Top 25 Power Forwards of All-Time Voting Part 1: Players 1-5

[L.Kizzle]

We have now moved on from the CENTER position to the POWER FORWARD position.
A total of 30 CENTERS received votes. Of those 30, we came up with a Top 25 Centers of All-Time (actually 26, there was a tie at 25 but I'm not doing a tiebreaker.)

Select and rank the five greatest POWER FORWARDS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your chooses or debate why player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, 5 will be selected and another 5 will be added to the pool of players.

Players to Choose From
Anthony Davis
Bob Pettit
Charles Barkley
Chris Webber
Dave DeBusschere
Dennis Rodman
Dirk Nowitzki
Dolph Schayes
Elvin Hayes
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Kevin Garnett
Kevin McHale
Tim Duncan


Below is your Top 25 CENTERS of ALL-TIME as voted on by ISH.
1 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2 Bill Russell
3 Shaquille O'Neal
4 Wilt Chamberlain
5 Hakeem Olajuwon
6 Moses Malone
7 David Robinson
8 Patrick Ewing
9 Willis Reed
9 George Mikan
11 Bill Walton
12 Dwight Howard
13 Dave Cowens
14 Bob McAdoo
15 Robert Parish
16 Wes Unseld
17 Nate Thurmond
18 Alonzo Mourning
19 Artist Gilmore
20 Dikembe Mutombo
21 Ben Wallace
22 Bob Lanier
23 Walt Bellamy
24 Dan Issel
25 Jack Sikma
25 Marc Gasol

Voting Results
Number of Votes - 5
Number of Players Receiving Votes - 8

Ben Wallace - (3) 1st Place Votes / (1) 2nd Place Vote
Bob Lanier - (1) 1st Place Vote / (3) 2nd Place Votes / (1) 3rd Place Vote
Walt Bellamy - (1) 1st Place Vote / (1) 4th Place Vote / (1) 5th Place Vote
Dan Issel - (2) 3rd Place Votes / (2) 5th Place Vote
Jack Sikma - (2) 3rd Place Votes
Marc Gasol - (1) 2nd Place Vote / (1) 4th Place Vote
Neil Johnston - (1) 4th Place Vote / (1) 5th Place Vote
Yao Ming - (1) 4th Place Vote / (1) 5th Place Vote
Al Horford - (1) 4th Place Vote

Voting Criteria
Five Seasons or more played in the NBA
1 = 10 Pts
2 = 7 Pts
3 = 5 Pts
4 = 3 Pts
5 = 1 Pt

Top-25-Centers-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-5-Players-21-25 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486569-Top-25-Centers-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-5-Players-21-25)

[jalbert009]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Kevin Garnett
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Charles Barkley

I still think that KG shouldve won FMVP in 2008. He was the true Alpha in the 2008 Celtics.

[Round Mound]

I would rank rank prime & peak Barkley over any other PF but i will mix both career and level of play to decide:

1-Tim Duncan
2-Charles Barkley
3-Karl Malone
4-Kevin McHale
5-Elvin Hayes
6-Bob Pettit
7-Dirk Nowitzki
8-Kevin Garnett
9-Anthony Davis
10-Pau Gasol/Chris Webber

[L.Kizzle]

I would rank rank prime & peak Barkley over any other PF but i will mix both career and level of play to decide:

1-Tim Duncan
2-Charles Barkley
3-Karl Malone
4-Kevin McHale
5-Elvin Hayes
6-Bob Pettit
7-Dirk Nowitzki
8-Kevin Garnett
9-Anthony Davis
10-Pau Gasol/Chris Webber
I'm just taking the first 5. But interesting order none the less. McHale over Dirk and KG ...

[Lebron_James]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Elvin Hayes

[SouBeachTalents]

1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. KG
4. Dirk
5. Barkley

[Ainosterhaspie]

Top five really not in doubt.
1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Malone
4. Barkley
5. Dirk

[Honor Boost]

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Dirk
4. Barkley
5. McHale

[tanibanana]

1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. Dirk
4. Barkley
5. Garnett

[Shooter]

Duncan
KG
Barkley
Dirk
McHale

[kawhileonard2]

1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. Barkley
4. Dirk
5. KG

[NBAGOAT]

Duncan
KG
Malone
Dirk
Barkley

[kkb_12]

Duncan
Barkley
Karl Malone
Rasheed Wallace
Chris Webber

[houston]

Duncan
Garnett
Davis
Dirk
Malone

next 5

Barkley
Dolph
Webber
Amare'
Mchale

[houston]

Gannis replace Mchale

[Horatio33]

1 Tim Duncan
2 Karl Malone
3 Kevin Garnett
4 Charles Barkley
5 Dirk Nowitzki

[Phoenix]

Duncan
Malone
Barkley
KG
Dirk

2-5 are tough and I think all 4 are pretty much right in the same ballpark GOAT ranking wise, so I listed them in the order I would if we were doing a general all-time GOAT list. Ask me again in a week and I may flip 3-5, that's how close I think it is.

[L.Kizzle]

Duncan
Barkley
Karl Malone
Rasheed Wallace
Chris Webber
Will not count. Please read OP.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Duncan
Garnett
Pettit
Nowitzki
Barkley

I am curious why people are so willing to rank Russell highly yet completely ignore Bob Pettit. Their careers heavily overlap. 11 years, 11 x all-star, 11 x All NBA, 10x first-team, 2x MVP (the first ever awarded and another in league where prime Bill Russell existed) Only player to take a ring off Russell and the Celtics dynasty for like 10 years, dropped 50 in the closeout game 6.

