Rate these scorers in their primes, 1-3: Carmelo/Wade/Harden

[MadDog]

Dwyane Wade 2005-2012:

26 points on 49% shooting
26 points on 48% shooting in the playoffs

-one season averaging 30 points or more
-one playoff run averaging 30 points or more
-three 50 point games

*misc* Wade shot 66% at the rim, 38% from 10-16 feet, 39% from 16-21 feet and 28% from three. In the playoffs, Wade shot 66% at the rim, 41% from 10-16 feet, 40% from 16-21 feet and 32% from three. Wade took roughly 37% of his attempts at the rim and about 39% from mid/long 2s.

Carmelo Anthony 2007-2014:

26 points on 46% shooting
28 points on 43% shooting in the playoffs

-one playoff run averaging 30 points or more
-one 60 point game
-three 50 point games

*misc* Carmelo shot 61% at the rim, 40% from 10-16 feet, 42% from 16-21 feet and 36% from three. In the playoffs, Carmelo shot 52% at the rim, 44% from 10-16 feet, 40% from 16-21 feet and 34% from three. Carmelo took 30% of his attempts at the rim and about 40% from mid/long 2s.

James Harden 2014-2020:

30 points on 44% shooting
28 points on 42% shooting in the playoffs

-one season averaging 35 points or more
-two seasons averaging 30 points or more
-two playoff runs averaging 30 points or more
-four 60 point games
-nineteen 50 point games

*misc* Harden shoots 64% at the rim, 43% from 10-16 feet, 38% from 16-21 feet and 36% from three. In the playoffs, Harden shoots 66% at the rim, 40% from 10-16 feet, 34% from 16-21 feet and 32% from three. Harden took about a quarter of his attempts at the rim and around 14% from mid/long 2s.

[MadDog]

:confusedshrug:

You guys can fact check the numbers, but I pulled them off bballref. I think a big takeaway here is Carmelo having a better shooting percentage than Harden. In the playoffs while taking long 2s (also elite from there)

[DMAVS41]

:confusedshrug:

You guys can fact check the numbers, but I pulled them off bballref. I think a big takeaway here is Carmelo having a better shooting percentage than Harden. In the playoffs while taking long 2s (also elite from there)

You aren't looking at it right on efficiency. You need to use TS% as it accounts for everything better than splits.

Harden is way more efficient than Melo in the playoffs.

[RRR3]

Coach still using FG% :roll:


What an idiot.

[LonelyOwl]

1. Harden
2. Wade











3. Melo

[Ben Simmons]

Regular season

Harden
Wade
Melo

Playoffs:
Wade
Harden
Melo

[MadDog]

You aren't looking at it right on efficiency. You need to use TS% as it accounts for everything better than splits.

Harden is way more efficient than Melo in the playoffs.

TS is too dependant on free throws, and we know Harden gets a ton of BS calls. The splits are there, so if you don't like FG% check them out.


Regular season

Harden
Wade
Melo

Playoffs:
Wade
Harden
Melo

There was an old chart floating around on the internet, sometime around 2012, but it detailed all the playoff series Wade, Kobe and LeBron played. Wade actually shot best against the toughest defenses.

[MadDog]

Coach still using FG% :roll:


What an idiot.

Great contribution, chief. You really got me there!

[Gus Hemmingway]

Great contribution, chief. You really got me there!

Why do you have 10-12 alts?

[Roundball_Rock]

Coach still using FG% :roll:


What an idiot.

Which tells you what the agenda is. He wants people to say Wade but knows TS % would hurt Wade against these other players because Wade didn't take threes whereas Harden obsesses with threes (and is a high volume, high efficiency FT shooter as well). Yet we are to compare their FG % straight up (when it comes to their favorites like Miller, Stockton they suddenly want to switch to TS %, doe!).

Let's look at the data for these players for the years Coach/Samurai/etc. selected.

Harden 2014-2020: 61% TS
Wade 2005-2012: 57% TS
Carmelo 2007-2014: 55% TS

No surprise he didn't want to use TS %.


Why do you have 10-12 alts?

He has so many accounts, he has two alone named after Pippen. :lol

[light]

1) Harden
2) Melo
3) Wade

For some reason Wade's career scoring high is only 55 points. Not 57. Not even 58. Just 55.

[MadDog]

Which tells you what the agenda is. He wants people to say Wade but knows TS % would hurt Wade against these other players because Wade didn't take threes whereas Harden obsesses with threes (and is a high volume, high efficiency FT shooter as well). Yet we are to compare their FG % straight up (when it comes to their favorites like Miller, Stockton they suddenly want to switch to TS %, doe!).

Let's look at the data for these players for the years Coach/Samurai/etc. selected.

Harden 2014-2020: 61% TS
Wade 2005-2012: 57% TS
Carmelo 2007-2014: 55% TS

No surprise he didn't want to use TS %.



He has so many accounts, he has two alone named after Pippen. :lol

:oldlol: @ this paranoid LeBron fan. There is no "agenda" here. Picking between Harden, Melo and Wade is like splitting hairs. They all have unique skillsets like the numbers dictate. The splits were posted although freethrows were not included. That is because of the BS fouls both Wade and Harden get.


He has so many accounts, he has two alone named after Pippen.

Wasn't I "3ball" in another thread? :confusedshrug: Your detective skills are weak.

[Micku]

Regular season

Harden
Wade
Melo

Playoffs:
Wade
Harden
Melo


Pretty much.

