Jordan vs LeBron Finals stats compared

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan:

1991 - 6.6 rebounds/ 11.4 assists/ 51% FG

1992- 4.8 rebounds/ 6.5 assists/ 52% FG

1993 - 8.5 rebounds/ 6.3 assists/ 50% FG

1996 - 5.3 rebounds/ 4.2 assists/ 41% FG

1997 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.0 assists/ 45% FG

1998 - 4.0 rebounds/ 2.3 assists/ 43% FG

Total Finals: 6.0 rebounds/ 6.1 assists/ 47% FG


LeBron

2007 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 36% FG
2011 - 7.2 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 48% FG
2012 - 10.2 rebounds/ 7.4 assists/ 47% FG
2013 - 10.9 rebounds/ 7.0 assists/ 45% FG
2014 - 7.8 rebounds / 4.0 assists/ 57% FG
2015 - 13.3 rebounds/ 8.8 assists/ 40% FG
2016 - 11.3 rebounds/ 8.9 assists/ 49% FG
2017 - 12.0 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 56% FG
2018 - 8.5 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 53% FG
2020 - 11.8 rebounds/ 8.5 assists/ 59% FG

Total Finals: 10.0 rebounds/ 7.8 assists/ 49% FG


Both LeBron and Jordan averaged about the same PPG in the Finals (30-33ppg) it doesn't make sense comparing them :confusedshrug:

So then the real difference is the rebounds/ assists/ and FG% where LeBron has significant advantages in all 3 :confusedshrug:

Jordan was 6/6/47% FG vs LeBron at 10/8/49%F G

[Shooter]

Hold up,

Jordan won a Finals with 2.3 assists and 4 rebounds? Who was he playing? :lol

MJ won FMVP doing Chauncy Billups rebounding (2004 FMVP) and Wilt Assisting #s (1972 FMVP)

What. A. Time.

90s Ball :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

Hold up,

Jordan won a Finals with 2.3 assists and 4 rebounds? Who was he playing? :lol

MJ won FMVP doing Chauncy Billups rebounding (2004 FMVP) and Wilt Assisting #s (1972 FMVP)

What. A. Time.

90s Ball :lol

4 rebounds/ 2 assists/ on 43% was the WOAT ever for a FMVP (no one ever got lower stats than that) :lol

[Shooter]

4 rebounds/ 2 assists/ on 43% was the WOAT ever for a FMVP (no one ever got lower stats than that) :lol

Billups rebounding with Wilt assists with Kobe FG%

YIKES

WHO WAS HE PLAYING :lol

Musta been a 10 ppg #2 option to get a win still :roll:

[3ball]

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You left out 4 things OP:


1) percentage of team points scored

2) scoring margin over 2nd option

3) clutch points (last 5 within 5)

4) ppg and efficiency of defensive assignment

[Gus Hemmingway]

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You left out 3 things OP:


1) percentage of team points scored

2) scoring margin over 2nd option

3) clutch points (last 5 within 5)

I also left out

1) Quality of Finals opponent

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

4) Defense Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option

[Shooter]

I also left out

1) Quality of Finals opponent

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

4) Defense Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option

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We win again

[Roundball_Rock]

I also left out

1) Quality of Finals opponent

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

4) Defense Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option

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[dbugz]

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sit your fat @ss down

you got libron behind MJ and even considered a flawless MJ at # 1

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

3ball?

[LonelyOwl]

4 rebounds/ 2 assists/ on 43% was the WOAT ever for a FMVP (no one ever got lower stats than that) :lol
Yikes :roll:

[LonelyOwl]

I also left out

1) Quality of Finals opponent

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

4) Defense Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option
3ball slayed :roll:

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Jordan:

