb_logo&ab_channel=AmyAdams

[ZenMaster]

I swear republicans have the memory of a goldfish. The same republicans that voted for Bush who is considered an old friend of Beijing are now turning around and acting like China is America's oldest foe.

Newsflash China has been on the rise since the 80s after they turned to full pledged capitalism.


Yeah we all know Biden is a corrupt demented politician that will say and do anything to rake up votes.

But you maga **** are a bunch of sheep imbeciles. Anyway carry on I don't have a horse in this race.

Still plenty of room for you bro.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eqp5Zdy4pfI&ab_channel=ArmenRezz

[brownmamba00]

True you're not lying. Libya is a hotbed for foreign terrorists nowadays.

But let's not act like Trump/the White House is there to uphold democratic values as you mildly put it. Everybody is trying to get a piece of the pie. Russia Turkey France UAE Egypt Saudis Italy Qatar and the USA are fighting over the oil supplies and the open arms and guns market.

It's basically a proxy war between rival nations that use Libya as an open playground. Haftar is about to split up the nation.

And yes the Clintons are corrupt cu nts thanks for making that clear.

[CelticBaller]

"Biden is a corrupt politician!

>says the man who hangs with guliani, refuses to release his tax records and gave his kids higher positions that hunter ever got

"and he's compromised!"

>said by the man who has profited immensely since entering the WH


Trump fans are ironically dumb

[brownmamba00]

So basically what you're saying is who ever is in charge whether it's Obama Hillary Trump or Biden. At the end of the day they all play by the same rules.

Thanks for making my point. Carry on guys.

[ZenMaster]

True you're not lying. Libya is a hotbed for foreign terrorists nowadays.

But let's not act like Trump/the White House is there to uphold democratic values as you mildly put it. Everybody is trying to get a piece of the pie. Russia Turkey France UAE Egypt Saudis Italy Qatar and the USA are fighting over the oil supplies and the open arms and guns market.

It's basically a proxy war between rival nations that use Libya as an open playground. Haftar is about to split up the nation.

And yes the Clintons are corrupt cu nts thanks for making that clear.

But Joe is a partner of Hillary, they're part of the same corrupt tree. The foreign policy advisor of Hillary is now working with Biden on his campaign if I'm not mistaken.
And they're not playing by the same rules. They're all working to get Trump out of office: Mueller investigation, fake impeachment attempt.

I think that with everything we know today, it's not wrong to say that they created ISIS in corroboration with radical Muslims. But they've managed to get people to forget about the whole Middle East through 4 years of OMB information campaign.

It's absolutely crazy that we're again considering voting another one of these people into the most powerful position in America, even if the other choice is a narcissistic businessman - it can only be better.

[brownmamba00]

It's absolutely crazy that we're again considering voting another one of these people into the most powerful position in America, even if the other choice is a narcissistic businessman - it can only be better.

The thing is, domestically speaking, is it really a good thing to give white nationalists and right wingers a bigger voice? It's the same people that supported the so called "war on terrorism".

I mean just looking at the past months the country has been divided like never before. And whether you like it or not Trump's twitterfingers has escalated the situation even further. I'm not sure another 4 year term will bridge the gap.

[ZenMaster]

The thing is, domestically speaking, is it really a good thing to give white nationalists and right wingers a bigger voice? It's the same people that supported the so called "war on terrorism".

I mean just looking at the past months the country has been divided like never before. And whether you like it or not Trump's twitterfingers has escalated the situation even further. I'm not sure another 4 year term will bridge the gap.

I understand that concern and I think that radicalism and race hate on each side of the political spectrum is bad. But do you consider the voice of far right wingers a big threat in the US?
Everyone who supported Obama also supported the "war on terrorism", no? The whole thing was a huge psy op done through the media. The constant scare and worry channeled out for the public accompanied with words of righteousness and how the US politicians will fix it for everyone by dropping more bombs.
It was not long ago, that they even managed to get people on the left to argue against removing troops from the Middle East - what would have been perceived as a good thing by almost everyone before 2016, was now the wrong thing to do. Talk about a clown world mind****.

IMO there's some important distinctions to be made.

There are good things about nationalism, which has nothing to do with race. If you take the name of countries out of it, it becomes about supporting people around you which I think is a good thing.
The whole idea of globalism and mass production on the other side of the planet, with major use of shipping routes both by sea, land and air, to move that produce to where it's consumed is bad for the world. It's unnecessary for the climate considerations and it's a system where a major part of the profit ends up in the hand of a few people who don't have the same values as you, which then in turn leads to those people making use of this money to treat a large part of their citizens horribly. I've been to China in places where they produce a lot of stuff, it's horrible there.

In the same sense of supporting people around you, you should also support and align with people you share skills with.
Bernie always talks about Denmark, how it's a great mix of socialism and capitalism. I've been there a couple times as well, and by all accounts it's a lovely place.
But Bernie is not being real about it when he talks about a law for minimum wage, they don't have that in Denmark. What they do is that they live in much more solidarity towards each other, within fields of work means unionizing and from there they can manage to require proper payment for the work they do - which is why it's one of the places that are still hanging on to a strong middle class longer than most other Western countries, even though globalist mechanisms sadly having been gaining steam there as well in the last decade.

