Historical fact: LeBron never carried a team to the ring because...

[3ball]

he never won a Finals or beat any good team without good performance from a sidekick

[dbugz]

*shortened season
*ray allen
*kyrie
*scrimmage

[HoopsNY]

Deleted...misread what you said. But I don't think this is really accurate either.

[3ball]

Deleted...misread what you said. But I don't think this is really accurate either.

When did lebron win a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

Otoh, MJ won Finals and beat top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from Pippen..

Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and 15 on 41% in the 98 Finals, 97' ECF, and 90' ECF... 10 on 40% when the bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs in 89'

[GrayGoat]

When did lebron win a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When MJ won a title without 3-all nba first teamers

[3ball]

When MJ won a title without 3-all nba first teamers

lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

Otoh, MJ won Finals and beat top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from Pippen..

Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and 15 on 41% in the 98 Finals, 97' ECF, and 90' ECF... he also averaged 10 on 40% when the bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs in 89'

[3ball]

Deleted...misread what you said. But I don't think this is really accurate either.

Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals

And 15 on 41% in the 98 Finals, 97' ECF, and 90' ECF... he also averaged 10 on 40% when the bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs in 89'

Otoh, lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

[GrayGoat]

lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick

Otoh, MJ won Finals and beat top 5 SRS teams with poor scoring and efficiency from Pippen..

Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and 15 on 41% in the 98 Finals, 97' ECF, and 90' ECF... he also averaged 10 on 40% when the bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs in 89'

You didn’t answer

[LonelyOwl]

Jordan only lead in scoring

LeBron lead in everything

So LeBron carried a bigger overall load

[3ball]

When MJ won a title without 3-all nba first teamers

All 6 rings

.. The bulls' distribution of ppg proves that MJ was a 1-man team

[RRR3]

Pippen averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals

And 15 on 41% in the 98 Finals, 97' ECF, and 90' ECF... he also averaged 10 on 40% when the bulls beat the #1 SRS Cavs in 89'

Otoh, lebron never won a Finals or beat any top 5 SRS opponent with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick
Wade averaged 19.6 PPG on 50.5% TS in the 13 finals. LeBron absolutely carried the 13 Heat in the playoffs.

[3ball]

Jordan only lead in scoring

LeBron lead in everything

So LeBron carried a bigger overall load

Teammates average nearly the same ppg, rebound, steals, etc... That's the definition of SHARED LOAD

Otoh, MJ averaged 10-30 more than pippen (carry-job) and shared the secondary categories like lebron

[3ball]

Wade averaged 19.6 PPG on 50.5% TS in the 13 finals. LeBron absolutely carried the 13 Heat in the playoffs.

Wade averaged 20/5/5 on 47%

^^^ prime pippen stats

Lebron needed at least prime pippen to win a Finals

And lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7... He averaged 25 on 44% overall and was a net negative for the series

ANYONE can average 16 on 39% and 25 overall with net negative.. lebron was horrible but Ray saved him

[SouBeachTalents]

More historical facts

Only player to lead both teams every statistical category for a series (in the Finals vs. a 73 win team to boot)

Only player to win FMVP with 3 different franchises

[LonelyOwl]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[3ball]

More historical facts

Only player to lead both teams every statistical category for a series (in the Finals vs. a 73 win team to boot)

Only player to win FMVP with 3 different franchises

Lebron shared the load in every category (teammates averaged nearly as much)

MJ shared the load too, except the most important category - scoring - so lebron never carried the load to win (teammates averaged nearly as much)

[RRR3]

Wade averaged 20/5/5 on 47%

^^^ prime pippen stats

Lebron needed at least prime pippen to win a Finals

And lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7... He averaged 25 on 44% overall and was a net negative for the series

ANYONE can average 16 on 39% and 25 overall with net negative.. lebron was horrible but Ray saved him
So horrible he won FMVP :lol

50.5 TS% is poor efficiency hate to break it to you, so Wade factually wasnt scoring that well in that series.

[3ball]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Kyrie averaged the same ppg so lebron shared the load

And he shared the rebounds and other categories too

Only MJ carried the scoring load (shared the other categories like lebron)

[3ball]

So horrible he won FMVP :lol

50.5 TS% is poor efficiency hate to break it to you, so Wade factually wasnt scoring that well in that series.

Show me where lebron won a Finals or beat a top 5 SRS team (good team) with 16 on 40% from his sidekick - MJ beat 5 good teams with this including 2 Finals

So only MJ had carry-jobs against good teams

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade averaged 20/5/5 on 47%

^^^ prime pippen stats

Lebron needed at least prime pippen to win a Finals

And lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7... He averaged 25 on 44% overall and was a net negative for the series

ANYONE can average 16 on 39% and 25 overall with net negative.. lebron was horrible but Ray saved him
So LeBrin was horrible in the '13 Finals, yet lead the team in points, assists, rebounds and steals while winning unanimous FMVP. You're here trying to tell us he never carried a team to a ring when by your own account, LeBron was "horrible" in the Finals while still being by FAR the best Heat player in the series? Can't have it both ways homeboy, you can't claim LeBron was horrible while being the Heat's best player and leading them in everything while simultaneously trying to claim he never carried a team to a title.

If he was horrible while leading the Heat in almost everything, then that means the rest of the team played like total ass

[3ball]

So LeBrin was horrible in the '13 Finals, yet lead the team in points, assists, rebounds and steals while winning unanimous FMVP. You're here trying to tell us he never carried a team to a ring when by your own account, LeBron was "horrible" in the Finals while still being by FAR the best Heat player in the series? Can't have it both ways homeboy, you can't claim LeBron was horrible while being the Heat's best player and leading them in everything while simultaneously trying to claim he never carried a team to a title

Lebron shares scoring loads and can't win with poor sidekick performance

If the sidekick gets 20/5/5 on 47% in your BIGGEST carry job, then you aren't carrying teams like Jordan.. not remotely close

Lebron's teammates always score the same as lebron, or within 5 points.. otoh, Jordan's teammates were never anywhere near him (constant carry job.. no relief)

[Roundball_Rock]

Wade averaged 19.6 PPG on 50.5% TS in the 13 finals. LeBron absolutely carried the 13 Heat in the playoffs.

He is posting a series of false numbers. Pippen was excellent in the 97' ECF, for example (and much more efficient than M-Jay). You had Sports Illustrated and Marv Albert during the NBA finals saying Pippen may have been the Bulls' postseason MVP up to that point. Not exactly the impression conveyed by MJ stains 23 years later, is it? :lol

1997 ECF: Pippen 53% TS, Jordan 48% TS

As to the "15 PPG", it was 17 PPG--because Pippen played 7 minutes in Game 5 (the final game)--the Bulls offense went down the toilet in those 41 minutes but Pippen left with a double digit lead...He was averaging 21 PPG in his four full games.

Jordan stains have to lie because the truth would show Pippen outplayed the #1 and #2 on the Heat in the series.

Also notice the same people who say MJ would go from 33 PPG in the 90's to 45 PPG today say Pippen scoring 20 PPG in the 90's in the PO=a player scoring 20 PPG today? :lol

[3ball]

He is posting a series of false numbers. Pippen was excellent in the 97' ECF, for example (and much more efficient than M-Jay). You had Sports Illustrated and Marv Albert during the NBA finals saying Pippen may have been the Bulls' postseason MVP up to that point. Not exactly the impression conveyed by MJ stains 23 years later, is it? :lol

1997 ECF: Pippen 53% TS, Jordan 48% TS

As to the "15 PPG", it was 17 PPG--because Pippen played 7 minutes in Game 5 (the final game)--the Bulls offense went down the toilet in those 41 minutes but Pippen left with a double digit lead...He was averaging 21 PPG in his four full games.

Jordan stains have to lie because the truth would show Pippen outplayed the #1 and #2 on the Heat in the series.

