Why couldn’t any of LeBron’s teammates either outscore, outrebound, or outassist him

[Gus Hemmingway]

... for any of the championships?


LeBron played with like 50 different teammates, and none of them could do it.

[SouBeachTalents]

AD just outscored him, albeit by literally one basket :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

AD just outscored him, albeit by literally one basket :lol

Not in the Finals

[ImKobe]

Lebron plays a ball-dominant style and had favorable match-ups in the Playoffs. Also, he did his best padding his numbers in blowout-situations. This was also his first Playoff run without an elimination game and majority of these games were blowouts, so he had plenty of opportunities. Still an all-time great run, but this explains your premise. It was Westbrook-esque with AD boxing out and guarding the best opposing perimeter player and him rushing for the rebound to initiate the offense quicker. AD did outscore him in the RS & Playoffs.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron plays a ball-dominant style and had favorable match-ups in the Playoffs. Also, he did his best padding his numbers in blowout-situations. This was also his first Playoff run without an elimination game and majority of these games were blowouts, so he had plenty of opportunities. Still an all-time great run, but this explains your premise. It was Westbrook-esque with AD boxing out and guarding the best opposing perimeter player and him rushing for the rebound to initiate the offense quicker. AD did outscore him in the RS & Playoffs.

Kobe missed the playoffs with a prime Dwight Howard

LeBron won the championship with a 34 year old Dwight Howard


Who played the better play style?

[ImKobe]

Kobe missed the playoffs with a prime Dwight Howard

LeBron won the championship with a 34 year old Dwight Howard


Who played the better play style?

Lakers made the playoffs in '13 with Howard as the #2 option, they got blown out by a historic fashion in a sweep without Kobe (Gasol was 0-16 without Kobe in the Playoffs after that one).

Lebron won the championship with Howard as his 4th/5th best player.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lakers made the playoffs in '13 with Howard as the #2 option, they got blown out by a historic fashion in a sweep without Kobe (Gasol was 0-16 without Kobe in the Playoffs after that one).

Lebron won the championship with Howard as his 4th/5th best player.

2013 Dwight = 2020 AD

Gasol, Nash, Artest >> rest of 2020 Lakers


Who had more help?

[ImKobe]

2013 Dwight = 2020 AD

Gasol, Nash, Artest >> rest of 2020 Lakers


Who had more help?

2013 Dwight didn't lead the Lakers in scoring, rebounds, steals and blocks & also in PER & winshares.

[Gus Hemmingway]

2013 Dwight didn't lead the Lakers in scoring, rebounds, steals and blocks & also in PER & winshares.


Neither did AD (in the playoffs and Finals)

[ImKobe]

Neither did AD (in the playoffs and Finals)

AD was the leading scorer in both RS & Playoffs. Lebron was a #2.

[Roundball_Rock]

AD just outscored him, albeit by literally one basket :lol

Shh...don't let "Coach/Samurai/etc." know AD "outscored LeBron" by only 582-580. He has been obsessed with that talking point as he attempts to cope with the pain.


2013 Dwight didn't lead the Lakers in scoring, rebounds, steals and blocks & also in PER & winshares.

Interesting. Gasol let the 2010 Lakers in PER, WS, BPM (Kobe was ahead in VORP). Gasol>Kobe in 2010? Or do those only apply to the 20' Lakers, not the 10' Lakers?

[ImKobe]

Shh...don't let "Coach/Samurai/etc." know AD "outscored LeBron" by only 582-580. He has been obsessed with that talking point as he attempts to cope with the pain.



Interesting. Gasol let the 2010 Lakers in PER, WS, BPM (Kobe was ahead in VORP). Gasol>Kobe in 2010? Or do those only apply to the 20' Lakers, not the 10' Lakers?

He still outscored him both in the RS & Playoffs while being by far the most impactful defender on the Lakers (also led them/was tied for most steals & blocks both RS & POs), can you tell us the closest Pippen came to outscoring Jordan for a RS/Playoff run?

I did the research for you, Pippen as the #1 option averaged 22.0 ppg, which trumps Jordan's last season as 39/40 years old. AD has outscored Lebron 3 of the last 4 RS, the only reason he didn't last year was because the Pelicans shut him down after the trade rumors, he was averaging 29.3 ppg before that.