But no matter what I can't support greedy wars, and we have all the information available to us that we know that the same group of people all worked together on destroying the middle east for 15 years. It's madness to vote for any one of them again and it's irresponsible for the US public towards the rest of the world to do so.

Landslide for Trump, a political purge within the Democratic party, that would be the best thing that could happen right now and then we might have a party worth voting for. How about someone like Tulsi Gabbard? She seems well grounded.

[Mr. Woke]

Trump is a clown lol.

[ItsMillerTime]

Already voted, waited two hours in line to vote out this Fascist piece of shit. Thanks OP!

[kabar]

It's telling this retard spends hours on the internet from Europe. ****ing loser.

[BigKobeFan]

It's telling this retard spends hours on the internet from Europe. ****ing loser.

You are an idiot

[falc39]

There are good things about nationalism, which has nothing to do with race. If you take the name of countries out of it, it becomes about supporting people around you which I think is a good thing.
The whole idea of globalism and mass production on the other side of the planet, with major use of shipping routes both by sea, land and air, to move that produce to where it's consumed is bad for the world. It's unnecessary for the climate considerations and it's a system where a major part of the profit ends up in the hand of a few people who don't have the same values as you, which then in turn leads to those people making use of this money to treat a large part of their citizens horribly. I've been to China in places where they produce a lot of stuff, it's horrible there.

Trade in general is a plus for the whole world. Sure, companies compete with each other, but on net, the world is better off with trade no matter where the routes are. If one country has a comparative advantage over others, the question should not be how to isolate and punish them, but rather look at what is wrong with our own systems. There is nothing wrong with supporting people around you, but if it manifests into aggression towards other countries and the kind of failed trade wars we have seen, then yes it wrong. Trump’s use of nationalism for the trade wars has backfired massively and it was predicted by every economist on all sides of the aisle. You should have seen the thread here when I was arguing with 5-10 trump supporters on this years ago. “We hold all the cards”, “trade wars are easy to win”, etc. etc, almost repeating his tweets verbatim. It was completely delusional.

[bladefd]

I already responded to that, but you left the conversation then like you always do.

I'm not talking about Trump vs Biden, but politicians in general - maybe you read where I said that other politicians than Joe Biden was in on Burisma as well, which is why they're covering for each other. Biden is just the first domino, because he's the one with the leaked emails which provides proof of all of this. A lot of politicians are compromised by the bribes - check out who Diane Feinsteins driver was for the last 20 years. https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/details-chinese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/

And also, still, while you talk about Secret Service people having to stay close to the President - it's crazy that you'd call that corruption in any way.

I think that Trump believes the tax cuts he put in helped everybody. And while you worry about those cuts only done for his billionaire friends(a lot of whom say they hate him and tell and spend money for you to vote for someone else), what you should worry about is how the tax law was set up over the last 30 years, making it possible for companies to move money out of tax through loopholes.
"OH but Trump used these laws as well" Yes he did, of course, why wouldn't he..

Who wrote and approved these laws? The politicians, including Joe who's been one for 47 years. Why did they write them, because of bribery, also referred to as lobbyism.
What you should worry about is having a President who's more focused on getting US business out of US and into China, where they can make more because no one gives a shit about each other.





He was estimated at $3.7 billion when he took office by the way. If he's lost 1200 million dollars of value while becoming President, he's not doing the corruption very well.

You are welcome to come with something specific, even if only circumstantial, about who it is that are giving Trump a ton of money for changing US policy. You're still claiming it's Putin?
Remember, they did a 3 year long investigation where they had access to everything.

-My long post is concerning Trump because you told me to show if Trump made any money off being president, which I showed you. It is not about Biden or anyone else. I am sure other politicians made money as well, but I was answering your post.
-Secret service staying with Trump is not corruption, but Trump properties do make money off it. The more Trump travels to his properties, the more money his businesses make. He is obviously not doing it with charity and he is not using other people's businesses for the secret service, but rather his own businesses. He makes money there. What other president had that benefit in American history?? There's a reason Trump is not taking salary because he makes it all up through the bills he charges the tax payers
-Trump gave tax cuts to multi-millionairs and billionaires. Nothing to dispute there. The loopholes were there before and are still there. "drain the swamp" was always nonsense. Trump is part of that very swamp as I have always been saying.
-Check out the link. Trump's businesses PROFITED money.. Revenue was couple billion, profits were hundreds of millions on just his American properties because his American companies have to officially report it. We will never find out how much he profited on his foreign businesses/companies in his presidential years.

I am not claiming anything. You are the one claiming that Trump didn't make money in his presidential years - I am showing you that he did make plenty of money while president of united states & CEO of his businesses/companies that are not in any blind trust like every president before him in American history.

[ZenMaster]

https://streamable.com/bvra29

[Axe]

You are an idiot
:milton

[TheMan]

https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1603529811523.jpg

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1603528344588.png

That is all.

:roll:

The guy who set up a university as a scam is gonna save us all from corruption! :lol

[Nanners]

https://streamable.com/bvra29

Is that last sentence in this call a threat?

[ZenMaster]

Is that last sentence in this call a threat?

I don't know which kind of double speak they'd do on this kind of call, I think it's only the 2nd one I've ever heard between two top government leaders, the first being the one Trump was impeached for.