Russell won a championship in every year of his life from 1955-1966. 12 years in a row. Except the one year he lost to Pettit.

[houston]

Duncan
Garnett
Nowitzki
Pettit
Barkley



get point about bob pettit

[RoundMoundOfReb]

get point about bob pettit

Pardon? I talked myself into moving him up a spot :lol

[L.Kizzle]

Duncan
Garnett
Pettit
Nowitzki
Barkley

I am curious why people are so willing to rank Russell highly yet completely ignore Bob Pettit. Their careers heavily overlap. 11 years, 11 x all-star, 11 x All NBA, 10x first-team, 2x MVP (the first ever awarded and another in league where prime Bill Russell existed) Only player to take a ring off Russell and the Celtics dynasty for like 10 years, dropped 50 in the closeout game 6.

Russell won a championship in every year of his life from 1955-1966. 12 years in a row. Except the one year he lost to Pettit.
Pettit usually gets ranked in the low teens or high 20's. It wasn't until recently he's dropped outside the top 20.

Has same amount of MVP's as Duncan and Malone (and Giannis but he hasn't entered the consensus top 5 PFs.) Has more rings than Dirk and KG.

He's usually the 6th player mentioned from the 1960s' Fab Five of Wilt, Russell, Baylor, West and Oscar.

Maybe what gets him left off is he pre-dated them by a few seasons. He came in at the tail end of the Mikan era and retired in the middle of the 60s with the Fab 5 all still in their prime. Pettit retired at 32 with a 22/12 avg. To compare, Elgin Baylor at 32 was putting up 27/13, basically his career avg. Pettit probably could've played until the end of the decade judging by his numbers.

Dolph Schayes at 32 - 23/12 All-Star
Dave DeBusschere at 32 - 16/10 All-Star ... retired by 33
Jerry Lucas retired at 33 as well ...
Gus Johnson at 32 - 18/17 All-Star ... retired by 34

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Pettit usually gets ranked in the low teens or high 20's. It wasn't until recently he's dropped outside the top 20.

Has same amount of MVP's as Duncan and Malone (and Giannis but he hasn't entered the consensus top 5 PFs.) Has more rings than Dirk and KG.

He's usually the 6th player mentioned from the 1960s' Fab Five of Wilt, Russell, Baylor, West and Oscar.

Maybe what gets him left off is he pre-dated them by a few seasons. He came in at the tail end of the Mikan era and retired in the middle of the 60s with the Fab 5 all still in their prime. Pettit retired at 32 with a 22/12 avg. To compare, Elgin Baylor at 32 was putting up 27/13, basically his career avg. Pettit probably could've played until the end of the decade judging by his numbers.

Dolph Schayes at 32 - 23/12 All-Star
Dave DeBusschere at 32 - 16/10 All-Star ... retired by 33
Jerry Lucas retired at 33 as well ...
Gus Johnson at 32 - 18/17 All-Star ... retired by 34

What's your list? I'm still struggling between Nowitzki and Pettit.

[L.Kizzle]

What's your list? I'm still struggling between Nowitzki and Pettit.
I'm not sure. That is why I wanted to do this, it's very interesting.

Tim Duncan is the only constant here so far. Karl Malone hasn't made everyone's top 5, and neither has Dirk, Chuck or KG. I'd like to see why some of you guys left them off of your five. Every now and then a Hayes will sneak in, a McHale or in your case Pettit.
You're one of the guys, you don't have Malone in your top 5?

[AussieSteve]

1. Duncan
2. Barkley
3. Dirk
4. Malone
5. Garnett

[houston]

Pardon? I talked myself into moving him up a spot :lol

typo good point I meant to say.

[Roundball_Rock]

1) Duncan
2) Malone
3) Barkley
4) KG
5) Dirk

[TheCorporation]

1) Duncan
2) KG
3) Malone
4) Dirk
5) Barkley

[kkb_12]

Will not count. Please read OP.
Because of write in? We have list of 15 players to choose the best 25 from - I get it...

[AussieSteve]

The reason KG can't be ahead of Barkley and Dirk is playoff performance. The guy never once scores more than 35 points in a playoff games. Not once in his entire career. And his efficiency sucked in the playoffs.

I don't care how good he was on defense, he was too limited on offense, which is clear as day when looking at his playoff performances.

[L.Kizzle]

Because of write in? We have list of 15 players to choose the best 25 from - I get it...
I still don't think you read the OP yet.

[RRR3]

1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Malone
4. Barkley
5. Dirk

[And1AllDay]

1. Duncan
2. KG
3. Dirk
4. Barkley
5. McHale

[Kiddlovesnets]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Kévin Garnett
4. Karl Malone
5. Kévin Mchale

[Reggie43]

1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. Garnett
4. Barkley
5. Pettit

[Gougou]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Dirk
3. KG
4. Anthony Davis
5. Karl Malone

[houston]

no elvin hayes love

[L.Kizzle]

no elvin hayes love
He's gotten a few votes. Will it be enough to make the top five?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not that it matters but I'll go with

Duncan
Garnett
Nowitzki
Petti
Barkley

Be sure to not accidently count mine twice!

[tanibanana]

Sombody is asking where is the love for Hayes.
He is in the #7 to #9 range...

[r0drig0lac]

Duncan/Malone/Barkley/KG/Dirk

[rmt]

Duncan
Malone
KG
Barkley
Dirk

[dankok8]

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Malone
4. Dirk
5. Barkley