Carmelo is a weird case for me. He is bad at finishing around the rim. It's shocking given his size and skillset. A lot of ppl say the refs don't call the fouls. He is comparable to Kobe on the long 2s, but he's not as good at that sweet 10-16 spot. Melo just kind'a sucked in the paint area. Of course depends on the year. Wade meanwhile shot at the high to mid 60%. Carmelo shot to the mid 60% to the high 50%. You got Tony Parker, shooting 70% one year. Older Kobe shooting like 69% at one point. KD and LeBron blow him out of the water with their 70% constantly. Even Wade got 70% at one point.

Even if you nba.com with their hot spots, their stats is a little different from basketball-reference, the % is worse I believe. And Carmelo would do a lot of his work at the rim and the long 2 pt shot. I remember how I thought his style was perfect for playoff basketball. His post moves, ability to score anywhere, and the grit and grind style. But it never translate well as oppose to Kobe or KD who could similar things, but better. And it's not truly the shot selection that he takes, although at times he tries to shoot over everyone similar to Kobe just not as good. It's his % at the rim in the playoffs. The man couldn't finish at the basket. 52%? Jeez. Even while watching, I thought he wasn't as bad. But looking at the stats, wow man. I'm just amazed.

Hardly anyone talks about it too when talking about his game. They talk about how play an inefficient game, but they don't talk about his finishing ability. His lack there of finishing ability is the reason why he don't really have an efficient game.

I hate to bring up MJ, but MJ shot like crap at the rim in 97. Now the stats are screwed due to the shortening 3pt line on the efficiency. But he made it up due to him shooting like 50% on the midrange. And MJ isn't the only one to do that. Dirk also did it. When he shot crap at the rim, he was unstoppable at the midrange. Carmelo was good, but he wasn't that good.

And to add on top of that, both of them never had that bad % at the rim than Carmelo. He averaged 40% several times in the playoffs. Like everything, including his TS%, would be better if he shot better at the rim. He's good in midrange and could shoot the 3. My point is, in the playoffs, biggest difference between Harden and Melo isn't the 3pt shot. Cuz Harden is a chucker and his 3pt shooting sometimes isn't that great. Playoff teams do a better job at defending the 3pt shot. Harden rarely take midrange jumpers, which I think is mistake but it's whatever. It's the finishing ability. It's the FTs too, but Melo is a good FT shooter. Not as good as Harden, but the difference in finishing ability is vast in comparison.

[MadDog]

Pretty much.

Carmelo is a weird case for me. He is bad at finishing around the rim. It's shocking given his size and skillset. A lot of ppl say the refs don't call the fouls. He is comparable to Kobe on the long 2s, but he's not as good at that sweet 10-16 spot. Melo just kind'a sucked in the paint area. Of course depends on the year. Wade meanwhile shot at the high to mid 60%. Carmelo shot to the mid 60% to the high 50%. You got Tony Parker, shooting 70% one year. Older Kobe shooting like 69% at one point. KD and LeBron blow him out of the water with their 70% constantly. Even Wade got 70% at one point.

Even if you nba.com with their hot spots, their stats is a little different from basketball-reference, the % is worse I believe. And Carmelo would do a lot of his work at the rim and the long 2 pt shot. I remember how I thought his style was perfect for playoff basketball. His post moves, ability to score anywhere, and the grit and grind style. But it never translate well as oppose to Kobe or KD who could similar things, but better. And it's not truly the shot selection that he takes, although at times he tries to shoot over everyone similar to Kobe just not as good. It's his % at the rim in the playoffs. The man couldn't finish at the basket. 52%? Jeez. Even while watching, I thought he wasn't as bad. But looking at the stats, wow man. I'm just amazed.

Hardly anyone talks about it too when talking about his game. They talk about how play an inefficient game, but they don't talk about his finishing ability. His lack there of finishing ability is the reason why he don't really have an efficient game.

I hate to bring up MJ, but MJ shot like crap at the rim in 97. Now the stats are screwed due to the shortening 3pt line on the efficiency. But he made it up due to him shooting like 50% on the midrange. And MJ isn't the only one to do that. Dirk also did it. When he shot crap at the rim, he was unstoppable at the midrange. Carmelo was good, but he wasn't that good.

And to add on top of that, both of them never had that bad % at the rim than Carmelo. He averaged 40% several times in the playoffs. Like everything, including his TS%, would be better if he shot better at the rim. He's good in midrange and could shoot the 3. My point is, in the playoffs, biggest difference between Harden and Melo isn't the 3pt shot. Cuz Harden is a chucker and his 3pt shooting sometimes isn't that great. Playoff teams do a better job at defending the 3pt shot. Harden rarely take midrange jumpers, which I think is mistake but it's whatever. It's the finishing ability. It's the FTs too, but Melo is a good FT shooter. Not as good as Harden, but the difference in finishing ability is vast in comparison.

Thanks for keeping it clean. Carmelo definitely settled for a lot of jumpshots. He is one of the most underappreciated midrange specialists, but still settled too often. The FGA from 10-21 feet do not lie. In fact, its probably the biggest reason his efficiency dipped in the playoffs. Not quite Harden-level but close enough. People forget just how good Denver Melo was tbh. Some of his numbers from 07-11 are FLATOUT efficient. Impressive playoff splits too.

[HylianNightmare]

Wade
Harden
Melo

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Wade
Harden




Melo

[SATAN]

Harden, Wade, Anthony