The call is very significant and it's clearly gone over the head of ISH who's still talking about Trump University.
Unless I'm completely wrong, It's Joe giving instructions to Poroshenko on how he wants to try and cover it all up.
PrivatBank was the vessel used for the disappearance of the $1.8 billion US aid money, which was supposed to help the Ukrainian economy.
Joe says they need to shut the bank down, because when Trump gets time to look into what actually happened, which will come up rather fast as Ukraine would still be needing new aid money(because the the first round disappeared). The IMF loan would then go through instead as it was also set up to be contingent on fixing the PrivatBank situation, which they ended up nationalizing in the end.

It didn't work out like Joe was trying to plan it, the IMF money didn't come through until earlier this year, after Ukraine started to look into the whole corruption from their end(which is what they built the fake impeachment on).

So if that $1.8 billion really was used to fund that battalion in the East Ukraine to fight Russian separatist forces, my feeling is that that's a situation which pertains to national security and Trump neither can or actually wants to do anything to shed light on, as it could have large consequences in the international community - all proxy wars that are usually found out about, never ends up being admitted to by the people who did them as it would be an admittance of war crimes and possibly treason.
He still wants the Biden's(and hopefully whoever else) to go down for the grafting though, which is why there's still a focus on Burisma and it'll hopefully all be looked through again with all the relevant information available, instead of what they just put into the silo the last time, which more or less came to these conclusions.
"Was there anything wrong with Hunter having this position at Burima?"
Technically not, Hunter is a person with certain credentials and he could theoretically be asked to join this board.

"Is there any proof that Hunter's work had any connection to Joe's actions" No, we don't have any information about the two discussing this kind of plan, nor do we have any information which states that Hunter's work was in any way related to matters which could be impacted by US policy.

"On the basis of this information, should we make a criminal referral and kindly ask that the FBI look into it more?"
No, there's no reason to look into any of this more on the basis of the information that's available to us.

Remember, that a whole group of Democrats and Republican were part of the opportunity to make money off of a Ukraine gas company which was in a bad situation because the owner was corrupt to begin with in his former Ukraine Minister position. This is how they cover it up with their BS committee investigations.

There's a lot of stuff coming out at the moment and it's all very extensive and a bit complicated, both about Ukraine, China and also the cages(apparently James Biden became the Vice President of an subsidiary to Hill International shortly before they started getting contracts to build the infrastructure for immigration centers) - that one is more vague though.
But Ukraine and China, a ton of stuff and the whole structure of it all is being revealed. I think you'll see a larger piece on it in the NY Post later today.
Kerry's stepson and Pelosi's step son apparently also has a bunch of deals from the Chinese.
The latest I've seen about Bursima as well, includes some of the money from there being funneled to the Clinton Foundation.

Am going to take a break from it all for a bit and just see what comes out from hard drives. It's a very interesting time, because for this Ukraine and China stuff, the information they usually say they can never get or have any reason to ask for, it's out in public.
We have the job description from Burisma, we have some of the players already admitting to the companies being nothing but vessels for Joe and that he was the commodity the companies were really selling. We have signed contracts on CCP loan extensions, handled in China and away from the SEC.
We have descriptions of company structures, indication secret payoffs for Joe.
We have Hunter telling his daughter in a text that he has to give 50% of everything to Joe.
We have a long timeline, with the same structures going back on old deals even in Ukraine and before.

[ZenMaster]

We almost have it all, the only thing missing is an extensive investigation into how exactly the money went from James and Hunter to Joe. Which of Joe's expenses/houses they paid for and all that good stuff.
We've been saying it for years, how do politicians live like rock stars and how do some of them amass hundreds of millions in wealth?

It's a crime family, pure and simple, using the influence of public office to gain their wealth.

It's time for this BS to end, there HAS to be some lower level politicians out there who actually wants to do good and not looking to become a multi millionaire. Some politicians who were never moved up in the system because they were never supported by the money which is needed for the campaigns to combat some other guy who's trying to trick the public into voting for him and has millions of dollars to do it.

[ZenMaster]

And on top of all the money stuff, there are all the rumors about potential pedo stuff as well - which could very well be a disinformation campaign to discredit the whole thing if it ends up not being true.

Check this one out, came out just last night:


National File has obtained what a whistleblower has identified as a copy of the complete diary of Ashley Blazer Biden, the 39-year-old daughter of Democrat presidential candidate Joe Biden, dating from during the 2020 presidential campaign. National File also knows the reported precise location of the physical diary, and has been told by a whistleblower that there exists an audio recording of Ashley Biden admitting this is her diary.
In the diary, which our source says belongs to the former vice president’s daughter, the author writes of her struggle with drug abuse. Ashley Biden’s struggle with drugs was widely publicized in 2009.

According to our source, the diary also details Ashley Biden’s unhealthy relationship with sex, and the “probably not appropriate” showers she shared as a young girl with her father, Joe Biden.

https://nationalfile.com/exclusive-source-biden-daughters-diary-details-not-appropriate-showers-with-joe-as-child/

[ZenMaster]

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1603631328535.jpg

[Mr. Woke]

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

[ZenMaster]

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

It's a pretty interesting discussion about what is and what isn't true in that 4chan description. Some of it aligns with real world events while some don't. We could have the discussion, if you can manage to write more than 20 words in a post..