Also notice the same people who say MJ would go from 33 PPG in the 90's to 45 PPG today say Pippen scoring 20 PPG in the 90's in the PO=a player scoring 20 PPG today? :lol


The gap between 11' Dirk and his 2nd option... versus the gap between MJ and Pip


PLAYOFFS


11' Dirk'........ 27.7 ppg.. 25.2 PER.. 5.5 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.210 WS/48
11' Terry....... 17.5 ppg.. 20.3 PER.. 4.6 BPM.. 1.1 VORP.. 0.179 WS/48
GAP............... 10.2...........4.9.............1.1.......... 0.5............ 0.031

93' Jordan... 35.1 ppg.. 30.1 PER.. 11.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.270 WS/48
93' Pippen... 20.1 ppg.. 16.9 PER.... 2.0 BPM.. 0.8 VORP.. 0.083 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0...........13.2............ 9.6........... 2.1............ 0.187

92' Jordan... 34.5 ppg.. 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.8 VORP.. 0.216 WS/48
92' Pippen... 19.5 ppg.. 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM.. 2.0 VORP.. 0.168 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0.............7.1............ 3.3........... 0.8............ 0.048

91' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 32.0 PER.. 14.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.333 WS/48
91' Pippen... 21.6 ppg.. 22.0 PER.... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP.. 0.197 WS/48
GAP................. 9.5..........10.0............ 8.1........... 1.4............ 0.136

96' Jordan... 30.7 ppg.. 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48
96' Pippen... 16.9 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48
GAP.............. 13.8.............7.3............ 2.9........... 0.6............ 0.122

97' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.235 WS/48
97' Pippen... 19.2 ppg.. 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM.. 1.4 VORP.. 0.145 WS/48
GAP.............. 11.9.............9.1............ 4.8........... 1.0............ 0.090

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.265 WS/48
98' Pippen... 16.8 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.166 WS/48
GAP.............. 16.4.............8.7............ 3.4........... 0.8............ 0.095



Conclusion - Jordan had 6 carry-job rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk

And there's never been a bigger gap between #1 and #2 options

[Ainosterhaspie]

There are more ways to carry a team than scoring alone, but even in scoring LeBron carried them, especially in the wins where he scored more than Irving 3/4 times; the one time he didn't exceed Irving's scoring, he matched it. Your point is a weak one at best if we look only at scoring.

But then there is defense and facilitation where LeBron obliterates Irving. LeBron had an exceptional, all time great, absolutely team carrying defensive series, while also shouldering the heaviest load on offense. LeBron's defense was sensational, Irving's merely decent.

It was a phenomenal carry job by LeBron AND Irving had a fantastic offensive series. Those can both be true at the same time.

You have an absolutely toxic view of the game that produces absurd attacks on fantastic supporting players. Jordan had exceptional help in his titles, LeBron did too. You don't win titles without role players stepping up and doing great things. Kerr and Paxton and Horry and Pippen and Rodman and Grant and Chalmers and Battier and Danny Green and Iguodala, and Terry and Mike Miller and TT and JR Smith and Lowry and many many more guys from fringe spot minute players to elite number twos have stepped up through the years and made significant contributions to winning through timely defense, scoring and many other little things. Stop being an embarrassing piece of shit fan who can't appreciate anything about the game unless it serves to uplift Jordan.

Do you know who Dahntay Jones is. End of the bench role player who barely got on the court, but in game 6, 2016 finals, he went on a mini one man 5 point run and grabbed a board at the end of the 2nd quarter. Forgettable player who has a ring and did his small part to earn it in that moment. How about seeing stuff like that and being happy for the guy. He's always going to be able to remember that sequence where he was on the biggest stage and played a part in an historic comeback against one of the greatest teams ever. But for you, all the matters is how he can serve your obsessive repulsive Jordan agenda.

Yeah, the Heat torched OKC, a team with three future MVPs and guys who have won 9/11 scoring titles in the last 11 years, and LeBron got a ton of contribution from teammates like Miller who went 7/8 from three for 23 in game five. Through all if that James was the defensive and offensive anchor who kept the team running smoothly, but instead of appreciating his excellent performance and the contributions of his teammates, all you can see is a way to dump on James.

While you're at it, don't forget to point out Chalmers scored 25 the game before on .727 TS and 20 on .842 TS in the pivotal game 6 in 2013. Chalmers, the perpetual whipping boy of the big three stepped up big in multiple finals game. A forgettable role player who nevertheless was a key contributor to multiple titles. But how can that be used to denigrate James is the real issue.

[dbugz]

3ball destroying all these libron's fans on this forum

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[Ainosterhaspie]

3ball destroying all these libron's fans on this forum

:oldlol: :oldlol:

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LOL, OK. Acts like doing something that's never been done before in the finals by leading both teams in every major category, playing suffocating defense and elite offense at the same time isn't carry a team becuase one teammate almost scored as much as he did, not scored as much as he did mind, just merely almost did. That teammate is an average defender at best, but yeah it wasn't a carry job because he scored the same as James in one of their wins and made a basket with the game tied.

[8Ball]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Greatest load carry of all time. Herculean. Sisyphus.

Ask Jordan to do this vs a 73 win team....

[8Ball]

Every single thread 3ball makes we come in here and destroy it.

12 straight days. Non stop.

[Roundball_Rock]

LOL, OK. Acts like doing something that's never been done before in the finals by leading both teams in every major category, playing suffocating defense and elite offense at the same time isn't carry a team becuase one teammate almost scored as much as he did, not scored as much as he did mind, just merely almost did. That teammate is an average defender at best, but yeah it wasn't a carry job because he scored the same as James in one of their wins and made a basket with the game tied.

It is laughable. :lol

[red1]

OP you lost. Just suck it up bitch.



How dumb did you have to be arguing back then that he isnt an all-time great. What a complete imbecile you are. :oldlol:

[red1]

3ball destroying all these libron's fans on this forum

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We won bitch. :)


"hurr durr bran ringless" <--- that was you in 2011

KG - 1
Dirk - 1


4 rings later and certified top-2 all-time = you lost bitch :)

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Wade averaged more PPG then anybody on spurs, it was a defense series like most of 2nd 3peat bulls were. It would of been 4-2 if not for that ray allen shot.

LeBron was shut down by Kawhi most of the series. Then the next season LeBron started cramping up because he was scared of Kawhi again and ended up losing 1-4 in finals record margain. LeBron was always intimidated by kawhi back then, 2019 all-star break he spent all weekend trying to recruit kawhi. I like to see LeBron beat prime kawhi in a non bubble format, I don't think he can do it.

[Mr. Woke]

3ball in shambles lol!

Jordan is not even paying him to defend his legacy. He's doing it for free, what a simp!

[SouBeachTalents]

Wade averaged more PPG then anybody on spurs, it was a defense series like most of 2nd 3peat bulls were. It would of been 4-2 if not for that ray allen shot.

LeBron was shut down by Kawhi most of the series. Then the next season LeBron started cramping up because he was scared of Kawhi again and ended up losing 1-4 in finals record margain. LeBron was always intimidated by kawhi back then, 2019 all-star break he spent all weekend trying to recruit kawhi. I like to see LeBron beat prime kawhi in a non bubble format, I don't think he can do it.
Kawhi didn't lead the Spurs in scoring in either of those Finals

[RRR3]

Kawhi didn't lead the Spurs in scoring in either of those Finals
KaChoke simply can’t win as the leader of a team. We have more than enough proof. He needs a strong presence like Pop/Duncan or Lowry/Nurse to save him from choking.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

2013 finals game 6:

Kawhi led team in minutes: 70% TS, 12.4 BPM,

LeBron led team in minutes: 51% TS, 9.2 BPM

Spurs should of gave kawhi the ball more, Parker/Manu sucked all series, ray allen still bailed LeBron out.

[RRR3]

2013 finals game 6:

Kawhi led team in minutes: 70% TS, 12.4 BPM,

LeBron led team in minutes: 51% TS, 9.2 BPM

Spurs should of gave kawhi the ball more, Parker/Manu sucked all series, ray allen still bailed LeBron out.
KaChoke clanked his FTs when the team needed it most. He’s simply a loser in clutch moments.




:(

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi didn't lead the Spurs in scoring in either of those Finals

He led them in minutes and total BPM in 2013 finals

2014 finals he led them in GmSc and total BPM

Best player overall both years for spurs.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

KaChoke clanked his FTs when the team needed it most. He’s simply a loser in clutch moments.




:(

Parker missed a free throw in game 6 overtime, Duncan missed a layup late in game 7.

Go ask jimmy butler and Embiid if Kawhi is a loser in clutch moments. Butler will tell ya, Embiid will probably have flashbacks and start crying hahhaha

[SouBeachTalents]

2013 finals game 6:

Kawhi led team in minutes: 70% TS, 12.4 BPM,

LeBron led team in minutes: 51% TS, 9.2 BPM

Spurs should of gave kawhi the ball more, Parker/Manu sucked all series, ray allen still bailed LeBron out.
Game 6

LeBron: 32/10/11 on 51%TS
Kawhi: 22/11/0 on 70%TS

4th quarter/OT

LeBron: 18/4/4 on 8/14
Kawhi: 9/4/0 on 4/6, missed FT to clinch the title

[nineiron]

3ball destroying all these libron's fans on this forum

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he's wrecking them all by himself. guess it isn't hard when you have FACTS

[RRR3]

Parker missed a free throw in game 6 overtime, Duncan missed a layup late in game 7.