1991 - 6.6 rebounds/ 11.4 assists/ 51% FG

1992- 4.8 rebounds/ 6.5 assists/ 52% FG

1993 - 8.5 rebounds/ 6.3 assists/ 50% FG

1996 - 5.3 rebounds/ 4.2 assists/ 41% FG

1997 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.0 assists/ 45% FG

1998 - 4.0 rebounds/ 2.3 assists/ 43% FG

Total Finals: 6.0 rebounds/ 6.1 assists/ 47% FG


LeBron

2007 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 36% FG
2011 - 7.2 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 48% FG
2012 - 10.2 rebounds/ 7.4 assists/ 47% FG
2013 - 10.9 rebounds/ 7.0 assists/ 45% FG
2014 - 7.8 rebounds / 4.0 assists/ 57% FG
2015 - 13.3 rebounds/ 8.8 assists/ 40% FG
2016 - 11.3 rebounds/ 8.9 assists/ 49% FG
2017 - 12.0 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 56% FG
2018 - 8.5 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 53% FG
2020 - 11.8 rebounds/ 8.5 assists/ 59% FG

Total Finals: 10.0 rebounds/ 7.8 assists/ 49% FG


Both LeBron and Jordan averaged about the same PPG in the Finals (30-33ppg) it doesn't make sense comparing them :confusedshrug:

So then the real difference is the rebounds/ assists/ and FG% where LeBron has significant advantages in all 3 :confusedshrug:

Jordan was 6/6/47% FG vs LeBron at 10/8/49%F G

LeBron is obviously the better player.

He can score like Jordan, pass like Magic, rebound like Wilt and defend like Pippen.

[3ball]

I also left out

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option



^^^ those are all tiny margins because teammates nearly match lebron in those categories (shared load)

Otoh, MJ carries the scoring load and only shares the secondary categories

MJ carries the load; lebron shares it.. got it?






4) Defense Margin over 2nd option




Lebron is the only Heat or Cav player that let their man score more than 2 points above their regular season average in the 13-18' Finals..

Durant, Kawhi and Iggy scored 5-10 above their normal average

[LAmbruh]

LeBron is obviously the better player.

He can score like Jordan, pass like Magic, rebound like Wilt and defend like Pippen.

yep, he his the goat

[Roundball_Rock]

^^^ those are all tiny margins because teammates nearly match lebron in those categories (shared load)

We saw the GS data showed Jordan's teammates accounted for 36% of total game score in those finals while LeBron's accounted for 33%. Jordan accounted for more scoring than LeBron did. Where do you think Jordan's teammates made up the gap? :lol It was in all the other categories.

[dbugz]

We saw the GS data showed Jordan's teammates accounted for 36% of total game score in those finals while LeBron's accounted for 33%. Jordan accounted for more scoring than LeBron did. Where do you think Jordan's teammates made up the gap? :lol It was in all the other categories.

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[3ball]

We saw the GS data showed Jordan's teammates accounted for 36% of total game score in those finals while LeBron's accounted for 33%. Jordan accounted for more scoring than LeBron did. Where do you think Jordan's teammates made up the gap? :lol It was in all the other categories.

Secondary categories

Both MJ and lebron shared loads with teammates in the secondary categories (teammates averaged close to the same in steals, blocks, rebounds, etc)

But only MJ carried the primary category

And his clutch points destroy lebron... MJ took over every game down the stretch, even in losses where his efforts weren't enough to drag his team to victory

[Gus Hemmingway]

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Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

[dbugz]

3Ball beating up Roundball_Rock so badly

got stripped of his credibility :roll:

Imagine bashing MJ and also calling him flawless at the same time :roll:




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[dbugz]

Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

MJ > libron as per your fellow fantard :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

:lol

He is proving I can be objective. They reverse engineer every single "opinion" from what their personal preference is. Hence why they are laughably inconsistent from subject to subject, sometimes flip flopping in the same thread based on the player/team being discussed at a given moment.

[dbugz]

:lol

He is proving I can be objective. They reverse engineer every single "opinion" from what their personal preference is. Hence why they are laughably inconsistent from subject to subject, sometimes flip flopping in the same thread based on the player/team being discussed at a given moment.