[BigKobeFan]

We almost have it all, the only thing missing is an extensive investigation into how exactly the money went from James and Hunter to Joe. Which of Joe's expenses/houses they paid for and all that good stuff.
We've been saying it for years, how do politicians live like rock stars and how do some of them amass hundreds of millions in wealth?

It's a crime family, pure and simple, using the influence of public office to gain their wealth.

It's time for this BS to end, there HAS to be some lower level politicians out there who actually wants to do good and not looking to become a multi millionaire. Some politicians who were never moved up in the system because they were never supported by the money which is needed for the campaigns to combat some other guy who's trying to trick the public into voting for him and has millions of dollars to do it.

Drain the swamp brotha

[Nanners]

lock him up!

[ZenMaster]

https://streamable.com/21biu2 :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

Biden/Harris 2020

mandatory face diapers
mandatory vaccine
more quack fauci
higher taxes
higher regulations
pack supreme court
outsource manufacturing
destroy energy industry
sell ourselves to China
embrace New Normal of bullshit



At least Trump hired Scott Atlas. That alone puts him over Biden imo

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1308904131130781697

[Nanners]

Face diaper is a highly offensive term...lots of libs feel like they have no choice aside from obediently wearing the face diaper considering most of the time these people have the verbal equivalent of a turd flowing in or out of their mouth

Anyway, last I heard the correct term for masks is "face muzzle"... thats what all the good boys are saying at least

[TheMan]

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1603631328535.jpg

And here I legit thought you were one of the less insane Trump stans :(

[TheMan]

Biden/Harris 2020

mandatory face diapers
mandatory vaccine
more quack fauci
higher taxes
higher regulations
pack supreme court
outsource manufacturing
destroy energy industry
sell ourselves to China
embrace New Normal of bullshit



At least Trump hired Scott Atlas. That alone puts him over Biden imo

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1308904131130781697

Scott Atlas is not a virologist nor an expert in infectious diseases.

You're just as crazy as your Trump stan brethren.

And you wonder why most Americans think you guys are nuts :facepalm A worldwide fake pandemic just to get rid of Trump...SMH

[RRR3]

It’s really weird to see right wing posters freak out about Biden. He’s super right wing.

[TheMan]

It’s really weird to see right wing posters freak out about Biden. He’s super right wing.

Yes he is, not much different than Trump economically but these guys are starting to finally see the writing on the wall and are freaking out about it because of the strong cult of personality.

[CelticBaller]

It’s really weird to see right wing posters freak out about Biden. He’s super right wing.

No he’s not. Not everything right to Bernie is right wing lol

[Mr. Woke]

It's a pretty interesting discussion about what is and what isn't true in that 4chan description. Some of it aligns with real world events while some don't. We could have the discussion, if you can manage to write more than 20 words in a post..

I personally don't rely on 4chan to get my news.

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

[ZenMaster]

I personally don't rely on 4chan to get my news.

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

lol news?

It's just a post, like plenty of the ones written here about Trump, Russia and Putin.

[ZenMaster]

And here I legit thought you were one of the less insane Trump stans :(

Don't be so dramatic and don't worry, I don't take it harshly at all that you thought I was a bit less insane before, than you do you now..

Most of the things mentioned in that post can't be stated 100% one way or the other, and one should always at least keep an open mind, like when we had Russian conspiracies running wild here.
I believe the keywords for 3 those years or so in regards to Trump here on ISH were Putin, puppet/agent, tax release.
There were fking stories posted about Carter Page being a Russian asset, mirroring the tards on CNN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA_ZlkBe8Kw&t=207s&ab_channel=CNN

Besides, if my mind was closed like yours, I'd be one of those people saying "look, the Senate Commission said Biden did nothing wrong, and it has REPUBLICANS in it so it must be true."
Sorry hombre, but I'm not going back down that route.

Now, did the CCP release a virus built on bat extraction? Probably not, as that is a big step and to be considered an attack on the Western world. Also, it's quite hard to even imagine this scenario, without any kind of evidence.

There's just two things about:

1) The timing and outcome of the virus fitting their geopolitical strategy and needs is impeccable.

2) Dr. Li-Meng Yan, a Chinese virologist, did come forward on September 11 and said that the CCP releasing a virus on the world community is exactly what happened.

3) China apparently has taken one of the mildest hits of all, even though they apparently had people dying in the streets of covid, right at the beginning".

So, we can't really know for sure.

[Rocket]

Also know WHO you are voting for!!


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[ZenMaster]

Shit, I take everything back. It just came out that Don JR took in probably a few hundred million for an investment company from various Russian oligarchs, possibly along with Eric Trump(unconfirmed) and one of Paul Manafort's kids :(

https://twitter.com/ChanelRion/status/1320506107031412737

[bladefd]

We almost have it all, the only thing missing is an extensive investigation into how exactly the money went from James and Hunter to Joe. Which of Joe's expenses/houses they paid for and all that good stuff.
We've been saying it for years, how do politicians live like rock stars and how do some of them amass hundreds of millions in wealth?

It's a crime family, pure and simple, using the influence of public office to gain their wealth.

It's time for this BS to end, there HAS to be some lower level politicians out there who actually wants to do good and not looking to become a multi millionaire. Some politicians who were never moved up in the system because they were never supported by the money which is needed for the campaigns to combat some other guy who's trying to trick the public into voting for him and has millions of dollars to do it.