Go ask jimmy butler and Embiid if Kawhi is a loser in clutch moments. Butler will tell ya, Embiid will probably have flashbacks and start crying hahhaha
That was clearly a fluke shot. Kachoke has a history of pooping his pants when the going gets tough. He was absolutely petrified in game 7 this year :lol. Poor guy was shaking so badly he couldn’t even make a single shot in the 4th

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Game 6

LeBron: 32/10/11 on 51%TS
Kawhi: 22/11/0 on 70%TS

4th quarter/OT

LeBron: 18/4/4 on 8/14
Kawhi: 9/4/0 on 4/6, missed FT to clinch the title

You still only shot 51% TS and that's a -9 from normal for him, LeBron also bricked the 3 at the end? How is that clinching title? You mean ray allen clinched it, just like Irving clinched it.

Spurs just didn't use kawhi enough in their plays or they win, he played 45 minutes and had a 12 BPM that's goat level play.

[3ball]

FYI Roundball, there's many people and articles saying the Kyrie was MVP of the 16' Finals

It means the same as that 2 reporters saying pippen was MVP of the first 4 games in 98'

[GrayGoat]

FYI Roundball, there's many people and articles saying the Kyrie was MVP of the 16' Finals

It means the same as that 1 reporter saying pippen was MVP of the first 4 games

You are too embarrassed to post these “many” articles

[SouBeachTalents]

You still only shot 51% TS and that's a -9 from normal for him, LeBron also bricked the 3 at the end? How is that clinching title? You mean ray allen clinched it, just like Irving clinched it.

Spurs just didn't use kawhi enough in their plays or they win, he played 45 minutes and had a 12 BPM that's goat level play.
Since you like TS% so much

2013 Finals Game 7: 51%TS

2015 Clippers
Game 6: 34%TS
Game 7: 47%TS

2016 Thunder
Game 4: 48%TS
Game 5: 59%TS
Game 6: 44%TS

2019 76ers Game 7: 48%TS

2020 Clippers Game 7: 32%TS

[Ainosterhaspie]

HBK always trying to act like Kawhi isn't still at the kiddie table.

[3ball]

Since you like TS% so much

2013 Finals Game 7: 51%TS

2015 Clippers
Game 6: 34%TS
Game 7: 47%TS

2016 Thunder
Game 4: 48%TS
Game 5: 59%TS
Game 6: 44%TS

2019 76ers Game 7: 48%TS

2020 Clippers Game 7: 32%TS

Can you provide 1 time in lebron's career where he beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When did he have a carry-job against a good team?

[SouBeachTalents]

can you provide 1 time in lebron's career where he beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When did he have a carry-job against a good team?
2007 ecf

[RRR3]

Since you like TS% so much

2013 Finals Game 7: 51%TS

2015 Clippers
Game 6: 34%TS
Game 7: 47%TS

2016 Thunder
Game 4: 48%TS
Game 5: 59%TS
Game 6: 44%TS

2019 76ers Game 7: 48%TS

2020 Clippers Game 7: 32%TS
Jesus Christ I knew Kawhi was a choker but that is just laughable.

[3ball]

2007 ecf

^^^ that's the first direct response to one of my posts basically ever and I appreciate it

Unfortunately, the 07' Pistons only won 53 games with #6 SRS - they weren't anywhere near a top team

The reality is that lebron never won a Finals or beat a top 5 SRS team without good scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team

Otoh, MJ had a lot of carry-jobs against good teams

[tpols]

In 2013, Wade and Lebron had a negative +/- on the court together.

Just because Wade couldn't fit with Lebron doesn't mean Lebron "carried" anything. (ditto Bosh)

Right... he forms a superteam so strong, there was a wake of outrage never before seen, and now a decade later LBJ "carried" the cHeat.

:lol :facepalm

[RRR3]

In 2013, Wade and Lebron had a negative +/- on the court together.

Just because Wade couldn't fit with Lebron doesn't mean Lebron "carried" anything. (ditto Bosh)

Right... he forms a superteam so strong, there was a wake of outrage never before seen, and now a decade later LBJ "carried" the cHeat.

:lol :facepalm
LeBron has double the FMVPs your hero has. Tell us where it hurts.

[SouBeachTalents]

In 2013, Wade and Lebron had a negative +/- on the court together.

Just because Wade couldn't fit with Lebron doesn't mean Lebron "carried" anything. (ditto Bosh)

Right... he forms a superteam so strong, there was a wake of outrage never before seen, and now a decade later LBJ "carried" the cHeat.

:lol :facepalm
You pretending Wade didn't fall off significantly from 2010/11 to 2013/14 is immorally disingenuous. I know, I know, he had a nice playoff run in 2016, which is your automatic response to this, but we both know he still wasn't in the same stratosphere as prime Wade even then, especially so in the '13 & '14 playoffs

[Roundball_Rock]

You pretending Wade didn't fall off significantly from 2010/11 to 2013/14 is immorally disingenuous. I know, I know, he had a nice playoff run in 2016, which is your automatic response to this, but we both know he still wasn't in the same stratosphere as prime Wade even then, especially so in the '13 & '14 playoffs

Do any of them acknowledge he fell off? They present 13'/14' Wade as the same guy who was a top 3 player in 11'. It is a disservice to D Wade but we know why they do it...

[red1]

In 2013, Wade and Lebron had a negative +/- on the court together.

Just because Wade couldn't fit with Lebron doesn't mean Lebron "carried" anything. (ditto Bosh)

Right... he forms a superteam so strong, there was a wake of outrage never before seen, and now a decade later LBJ "carried" the cHeat.

:lol :facepalm

tpols you put up a valiant fight dude. campaigned as hard as anyone for your guy and he came close, guaranteed top 10.


its over dude. lebron>kobe. period. you dont need to keep hating all the time. :)

[red1]

LeBron has double the FMVPs your hero has. Tell us where it hurts.

Im a huge wade fan - he wasnt the same after 2011. he still showed out when it matters. bosh got abused by every center in the leauge including hibbert. :oldlol:


lebron was >>>>>> the rest of the league during those 4 years and tpols cant acknowledge it. :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

In 2013, Wade and Lebron had a negative +/- on the court together.

Just because Wade couldn't fit with Lebron doesn't mean Lebron "carried" anything. (ditto Bosh)

Right... he forms a superteam so strong, there was a wake of outrage never before seen, and now a decade later LBJ "carried" the cHeat.

:lol :facepalm

Wade was at fault for not fitting as a 2nd option

Couldn't shoot, space the floor, or stay healthy

He was absolutely atrocious as a 2nd option. Far worse than. Pau, Pippen, kareem, and any other notable championship 2nd option

Wade wouldn't fit with Kobe, Jordan, or Bird either.... Wade just sucks

[Honor Boost]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Hard to beat

[red1]

Wade was at fault for not fitting as a 2nd option

Couldn't shoot, space the floor, or stay healthy

He was absolutely atrocious as a 2nd option. Far worse than. Pau, Pippen, kareem, and any other notable championship 2nd option

Wade wouldn't fit with Kobe, Jordan, or Bird either.... Wade just sucks

hell no wtf. are you retarded?

[8Ball]

Can you provide 1 time in lebron's career where he beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Scottie Pippen in 1996 had a teammate with 41% fg in the finals.

[Roundball_Rock]

Let's play the MJ game. Let's compare PPG across eras for sidekicks.

1991: Worthy 19
1992: Porter 16
1993: Johnson 17
1996: Kemp 23
1997: Stockton 15
1998: Stockton 9.7
Avg.: 17

2007: Parker 25
2011: Terry 18
2012: Westbrook 27
2013: Parker 16
2014: Kawhi 18
2015: Klay 16
2016: Klay 20
2017: Curry 27
2018: Curry 28
2020: Bam 15
Avg.: 21

Summary

20+ scorers against MJ: Kemp
20+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Klay, Curry (2x)
25+ scorers against MJ: 0
25+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Curry (2x)

No wonder MJ stans never talk about what the competition did. In 6 finals, the comp got 20+ from their #2 option only once (and that impact was negated by their #1 being at 18). It is the same story in the ECF.

So in 12 Finals/ECFs in those finals runs, the competition's sidekick cleared 20+ PPG only twice. Damn. And MJ stains complain about a sidekick whose PO average for his prime was 20? :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

Let's play the MJ game. Let's compare PPG across eras for sidekicks.

1991: Worthy 19
1992: Porter 16
1993: Johnson 17
1996: Kemp 23
1997: Stockton 15
1998: Stockton 9.7
Avg.: 17

2007: Parker 25
2011: Terry 18
2012: Westbrook 27
2013: Parker 16
2014: Kawhi 18
2015: Klay 16
2016: Klay 20
2017: Curry 27
2018: Curry 28
2020: Bam 15
Avg.: 21

Summary

20+ scorers against MJ: Kemp
20+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Klay, Curry (2x)
25+ scorers against MJ: 0
25+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Curry (2x)

No wonder MJ stans never talk about what the competition did. In 6 finals, the comp got 20+ from their #2 option only once (and that impact was negated by their #1 being at 18). It is the same story in the ECF.