You have no credibility, you got exposed :roll:

MJ is flawless
MJ > libron

right? you tell me :oldlol:

[Gus Hemmingway]

He’s still posting :roll:

Dudes life revolves around our posts

[dbugz]

He’s still posting :roll:

Dudes life revolves around our posts

this boy got shookt. A fellow fantard chose MJ over libron :roll:

[Roundball_Rock]

He’s still posting :roll:

Dudes life revolves around our posts

:lol

It is a combination of stupidity and a meltdown due to insecurity. He wants me to keep saying MJ>LeBron in every thread to reassure him. A sane fan wouldn't need that regular reassurance. Frankly, if you are THAT insecure, it tells me he privately thinks LeBron>MJ. :oldlol:

[dbugz]

:lol

It is a combination of stupidity and a meltdown due to insecurity. He wants me to keep saying MJ>LeBron in every thread to reassure him. A sane fan wouldn't need that regular reassurance. Frankly, if you are THAT insecure, it tells me he privately thinks LeBron>MJ. :oldlol:

nothing is more stupid than bashing someone and calling him flawless at the same time :roll:

what kind of effin argument is that? tell me tell me :roll:

[Shooter]

Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

:roll::roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

:roll:

[Shooter]

:lol

It is a combination of stupidity and a meltdown due to insecurity. He wants me to keep saying MJ>LeBron in every thread to reassure him. A sane fan wouldn't need that regular reassurance. Frankly, if you are THAT insecure, it tells me he privately thinks LeBron>MJ. :oldlol:

His small mind is trying to pit LeFam against one another.

I can see LBJ, KAJ, MJ in any top 3 order. I choose LBJ 1st and that's that. LeFam is strong and stay winning :cheers: Dr. Rock is in LeFam

[FireDavidKahn]

I also left out

1) Quality of Finals opponent

2) Rebound Margin over 2nd option

3) Assist Margin over 2nd option

4) Defense Margin over 2nd option

5) PPG average of opponent's 2nd option

issa wrap


:hammertime::hammertime:


but my ppgZzzzzzzzz:(

[Shooter]

issa wrap


:hammertime::hammertime:


but my ppgZzzzzzzzz:(

:roll::roll:

Wrap it up

[Roundball_Rock]

His small mind is trying to pit LeFam against one another.

I can see LBJ, KAJ, MJ in any top 3 order. I choose LBJ 1st and that's that. LeFam is strong and stay winning :cheers: Dr. Rock is in LeFam

:cheers:

We have a diversity of opinions. They operate as robots. If you took the name of their posts, could you really tell who wrote it? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between them.

[dbugz]

:cheers:

We have a diversity of opinions. They operate as robots. If you took the name of their posts, could you really tell who wrote it? There isn't a dime's worth of difference between them.

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there's no coming back from these :roll: :roll:

[MadDog]

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Damn. Never a word critiquing LeBron only anti Jordan garbage. The same Jordan he literally called "flawless" :rolleyes: These LeBron fans are a joke :oldlol:

[dbugz]

Damn. Never a word about LeBron just anti Jordan garbage. The same Jordan he called "flawless" :rolleyes: These LeBron fans are a joke :oldlol:

they're part of the 27% strong. all delusional :roll:

[kawhileonard2]

To be the conversation for GOAT you have lead a franchise to a dynasty. MJ did that, Russell did that, Duncan did that, Magic did that, Lebron did not. In fact Lebron switch teams 4 times already. What a *****.

[Gus Hemmingway]

???

[LonelyOwl]

Roundball got you following him along all day like a sick puppy :lol

lol

:roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

3ball??

[8Ball]

Also compare playoff PER numbers between the 2 for peak playoff PER.

[Bronbron23]

Jordan:

1991 - 6.6 rebounds/ 11.4 assists/ 51% FG

1992- 4.8 rebounds/ 6.5 assists/ 52% FG

1993 - 8.5 rebounds/ 6.3 assists/ 50% FG

1996 - 5.3 rebounds/ 4.2 assists/ 41% FG

1997 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.0 assists/ 45% FG

1998 - 4.0 rebounds/ 2.3 assists/ 43% FG

Total Finals: 6.0 rebounds/ 6.1 assists/ 47% FG


LeBron

2007 - 7.0 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 36% FG
2011 - 7.2 rebounds/ 6.8 assists/ 48% FG
2012 - 10.2 rebounds/ 7.4 assists/ 47% FG
2013 - 10.9 rebounds/ 7.0 assists/ 45% FG
2014 - 7.8 rebounds / 4.0 assists/ 57% FG
2015 - 13.3 rebounds/ 8.8 assists/ 40% FG
2016 - 11.3 rebounds/ 8.9 assists/ 49% FG
2017 - 12.0 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 56% FG
2018 - 8.5 rebounds/ 10.0 assists/ 53% FG
2020 - 11.8 rebounds/ 8.5 assists/ 59% FG