The only thing that matters happens to be the thing missing in this entire saga :oldlol:

And somehow at the same time flipping that around into a "Biden's corruption is why you should vote for Trump instead" argument. Again, bring a respected less-corrupt candidate in 2024 then you can make that argument. Right now, it's just pot calling the kettle black - it's a desperation shot, hoping it sticks at the 11th hour. It's a repeat of 2016

[bladefd]

It's a pretty interesting discussion about what is and what isn't true in that 4chan description. Some of it aligns with real world events while some don't. We could have the discussion, if you can manage to write more than 20 words in a post..

4chan is a source now?

[bladefd]

It’s really weird to see right wing posters freak out about Biden. He’s super right wing.

If Reagan was running against Trump in this year's Republican primary, Trumpeters would have been trashing Reagan of being too liberal. Trumpeters are in a cult together, fighting for their very existence to the point that they will defend their guy no matter what until he loses.. Then it will become "Trump who?? Never even heard of him" :facepalm

[ZenMaster]

The only thing that matters happens to be the thing missing in this entire saga :oldlol:

And somehow at the same time flipping that around into a "Biden's corruption is why you should vote for Trump instead" argument. Again, bring a respected less-corrupt candidate in 2024 then you can make that argument. Right now, it's just pot calling the kettle black - it's a desperation shot, hoping it sticks at the 11th hour. It's a repeat of 2016

That would be what you do a criminal investigation for, which has always been missing. You get that, and you can show the whole picture in a RICO case.

The request for services
Acceptance of request for services
Payment scheme initiated
Services completed

Missing - Proof of how they scheme it internally so everyone in the family can make use of the wealth, but in Hunter's own words: he has to give 50% to pop.

That's the general scheme, and then you have the CCP element on top of it in the China situation, which makes it a very dangerous situation.

And no, 4chan is not a source more than ISH, I don't know where you'd get that from. It was an interesting post, so I thought I'd pass it along, and I don't copy that kind of stuff to make it appear to come from myself.

I'd agree with your argument to present a better candidate in 2024, but my honest opinion is that the China stuff is really scary stuff and way beyond grafting.
To back that up, I'd argue that no one in here as agreed with what Joe said in the OP - which is that a rising China is a positive for the world and that they should be allies with the US.
On a personal level I'd say again, go to China, have a look around and see for yourself if it's something you want to support.

[bladefd]

That would be what you do a criminal investigation for, which has always been missing. You get that, and you can show the whole picture in a RICO case.

The request for services
Acceptance of request for services
Payment scheme initiated
Services completed

Missing - Proof of how they scheme it internally so everyone in the family can make use of the wealth, but in Hunter's own words: he has to give 50% to pop.

That's the general scheme, and then you have the CCP element on top of it in the China situation, which makes it a very dangerous situation.

And no, 4chan is not a source more than ISH, I don't know where you'd get that from. It was an interesting post, so I thought I'd pass it along, and I don't copy that kind of stuff to make it appear to come from myself.

I'd agree with your argument to present a better candidate in 2024, but my honest opinion is that the China stuff is really scary stuff and way beyond grafting.
To back that up, I'd argue that no one in here as agreed with what Joe said in the OP - which is that a rising China is a positive for the world and that they should be allies with the US.
On a personal level I'd say again, go to China, have a look around and see for yourself if it's something you want to support.

I always said f*ck China - they are a threat to everyone in that region.. South Korea, Japan, Philippines, India, Australia, Singapore, South-east Asian countries, etc.

Having said that, I would need evidence showing Joe Biden getting the money. Hunter is not running for president - if there's pedo stuff there then start an investigation through the FBI on him. It doesn't impact Joe Biden's campaign.

[falc39]

I'd agree with your argument to present a better candidate in 2024, but my honest opinion is that the China stuff is really scary stuff and way beyond grafting.
To back that up, I'd argue that no one in here as agreed with what Joe said in the OP - which is that a rising China is a positive for the world and that they should be allies with the US.
On a personal level I'd say again, go to China, have a look around and see for yourself if it's something you want to support.

Did you miss my post? I pretty much said that. Economics is not a zero sum game. The US and China economies booming is something that would benefit both the US and China. It surely is much better than what Trump attempted, which is hurt both economies with the US end up getting hurt more.

You do realize there are nearly 1.5 billion people living there, right? We don't even have half a billion people here and look how shitty some places look already. Homeless everywhere, riots, and everyone getting shot up. Imagine if we tripled our population, lol. This country is one big glass house.

[ZenMaster]

I always said f*ck China - they are a threat to everyone in that region.. South Korea, Japan, Philippines, India, Australia, Singapore, South-east Asian countries, etc.

Having said that, I would need evidence showing Joe Biden getting the money. Hunter is not running for president - if there's pedo stuff there then start an investigation through the FBI on him. It doesn't impact Joe Biden's campaign.

Sorry for typos in the last post. I doubt any pedo stuff will be coming out, somebody should already be under arrest if that was the case.

I think you're being very naïve about the corruption and implication of it. Like, 90% of the case is there for the public to see(except it's being hidden behind the information iron curtain) and all actions of Joe point to him actually shaped US policy in accordance with these situations which brought his family massive wealth.