[tpols]

I mean... he's a stat hog. Fun fact, Michael Jordan actually averages more offensive rebounds per game in the playoffs than Lebron. Lebron gets easy defensive boards. And offensively hijacks the whole system to work as play finishers for him. AD and Kyrie fit very well, but Wade, Bosh and Love were cratered. MJ could fit with anybody because he could play on or off ball. This leads to higher team ceilings and "dynasty" playoff runs, instead of one off talent based winning.

[Roundball_Rock]

Interesting info. AD must be really, really good I take it (finishing 3rd in MVP like AD did once means you are really good, right?)? Given that, how did his teams do in his 7 years in New Orleans? He played with a lot of talent there. That talent, combined with Anthony Davis=Kareem surely meant a lot of 50+ win seasons and many deep playoff runs. How many 50+ win seasons and how many playoff series did AD win in those 7 years (of which he was a star for 6)? Thanks in advance. :cheers:

Damn, 22 must be really low, I guess? :( So why couldn't MJ's comp even put up 20? In 12 Finals/ECF's, only two sidekicks cleared 20+ (one, in a finals, couldn't even get to double digits unless you round and that guy was 7 PPG in the final 5 games of that series). In 7 finals/ECFs during those runs where a perimeter player was the opposing #1, only one cleared 20+ and he did it on 41% (none of these shot over 50%, only one was above 48%). MJ's comp therefore must have been pretty weak then? 22 would be an improvement for these players' performances against MJ's team. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

I mean... he's a stat hog. Fun fact, Michael Jordan actually averages more offensive rebounds per game in the playoffs than Lebron. Lebron gets easy defensive boards. And offensively hijacks the whole system to work as play finishers for him. AD and Kyrie fit very well, but Wade, Bosh and Love were cratered. MJ could fit with anybody because he could play on or off ball. This leads to higher team ceilings and "dynasty" playoff runs, instead of one off talent based winning.

AD & Wade were willing to win titles in Bron's shadow after playing on some bad teams, but Kyrie clearly had an issue with that after getting next to no credit for his performances in the 1 - 3 comeback, there's 0 chance they do it without his heroics in Game 5 and Game 7 but Lebron/media never gave him the credit he deserved, the media actually took it as far as calling Lebron his father..

[tpols]

AD & Wade were willing to win titles in Bron's shadow after playing on some bad teams, but Kyrie clearly had an issue with that after getting next to no credit for his performances in the 1 - 3 comeback, there's 0 chance they do it without his heroics in Game 5 and Game 7 but Lebron/media never gave him the credit he deserved, the media actually took it as far as calling Lebron his father..

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.

[ImKobe]

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.

They act as if the Game 7 shot is the only thing he contributed in the Finals, he was the 2nd best overall player in the series. The 10 straight points to put away Game 5 after Klay heated up were as big as anything anyone did in that series. Lebron was the best player in the series, but Irving's so underrated because people are focused on Lebron.

[Doranku]

Interesting info. AD must be really, really good I take it (finishing 3rd in MVP like AD did once means you are really good, right?)? Given that, how did his teams do in his 7 years in New Orleans? He played with a lot of talent there. That talent, combined with Anthony Davis=Kareem surely meant a lot of 50+ win seasons and many deep playoff runs. How many 50+ win seasons and how many playoff series did AD win in those 7 years (of which he was a star for 6)? Thanks in advance. :cheers:

Damn, 22 must be really low, I guess? :( So why couldn't MJ's comp even put up 20? In 12 Finals/ECF's, only two sidekicks cleared 20+ (one, in a finals, couldn't even get to double digits unless you round and that guy was 7 PPG in the final 5 games of that series). In 7 finals/ECFs during those runs where a perimeter player was the opposing #1, only one cleared 20+ and he did it on 41% (none of these shot over 50%, only one was above 48%). MJ's comp therefore must have been pretty weak then? 22 would be an improvement for these players' performances against MJ's team. :oldlol:

A lot of talent? lmao the only notable teammates AD had in 7 years were Jrue Holiday and 65 games of DeMarcus Cousins.

[Gus Hemmingway]

What has Kyrie done without LeBron?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.