So in 12 Finals/ECFs in those finals runs, the competition's sidekick cleared 20+ PPG only twice. Damn. And MJ stains complain about a sidekick whose PO average for his prime was 20? :oldlol:
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg


Lite work

[3ball]

Let's play the MJ game. Let's compare PPG across eras for sidekicks.

1991: Worthy 19
1992: Porter 16
1993: Johnson 17
1996: Kemp 23
1997: Stockton 15
1998: Stockton 9.7
Avg.: 17

2007: Parker 25
2011: Terry 18
2012: Westbrook 27
2013: Parker 16
2014: Kawhi 18
2015: Klay 16
2016: Klay 20
2017: Curry 27
2018: Curry 28
2020: Bam 15
Avg.: 21

Summary

20+ scorers against MJ: Kemp
20+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Klay, Curry (2x)
25+ scorers against MJ: 0
25+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Curry (2x)

No wonder MJ stans never talk about what the competition did. In 6 finals, the comp got 20+ from their #2 option only once (and that impact was negated by their #1 being at 18). It is the same story in the ECF.

So in 12 Finals/ECFs in those finals runs, the competition's sidekick cleared 20+ PPG only twice. Damn. And MJ stains complain about a sidekick whose PO average for his prime was 20? :oldlol:

Lebron got 27 from Wade, 28 from Kyrie, and 26 from AD

So he had more than his opponents

Jordan got 19 from Pippen in 6 Finals, so that's the same that he faced, while getting destroyed at the #3 and #4 spots

That's why mj had to average goat ppg - pippen and the cast contributed the least ppg of any cast ever, so MJ had to get goat ppg.. otherwise, he wouldn't have to get goat ppg..

his cast is the lowest scoring cast ever

[3ball]

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Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat


Playoffs

14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm


Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg




Im a huge wade fan - he wasnt the same after 2011. he still showed out when it matters. bosh got abused by every center in the leauge including hibbert. :oldlol:


lebron was >>>>>> the rest of the league during those 4 years and tpols cant acknowledge it. :oldlol:

2012 Wade was better than any version of pippen

Then Wade fell to pippen level in 13/14, as shown above

That's why you guys think Wade sucked in 13/14 - it's because he fell to pippen level - it's annoying for any sidekick to be a spotty, inconsistent scorer regardless of anything else they're doing

[red1]

.
Comparing sidekick help while trying to 3-peat


Per 100 Possessions - Playoffs

14' Wade..... 18.5 PER.. 0.086 ws/48.. 1.6 obpm
93' Pippen... 16.9 PER.. 0.083 ws/48.. 1.1 obpm

14' Wade..... 28.6 pts.. 6.2 ast.. 56.0 ts.. 106 ortg
93' Pippen... 26.2 pts.. 7.4 ast.. 50.0 ts.. 102 ortg





2012 Wade was better than any version of pippen

Then Wade fell to pippen level in 13/14, as shown above

That's why you guys think Wade sucked in 13/14 - it's because he fell to pippen level - it's annoying for any sidekick to be a spotty, inconsistent scorer regardless of anything else they're doing

no its because he was hobbled and couldn't run. I know what a bad knee looks like and he was playing on a bum knee.

[red1]

Let's play the MJ game. Let's compare PPG across eras for sidekicks.

1991: Worthy 19
1992: Porter 16
1993: Johnson 17
1996: Kemp 23
1997: Stockton 15
1998: Stockton 9.7
Avg.: 17

2007: Parker 25
2011: Terry 18
2012: Westbrook 27
2013: Parker 16
2014: Kawhi 18
2015: Klay 16
2016: Klay 20
2017: Curry 27
2018: Curry 28
2020: Bam 15
Avg.: 21

Summary

20+ scorers against MJ: Kemp
20+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Klay, Curry (2x)
25+ scorers against MJ: 0
25+ scorers against LJ: Parker, Westbrook, Curry (2x)

No wonder MJ stans never talk about what the competition did. In 6 finals, the comp got 20+ from their #2 option only once (and that impact was negated by their #1 being at 18). It is the same story in the ECF.

So in 12 Finals/ECFs in those finals runs, the competition's sidekick cleared 20+ PPG only twice. Damn. And MJ stains complain about a sidekick whose PO average for his prime was 20? :oldlol:

3ball always loses :roll:

[3ball]

no its because he was hobbled and couldn't run. I know what a bad knee looks like and he was playing on a bum knee.

Wade played every game and maximum minutes, yet his his playoff stats in 14' > prime pippen in 93'

So you have no case.. the stats are what they are...

Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 2nd three-peat - Wade was never that consistently bad for ANY stretch of his career... 13/14 Wade = prime Pippen

[TheGoatest]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

Damn, LeBron leading his team in every category, whereas Jordan had a teammate who led his team in every category but one. :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Damn, LeBron leading his team in every category, whereas Jordan had a teammate who led his team in every category but one. :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Damn

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Damn

Rebounds are irrelevant because it isn't good for a SG to get 10 rebounds or steal rebounds from frontcourt players.. And steals/blocks are basically even and offset by turnovers

Otherwise, equal assists and double points = goat load

Carry on...

And MJ took more shots (he can't assist on these shots), so his assist percentage was much higher (28 to 21%) - indeed, MJ assisted 33% more often than Pippen, while doubling his scoring... aka goat load

[TheCorporation]

Rebounds are irrelevant because it isn't good for a SG to get 10 rebounds or steal rebounds from frontcourt players.. And steals/blocks are basically even and offset by turnovers

Otherwise, equal assists and double points = goat load

Carry on...

And MJ took more shots (he can't assist on these shots), so his assist percentage was much higher (28 to 21%) - indeed, MJ assisted 33% more often than Pippen, while doubling his scoring... aka goat load

https://i.postimg.cc/26qKkR0F/919293969798wow.jpg

[Wally450]

Why did Jordan average 4 rebounds and 3 assists in the 98 Finals.

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/26qKkR0F/919293969798wow.jpg

lebron SHARES the scoring load, while mj CARRIES the scoring load

And still leads the bulls in passing

MJ averaged equal assists to pippen on less available shots (because he took more shots and can't assist on these shots)..

so his assist percentage was much higher - 28 to 21%... he was assisting 33% more often than Pippen while doubling his scoring.. aka goat load

[MadDog]

LeBron fans ahdere to career totals, but when you tell them Kareem > LeBron in points/rebounds/blocks/shooting they bowl over :oldlol: And don't think about switching to "PER GAME" either. Your deity is beat there too *Jordan enters the chat*

[TheCorporation]

LeBron fans ahdere to career totals, but when you tell them Kareem > LeBron in points/rebounds/blocks/shooting they bowl over :oldlol: And don't think about switching to "PER GAME" either. Your deity is beat there too *Jordan enters the chat*

Kareem is third in playofff points :lol
MJ is second
LeGoat is first

Keep. Up.

[Keno]

https://i.postimg.cc/15ZxGtnd/DaddyPipCarriesMJ.png

Damn

hahahah how embarrassing. imagine being called the 'goat' when you have one job to do. meanwhile legoat needs to do everything for his team to even stand a fighting chance, levels to this shit.

[TheCorporation]

hahahah how embarrassing. imagine being called the 'goat' when you have one job to do. meanwhile legoat needs to do everything for his team to even stand a fighting chance, levels to this shit.


BIG levels to this shit

[Roundball_Rock]

3ball always loses :roll:

Yes, he does. He is a jizz rag who gets "trains" run on him in thread after thread. :lol

More losing :pimp: :

Another reason MJ stans don't talk about the scoring of the comp follows below. Forget sidekicks. Let's check perimeter #1's (because their FG % is more apples to apples than comparing a 7'4" C to a SF who took threes and mid-range shots for most of his attempts) in the Finals/ECF. Let's apply their own metric they use for MJ's teammates--PPG and FG %--to #1's on the comp.

Perimeter #1's Vs. the Bulls (1991-1998)

91' ECF Isiah 17 on 41%
91' Finals Magic 19 on 43%
92' ECF Price 19 on 48%
92' Finals Drexler 25 on 41%
96' Finals Payton 18 on 44%
97' ECF Hardaway 17 on 35%
98' ECF Miller 17 on 42%

So in these 7 series, the opposing #1 cleared 20+ only once and they were below 44% shooting in 6 of 7 series. Zero above 50%. Yet they complain about Pippen's scoring as a 2nd option when this is what perimeter #1 stars were doing? :lol

The false impression they want to convey is 20 PPG is bad for a sidekick because there were all these other sidekicks putting up 25-30 PPG in that era when perimeter #1's weren't even doing that (it was only MJ, and Wilkins on bad or average teams--Drexler was 23 PPG for his prime from 1988-1995).