Total Finals: 10.0 rebounds/ 7.8 assists/ 49% FG


Both LeBron and Jordan averaged about the same PPG in the Finals (30-33ppg) it doesn't make sense comparing them :confusedshrug:

So then the real difference is the rebounds/ assists/ and FG% where LeBron has significant advantages in all 3 :confusedshrug:

Jordan was 6/6/47% FG vs LeBron at 10/8/49%F G

Love how this dude just ignores mj scoring 5 more points a game. In the 90's slow ball at that.

The other main difference is bron plays ball dominant systems and mj played the triangle. Its why mediocre passers like westbrook can get 10 assists a game. Put mj in this era in a ball dominant system he could easily have better numbers than mvp westbrook.

That said theres really not much difference between mj and bron impact wise. Can't go wrong either way. Bron is a little bit better passer and rebounder and mj is a little bit better scorer and defender.

[3ball]

Love how this dude just ignores mj scoring 5 more points a game. In the 90's slow ball at that.

The other main difference is bron plays ball dominant systems and mj played the triangle. Its why mediocre passers like westbrook can get 10 assists a game. Put mj in this era in a ball dominant system he could easily have better numbers than mvp westbrook.

That said theres really not much difference between mj and bron impact wise. Can't go wrong either way. Bron is a little bit better passer and rebounder and mj is a little bit better scorer and defender.


Jordan averaged 33.5 and he's the only guy in the 30's.. His lead on the #2 guy is greater than the gap between #2 and #10.

So Jordan has a significant scoring lead on everyone, not just lebron.. it isn't a "little" advantage as you called it

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan averaged 33.5 and he's the only guy in the 30's.. His lead on the #2 guy is greater than the gap between #2 and #10.

So Jordan has a significant scoring lead on everyone, not just lebron.. it isn't a "little" advantage as you called it

Lies, we’re talking the Finals here and LeBron and Jordan are basically even in Finals scoring (2-3ppg)

[biggestnbafan]

Jordan wouldn't have won without Pippen. He wouldn't have won without Rodman. He wouldn't have won without Jackson.

[dankok8]

Let's compare the full stats shall we?

Averages - Finals Only
Jordan: 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg (1.8 o), 6.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg on 48.1 %FG/36.8 %3P/80.6 %FT with 2.4 topg in 43.0 mpg; 55.9 %TS
Lebron: 28.4 ppg, 10.2 rpg (1.9 o), 7.8 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.7 bpg on 48.4 %FG/35.2 %3P/73.1 %FT with 4.0 topg in 42.5 mpg; 56.3 %TS

My interpretation is that Jordan has a big scoring lead. 5.2 ppg is a lot... Lebron has 1.8 apg more but 1.6 topg more as well so I wouldn't call any kind of edge in the playmaking department. Lebron grabs 4.1 drpg more but that isn't very valuable compared to 5.2 ppg. Jordan clearly has better Finals stats.

[Bronbron23]

Lies, we’re talking the Finals here and LeBron and Jordan are basically even in Finals scoring (2-3ppg)

No dude its 5 points difference.

[Bronbron23]

Lies, we’re talking the Finals here and LeBron and Jordan are basically even in Finals scoring (2-3ppg)

Lebron 28.4 mj 33.6

This dummy is straight ignoring facts.

[MadDog]

Let's compare the full stats shall we?

Averages - Finals Only
Jordan: 33.6 ppg, 6.0 rpg (1.8 o), 6.0 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.7 bpg on 48.1 %FG/36.8 %3P/80.6 %FT with 2.4 topg in 43.0 mpg; 55.9 %TS
Lebron: 28.4 ppg, 10.2 rpg (1.9 o), 7.8 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.7 bpg on 48.4 %FG/35.2 %3P/73.1 %FT with 4.0 topg in 42.5 mpg; 56.3 %TS

My interpretation is that Jordan has a big scoring lead. 5.2 ppg is a lot... Lebron has 1.8 apg more but 1.6 topg more as well so I wouldn't call any kind of edge in the playmaking department. Lebron grabs 4.1 drpg more but that isn't very valuable compared to 5.2 ppg. Jordan clearly has better Finals stats.

I thought threes were a "weakness" for Jordan? On the big stage, he shoots them better than LeBron does. :oldlol: The same LeBron competing in an era ADVOCATING threes.

[TheCorporation]

Hold up,

Jordan won a Finals with 2.3 assists and 4 rebounds? Who was he playing? :lol

MJ won FMVP doing Chauncy Billups rebounding (2004 FMVP) and Wilt Assisting #s (1972 FMVP)

What. A. Time.

90s Ball

:roll::roll:

"Who was he playing?"

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

:roll::roll:

"Who was he playing?"

:roll:

This after bron just won one the easiest rings ever against one of the worst finals teams ever. Bron stans are amazing. Can't make this shit up:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

This after bron just won one the easiest rings ever against one of the worst finals teams ever. Bron stans are amazing. Can't make this shit up:facepalm

Hi BronBron23, :lol

2 questions to end your nba forum career


Where do you rank LeBron all-time with a name like that? And, What is MJ's best ring?

[Bronbron23]

Hi BronBron23, :lol

2 questions to end your nba forum career


Where do you rank LeBron all-time with a name like that? And, What is MJ's best ring?

My nba forum career? Dont say corny shit like that dude.

To answer your question i rank bron somewhere in the top 5. Apparently that makes me a hatter lol. I dont really do goat because its dumb af. I never saw half of the greats play so how can i. I do have bron a little behind mj though and i have mj somewhere between 1 and 3. I can't argue anyone saying kareem or russell should be ahead of him. Bron will have an argument this year if he wins.

[Kiddlovesnets]

MJ’s record in the finals, 6/6. Lebron’s record in the finals 4/10.
:(

[Axe]

Bron will have an argument this year if he wins.
But he already did bro

In the process he acted like he was indebted to kobe for joining the lakers as well, even moreso when the latter had to perish all of a sudden.

[Bronbron23]

But he already did bro

Meant this season so next year technically

[Axe]

Meant this season so next year technically
Oh i see lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

3ball?

[HoopsNY]

:roll::roll:

"Who was he playing?"

:roll:

Thank you. Now end the discussion there. If the argument is that MJ's opponents were all scrubs, then why have this discussion to begin with? Clearly stats don't matter. Just compare LeBron to other players in the last 10 (really 5), years who apparently play in a much better era. The previous 60 years don't really matter.

[Gus Hemmingway]

3ball?

[3ball]

3ball?


Finals Career

Davis..... 25/10/3 on 57% (3 less ppg than lebron)
Kyrie....... 28/4/4 on 47% (equal ppg to lebron)
Wade...... 24/6/5 on 47% (4 less ppg than lebron)
Pippen.... 19/8/6 on 42% (15 less ppg than MJ)

Lebron.... 28/10/8 on 48%
Jordan..... 34/6/6 on 48%


^^^ Kyrie matches Lebron's ppg and Wade/AD are within 3-4 ppg.

So despite sharing the defensive attention with his sidekick, Lebron averages 5 less points than Jordan, who was the sole focus of all defenses.

so only Jordan faced "1-man team" coverage for his entire career, thus giving ultimate integrity to his #1 ranked PER, BPM, WS/48, and also VORP seasons.

Kenny Smith talks about mj being the only 1-man show here:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s

[Vino24]

MJ needed a player to lead in 3 out the 4 major areas for statistics. Meanwhile LeBron just needed to lead everyone in everything