If the situation was reversed and there were emails from Trump Jr and a business partner about getting 50% of $1.5 billion dollars, with one of the emails showing a proposed structure including "10% held by Jr for Teflon", you'd be blowing a gasket.

[Axe]

I always said f*ck China - they are a threat to everyone in that region.. South Korea, Japan, Philippines, India, Australia, Singapore, South-east Asian countries, etc.

Having said that, I would need evidence showing Joe Biden getting the money. Hunter is not running for president - if there's pedo stuff there then start an investigation through the FBI on him. It doesn't impact Joe Biden's campaign.
Ching will be number one soon, dummy. The rest will eventually bow down to them, regardless of what you may think.

[ZenMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMq42gdJQM&ab_channel=DonaldJTrump

[RRR3]

No he’s not. Not everything right to Bernie is right wing lol
Bernie is a ****ing centrist so your statement isn’t really based in reality. Hate to break it to you, bud, but you’re right wing. Learn how the political spectrum works.

[SATAN]

4chan is a source now?

Literally hilarious how stupid these guys are.

[Jailblazers7]

I understand that concern and I think that radicalism and race hate on each side of the political spectrum is bad. But do you consider the voice of far right wingers a big threat in the US?
Everyone who supported Obama also supported the "war on terrorism", no? The whole thing was a huge psy op done through the media. The constant scare and worry channeled out for the public accompanied with words of righteousness and how the US politicians will fix it for everyone by dropping more bombs.
It was not long ago, that they even managed to get people on the left to argue against removing troops from the Middle East - what would have been perceived as a good thing by almost everyone before 2016, was now the wrong thing to do. Talk about a clown world mind****.

IMO there's some important distinctions to be made.

There are good things about nationalism, which has nothing to do with race. If you take the name of countries out of it, it becomes about supporting people around you which I think is a good thing.
The whole idea of globalism and mass production on the other side of the planet, with major use of shipping routes both by sea, land and air, to move that produce to where it's consumed is bad for the world. It's unnecessary for the climate considerations and it's a system where a major part of the profit ends up in the hand of a few people who don't have the same values as you, which then in turn leads to those people making use of this money to treat a large part of their citizens horribly. I've been to China in places where they produce a lot of stuff, it's horrible there.

You could legitimately use this same argument against capitalism in America. Major corporations like Walmart, Amazon, etc. extract money from communities all across the nation and in every city that these companies are headquartered we see massive poverty, homelessness, discrimination, and every other social ailment that plagues our country. I'm by no means defending China because that country is obviously authoritarian and abjectly horrible, in a much more obvious way, but the US has been terrible to large swaths of our country for generations yet we refuse to acknowledge it.


In the same sense of supporting people around you, you should also support and align with people you share skills with.
Bernie always talks about Denmark, how it's a great mix of socialism and capitalism. I've been there a couple times as well, and by all accounts it's a lovely place.
But Bernie is not being real about it when he talks about a law for minimum wage, they don't have that in Denmark. What they do is that they live in much more solidarity towards each other, within fields of work means unionizing and from there they can manage to require proper payment for the work they do - which is why it's one of the places that are still hanging on to a strong middle class longer than most other Western countries, even though globalist mechanisms sadly having been gaining steam there as well in the last decade.

But no matter what I can't support greedy wars, and we have all the information available to us that we know that the same group of people all worked together on destroying the middle east for 15 years. It's madness to vote for any one of them again and it's irresponsible for the US public towards the rest of the world to do so.

Landslide for Trump, a political purge within the Democratic party, that would be the best thing that could happen right now and then we might have a party worth voting for. How about someone like Tulsi Gabbard? She seems well grounded.

These two thoughts legitimately don't makes sense to me when put next to each other. So your pro-union but also think the Democratic party but not the GOP needs to be purged? GOP state legislatures have gutted worker protections and the ability to unionize across the country. If you support the environment of countries like Denmark, then replicating those conditions through the current Republican party is simply not possible, and thinking otherwise is delusional.

[Cleverness]

Scott Atlas is not a virologist nor an expert in infectious diseases.

You're just as crazy as your Trump stan brethren.

And you wonder why most Americans think you guys are nuts :facepalm A worldwide fake pandemic just to get rid of Trump...SMH

1. We must follow science, data, and common sense. He is an expert in following science, data, common sense, and public policy. If a person does not follow science, data, and common sense, then I don't care what their title is; they should not lead.

2. For the third time, I never said it was a worldwide fake pandemic just to get rid of Trump. I said this to you before on page 3: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved/page4 but I think you dodged the original question. I'm still interested in hearing your estimate.

3. You continue to post about COVID & Trump, yet you seem to still have no clue what is going on. Please re-read my post again. Also, read this post to become better informed:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486655-We-could-have-been-over-the-virus-by-now-if-Trump-didn-t-get-in-his-own-way&p=14168728&viewfull=1#post14168728


Wrong. That conspiracy was debunked the day it came out (see below).