Yet another game where LeBron's teammates failed to outscore, outrebound or outassist him, just like OP said. :applause:

Also, LeBron became the third player to do this in game 5 this year :applause:

[tpols]

A lot of talent? lmao the only notable teammates AD had in 7 years were Jrue Holiday and 65 games of DeMarcus Cousins.

He's a shamelesss, shameless troll. Yea... in an era of GOAT dynasty Warriors, stacked Clippers, stacked Spurs, stacked Thunder, etc. and Lebron's super teams, I guess Jrue Holiday is considered a lot of talent. :lol :facepalm Cousins never played a single playoff game, but even if he did he is the Westbrook of centers so it wouldn't have mattered. AD averaged the same numbers now he did back then. He's never had a bad playoff run. His playoff metrics are ridiculous.

[SouBeachTalents]

Also, LeBron became the third player to do this in game 5 this year :applause:
I didn't even realize that :oldlol: Butler did the same thing in Game 3, while having a triple double to boot

[Axe]

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.
What happened to curry in the 2016 series

[Mauzah]

because he hi-jacks the entire team offense to protect his much needed stats so you moops will pick up the rest of the slack of anointing this clown the GOAT

You dumbasses have been had and don't even know it :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.

how did he do that? was that when he was playing in boston? brooklyn?

oh :(

[And1AllDay]

because he hi-jacks the entire team offense to protect his much needed stats so you moops will pick up the rest of the slack of anointing this clown the GOAT

You dumbasses have been had and don't even know it :roll:

can you list me alll every player with more finals mps then bran pls

[kawhileonard2]

Wade and Bosh outscored Lebron in the finals as well and Bosh outrebounded him.

[Bronbron23]

... for any of the championships?


LeBron played with like 50 different teammates, and none of them could do it.

You mean championships they won obviously because He was outplayed by numerous people on both teams before

[Bronbron23]

... for any of the championships?


LeBron played with like 50 different teammates, and none of them could do it.

Championships they won you mean? Because bron was out played by numerous guys on both teams in 2011

[Gus Hemmingway]

Championships they won you mean? Because bron was out played by numerous guys on both teams in 2011

lol you just repeated yourself

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol you just repeated yourself

Meltdown or alt fail?

[light]

... for any of the championships?


LeBron played with like 50 different teammates, and none of them could do it.

There is rarely anyone on his teams who can even outrebound him. Anthony Davis couldn't even do it.

Kevin Love did it once in 2018 and Bosh in 2011 but those were the only times.

He's either so much better than everyone he's played with or his teammates just aren't on the level.

[And1AllDay]

There is rarely anyone on his teams who can even outrebound him. Anthony Davis couldn't even do it.

Kevin Love did it once in 2018 and Bosh in 2011 but those were the only times.

He's either so much better than everyone he's played with or his teammates just aren't on the level.

leplayoff king legoat

[Roundball_Rock]

A lot of talent? lmao the only notable teammates AD had in 7 years were Jrue Holiday and 65 games of DeMarcus Cousins.

As far as stars go. Eric Gordon was the #3 option on a championship contender in Houston. Rondo was in NO. Mirotic was a solid player. Etc. If AD=Kareem, shouldn't this be enough to do something? They had two winning records, never cleared 50+ and won one playoff series. You aren't winning a chip with those rosters but if AD=Kareem and AD>LeBron surely he could have lifted them to much better outcomes.

Pippen, who AD was compared to by the 3ball disciple, won 55 with Horace Grant as his best teammate in 1 full year as a #1 option. AD couldn't do it with JRue over all those seasons? Most years, the Pelicans had a losing record.

[MadDog]

AD literally outscored, outrebounded and ouatdefended LeBron this entire playoff run. :confusedshrug: Name another "GOAT candidate" this applies to.

[Hey Yo]

Dude... Kyrie literally went Wilt on the league.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/ee/aa/bfeeaaadea68fd83b0e71565c9cfae67.jpg

Like... what? :oldlol:

And you're right most people act like he's a career bum.

Praising Kyrie for his Finals play against his main defender who allegedly could barely walk???

[Gus Hemmingway]

Have we figured this out yet?

[PeroAntic]

Nobody outscored outrebounded or outassisted Jimmy Butler either. stfu.

[Baller789]

Lebron=Westbrook triple double seasons


Just because nobody out statpadded him, doesn't really mean much.