Why did Jordan average 4 rebounds and 3 assists in the 98 Finals.

It was actually 2 assists. :lol You must be thinking of Kerr who averaged 3 in half of MJ's minutes (granted, we are talking 2.5 rounded versus 2.3).

[Ben Simmons]

I didnt actually realize he did this for both teams until just now lol

[Roundball_Rock]

Here is what percentage of total points in a series their sidekicks scored. I excluded Game 5 of the 97' ECF because Pippen played only 7 minutes and excluded the 2 games Irving missed in the 15' ECF (I took his average in games played and put it against the average points scored for both teams in the series).

You will never guess who had slightly more help when you adjust for series where teams were scoring 168 versus series where teams were scoring 237!

Sidekick Share of Total Points Scored in Finals/ECF


1991 ECF: Pippen 11%
1991 Finals: Pippen 11%
1992 ECF: Pippen 10%
1992 Finals: Pippen 10%
1993 ECF: Pippen 12%
1993 Finals: Pippen 10%
1996 ECF: Pippen 10%
1996 Finals: Pippen 9%
1997 ECF: Pippen 13%
1997 Finals: Pippen 11%
1998 ECF: Pippen 9%
1998 Finals: Pippen 10%
Avg.: Pippen 10.5%

2011 ECF: Wade 11%
2011 Finals: Wade 14%
2012 ECF: Wade 11%
2012 Finals: Wade 11%
2013 ECF: Wade 8%
2013 Finals: Wade 10%
2014 ECF: Wade 10%
2014 Finals: Wade 8%
Avg.: Wade 10.4%

2015 ECF: Irving 7% (when he played—missed half the series)
2015 Finals: Smith 6%
2016 ECF: Irving 12%
2016 Finals: Irving 14%
2017 ECF: Irving 12%
2017 Finals: Irving 12%
2018 ECF: Love 6%
2018 Finals: Love 9%
Cavs II Avg.: 9.8%

[HylianNightmare]

*shortened season
*ray allen
*kyrie
*scrimmage

2 eZ

[aceman]

Bulls only won with Pippen & Jordan. Without power forward = grant or rodman even pip & mj weren't enough

[Gray GOAT]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

LeCarry.

[Roundball_Rock]

Bulls only won with Pippen & Jordan. Without power forward = grant or rodman even pip & mj weren't enough

Yup. Why do people ignore this? We saw the Bulls without Rodman/Grant one year in the playoffs and we know what happened. That role was so important, MJ came back and the Bulls did worse in the playoffs with MJ/Pippen than they did with Pippen/Grant. The result was losing in the second round but they went from 6-4 to 6-5 and they played the Knicks closer (they actually outscored the Knicks in the series) than they did the Magic in 95'.

[3ball]

Yup. Why do people ignore this? We saw the Bulls without Rodman/Grant one year in the playoffs and we know what happened. That role was so important, MJ came back and the Bulls did worse in the playoffs with MJ/Pippen than they did with Pippen/Grant. The result was losing in the second round but they went from 6-4 to 6-5 and they played the Knicks closer (they actually outscored the Knicks in the series) than they did the Magic in 95'.

Everyone knows that MJ was coming back from baseball and wasn't the same, especially in clutch moments.. the advanced stats tell the story if you need statistical backup

And lebron never had a carry-job against a top team and therefore doesn't compare to Jordan, who had many

Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick... So he's trash to me and lacks the scoring ability to carry teams against good opponents

[Roundball_Rock]

Revisionism after the fact. The Bulls were considered legitimate contenders going into the 95' playoffs because Jordan was back, Pippen was a top 5 player in his peak, and they closed the season strong (24-10 after the all-star break and 13-4 with MJ).

Jordan himself pointed to being "a Horace Grant away" when he spoke about why they lost.

[3ball]

Revisionism after the fact. The Bulls were considered legitimate contenders going into the 95' playoffs because Jordan was back, Pippen was a top 5 player in his peak, and they closed the season strong (24-10 after the all-star break and 13-4 with MJ).

Jordan himself pointed to being "a Horace Grant away" when he spoke about why they lost.

Pippen was a top 5 player just like Paul George is - they both got #3 in MVP

pippen was nowhere near top 5 and that's the consensus

Anyway, the common thinking in 95' was that MJ wasn't the same coming back from baseball - this was the common thinking and you're revising history by saying otherwise..

You never watched MJ though so you don't realize he wasn't the same..

And lebron never had a carry-job against a top team and therefore doesn't compare to Jordan, who had many

Lebron never beat a top 5 SRS team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick... So he's trash and lacks the scoring ability to carry teams against good opponents

[Roundball_Rock]

Yeah. You know who else peaked at #3 in MVP? Wade, Davis.

Ewing? Never got to 3rd--peaked at 4th. Miller? Never cracked the top 10, when he got MVP votes he was tied with a teammate each of those two years in 5th place votes. Stockton? Never cracked the top 5.

George made one first/second all-NBA team in his career; Pippen made three first teams (as a comparison, Drexler and Ewing combined made 2 in their careers) and two seconds (would have been a third if he played the full season in 98').

George hasn't been on that level outside of the year--a level that caused you to say PG>AD, no?

[MadDog]

Pippen is like what PG is now, except a more willing/consistent defender. This Roundball_Rock guy thinks Pippen was Tim Duncan though. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Yeah. You know who else peaked at #3 in MVP? Wade, Davis.

Ewing? Never got to 3rd--peaked at 4th. Miller? Never cracked the top 10, when he got MVP votes he was tied with a teammate each of those two years in 5th place votes. Stockton? Never cracked the top 5.

George made one first/second all-NBA team in his career; Pippen made three first teams (as a comparison, Drexler and Ewing combined made 2 in their careers) and two seconds (would have been a third if he played the full season in 98').

George hasn't been on that level outside of the year--a level that caused you to say PG>AD, no?

The entire argument is that pippen's weak production and 2nd option role was inflated by the winning spotlight - the inflation is the accolades, yet you bring up all-nba to say pippen is better - pippen would have zero all-nba without 6 rings inflating him... 16/5 guys with bad efficiency aren't all-nba... except pippen because he won rings as MJ's sidekick.. pippen was a role player/glue guy that needed the triangle otherwise he wasn't even 2nd option

[Hey Yo]

The entire argument is that pippen's weak production and 2nd option role was inflated by the winning spotlight - the inflation is the accolades, yet you bring up all-nba to say pippen is better - pippen would have zero all-nba without 6 rings inflating him... 16/5 guys with bad efficiency aren't all-nba... except pippen because he won rings as MJ's sidekick.. pippen was a role player/glue guy that needed the triangle otherwise he wasn't even 2nd option
LOL @ thinking All-NBA voting is done after the Finals.


dumb

[And1AllDay]

hahahah how embarrassing. imagine being called the 'goat' when you have one job to do. meanwhile legoat needs to do everything for his team to even stand a fighting chance, levels to this shit.

all he had to do was score and that boi still the runner up :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

LOL @ thinking All-NBA voting is done after the Finals.


dumb

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

LOL @ thinking All-NBA voting is done after the Finals.


dumb

i cant take the guy seriously anymore he doesnt know shit about ball, just copy pastes from his files that are wrong :oldlol:

i feel bad he is bullied on every nba site but he brings it on him

[3ball]

LOL @ thinking All-NBA voting is done after the Finals.


dumb

He wasn't even all-star in 91', but was immediately all-nba in 92' after winning that first ring

then he got undeserved all-nba every year like kobe's all-defense.. it was just an automatic thing the media did

until he left the bosum of the triangle and suddenly looked crappy

[And1AllDay]

He wasn't even all-star in 91', but was immediately all-nba in 92' after winning that first ring

then he got undeserved all-nba every year like kobe's all-defense.. it was just an automatic thing the media did

until he left the bosum of the triangle and suddenly looked crappy

bruh why did you say rings boosted his all nbas when the vote before the end of the finals :oldlol: back pedaling yikes

[3ball]

bruh why did you say rings boosted his all nbas when the vote before the end of the finals :oldlol: back pedaling yikes

The rings boosted his perception, so he got more all-nba than he deserved

Even the media would probably admit this

A 16/5 bricklayer with weak efficiency doesn't deserve 8 all-nba.. he got 8 because of the rings

[Roundball_Rock]

bruh why did you say rings boosted his all nbas when the vote before the end of the finals :oldlol: back pedaling yikes

:lol

Also note he is backpedaling to "rings." I believe he said "finals" earlier but don't feel like looking it up.