Trump's instincts were correct. But instead of following his instincts, he (and his swamp team) chose Tony Fauci to lead us:

Still waiting for your response here, itsmillertime: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElMJBDtWkAEKrQo?format=jpg&name=small

And it was never that bad. Total COVID-19 Hospitalization still LESS than 2018 flu season. ^

4. https://twitter.com/DowdEdward/status/1319076309771825152?s=19

[TheMan]

im voting for hungter biden

:oldlol:

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMq42gdJQM&ab_channel=DonaldJTrump

jill sittin' there like:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/ScNYkpguBDqu5xMCI0xGQP4UGPw=/0x0:900x500/1400x788/filters:focal(378x178:522x322):format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49493993/this-is-fine.0.jpg

[Mr. Woke]

lol news?

It's just a post, like plenty of the ones written here about Trump, Russia and Putin.

The Republican Party has lost its mind.

[ZenMaster]

You could legitimately use this same argument against capitalism in America. Major corporations like Walmart, Amazon, etc. extract money from communities all across the nation and in every city that these companies are headquartered we see massive poverty, homelessness, discrimination, and every other social ailment that plagues our country. I'm by no means defending China because that country is obviously authoritarian and abjectly horrible, in a much more obvious way, but the US has been terrible to large swaths of our country for generations yet we refuse to acknowledge it.

I do use the same argument about corporate America and I agree 100% with what you say, but we can't fix everything at once.
There is a push happening to try and enlighten people on buying from small shops instead of the big corporate boxes built around a parking lot. That's one part of it, but the other is to get cheap foreign products built in a system which gravitates towards slavery like conditions. I think that most of the major corporations also benefit from cheap overseas products on a whole different scale than small business owners as well.

If most large American companies sold products produced in the US, while small business does the same, you'll have an option between the two.
There's never an option between buying "local Chinese" so to speak, those products will always come from the other side of the world.

Also, I'm not advocating 100% nationalism, it's good that things can come from other countries, it just can't be the norm.
I think I've used the example previously here in the thread, that there's nothing inherently good about a product like televisions, e.g Samsung TV's all being produced in China and then sent around the world - except for Samsung that is.



These two thoughts legitimately don't makes sense to me when put next to each other. So your pro-union but also think the Democratic party but not the GOP needs to be purged? GOP state legislatures have gutted worker protections and the ability to unionize across the country. If you support the environment of countries like Denmark, then replicating those conditions through the current Republican party is simply not possible, and thinking otherwise is delusional.

I agree, but my thought process is the same as above: we can't fix everything at once.

IMO we can change things, but Bernie bro's have to accept that there won't be a violent revolution, as it would get shut down, and people like me have to accept that the current politicians will probably all look over each other in some way and thus there'll never be a real push to have some of them sent to jail.

I think that both parties needs to be purged, but it in this election it's only possible to make this happen for the democrats.

There's been a lot of bad stuff coming from the dems in the last 4 years, and if Trump were to win in a landslide, it would force people to open their eyes and move away from the current dem leadership and thereby ending at least some of the corruption.

If the same where to happen to repubs in this current election, I think they'd blame it all on Trump and then make the case that they need to go back to their old ways.

If dems could fix their party, they can then come and take the power back, forcing repubs to do their purge.

So no, we can't fix everything at once, but in this election there's only one correct path and that is not to vote in the candidate which is pure establishment and has been a big part of creating the system which we find ourselves under today. A candidate who to me seems bought by the CCP as well.

There's plenty of room for both parties(and even more) and for people to think differently about how things in life should work, we just have to change things so the proper candidates are chosen to speak and act on behalf of the people.

[ZenMaster]

picture of Hunter with O at 5:19 pm on Apr 4, 2016. Confirmed by Obama visitor logs. Hunter was at White House for meeting at 4:15 pm, nominally 1 on 1 with VP. (Stayed over after large event at 3:15 pm). Three days after Poroshenko visit and Shokin firing.
https://twitter.com/ClimateAudit/status/1320581392628154370

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElOZEyTX0AcAGbX?format=jpg&name=small

[CelticBaller]

Bernie is a ****ing centrist so your statement isn’t really based in reality. Hate to break it to you, bud, but you’re right wing. Learn how the political spectrum works.

no he's not, this has been debunked several times. Even in the nordic countries they consider bernie to be extreme left

[bladefd]

no he's not, this has been debunked several times. Even in the nordic countries they consider bernie to be extreme left

Bernie is not extreme left. An extreme left person would be a commie and against capitalism. That's not Bernie. Bernie wants some capitalism and socialism. He is not a commie but rather comes from the FDR tree of Social Democrats.

[CelticBaller]

Bernie is not extreme left. An extreme left person would be a commie and against capitalism. That's not Bernie. Bernie wants some capitalism and socialism. He is not a commie but rather comes from the FDR tree of Social Democrats.

Not necessarily, there’s things such as Auth left and lib left. Bernie falls more on the lib left but he’s clearly not for capitalism as he’s been on record condemning it and praising socialist countries

Again, countries that are clearly on the left to us don’t even want to associate with Bernie. That should tell you enough

[RRR3]

You literally don’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesn’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.

[BigKobeFan]

You literally don’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesn’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.

his sports cars and 3 homes do not look like socialism to me.

[CelticBaller]

You literally donÂ’t understand politics at all if you think Bernie wants to get rid of capitalism. Just because he calls himself a socialist doesnÂ’t mean he is one. Examples of actual democratic socialists: Jawaharlal Nehru, Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, Evo Morales.

