Top 25 Power Forwards of All-Time Voting Part 2: Players 6-10

[L.Kizzle]

Select and rank the next five (players 6 through 10) of the greatest POWER FORWARDS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your choices or debate why said player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, the top five will be selected and another five will be added to the pool of players.


Players to Choose From
Anthony Davis
Amar’e Stoudemire
Bob Pettit
Chris Bosh
Chris Webber
Connie Hawkins
Dave DeBusschere
Dennis Rodman
Dolph Schayes
Elvin Hayes
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Jerry Lucas
Kevin McHale
Pau Gasol
Shawn Kemp


Top 25 Power Forwards: 1-5
1 Tim Duncan
2 Kevin Garnett
3 Karl Malone
4 Dirk Nowitzki
5 Charles Barkley


Voting Results
Number of Voters - 25
Number of Players Receiving Votes - 9

Tim Duncan (25) 1st Place Votes = 250 Points
Kevin Garnett (10) 2nd Place Votes / (6) 3rd Place Votes / (3) 4th Place Votes / (3) 5th Place Votes = 147 Points
Karl Malone (11) 2nd Place Votes / (6) 3rd Place Votes / (2) 4th Place Votes / (2) 5th Place Votes = 142 Points
Dirk Nowitzki (2) 2nd Place Votes / (6) 3rd Place Votes / (8) 4th Place Votes / (5) 5th Place Votes = 81 Points
Charles Barkley (2) 2nd Place Votes / (4) 3rd Place Votes / (7) 4th Place Votes / (6) 5th Place Votes = 75 Points
Anthony Davis (1) 3rd Place Vote / (1) 4th Place Vote = 8 Points
Kevin McHale (1) 4th Place Votes / (4) 5th Place Votes = 7 Points
Bob Pettit (1) 4th Place Votes / (1) 5th Place Vote = 4 Points
Elvin Hayes (2) 5th Place Votes = 2 Points

Voting Criteria
Five Seasons or more played in the NBA
1 = 10 Pts
2 = 7 Pts
3 = 5 Pts
4 = 3 Pts
5 = 1 Pt

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[jalbert009]

6. Bob Pettit
7. Giannis Antetoukounmpo
8. Pau Gasol
9. Anthony Davis
10. Kevin McHale

I know Giannis hasn't had much post season success but he is back to back MVP which is very Impressive and puts him in elite company. An Alpha ring would boost him to #2 IMO.

[And1AllDay]

Kevin McHale
Bob Pettit
Giannis Antetoukounmpo
Pau Gasol
Dennis Rodman

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Bob Pettit
Kevin McHale
Elvin Hayes
Pau Gasol
Anthony Davis

[SouBeachTalents]

6. Pettit
7. Hayes
8. McHale
9. AD
10. Gasol

[1987_Lakers]

6. Pettit
7. McHale
8. AD
9. Giannis
10. Hayes

Can't stand Hayes as a player, team cancer, inefficient, black hole, was close to replacing him with Gasol at #10, but thought that would be taking it too far since Hayes does have more individual accomplishments.

[dankok8]

6. Pettit
7. Hayes
8. McHale
9. Giannis Antetokounmpo
10. Anthony Davis

[houston]

pettit
davis
giannis
schayes
hayes

[Round Mound]

6-Bob Pettit
7-Dirk Nowitzki
8-Kevin Garnett
9-Anthony Davis
10-Pau Gasol/Chris Webber

[NBAGOAT]

pettit
mchale
hayes
ad
gasol

[Phoenix]

Petit
McHale
Hayes
Giannis
AD

I'm giving the first 3 names the benefit of having their legacies etched in stone with Giannis/AD still building theirs, so it feels a bit weird for me to rank them over those guys *right now*. But it's obvious they are trending to end up higher and both knocking on the top 5 door over the next 4-5 years.

[Roundball_Rock]

6) Petit
7) McHale
8) Hayes
9) Giannis
10) Davis


I'm giving the first 3 names the benefit of having their legacies etched in stone with Giannis/AD still building theirs, so it feels a bit weird for me to rank them over those guys *right now*. But it's obvious they are trending to end up higher and both knocking on the top 5 door over the next 4-5 years.