Pippen is ranked 21st by ESPN, 22nd by Slam, 25th by Backpicks, and 28th by Bill Simmons. 1-9ball can't deal with it. :pimp:

[1987_Lakers]

The rings boosted his perception, so he got more all-nba than he deserved

Even the media would probably admit this

A 16/5 bricklayer with weak efficiency doesn't deserve 8 all-nba.. he got 8 because of the rings

Scottie made All-NBA First Team and led Chicago to 55 wins without MJ.

[Roundball_Rock]

Scottie made All-NBA First Team and led Chicago to 55 wins without MJ.

He made all-NBA first team both years without MJ in his prime (made one first team with MJ). A sane person would look at that and conclude that suggests playing with MJ deflated his accolades. That wouldn't be surprising. Jordan took so much of the spotlight and credit.

Worthy, McHale, Parish, Parker, Irving, Love, Klay, Bosh, and Dumars all made a ton of finals too. These HOF players combined made one first team in their careers.

The best part? The same people who say Pippen sucked will tell you how awesome Dan Majerle and Jeff Hornaek were. :oldlol:

[3ball]

.

SB Nation details the Spurs' exploitation of Lebron/Wade's poor fit


There's a reason Miami is struggling when lebron/wade are on the floor together.. The Spurs' defensive strategy throughout the playoffs has been simple: identify players who aren't good spot-up shooters and help mercilessly off them to cramp the space of penetrators.

Wade has been one of the players San Antonio identified as a poor spot-up shooter that can be helped off mercilessly. That has cramped LeBron's space when the two are in together. The inverse is also true: the Spurs are shrinking Wade's space by helping off LeBron.

However, when one of the two is out of the game in favor of additional perimeter shooting, there's nobody the Spurs can help off, giving LeBron and Wade more space to be themselves and attack San Antonio's air-tight schemes.

https://www.sbnation.com/2013/6/19/4444164/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-heat-spurs-nba-finals-game-6


TLDR: the Spurs forced Wade and Lebron to be spot-up shooters by leaving them open when the other guy drives.. otoh, Jordan was an elite spot-up shooter and off-ball player, so the Spurs couldn't employ their strategy and would lose.. otoh, the Spurs perfected their strategy in 14' and destroyed the Heat

[3ball]

He made all-NBA first team both years without MJ in his prime (made one first team with MJ). A sane person would look at that and conclude that suggests playing with MJ deflated his accolades. That wouldn't be surprising. Jordan took so much of the spotlight and credit.

It is dumb logic too. Being in the finals or other big series puts the spotlight on you and that can cut either way depending on how you do. Interestingly, when Bosh, Love got that spotlight on them they never made all-NBA again. Irving has done it only once since 2015. Hmm...




^^^ See, that's "interesting" to you because you lack understanding, so you don't know why things happen

His ball-dominance turns teammates into spot-up shooters, even if they aren't good shooters - the Spurs specifically exploited this, as SB Nation described in the previous post above.

Ultimately, Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stalls young players, thereby requiring ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning)..





Worthy, McHale, Parker, Irving, Klay, etc. made a ton of finals. These HOF players combined made one first team in their careers.




Those guys were all reduced by being part of big 3's and therein lies the rub - only jordan won so much WITHOUT a big 3, so pippen gets more credit than he deserves

[Roundball_Rock]

Jordan won 5 of his 6 rings with the #1 SRS team; LeBron won 4x without the best team. You love SRS, right? Jordan needed the best team to win multiple chips; LeBron didn't, per your own preferred metric.

The Bulls even without MJ, Rodman, Grant had a better SRS than the Knicks, Pacers and were on par with the Suns. No other team in that era could lose its 1st, 3rd best player and do that. :bowdown:

[Shooter]

:lol

Also note he is backpedaling to "rings." I believe he said "finals" earlier but don't feel like looking it up.

Pippen is ranked 21st by ESPN, 22nd by Slam, 25th by Backpicks, and 28th by Bill Simmons. 1-9ball can't deal with it. :pimp:

Who cares if Pippen was an MJ teammate that made 6x All NBA and 7x All Defense (not including his 1994 stuff)
13 total selections :lol All of LBJ's combined teammates got like 5 :roll: :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Who cares if Pippen was an MJ teammate that made 6x All NBA and 7x All Defense (not including his 1994 stuff)
13 total selections :lol All of LBJ's combined teammates got like 5 :roll: :roll:

:lol

[3ball]

Who cares if Pippen was an MJ teammate that made 6x All NBA and 7x All Defense (not including his 1994 stuff)
13 total selections :lol All of LBJ's combined teammates got like 5 :roll: :roll:

Pippen was a 2nd option, not an elite 1st option like other all-nba players

He didn't deserve it.. and the stats show that, especially his peak stats compared to others

[Trollsmasher]

Jordan never carried a team to a ring because he never won a legitimate ring

[Shooter]

Pippen was a 2nd option, not an elite 1st option like other all-nba players

He didn't deserve it.. and the stats show that, especially his peak stats compared to others

Really? I thought Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

[3ball]

Really? I thought Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?





93' Finals

Majerle... 17 on 59 ts.. 1.1 tov
Pippen.... 21 on 45 ts.. 4.3 tov

advantage: Majerle


97' Finals

Pippen'...... 20.0 ppg... 3.5 apg... 42% fg
Stockton... 15.0 ppg... 8.8 apg... 50% fg

advantage: Stockton


96' Finals

Pippen.... 15 on 34%
S Kemp... 23 on 50%

advantage: Kemp


Pippen in 6 Finals = 19/7/5 on 42% = Paul George (at best)

[Roundball_Rock]

Really? I thought Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

Yup, he did it 5 of 6 times in the finals and 5 of 6 times in the ECF. The opposing second option cleared 20+ PPG only 2x in those 12 series (both in 96' incidentally). Pippen did it 4x in 6 finals and 4x in 6 ECF (excluding Game 5 of 97', where he played only 7 minutes). One year he didn't do it he was at 19 in the ECF.

We are talking 20+ PPG here. As you know, Stockton didn't get to double digits in the 98' finals unless we round up for him.

Moreover, these are second options. What were first options scoring? I looked up what perimeter #1's did in these series (since MJ stains like to invoke FG % and perimeter vs. perimeter makes sense in a way comparing a post player to a perimeter player doesn't, given the nature of shots these players took back then):

Perimeter #1's Vs. the Bulls (1991-1998)

91' ECF Isiah 17 on 41%
91' Finals Magic 19 on 43%
92' ECF Price 19 on 48%
92' Finals Drexler 25 on 41%
96' Finals Payton 18 on 44%
97' ECF Hardaway 17 on 35%
98' ECF Miller 17 on 42%

Again, we see 20+ cleared only 1x of 7 tries and no one was above 50%. Other than Magic, no one was above 44%.

[Shooter]

93' Finals

Majerle... 18 on 60 ts.. 1.1 tov
Pippen.... 21 on 45 ts.. 4.3 tov

advantage: Majerle


97' Finals

Pippen'...... 20.0 ppg... 3.5 apg... 42% fg
Stockton... 15.0 ppg... 8.8 apg... 50% fg

advantage: Stockton


96' Finals

Pippen.... 15 on 34%
S Kemp... 23 on 50%

advantage: Kemp


Pippen in 6 Finals = 19/7/5 on 42% = Paul George (at best)

1st off, Pippen outscored Dan Majerle

PPGz right? Your favorite measure to use?

2nd, Pippen outscored Stockton

3rd, Kemp was the FIRST option on the Sonics but that's how weak they are :lol You had to compare the #1 option vs your #2 option and you still failed

Carry on with your fraud

[3ball]

1st off, Pippen outscored Dan Majerle

PPGz right? Your favorite measure to use?

2nd, Pippen outscored Stockton

3rd, Kemp was the FIRST option on the Sonics but that's how weak they are :lol You had to compare the #1 option vs your #2 option and you still failed

Carry on with your fraud

You see the stats.. pippen was a homeless man's Westbrick.. literally a BAD offensive player that was outscored in 30% of playoff series from 89-98', and outplayed in 50%

[Roundball_Rock]

Majerle was the third option--he is ashamed of KJ choking in the series. KJ was so bad he got benched at one point and the Suns' home crowd cheered his benching...

These idiots act like Majerle had a good series (Pippen was 21/9/8). Majerle scored 18 and gave up 41 on the other end. MJ doesn't work as an excuse either. MJ never came close to 41 in any of his other finals.

Stockton? He only took open shots. His percentages are worthless.


But Stockton’s regular season efficiency is deceptive. He wasn’t an unstoppable force like Shaq, nor did he gain an advantage with marksmanship like Reggie Miller or Steph Curry. Instead, his efficiency was fueled by conservatism — he shot well because he only took premium shots. Look at what happens to Stockton’s profile in the playoffs — it (literally) shrinks. Despite the selectivity, his efficiency fell off along with his scoring


As that chart hints at, the playoffs exposed these weaknesses in Stockton. In 87 postseason games against teams with a defensive rating under 105, Stockton averaged 13.5 points per 36 on 57 percent true shooting, down from 15.5 and 62 percent in the regular season against such competition. Perhaps most importantly, his Box Creation in those games was only around 5 per 100, more inline with the sampling from the scouting report and drastically below some of his regular season estimations. In other words, he wasn’t breaking down defenses the way his assist numbers would suggest.