ItÂ’s a literally fact that he has condemned capitalism before and called himself a socialist pre 90s. YouÂ’re the one who doesnÂ’t understand politics

Just because you read some stupid commie book doesnÂ’t mean you know more than anybody

[RRR3]

his sports cars and 3 homes do not look like socialism to me.
He’s not a socialist which is literally what I’ve been saying.

[RRR3]

ItÂ’s a literally fact that he has condemned capitalism before and called himself a socialist pre 90s. YouÂ’re the one who doesnÂ’t understand politics

Just because you read some stupid commie book doesnÂ’t mean you know more than anybody
Bernie wants to reform capitalism. If he was a socialist he’d want to abolish it. Again, this is very basic stuff. I’m sorry you think Bernie is automatically what he says he is, but his policies clearly show he’s a social democrat similar to many European countries. They favor a mixed economy. They aren’t leftists or right wingers they’re in the middle. Learn the basic economic political spectrum, dude.

[CelticBaller]

Bernie wants to reform capitalism. If he was a socialist he’d want to abolish it. Again, this is very basic stuff. I’m sorry you think Bernie is automatically what he says he is, but his policies clearly show he’s a social democrat similar to many European countries. They favor a mixed economy. They aren’t leftists or right wingers they’re in the middle. Learn the basic economic political spectrum, dude.

most of europe are actual free market neoliberal countries lol (that includes the nordic ones btw)

Also Biden literally would be just like Macron from france, a guy who's far from right wing

[RRR3]

most of europe are actual free market neoliberal countries lol (that includes the nordic ones btw)

Also Biden literally would be just like Macron from france, a guy who's far from right wing
Tell us more about how Malcolm X was right wing and Bernie is literally a communist :lol

[CelticBaller]

when did I say he was commie? I said he was far left.

[RRR3]

when did I say he was commie? I said he was far left.
There isn’t a single far left politician in America that has any relevance. Then again you’re a Biden fan, we can’t expect you to know politics.

[CelticBaller]

people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says)

Man who still lives with his parents despite having a college degree: "You don't know anything about politics!"

[BigKobeFan]

people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says)

Man who still lives with his parents despite having a college degree: "You don't know anything about politics!"

He's moving out soon...remember.

[RRR3]

people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says)

Man who still lives with his parents despite having a college degree: "You don't know anything about politics!"
Bernie is too far left according to a country you already called neoliberal and right wing propaganda stations (CNN, MSNBC) you get all your information from. Wow such great evidence :oldlol: You literally can’t be far left if you’re not for abolishing capitalism. You could call Bernie center left but that’s it.

[bladefd]

Not necessarily, there’s things such as Auth left and lib left. Bernie falls more on the lib left but he’s clearly not for capitalism as he’s been on record condemning it and praising socialist countries

Again, countries that are clearly on the left to us don’t even want to associate with Bernie. That should tell you enough

The issue is a lot of people confuse socialism, communism, etc. These are not easy concepts to wrap your mind around so it's understandable.

Socialism is not the opposite of capitalism. There are of course levels to socialism, but in general, socialism is a broad-spectrum term that could have some capitalism or not have capitalism or be somewhat mixed (mixed are some European countries*). Socialism tends to socialize production of goods but you can still have money in socialist countries (consumption is not typically socialized, only production is). That's what the left looks like, and relative to our current economy, that would be very left sure. Unfortunately, that's not the most extreme left you can get. The most extreme left you can get is communism.

Communism is socialized production AND socialized consumption - there is no money in communist countries. No money is what the actual extreme left looks like (that is much farther left than even Bernie Sanders or USSR/China/etc). So technically there has never been a truly communist country, where money would not exist. All of the countries we consider 'communist' (USSR, China, NK, Cuba) have had money to buy/sell goods so they were more socialist authoritarian countries rather than true communism. Bernie's views are far left but not as far left as USSR/China back in the day and certainly not true communism left.

We have never seen true communism in practice afaik (maybe hunter-gatherer groups pre-civilization could be considered that, but those were extended families rather than entire nations). I also don't believe true communism would ever work, especially considering that humans are greedy by nature & corrupt easily. Communism wouldn't work because everyone would sooner or later want more share for themselves or their family - there is no way around that fact.


*We can argue America is somewhat mixed too as is most of the other countries around the world because we have medicare, medicaid, social security. Those are socialist programs. Ultimately, we are on the low range of the spectrum.

[bladefd]

people who literally get paid to be politicians and study politics : Bernie is far left

Goverment officials: Bernie is far left (https://theweek.com/speedreads/896948/democratic-socialist-bernie-sanders-far-left-swedens-ruling-social-democrats-official-says)

Man who still lives with his parents despite having a college degree: "You don't know anything about politics!"

On a purely economic scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being true communism and 10 being corporatism as the two extremes.. Keep in mind I'm not considering politics or social aspects - only purely economics.

Bernie would probably be a 4.
USSR in its heyday post-Stalin would be a 3, sometimes 2.5.

Biden around 7.
Trump around 8.

Our economics has been getting closer and closer to corporatism as a nation for past 4-5 decades. We are not there yet thankfully, but well on the way.

[CelticBaller]

I'd say Biden is a 6, he has always advocated for high tax rates on corporations. a 7 would be someone like Trump. 8 would probably be Mitt Romney or Rand Paul and 9+ are just libertarian's who dgaf