[Bronbron23]

... for any of the championships?


LeBron played with like 50 different teammates, and none of them could do it.

Its impossible to out score and out assist great ball dominant players. The ball is always in their hands and the whole system is built around them.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I mean... he's a stat hog. Fun fact, Michael Jordan actually averages more offensive rebounds per game in the playoffs than Lebron. Lebron gets easy defensive boards. And offensively hijacks the whole system to work as play finishers for him. AD and Kyrie fit very well, but Wade, Bosh and Love were cratered. MJ could fit with anybody because he could play on or off ball. This leads to higher team ceilings and "dynasty" playoff runs, instead of one off talent based winning.

Actually only AD fit very well ‘cause he fits well with any teammates and systems. I won’t say Irving fit well with Lebron, Irving was not even involved in lebron’s system at all and he just played iso-ball on his own. Lebron’s play style is a double edged sword, it turns role players and bench warmers into quality players but just won’t fit well with most all star or superstar teammates.

Among all 10 all star caliber teammates Lebron had in his career, only AD fit in his system, the other 9 ain’t compatible with Lebron ball. This should tell enough about the flaw of the system, high floor but low ceiling. The one thing that guarantees Lebron’s success in the first round of playoffs, is exactly the same thing that stops him from winning in the finals.

[tpols]

Praising Kyrie for his Finals play against his main defender who allegedly could barely walk???

you just exposed yourself holmes... klay was the primary defender on Kyrie. He was eating his lunch.

[kawhileonard2]

AD just outscored him, albeit by literally one basket :lol

And Wade and Bosh did in the finals as well

[TheGoatest]

If LeBron played on "stacked" teams, then imagine how good LeBron must be to lead those stacked teams in all those categories. :D

[kawhileonard2]

If LeBron played on "stacked" teams, then imagine how good LeBron must be to lead those stacked teams in all those categories. :D

He didn't, Wade and Bosh outplayed him. He was the 12th man on the Olympic team as well.

[And1AllDay]

Lebron=Westbrook triple double seasons


Just because nobody out statpadded him, doesn't really mean much.
try harder :oldlol:

bran dont know nothin about 1st rd exits with stat padding

mike jordan = russel westbrook
1sr rd exits and stat padding yikes
1-9 kingz

sorry, bran dont know nothin about 1st rd exits with stat padding

[Baller789]

try harder :oldlol:

bran dont know nothin about 1st rd exits with stat padding

mike jordan = russel westbrook
1sr rd exits and stat padding yikes
1-9 kingz

sorry, bran dont know nothin about 1st rd exits with stat padding

Meltdown

[Gus Hemmingway]

Bump

[Gudo]

because he always wants the ball in his hands and because his physical gifts work well in this no touch era. and because he is statistically vain to compensate for the skills that he could not develop.

[Chest Rockwell]

because he always wants the ball in his hands and because his physical gifts work well in this no touch era. and because he is statistically vain to compensate for the skills that he could not develop.

Bingo. That is correct.

Once LeBron failed in his couple of halfhearted attempts in leading his originally drafted franchise, organically built Cavs squads to the promise land, at the primordial age of 25 going on 26, he pushed in all his chips in going all-in on the optics - and nothing but the optics - for his career legacy (i.e shameless stat padding, stacking the deck to laughable proportions for shoe-in finals appearances and thus more easy-path opportunities for collecting rings for faux arguments sake; all the while uniting an open-arms embracement co-op with the NBA and their media partners in gaslighting the legions of basketball ignorant casual "bro" fans found in such places as Insidehoops.com in pushing this false narrative that the collective stats, conference championships and the ever-so-often rings captured as a result -- culminated by a stats-first/winning second, moderately skilled, weak-minded, stiff-hipped, juiced-up mack truck with sub-par footwork, cringe-inducing post play, a sh*tty jump shot, mediocre handles and a penchant for turning the ball over -- are somehow impressive and to be celebrated; and even more gallingly, in some fictitious ways (wait, hold in your laughter for just a couple more seconds), somehow even more impressive than the (in reality) more admirable, more challenging, more respectable playing environment and hard-earned efforts and/or titles accrued by the greats of the game who came before this wildly overrated, nauseatingly overhyped, insecure, fake-cast havin', intermittent headband wearing douchebag)