Stockton’s inability to pressure opponents and create havoc in the lane significantly dampened his impact as an offensive dynamo. Great players don’t have to score, but their threat to score generates global impact. Stockton simply wasn’t capable of this: He scored over 30 points just 11 times in his 11-year prime (1.2 percent of games), and hoisted over 20 true shot attempts just 2.4 percent of the time. This pales in comparison to the great 3-point era point guards, who could call their own number if the defense didn’t respect their scoring enough.

https://backpicks.com/2018/01/25/backpicks-goat-25-john-stockton/

Finally, what they don't tell you is Pippen was more efficient than MJ in the 97' finals. If Pippen was inefficient per them, then...

You know the deal. It is all smoke and mirrors from these clowns because the plain facts don't back them up.

[Shooter]

You see the stats.. pippen was a homeless man's Westbrick.. literally a BAD offensive player


So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

[Roundball_Rock]

So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

That is the logical conclusion, isn't it? There was one other HOF sidekick in the 90's: Stockton. Name another top 30 all-time player who never finished top 5 in MVP. That tells you all you need to know about his "peak." For reference, see this:

https://backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Pippen-seasonal-valuations.png

https://backpicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Stockton-seasonal-valuations.png

One player was MVP caliber for most of his prime; the other guy never sniffed that level. Why are we told the latter was vastly better than the former? You know the answer: the superior player played with, not against MJ.

[dbugz]

sit your fat @ss down

you got libron behind MJ and even considered a flawless MJ at # 1

https://i.postimg.cc/bw9Kysfk/222222.png


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Majerle was the third option--he is ashamed of KJ choking in the series.

These idiots act like Majerle had a good series. Majerle scored 18 and gave up 41 on the other end. MJ doesn't work as an excuse either. MJ never came close to 41 in any of his other finals.

Pippen let rookie Dumas (5th option) average 16 on 57% and win the critical Game 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzIKvx9gmk&t=07m39s

[Shooter]

Pippen let rookie Dumas (5th option) average 16 on 57% and win the critical Game 5

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzIKvx9gmk&t=07m39s

Wrong.
During the 1989 ECF MJ plays 46 min and takes 8 shots, scores 18 in a loss. This decisive game for the series and he gave up. This is why they lost.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/198905310DET.html

[Roundball_Rock]

sit your fat @ss down

you got libron behind MJ and even considered a flawless MJ at # 1

https://i.postimg.cc/bw9Kysfk/222222.png


:roll: :roll: :roll:

And? :confusedshrug:


Wrong.

Notice they cherry pick random things to make MJ's teammates look bad but won't say a single word about what the other "stars" did in these series? Take Stockton, for example. They never say a word about what he actually did in those 12 games. His stats, such as they were, were empty calories. That's why. He piloted an offense to 80 PPG scored in a finals. That's pathetic. Name another PG who did that in the shot clock era.

[3ball]

So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

Pippen was a bad scorer and the triangle got those stats..... along with being left wide open from the attention paid mj

But even the triangle and MJ couldn't stop pippen from being outscored in 1/3 of series and outplayed in literally half

(aka pippen outscored smits 16.6 to 16.3 in the 98' ECF, but smits shot 55% to 39% for pip)

Jordan three-peated twice with a Paul George sidekick, except pippen got worse stats

[Shooter]

Pippen was a bad scorer and the triangle got those stats..... along with being wide open from the attention paid mj

But even the triangle and MJ couldn't stop pippen from being outscored in 1/3 of series and outplayed in literally half

(aka pippen outscored smits 16.6 to 16.3 in the 98' ECF, but smits shot 55% to 39% for pip)

So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

[dbugz]

And? :confusedshrug:



Notice they cherry pick random things to make MJ's teammates look bad but won't say a single word about what the other "stars" did in these series? Take Stockton, for example. They never say a word about what he actually did in those 12 games. His stats, such as they were, were empty calories. That's why. He piloted an offense to 80 PPG scored in a finals. That's pathetic. Name another PG who did that in the shot clock era.

no coming back from this

https://i.postimg.cc/bw9Kysfk/222222.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8CYRvQ2w/Screenshot2.png

MJ > libron right? :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?

He thinks Pippen was left "wide open." :roll:

He thinks Rik Smits outplayed Pippen in the ECF when MJ, Pippen, Kukoc were the best players in the Bulls-Pacers series (in that order). :roll:

1-9ball never watched MJ play. Kuniva is on to something when he says 1-9ball is a "reformed Kobe stan."

[dbugz]

He thinks Pippen was left "wide open." :roll:

He thinks Rik Smits outplayed Pippen in the ECF. :roll:

1-9ball never watched MJ play. Kuniva is on to something when he says 1-9ball is a "reformed Kobe stan."

Mj > libron is all that matters :roll:

[3ball]

So again, just so we are clear because you get derailed very easily

Pippen outscored his Finals #2 opponent 5 of 6 times? Was the 90s just a bush league era then?
who cares about outscoring the #2 option when Kyrie outscored the #1 option in every series of the 2016 Playoffs

Wade did the same in 2011

AD did it in 2020

So lebron's 2nd options are on a superior level to Pippen... They outscore #1 options, while Pippen was outscored by #2 options in 33% of playoff series.. they routinely outscored #1 options, while pippen basically never did

[1987_Lakers]

who cares about outscoring the #2 option when Kyrie outscored the #1 option in every series of the 2016 Playoffs

Wade did the same in 2011

AD did it in 2020

So lebron's 2nd options are on a superior level to Pippen... They outscore #1 options, while Pippen was outscored by #2 options in 33% of playoff series

How has Kyrie done without LeBron? Did "bird fed" AD ever make it out of the 2nd round without Bron?

We all know Pippen made All-NBA First team in '94 and made a WCF in '00, all without MJ.

[dbugz]

How has Kyrie done without LeBron? Did "bird fed" AD ever make it out of the 2nd round without Bron?

We all know Pippen made All-NBA First team in '94 and made a WCF in '00, all without MJ.

according to your fellow fantard, mj is flawless, care to argue? :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

How has Kyrie done without LeBron? Did "bird fed" AD ever make it out of the 2nd round without Bron?

We all know Pippen made All-NBA First team in '94 and made a WCF in '00, all without MJ.

:lol

The scoring stuff is deceptive, like anything MJ stains do. Here is the sidekick share of total points scored in the Finals/ECF. You will never guess who had slightly more help when you adjust for series where teams were scoring 168 versus series where teams were scoring 237!

Sidekick Share of Total Points Scored in Finals/ECF


1991 ECF: Pippen 11%
1991 Finals: Pippen 11%
1992 ECF: Pippen 10%
1992 Finals: Pippen 10%
1993 ECF: Pippen 12%
1993 Finals: Pippen 10%
1996 ECF: Pippen 10%
1996 Finals: Pippen 9%
1997 ECF: Pippen 13%
1997 Finals: Pippen 11%
1998 ECF: Pippen 9%
1998 Finals: Pippen 10%
Avg.: Pippen 10.5%

2011 ECF: Wade 11%
2011 Finals: Wade 14%
2012 ECF: Wade 11%
2012 Finals: Wade 11%
2013 ECF: Wade 8%
2013 Finals: Wade 10%
2014 ECF: Wade 10%
2014 Finals: Wade 8%
Avg.: Wade 10.4%

2015 ECF: Irving 7% (when he played—missed half the series)
2015 Finals: Smith 6%
2016 ECF: Irving 12%
2016 Finals: Irving 14%
2017 ECF: Irving 12%
2017 Finals: Irving 12%
2018 ECF: Love 6%
2018 Finals: Love 9%
Cavs II Avg.: 9.8%

[dbugz]

:lol

The scoring stuff is deceptive, like anything MJ stains do. Here is the sidekick share of total points scored in the Finals/ECF. You will never guess who had slightly more help when you adjust for series where teams were scoring 168 versus series where teams were scoring 237!