Agreed.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Gasol > AD

[Phoenix]

Was McHale widely thought of as a black hole on offense in his day? I have some late 80s Celtics games on DVD and man, alot of the time the ball went into him you weren't getting it back. He was obviously a deadly post scorer but makes me wonder if that would put a cap on his teams success if he was 'the man'. Or was he simply playing as the Celts wanted? Given their success I can't say they made the wrong call, but it makes me wonder what his ability to carry a team over multiple seasons would be like when comparing him to other guys on the list.

[1987_Lakers]

Was McHale widely thought of as a black hole on offense in his day? I have some late 80s Celtics games on DVD and man, alot of the time the ball went into him you weren't getting it back. He was obviously a deadly post scorer but makes me wonder if that would put a cap on his teams success if he was 'the man'. Or was he simply playing as the Celts wanted? Given their success I can't say they made the wrong call, but it makes me wonder what his ability to carry a team over multiple seasons would be like when comparing him to other guys on the list.

He improved his passing a bit by '86, but yea, he was never considered a passer by any means.

He may struggle leading a team as the #1 man the same way AD did, given he doesn't make plays for his teammates, his individual accolades even fall short compared to other players we are discussing, but McHale at his peak was a monster, unguardable in the post, no player in history had the variety of post moves he had. And defensively he was top tier, better defensively than guys like Barkley, Dirk, Karl, & Hayes. I tend to value his peak very high. It's only a matter of time AD & Giannis pass up McHale though.

[Phoenix]

He improved his passing a bit by '86, but yea, he was never considered a passer by any means.

He may struggle leading a team as the #1 man the same way AD did, given he doesn't make plays for his teammates, his individual accolades even fall short compared to other players we are discussing, but McHale at his peak was a monster, unguardable in the post, no player in history had the variety of post moves he had. And defensively he was top tier, better defensively than guys like Barkley, Dirk, Karl, & Hayes. I tend to value his peak very high. It's only a matter of time AD & Giannis pass up McHale though.

Yeah that's kind of where I am with McHale. I'm giving alot of cache to his peak play on those title teams, and I sometimes feel a little gross living in the moment and saying someone like Giannis should ranked higher, but he's trending as an all-time level peak ( at least the regular season) and its gonna be harder to justify ranking him at the bottom of the top 10 list much longer.

Hayes was completely before my time so I have to look at his body of work the same way I do guys like Wilt/ Russell/ Oscar etc and make a judgement call.

[L.Kizzle]

6-Bob Pettit
7-Dirk Nowitzki
8-Kevin Garnett
9-Anthony Davis
10-Pau Gasol/Chris Webber
I can't do anything with this.
You have two players in the 10 spot and Dirk/KG have already been voted in last round.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah that's kind of where I am with McHale. I'm giving alot of cache to his peak play on those title teams, and I sometimes feel a little gross living in the moment and saying someone like Giannis should ranked higher, but he's trending as an all-time level peak ( at least the regular season) and its gonna be harder to justify ranking him at the bottom of the top 10 list much longer.

Hayes was completely before my time so I have to look at his body of work the same way I do guys like Wilt/ Russell/ Oscar etc and make a judgement call.
Hayes WAS exceptional player. I mean he could score (led league is scoring), rebound (led league in rebounding) and was top 5 in blocks a few years.
I think he retired he was 3rd all-time in points behind Wilt and Kareem (who he took down at the big college game in 1968) and 3rd in rebounding behind Wilt and Russell.

Now those are the positives, he has some negatives. Was terrible teammate to play with, missed the playoffs a few times early in his career in San Diego (will give him benefit of the doubt, was an expansion franchise.)

He still deserves a top ten spot. I can't see him lower than 7, right below Pettit and Giannis. Def over McHale tho. Kevin doesn't have the individual accolades. ONE All-NBA Team. Spent the majority of his career as a 6th man.

[L.Kizzle]

pettit
davis
giannis
schayes
hayes
Shout-Out to the Dolph Schayes mention. Dolph was drafted in 1949 and by 1961 was still an All-NBA performer when the new wave of Wilt, Russell, Baylor, West and Robertson were taking over. Was also the best player on a championship team in 1955 *the first post shot clock era title.)

[Roundball_Rock]

Shout-Out to the Dolph Schayes mention. Dolph was drafted in 1949 and by 1961 was still an All-NBA performer when the new wave of Wilt, Russell, Baylor, West and Robertson were taking over. Was also the best player on a championship team in 1955 *the first post shot clock era title.)

Or it could have been a Danny Schayes mention (kidding, Danny was a scrub). :lol

[Phoenix]

Hayes WAS exceptional player. I mean he could score (led league is scoring), rebound (led league in rebounding) and was top 5 in blocks a few years.
I think he retired he was 3rd all-time in points behind Wilt and Kareem (who he took down at the big college game in 1968) and 3rd in rebounding behind Wilt and Russell.

Now those are the positives, he has some negatives. Was terrible teammate to play with, missed the playoffs a few times early in his career in San Diego (will give him benefit of the doubt, was an expansion franchise.)

He still deserves a top ten spot. I can't see him lower than 7, right below Pettit and Giannis. Def over McHale tho. Kevin doesn't have the individual accolades. ONE All-NBA Team. Spent the majority of his career as a 6th man.

Yeah I put alot of stock on his role in the Celtics dynasty but that's where these things get tricky comparing players across eras and with different roles. I don't have the personal experience with Hayes to really compare him against any of these guys, but that's gonna be the case for most on the board.

[L.Kizzle]

Yeah I put alot of stock on his role in the Celtics dynasty but that's where these things get tricky comparing players across eras and with different roles. I don't have the personal experience with Hayes to really compare him against any of these guys, but that's gonna be the case for most on the board.
McHale has very little individual accolades compared to the other top PF's, that's all I'm saying. Tho he does have like six all-defensive teams but just ONE All-NBA Team.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

McHale has very little individual accolades compared to the other top PF's, that's all I'm saying. Tho he does have like six all-defensive teams but just ONE All-NBA Team.

Playing with an all time great teams, especially at that time, meant some sacrifice of individual accolades for team success. James Worthy has significantly worse individual awards/accolades, yet I'm pretty sure I'm voting him over Carmelo.

[Shooter]

Kevin McHale
Bob Pettit
Elvin Hayes
Pau Gasol
Anthony Davis

[Phoenix]

McHale has very little individual accolades compared to the other top PF's, that's all I'm saying. Tho he does have like six all-defensive teams but just ONE All-NBA Team.

Yeah I got what you mean. You had guys like King, Nique, then Barkley and Mailman contending for those spots. Making All-NBA first team in that time frame was a tough nut to crack, especially when one of your own teammates had one of the forward positions on lock during their run.

[HoopsNY]

McHale has very little individual accolades compared to the other top PF's, that's all I'm saying. Tho he does have like six all-defensive teams but just ONE All-NBA Team.

It's not really a fair point given that McHale was entirely a system player. He came off the bench for the majority of his career, including the playoffs I believe.

In fact, he has 971 career games played with just 400 starts. That's pretty telling. McHale's ability defensively and his low post presence makes me wonder why people rate him so low. I'd have to put him ahead of Dirk.

[HoopsNY]

Yeah I got what you mean. You had guys like King, Nique, then Barkley and Mailman contending for those spots. Making All-NBA first team in that time frame was a tough nut to crack, especially when one of your own teammates had one of the forward positions on lock during their run.

Not to mention, Larry Bird.

[Phoenix]

Not to mention, Larry Bird.

Yes that's who I was referring to 'one of your own teammates had one of the forward positions on lock'. I meant Bird lol....

[HoopsNY]

Yes that's who I was referring to 'one of your own teammates had one of the forward positions on lock'. I meant Bird lol....

My bad, glossed over that, lol.

[Dagoods]

More than likely KD will switch to the 4th spot. So he has a chance on becoming the best stretch-4 ever.