Sidekick Share of Total Points Scored in Finals/ECF


1991 ECF: Pippen 11%
1991 Finals: Pippen 11%
1992 ECF: Pippen 10%
1992 Finals: Pippen 10%
1993 ECF: Pippen 12%
1993 Finals: Pippen 10%
1996 ECF: Pippen 10%
1996 Finals: Pippen 9%
1997 ECF: Pippen 13%
1997 Finals: Pippen 11%
1998 ECF: Pippen 9%
1998 Finals: Pippen 10%
Avg.: Pippen 10.5%

2011 ECF: Wade 11%
2011 Finals: Wade 14%
2012 ECF: Wade 11%
2012 Finals: Wade 11%
2013 ECF: Wade 8%
2013 Finals: Wade 10%
2014 ECF: Wade 10%
2014 Finals: Wade 8%
Avg.: Wade 10.4%

2015 ECF: Irving 7% (when he played—missed half the series)
2015 Finals: Smith 6%
2016 ECF: Irving 12%
2016 Finals: Irving 14%
2017 ECF: Irving 12%
2017 Finals: Irving 12%
2018 ECF: Love 6%
2018 Finals: Love 9%
Cavs II Avg.: 9.8%

https://i.postimg.cc/bw9Kysfk/222222.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8CYRvQ2w/Screenshot2.png

no coming back from these :roll:

MJ is flawless :bowdown:

[3ball]

How has Kyrie done without LeBron? Did "bird fed" AD ever make it out of the 2nd round without Bron?

We all know Pippen made All-NBA First team in '94 and made a WCF in '00, all without MJ.


pippen was nothing without the perfect setup - 7 years of grooming and a 3-peat strategy/system equaled 55 wins and 2nd round sucking, just like Lowry or Marc Gasol, aka everyone... Then he was a .500 bum the next year after the 3-peat luster was gone and the playoffs had exposed him

That was peak pippen.. 21 on 40% in the 2nd Round and destroyed by Ewing.. Kukoc had higher BPM in those playoffs, while grant/kukoc/bj had higher WS/48... Pippen simply wasn't a 1st option.... he was.... "a pippen"

Pippen never averaged 27 and 29 in the Finals like Kyrie, AD, and Wade or otherwise "carried" or "dominated".. his peak was 21 in the Finals and 19 on 42% overall.. he had 16 on 40% in 2 Finals, 4 ECF, and the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF.. 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs.. 12 on 42% vs 88-90' Pistons.

Only Jordan kept this guy on the map..

Btw, Pippen was 87th option in 00'.. he was a joke... And the 99' rockets couldn't win with him at 3rd option (more stacked than any Bulls team)

[Mr. Woke]

3ball keeps getting destroyed lol.

LeBron is simply better/more likable than MJ.

[3ball]

3ball keeps getting destroyed lol.

LeBron is simply better/more likable than MJ.

No my last post just killed everyone's dreams.. you're just lying to protect your fellow lebron Stan'

[dbugz]

3ball winning again.

he made Roundball_Rock chose MJ over libron :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Mr. Woke]

No my last post just killed everyone's dreams.. you're just lying to protect your fellow lebron Stan'

Not at all.

If you want to keep living in denial, be my guest.

[Roundball_Rock]

3ball keeps getting destroyed lol.


It is embarrassing. He gets jizzed on in every thread.

[dbugz]

It is embarrassing. He gets jizzed on in every thread.

https://i.postimg.cc/bw9Kysfk/222222.png

https://i.postimg.cc/8CYRvQ2w/Screenshot2.png

3ball destroyed you, admit it :oldlol:

[3ball]

Not at all.

If you want to keep living in denial, be my guest.

Thread reached 10 pages in like a day

So I'm hitting all kinds of nerves

A 1-man wrecking crew.. you can't address or refute the point being made

When did lebron have a carry-job against a top team? When did he beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

[8Ball]

3ball keeps getting destroyed lol.

LeBron is simply better/more likable than MJ.

This.

It's been 13 days now I and have enjoyed every single day since Oct 11. Seeing 3ball having a meltdown every day is so enjoyable.

[Roundball_Rock]

This.

It's been 13 days now I and have enjoyed every single day since Oct 11. Seeing 3ball having a meltdown every day is so enjoyable.

He is systematically being destroyed point by point. He is reduced to arguing MJ>LeBron because MJ was more popular.

[3ball]

He is systematically being destroyed point by point. He is reduced to arguing MJ>LeBron because MJ was more popular.

When did Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team (good team) with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When did he have a carry-job against a good team?

[Shooter]

Thread reached 10 pages in like a day

So I'm hitting all kinds of nerves

A 1-man wrecking crew.. you can't address or refute the point being made

When did lebron have a carry-job against a top team? When did he beat a top team with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

Mister One Through Five


Play all positions

Guard all positions


https://i.postimg.cc/fWtwv8cK/LNDin-DFp-400x400.jpg

[Lebron23]

This is what carrying a basketball team looks like, not just scoring.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJ2XXNH2/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

This

[Koresh]

Wade averaged 20/5/5 on 47%

^^^ prime pippen stats

Lebron needed at least prime pippen to win a Finals

And lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, so he needed Ray to force game 7... He averaged 25 on 44% overall and was a net negative for the series

ANYONE can average 16 on 39% and 25 overall with net negative.. lebron was horrible but Ray saved him

Kblaze, why don't you ban this asshole? What are you waiting for? This dude hasn't watched the NBA since 2011 and then says bullshit like this. LeBron James scored 16 points in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and then ties the game with a 3-pointer to tie the game, but Ray Allen saves him. The game goes to overtime, but Ray Allen saves him. The same Ray Allen who didn't even score one point in game 7.

This is clear he hasn't watched this game and doesn't want facts. This is just straight trolling and you continue to let this dude post on this forum. I don't understand. People who actually want NBA games know the truth. Ray Allen didn't force a Game 7. Game 6 went to overtime. Ray Allen didn't score a single point in game 7.

How do you score 16 points in the 4th quarter in the NBA Finals and then claim someone else bailed him out when he is the one responsible for the game being tied in the final 2 minutes in the first place? Enough is enough. Ban this cocksmith.

[dbugz]

Kblaze, why don't you ban this asshole? What are you waiting for? This dude hasn't watched the NBA since 2011 and then says bullshit like this. LeBron James scored 16 points in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and then ties the game with a 3-pointer to tie the game, but Ray Allen saves him. The game goes to overtime, but Ray Allen saves him. The same Ray Allen who didn't even score one point in game 7.

This is clear he hasn't watched this game and doesn't want facts. This is just straight trolling and you continue to let this dude post on this forum. I don't understand. People who actually want NBA games know the truth. Ray Allen didn't force a Game 7. Game 6 went to overtime. Ray Allen didn't score a single point in game 7.

How do you score 16 points in the 4th quarter in the NBA Finals and then claim someone else bailed him out when he is the one responsible for the game being tied in the final 2 minutes in the first place? Enough is enough. Ban this cocksmith.

another triggered libron fan.

3ball destroying all these delusional fantards :oldlol:

[GrayGoat]

another triggered libron fan.

3ball destroying all these delusional fantards :oldlol:

You still type like a prepubescent foaming at the mouth little boy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt and say you were 14 when you joined that puts you at 26 now. Garbage poster :oldlol:

[dbugz]

You still type like a prepubescent foaming at the mouth little boy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt and say you were 14 when you joined that puts you at 26 now. Garbage poster :oldlol:

can't handle the truth, libron fantards on panic mode :oldlol:

https://media.tenor.com/images/45864b0fab6b90a84605ffbb610f6944/tenor.gif

[8Ball]

When did Lebron beat a top 5 SRS team (good team) with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick?

When did he have a carry-job against a good team?

Swept a 59 win 2018 Raptors team that had a higher SRS than most of Jordan's eastern conference opponents.

[8Ball]

can't handle the truth, libron fantards on panic mode :oldlol:

https://media.tenor.com/images/45864b0fab6b90a84605ffbb610f6944/tenor.gif

How are we triggered? :lol


We won the chip 15 days ago and have enjoyed every single day since then.

[SATAN]

Kblaze, why don't you ban this asshole? What are you waiting for? This dude hasn't watched the NBA since 2011 and then says bullshit like this. LeBron James scored 16 points in the 4th quarter of Game 6 and then ties the game with a 3-pointer to tie the game, but Ray Allen saves him. The game goes to overtime, but Ray Allen saves him. The same Ray Allen who didn't even score one point in game 7.

This is clear he hasn't watched this game and doesn't want facts. This is just straight trolling and you continue to let this dude post on this forum. I don't understand. People who actually want NBA games know the truth. Ray Allen didn't force a Game 7. Game 6 went to overtime. Ray Allen didn't score a single point in game 7.

How do you score 16 points in the 4th quarter in the NBA Finals and then claim someone else bailed him out when he is the one responsible for the game being tied in the final 2 minutes in the first place? Enough is enough. Ban this cocksmith.

This.

[SouBeachTalents]

You still type like a prepubescent foaming at the mouth little boy. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt and say you were 14 when you joined that puts you at 26 now. Garbage poster :oldlol:
Lmao, that's a good point, he set up his account almost 13 years ago and literally types like a middle schooler. He could really be in his 30's typing like that :biggums: