Do you believe Texas should have only one drop box per country?

[Kblaze8855]

Simple question.

The county with Houston in it has over 4 million people. They planned many drop points for obvious reasons.

Governor says only one. Judges blocked it....unblocked it...blocked it...unblocked it. In the end....theres only one.

Is that something you think is reasonable regardless of your leanings?

[starface]

Simple question.

The county with Houston in it has over 4 million people. They planned many drop points for obvious reasons.

Governor says only one. Judges blocked it....unblocked it...blocked it...unblocked it. In the end....theres only one.

Is that something you think is reasonable regardless of your leanings?

That's a nice payday for the Texas Bar Association.

[bladefd]

Republicans know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - it hurts the voting in urban cities, which is where a bulk of the Democrat voters tend to be. They like to inconvenient people and make it as hard as they can for people to vote. On election day, they will also limit the number of voting booths & number of people working them to make the lines as long as possible to the point that people leave rather than wait 6 hrs to vote.

It's the Republican way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.

[Cleverness]

Simple question.

The county with Houston in it has over 4 million people. They planned many drop points for obvious reasons.

Governor says only one. Judges blocked it....unblocked it...blocked it...unblocked it. In the end....theres only one.

Is that something you think is reasonable regardless of your leanings?

What are the obvious reasons?


Republicans know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - it hurts the voting in urban cities, which is where a bulk of the Democrat voters tend to be. They like to inconvenient people and make it as hard as they can for people to vote. On election day, they will also limit the number of voting booths & number of people working them to make the lines as long as possible to the point that people leave rather than wait 6 hrs to vote.

It's the Republican way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.

Democrats know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - win at all costs, even if it involves shady practices, and the Democrat party is where the majority of the fraud occurs. In 2016 California Democrats passed a law allowing anybody, including paid campaign operatives and political parties, to collect and return mail-in ballots. We should oppose ballot harvesting because it invites mischief and undermines public confidence in elections. Democrats dismiss these concerns and argue that ballot harvesting increases voter access. Ballot integrity isn’t among their priorities.

It's the Democrat way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.

[Kblaze8855]

What are the obvious reasons for a city of 4 million people to have more than one drop box?

Do we have to play these stupid games?

[SATAN]

"Cleverness" at it again :facepalm

[starface]

Personally I think it’s great when casting a ballot takes a bit of effort. Important things usually do. Weeding out fickle and uncommitted voters? Obviously if you tend to lean conservative youll see that as a good thing, if you lean the other way youll see it differently. Just a matter of perspective.

There a reason the Democratic political machine, backed by wealthy bankers, corrupt unions, etc, target young people and minorities as their base. Their lack of life experience and traditional lack of education makes them the easiest to propagandize with a message that counter balances conservative principles. And the goal is always to maintain that division. If the country was all conservatives, government and banks and union leaders would have waaaaay less power.

They need guys like bladefd to be loyal bureaucrats, because if America is a bunch of small and independent communities, hed be at the way way bottom of any social hierarchy. Hes never gonna be that alpha type. His prospects are better as a loyal servant in a giant machine, where espousing memorized talking points and enforcing arbitrary state dicta will hopefully get him promoted. The DNC is the giant beehive for beta bureaucrats. Guys like Bladefd, Millertime, Primetime... mindless mole men who can stave off falling to the very bottom by being order takers and slogan repeaters. As long as they support the big, ever-growing conglomeration of government and business into one giant bureaucracy, they get a small piece of its produce.

On their own, as individuals? Theyre NPCs.

Has nothing to do with right or wrong, logical or illogical. It’s which option is better for each person. Guys like that gravitate toward being a cog in a wheel rather than relying on individual strength, for obvious reasons.

It isnt anything right or wrong about it.

What it is... is what it is.

[bladefd]

What are the obvious reasons?



Democrats know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - win at all costs, even if it involves shady practices, and the Democrat party is where the majority of the fraud occurs. In 2016 California Democrats passed a law allowing anybody, including paid campaign operatives and political parties, to collect and return mail-in ballots. We should oppose ballot harvesting because it invites mischief and undermines public confidence in elections. Democrats dismiss these concerns and argue that ballot harvesting increases voter access. Ballot integrity isn’t among their priorities.

It's the Democrat way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.

Most states require you to write down who collected your ballot, if someone else did. Regardless, I have never heard of some campaign operatives coming by to pick up ballots in bulk like that. Maybe it happens in California but certainly not the northeast where I live or the Southern states like Florida or Texas.


Anyways, Republicans under Trump did an investigation and were unable to find widespread corruption. They killed the investigation when they realized they had nothing beyond a few isolated cases.

Democrats try to make it easier to vote by having more voting booths in each voting place, having multiple voting places per county, more people working them, and setting up many drop off boxes per county. All of the things Republican party does not try to do. Why is that?

[starface]

Most states require you to write down who collected your ballot, if someone else did. Regardless, I have never heard of some campaign operatives coming by to pick up ballots in bulk like that.

Anyways, Republicans under Trump did an investigation and were unable to find widespread corruption. They killed the investigation when they realized they had nothing beyond a few isolated cases.

Democrats try to make it easier to vote by having more voting booths in each voting place, having multiple voting places per county, more people working them, and setting up many drop off boxes per county. All of the things Republican party does not try to do. Why is that?

Because Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Harvey Weinstein have an enormous altruistic concern for you and your family and the future of this great nation.



:lol

[Kblaze8855]

Personally I think it’s great when casting a ballot takes a bit of effort. Important things usually do. Weeding out fickle and uncommitted voters? Obviously if you tend to lean conservative youll see that as a good thing, if you lean the other way youll see it differently. Just a matter of perspective.

The person who made me care about voting being born in 1902 Jim Crow South Carolina also left me with a fairly low view of those who try to make voting harder for reasons im sure you can imagine.

All that underhanded shit bugs me. You just know some scumbag(from either party...both do it) is printing up cards to stick in mailboxes and get to the elderly telling them election day for people in their zip code has been changed to the next day. That...purging voters from the wrong neighborhoods. All that nonsense that happens every time out of fear that the peoples will isnt what you want it to be.

I dont personally think Texas is as in play as people say. Especially not with republicans in so much of the internal power structure that we both know is used to rig it(in both left and right states). I dont think this is gonna matter electoral college wise. Not till 2028 maybe. Its just.....scummy. So openly anti democracy....


We both know both sides would happily take a win if they could cheat to get it. And then they would take an oath to defend the constitution and pretend to love America. Just lame ass behavior.

[Cleverness]

What are the obvious reasons for a city of 4 million people to have more than one drop box?

Do we have to play these stupid games?

Not interested in your "stupid games."

Just defend your "obvious" position.

What is the "obvious reasons" why they need multiple drop boxes for ballots?


Personally I think it’s great when casting a ballot takes a bit of effort. Important things usually do. Weeding out fickle and uncommitted voters? Obviously if you tend to lean conservative youll see that as a good thing, if you lean the other way youll see it differently. Just a matter of perspective.

There a reason the Democratic political machine, backed by wealthy bankers, corrupt unions, etc, target young people and minorities as their base. Their lack of life experience and traditional lack of education makes them the easiest to propagandize with a message that counter balances conservative principles. And the goal is always to maintain that division. If the country was all conservatives, government and banks and union leaders would have waaaaay less power.

They need guys like bladefd to be loyal bureaucrats, because if America is a bunch of small and independent communities, hed be at the way way bottom of any social hierarchy. Hes never gonna be that alpha type. His prospects are better as a loyal servant in a giant machine, where espousing memorized talking points and enforcing arbitrary state dicta will hopefully get him promoted. The DNC is the giant beehive for beta bureaucrats. Guys like Bladefd, Millertime, Primetime... mindless mole men who can stave off falling to the very bottom by being order takers and slogan repeaters. As long as they support the big, ever-growing conglomeration of government and business into one giant bureaucracy, they get a small piece of its produce.

On their own, as individuals? Theyre NPCs.

Has nothing to do with right or wrong, logical or illogical. It’s which option is better for each person. Guys like that gravitate toward being a cog in a wheel rather than relying on individual strength, for obvious reasons.

It isnt anything right or wrong about it.

What it is... is what it is.


Because Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Harvey Weinstein have an enormous altruistic concern for you and your family and the future of this great nation.



:lol

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

I have no idea what your political leanings are but:


Not interested in your "stupid games."

Just defend your "obvious" position.

What is the "obvious reasons" why they need multiple drop boxes for ballots?


Is reason enough to not talk to you again about anything id take serious.

[starface]

The person who made me care about voting being born in 1902 Jim Crow South Carolina also left me with a fairly low view of those who try to make voting harder for reasons im sure you can imagine.

All that underhanded shit bugs me. You just know some scumbag(from either party...both do it) is printing up cards to stick in mailboxes and get to the elderly telling them election day for people in their zip code has been changed to the next day. That...purging voters from the wrong neighborhoods. All that nonsense that happens every time out of fear that the peoples will isnt what you want it to be.

I dont personally think Texas is as in play as people say. Especially not with republics in so much of the internal power structure that we both know is used to rig it(in both left and right states). I dont think this is gonna matter electoral college wise. Not till 2028 maybe. Its just.....scummy. So openly anti democracy....


We both know both sides would happily take a win if they could cheat to get it. And then they would take an oath to defend the constitution and pretend to love America. Just lame ass behavior.


Sure. The thing is, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. What we perceive as “fair” today isnt what the Founding Fathers thought a fair democracy was. Heck there were plenty of white men who couldnt vote in early America. You had to have a certain amount of property and so on. You couldnt just be a homeless beggar waltzing into a ballot booth and voting for whichever candidate shook your hand last on the street, and flicked you a nickel for booze. Today? You can. Is that a good thing? Again, in the eye of the beholder. To say nothing of the voting prohibition on women and slaves, which the national architects considered so obvious it didnt need to be stated.

At the end of the day, everyone thinks there way is best. Sure, the rules today are that everyone gets a vote. How “easy” it is to exercise it isnt written in any constitutional guideline. Knowing that every side wants to win and wants their interests to prevail, it’s quite obvious that anyone who actively makes it EASIER to vote... is doing so because they stand to benefit personally. Not as some grand civic nod to the democratic ideal. If “make it easy or Im not voting” type voters tended to support Republicans and vice versa, we’d be having this exact same convo with parties reversed

It’s far from self evident that “the more people voting, the better off the country is!” One could very easily argue the opposite. It is the system we have, so thats why we do it. That hardly means it’s optimal.

Laws like “you cant vote unless your grand daddy did” and other obvious barriers that made it IMPOSSIBLE for immigrant children or descendants of slaves etc to vote are obviously not in the spirit of equality and are rightfully prohibited now.

Laws that make anyone and everyone put in at least a minimum amount of legwork? Again, it all just comes down to which way you want the election to go. None of us are above it.

[Cleverness]

I have no idea what your political leanings are but:

Is reason enough to not talk to you again about anything id take serious.

I'm simply questioning your position. I figured something so "obvious" would be quite easy to defend, but you seem to be having troubles doing that. Even going so far as to say that questioning your position "is reason enough to never talk" to someone again? Maybe you should stop and think for a second about the possibility of being overconfident.

[Cleverness]

Sure. The thing is, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. What we perceive as “fair” today isnt what the Founding Fathers thought a fair democracy was. Heck there were plenty of white men who couldnt vote in early America. You had to have a certain amount of property and so on. You couldnt just be a homeless beggar waltzing into a ballot booth and voting for whichever candidate shook your hand last on the street, and flicked you a nickel for booze. Today? You can. Is that a good thing? Again, in the eye of the beholder. Obviously this says nothing of that voting prohibition on women and slaves, which the national architects considered so obvious it didnt need to be stated.

At the end of the day, everyone thinks there way is best. Sure, the rules today are that everyone gets a vote. How “easy” it is to exercise it isnt written in any constitutional guideline. Knowing that every side wants to win and wants their interests to prevail, it’s quite obvious that anyone who actively makes it EASIER to vote... is doing so because they stand to benefit personally. Not as some grand civic nod to the democratic ideal. If “make it easy or Im not voting” type voters tended to support Republicans and vice versa, we’d be having this exact same convo with parties reversed

Laws like “you cant vote unless your grand daddy did” and other obvious barriers that made it IMPOSSIBLE for immigrant children or descendants of slaves etc to vote are obviously not in the spirit of equality and are rightfully prohibited now.

Laws that make anyone and everyone put in at least a minimum amount of legwork? Again, it all just comes down to which way you want the election to go. None of us are above it.

:applause:

[SATAN]

I have no idea what your political leanings are but:




Is reason enough to not talk to you again about anything id take serious.

:applause:

[Cleverness]

At the end of the day, everyone thinks there way is best. Sure, the rules today are that everyone gets a vote. How “easy” it is to exercise it isnt written in any constitutional guideline. Knowing that every side wants to win and wants their interests to prevail, it’s quite obvious that anyone who actively makes it EASIER to vote... is doing so because they stand to benefit personally. Not as some grand civic nod to the democratic ideal. If “make it easy or Im not voting” type voters tended to support Republicans and vice versa, we’d be having this exact same convo with parties reversed

Exactly

Many states don't even offer drop off boxes.

Yet OP implying several things here
-Houston should "obviously" have drop boxes
-Also they should have multiple drop off boxes
-this is "obvious" they should multiple drop off boxes
-people who question him should be ignored forever

Amazing stuff coming from someone who is usually rational.

[starface]

Exactly

Many states don't even offer drop off boxes.

Yet OP implying several things here
-Houston should "obviously" have drop boxes
-Also they should have multiple drop off boxes
-this is "obvious" they should multiple drop off boxes
-people who question him should be ignored forever

Amazing stuff coming from someone who is usually rational.


Yep. The “rules of democracy” are a lot more arbitrary than we tend to think.

Why is 18 the age of adulthood and voting? Why isnt a mature, educated, responsible 17 year old given the right to vote? Society has obviously decided to make 18 the cut off, but why? Is there any fundamentally “fair” explanation for why that number was chosen? If you lower the age to 16 or 17, youll get a few more responsible voters... and a whole lot more bozos. Is that a good thing? Im sure Bladefd and Barrack Obama would say yes. Others would say no.

Men and women actually reach adulthood literally at different ages on average. Why are they both considered adults at the same time for the purposes of voting? Its just the way we do it.

Theres not always an objective reason to say “voting should be done this specific way.” Ultimately we have to make some cut offs. Any given guideline may appear sensible to one person, and nefarious to another. And itll usually coincide with how you intend to vote.

[Kblaze8855]

Sure. The thing is, democracy is in the eye of the beholder. What we perceive as “fair” today isnt what the Founding Fathers thought a fair democracy was. Heck there were plenty of white men who couldnt vote in early America. You had to have a certain amount of property and so on. You couldnt just be a homeless beggar waltzing into a ballot booth and voting for whichever candidate shook your hand last on the street, and flicked you a nickel for booze. Today? You can. Is that a good thing? Again, in the eye of the beholder. To say nothing of the voting prohibition on women and slaves, which the national architects considered so obvious it didnt need to be stated.

At the end of the day, everyone thinks there way is best. Sure, the rules today are that everyone gets a vote. How “easy” it is to exercise it isnt written in any constitutional guideline. Knowing that every side wants to win and wants their interests to prevail, it’s quite obvious that anyone who actively makes it EASIER to vote... is doing so because they stand to benefit personally. Not as some grand civic nod to the democratic ideal. If “make it easy or Im not voting” type voters tended to support Republicans and vice versa, we’d be having this exact same convo with parties reversed

It’s far from self evident that “the more people voting, the better off the country is!” One could very easily argue the opposite. It is the system we have, so thats why we do it. That hardly means it’s optimal.

Laws like “you cant vote unless your grand daddy did” and other obvious barriers that made it IMPOSSIBLE for immigrant children or descendants of slaves etc to vote are obviously not in the spirit of equality and are rightfully prohibited now.

Laws that make anyone and everyone put in at least a minimum amount of legwork? Again, it all just comes down to which way you want the election to go. None of us are above it.



Telling 4 million possible voters to use one box when your own officials set up like 12 is not "What you think is right". Neither is lying to the elderly about election day, voting with dead names, drawing a district around all the black or white people in your state to make sure they cant alter statewide races, or looking for any reason to throw out votes.

Nobody thinks those things are right. They think they are effective. They might think that the greater good is done by their side winning....but nobody is deluded enough to think they are doing whats right while working up a "Due to covid Election day is November 7th for everyone with a last name after the letter N" letter to drop off in neighborhoods with the wrong color or age people.

Id drive an elderly Trump voter to vote if one ever asked me. Not that South Carolina is gonna be a swing state....but...you know?

Why be evil?

I know lots of perfectly good people who dont vote like I do. Im in a work group chat with 2 hardcore republicans and a girl from cali who is more liberal than ill ever be. We just trade pics of our nice dinners and talk shit. We dont have to be so evil to eachother we tuck our decency away to steal the voice of other Americans.

We have to stoop this low?

[Nanners]

Harris county should probably have more than 1 dropbox... but apparently in this nation you have to live with the shitty decisions your state governor makes, regardless of how authoritarian that decision may be.

In my state the governor has forced enormous numbers of small businesses into permanent closure with her absurd covid rules, and she refuses to do anything to discourage our endless "mostly peaceful protests" (aka riots), or do anything to attempt to punish the dozens of anarchists arrested for breaking all sorts of laws at these protests on a nightly basis... so I dont really think my governor is "reasonable" either but thats just the way the cookie crumbles I suppose

[Kblaze8855]

Covid made an awful lot of people realize the importance of local elections im sure. Think voting doesnt matter then the mayor says you lose your job.

The local people a lot of times are the most openly corrupt because nobody is looking.

If youre bored read about Georgias last governor election where the guy who won was like...the state secretary....so he presided over his own election and just stole votes every way possible.

I hope we dont get to a point the state legislatures pick the president for the House. Its happened before.

Now THAT will be epic corruption.

[starface]

Telling 4 million possible voters to use one box when your own officials set up like 12 is not "What you think is right". Neither is lying to the elderly about election day, voting with dead names, drawing a district around all the black or white people in your state to make sure they cant alter statewide races, or looking for any reason to throw out votes.

Nobody thinks those things are right. They think they are effective. They might think that the greater good is done by their side winning....but nobody is deluded enough to think they are doing whats right while working up a "Due to covid Election day is November 7th for everyone with a last name after the letter N" letter to drop off in neighborhoods with the wrong color or age people.

Id drive an elderly Trump voter to vote if one ever asked me. Not that South Carolina is gonna be a swing state....but...you know?

Why be evil?

I know lots of perfectly good people who dont vote like I do. Im in a work group chat with 2 hardcore republicans and a girl from cali who is more liberal than ill ever be. We just trade pics of our nice dinners and talk shit. We dont have to be so evil to eachother we tuck our decency away to steal the voice of other Americans.

We have to stoop this low?


Well again, the republican side is simply going to say it’s a better safeguard against unethical voting to have FEWER drop boxes. The Democrats will say it promotes fairness to have MORE.

At the end of the day, both sides are taking their position for the exact same reasons.

Psychologically people generally prefer to hear yes rather than no. Everyone wants a “player’s coach.”

The Dems play that role in politics, and say yes just often enough to keep their constituents loyal and trusting. While ultimately serving the interests of more specific institutions. Remember when Hillary Clinton told an audience of wealthy business people “As a politician, you kind of have to have a public position and a private position?” Democrats pretend to give a shit, while not giving a shit. Republicans do too when it comes to things like deficits and surveillance. Theyre all phony.

So IMO having 20 drop boxes is no more honest or integral than having 1. Both sides have cases they can hide behind while ultimately being motivated by self interest. Just depends how you want the erection to play out.

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

Both could say anything. Still know they are full of shit. Harris county is bigger than Rhode Island and has 4 times the population. There are counties in Texas about the size of Vermont. Making people cross areas the size of small states with some of the worst traffic in America to vote because less voters makes you more likely to win is flatly scumbag activity and im sure the people behind it laugh about it in private just like all the other crooks on both sides using power to crush democracy while lying about a love of American values.

[starface]

Both could say anything. Still know they are full of shit. Harris county is bigger than Rhode Island and has 4 times the population. There are counties in Texas about the size of Vermont. Making people cross areas the size of small states with some of the worst traffic in America to vote because less voters makes you more likely to win is flatly scumbag activity and im sure the people behind it laugh about it in private just like all the other crooks on both sides using power to crush democracy while lying about a love of American values.

:coleman:


To vote early, by mail you mean.

[~primetime~]

I'll just say this...the lack of drop boxes is absolutely NOT suppressing votes in Texas...this state is voting it's ass off.

I actually think there is an off chance it turns blue...many are saying that if Texas has 12 million voters that means it will go blue...we are already at 7.5 million votes, this early.

and this:
https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/10/27/the-youth-vote-in-texas-is-up-by-more-than-600-from-last-presidential-election/


young voters in Texas are up 600% compared to 2016...that's voters under age 30. YOUNG people are voting this time.

[KennyPowers]

Republicans know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - it hurts the voting in urban cities, which is where a bulk of the Democrat voters tend to be. They like to inconvenient people and make it as hard as they can for people to vote. On election day, they will also limit the number of voting booths & number of people working them to make the lines as long as possible to the point that people leave rather than wait 6 hrs to vote.

It's the Republican way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.


That would be you and the rest of the fascist progressives.

Sham impeachments and filibusters. Saying they are going to pack the courts. Private bathroom servers. Clinton's, Biden, Pelosi etc. Ukraine, bathroom servers, Haiti gold theft and Haiti child sex trafficking.

Its all good though.... You want more government by voting left, and that's who you vote to lead you. Says everything about your character and the type of person you are. Pretty sure you jerk it to fan nudes of anime cartoons like Misty from Pokemon.

[KennyPowers]

I'll just say this...the lack of drop boxes is absolutely NOT suppressing votes in Texas...this state is voting it's ass off.

I actually think there is an off chance it turns blue...many are saying that if Texas has 12 million voters that means it will go blue...we are already at 7.5 million votes, this early.

and this:
https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/10/27/the-youth-vote-in-texas-is-up-by-more-than-600-from-last-presidential-election/


young voters in Texas are up 600% compared to 2016...that's voters under age 30. YOUNG people are voting this time.

Plenty of young people hate insane progressive culture.

Just because young low iq progressives are the loudest doesn't mean they are the majority. They are just noticed because they are in your face and don't shut up.

[Mr. Woke]

Republicans know they must do all they can for voter suppression. It's obvious what the goal is - it hurts the voting in urban cities, which is where a bulk of the Democrat voters tend to be. They like to inconvenient people and make it as hard as they can for people to vote. On election day, they will also limit the number of voting booths & number of people working them to make the lines as long as possible to the point that people leave rather than wait 6 hrs to vote.

It's the Republican way of doing things going back decades. They have no shame.

Spot on.

They are unhinged snowflakes.

[Nanners]

Plenty of young people hate insane progressive culture.

Just because young low iq progressives are the loudest doesn't mean they are the majority. They are just noticed because they are in your face and don't shut up.

Its not just that young people hate progressive culture, but they are also inherently attracted by counter-cultural movements... and Trump is counter-culture thanks to the actions of never-trump republicans (if you need an example try looking virtually anywhere in this thread)

[~primetime~]

Its not just that young people hate progressive culture, but they are also inherently attracted by counter-cultural movements... and Trump is counter-culture thanks to the actions of never-trump republicans (if you need an example try looking virtually anywhere in this thread)

all polling data is showing that the young vote is leaning Biden, even moreso than in 2016 with Hillary

[Nanners]

all polling data is showing that the young vote is leaning Biden, even moreso than in 2016 with Hillary

Except the young black vote, which supported Hillary ~90% vs ~10%, and for some reason is breaking toward biden more and more with each passing day

[~primetime~]

I'm sure most of the current young vote is the college student type, which is and always will lean toward a progressive mindset.

will it be enough to turn Texas blue? probably not...but I am really interested to see the outcome here regardless...because I know it will be closer for sure.

Kamala has now made plans to visit 3 different Texas cities on Friday...because they actually think it's winnable

*if* Texas actually did flip blue...that would change the landscape of politics a great deal.

[Nanners]

Young folks do indeed lean "progressive", but the idea of what progressive means seems to have dramatically changed between now and 2016.

[Luka Doncic]

The young are progressive but you they will be more conservative as they mature and grow. I was progressive in my 20's but started to grow conservative because I saw how policies affected me. It's been happening for decades now.

When I was younger I would probably say defund the police as I liked to party and fight. I'm older now and I don't want to have to shoot anyone so police better be here.

[Cleverness]

I'll just say this...the lack of drop boxes is absolutely NOT suppressing votes in Texas...this state is voting it's ass off.

I actually think there is an off chance it turns blue...many are saying that if Texas has 12 million voters that means it will go blue...we are already at 7.5 million votes, this early.

and this:
https://www.ksat.com/vote-2020/2020/10/27/the-youth-vote-in-texas-is-up-by-more-than-600-from-last-presidential-election/


young voters in Texas are up 600% compared to 2016...that's voters under age 30. YOUNG people are voting this time.

yup

voting is already very easy to do

75 million have already voted as of today

let's not pretend adding another drop box in Houston is anything more than a miniature molehill

Some may say that those who compare this to 1902 Jim Crow is reason enough to not talk to them again about anything, but I disagree; I think it's important to keep dialogue going. :cheers:

[SATAN]

Some may say that those who compare this to 1902 Jim Crow is reason enough to not talk to them again about anything, but I disagree; I think it's important to keep dialogue going. :cheers:

This guy :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Young folks do indeed lean "progressive", but the idea of what progressive means seems to have dramatically changed between now and 2016.
It sure has, look at you. A legit progressive shouldn't shill for someone like Trump, almost everything Trump does should be nauseating to a legit progressive (notice I said "does" and not "says" because Trump ran as a populist but hasn't done anything remotely populist)...but here we are.

[CelticBaller]

It sure has, look at you. A legit progressive shouldn't shill for someone like Trump, almost everything Trump does should be nauseating to a legit progressive (notice I said "does" and not "says" because Trump ran as a populist but hasn't done anything remotely populist)...but here we are.

Nanners is a weird dude, he sometimes says populist shit but then he goes on to say he's a trump fan, who is as corporatist as the rest of the republican party gets lol

[TheMan]

Nanners is a weird dude, he sometimes says populist shit but then he goes on to say he's a trump fan, who is as corporatist as the rest of the republican party gets lol

Doesn't make sense.

[Cleverness]

Nanners is a weird dude, he sometimes says populist shit but then he goes on to say he's a trump fan, who is as corporatist as the rest of the republican party gets lol

Maybe he believes a vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment

and a vote for Biden is a vote for the establishment?

[bladefd]

Maybe he believes a vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment

and a vote for Biden is a vote for the establishment?

Trump is the very swamp he said he would go against. I don't think Trump is anti-establishment if you are part of it and so is your cabinet..

[bladefd]

Republicans getting pretty desperate..


Videos and photos posted on social media show a long line of vehicles flying Trump flags trailing the Biden-Harris bus as it traveled north from San Antonio on I-35. In some images, the bus appears to be boxed in by the vehicles, KTLA’s sister station in Central Texas, KXAN, reported.

Some people involved with the Democratic campaign effort posted on social media that a Biden-Harris staffer’s car was hit during the incident.

As a result of the incident, a Democratic campaign event in Pflugerville, Texas was canceled.https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/democrats-cancel-texas-event-after-trump-supporters-surround-follow-biden-harris-bus-during-campaign-stops/


Trumpeters waiting for the Biden tour bus: https://twitter.com/ericcervini/status/1322336226792321025 , be sure to read the thread of 6-7 posts

Ambush: https://twitter.com/mcbyrne/status/1322566702048153600

Fools have no shame with their suppression tactics. It ended in the tour being canceled.

[CelticBaller]

Maybe he believes a vote for Trump is a vote against the establishment

and a vote for Biden is a vote for the establishment?
Trump pretty much is the establishment for the republicans and he’s an “oligarch”

[SATAN]

Republicans getting pretty desperate..

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/democrats-cancel-texas-event-after-trump-supporters-surround-follow-biden-harris-bus-during-campaign-stops/


Trumpeters waiting for the Biden tour bus: https://twitter.com/ericcervini/status/1322336226792321025 , be sure to read the thread of 6-7 posts

Ambush: https://twitter.com/mcbyrne/status/1322566702048153600

Fools have no shame with their suppression tactics. It ended in the tour being canceled.

Disgusting behavior.

[Kblaze8855]

Apparently they are trying to throw out 127 thousand votes by tomorrow as well.

[~primetime~]

Apparently they are trying to throw out 127 thousand votes by tomorrow as well.

if Biden loses Texas by ~100k votes there is going to be some controversy

[999Guy]

Harris county should probably have more than 1 dropbox... but apparently in this nation you have to live with the shitty decisions your state governor makes, regardless of how authoritarian that decision may be.

In my state the governor has forced enormous numbers of small businesses into permanent closure with her absurd covid rules, and she refuses to do anything to discourage our endless "mostly peaceful protests" (aka riots), or do anything to attempt to punish the dozens of anarchists arrested for breaking all sorts of laws at these protests on a nightly basis... so I dont really think my governor is "reasonable" either but thats just the way the cookie crumbles I suppose
Ugh. Poor you. Little ***** can you just have a ****ing opinion.

Stop the ****ing passive aggressive deflections ******.

[999Guy]

There a reason the Democratic political machine, backed by wealthy bankers, corrupt unions, etc, target young people and minorities as their base. Their lack of life experience and traditional lack of education makes them the easiest to propagandize with a message that counter balances conservative principles. And the goal is always to maintain that division. If the country was all conservatives, government and banks and union leaders would have waaaaay less power.


I want to acknowledge this by saying something really fundamental and probably undeniable.

Young people are better than old, as creatures. Flat out. On literally every level. Mentally, physically, personality wise, everything.

People don’t “grow up” mentally nearly as much, of at all compared to what is claimed and generally believed. By 17, you are fundamentally gonna be the same person. Studies have gone over this.

But the point is more, your brain starts shrinking at 20, your empathy levels, cognitive ability, neuroplasticity, meaning genuine openness to new ideas of a neurological level is all much better when younger.

Considering the depths of propaganda and genuine misery old people tend to have gone through “mid-life crisis”, I don’t get this idea of them being better judges of who should lead a government.

And the thing about education is just false.

Even conceptually a lot of young voters makes sense. They are the ones who will have to live through the future.

Humans are as creatures would typically die around 38 if not for medical advancements. If we lived without any medicine like 99.9% of all the creatures that exist and ever existed. We’d die right at what we think is middle age. Which begins to make a mid life crisis make sense.

You become some artificially alive thing past a certain point. And on a physiological level you can feel it.

All this is to say, your conservative brainwashing is making you believe way less and elsss realistic things.

A 18-20 year old is literally the peak of the human experience on every level, and you are so in your bubble you think it’s realistic to think they shouldn’t vote?

Btw, if actually say children ages 2-10 are pretty much perfect mentally. The ability to be happy, genuinely happy about just about anything is a super power. You pretty much get everything right early in life. Everything. You genuinely learn how to be miserable with time.

If not for predators and scarcity there’s no reason for humans to develop this whole “maturity” thing. Which is really just misery tied in a nice arrogant bow.

Look at bonobo apes vs chimps and the origins. Bonobo apes lived in an easier area to eat and live, so they evolved to be hippies. Scarcity made chimps grow to want to eat faces off.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A 18-20 year old is literally the peak of the human experience on every level
While it's true that younger people can learn new things more easily this statement regarding experience is kind of insane.

[Kblaze8855]

if Biden loses Texas by ~100k votes there is going to be some controversy

Texas Supreme Court denied them but they are hoping a really conservative federal judge says they can throw them out. Hearing is set for Monday morning.

[Lakers Legend#32]

What a Trump brained idea.

[Trollsmasher]

It shouldn't have any

The fewer the votes the better because it's mostly idiots who get disfranchised and you don't want retards to have any say over your lives

[fsvr54]

I want to acknowledge this by saying something really fundamental and probably undeniable.

Young people are better than old, as creatures. Flat out. On literally every level. Mentally, physically, personality wise, everything.

People don’t “grow up” mentally nearly as much, of at all compared to what is claimed and generally believed. By 17, you are fundamentally gonna be the same person. Studies have gone over this.

But the point is more, your brain starts shrinking at 20, your empathy levels, cognitive ability, neuroplasticity, meaning genuine openness to new ideas of a neurological level is all much better when younger.

Considering the depths of propaganda and genuine misery old people tend to have gone through “mid-life crisis”, I don’t get this idea of them being better judges of who should lead a government.

And the thing about education is just false.

Even conceptually a lot of young voters makes sense. They are the ones who will have to live through the future.

Humans are as creatures would typically die around 38 if not for medical advancements. If we lived without any medicine like 99.9% of all the creatures that exist and ever existed. We’d die right at what we think is middle age. Which begins to make a mid life crisis make sense.

You become some artificially alive thing past a certain point. And on a physiological level you can feel it.

All this is to say, your conservative brainwashing is making you believe way less and elsss realistic things.

A 18-20 year old is literally the peak of the human experience on every level, and you are so in your bubble you think it’s realistic to think they shouldn’t vote?

Btw, if actually say children ages 2-10 are pretty much perfect mentally. The ability to be happy, genuinely happy about just about anything is a super power. You pretty much get everything right early in life. Everything. You genuinely learn how to be miserable with time.

If not for predators and scarcity there’s no reason for humans to develop this whole “maturity” thing. Which is really just misery tied in a nice arrogant bow.

Look at bonobo apes vs chimps and the origins. Bonobo apes lived in an easier area to eat and live, so they evolved to be hippies. Scarcity made chimps grow to want to eat faces off.

Dumbest shit i've ever read. If you don't mentally grow as you get older, you're living wrong. I'm a thousand times better person at 29 than at 20.

[~primetime~]

https://twitter.com/JeremySWallace/status/1323030937677037570?s=19

[~primetime~]

In 2016 Texas was ranked 49 out of 50 in voter turnout...this election Texas is ranked #1...highest turnout in the country, we've already eclipsed the entire voter turnout of 2016...almost 10 million votes already...all of 2016 only 8.5 million votes in Texas

:eek:

[starface]

In 2016 Texas was ranked 49 out of 50 in voter turnout...this election Texas is ranked #1...highest turnout in the country, we've already eclipsed the entire voter turnout of 2016...almost 10 million votes already...all of 2016 only 8.5 million votes in Texas

:eek:


Can't help but think of this old video when I see that :lol

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbgyb5


The prediction at 2:47 is especially relevant :lebronamazed:

[CelticBaller]

Texas Supreme Court denied them but they are hoping a really conservative federal judge says they can throw them out. Hearing is set for Monday morning.

He denied it too, even asked them why are they having him do it lol

[~primetime~]

Can't help but think of this old video when I see that :lol

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbgyb5


The prediction at 2:47 is especially relevant :lebronamazed:

web voting would be awful, I'm with you on that.

in Texas so far all most all of the voting has been in person...IIRC over 90% in person

we don't have a lot of mail-in voters here...so at least the voters here care enough to have gotten up off their asses

[starface]

web voting would be awful, I'm with you on that.

in Texas so far all most all of the voting has been in person...IIRC over 90% in person

we don't have a lot of mail-in voters here...so at least the voters here care enough to have gotten up off their asses


I actually dont mind the idea of having the vote spread out over a few weeks in and of itself, and obviously the availability of mail-in voting for people who have legitimate mobility issues etc. Obviously I do think the response to Covid is a calculated attempt to usher in a new normal.

But the bigger point is who are all these new voters?

We know old people voted in 2016. We know people with families and responsibilities voted in 2016.

Trump’s four years as president has produced a completely unprecedented assault of media propaganda, partisanship, distortions, smears etc. All the corporate media and wealthy and/or Washington insiders are all pulling together to get the outsider out.

The fact that it appears to be working on so many of the low-grade animals running around out there who usually arent voting...

Personally I find scary.

[~primetime~]

I actually dont mind the idea of having the vote spread out over a few weeks in and of itself, and obviously the availability of mail-in voting for people who have legitimate mobility issues etc. Obviously I do think the response to Covid is a calculated attempt to usher in a new normal.

But the bigger point is who are all these new voters?

We know old people voted in 2016. We know people with families and responsibilities voted in 2016.

Trump’s four years as president has produced a completely unprecedented assault of media propaganda, partisanship, distortions, smears etc. All the corporate media and wealthy and/or Washington insiders are all pulling together to get the outsider out.

The fact that it appears to be working on so many of the low-grade animals running around out there who usually arent voting...

Personally I find scary.
I think in Texas it is mostly young people...they are showing a 600+% increase in voters age 18-29....750,000+ "young votes"

and I think it is mostly college kids...there are lots of colleges in Texas...they didn't care to vote in 2016 but they do now.

I personally am not expecting Texas to turn blue, polls still show it leaning slightly red...but I am expecting it to be a lot closer than 2016

[starface]

I think in Texas it is mostly young people...they are showing a 600+% increase in voters age 18-29....750,000+ "young votes"

and I think it is mostly college kids...there are lots of colleges in Texas...they didn't care to vote in 2016 but they do now.

I personally am not expecting Texas to turn blue, polls still show it leaning slightly red...but I am expecting it to be a lot closer than 2016


Exactly.

It's a bunch of kids with no life experience and no responsibilities who are more concerned with fitting in with the crowd than with protecting the integrity of their homes and communities and country etc. They know absolutely nothing about politics or the world except what the MSNBC snapchat account has told them through a 10 second video blurb, which is usually frivolous nonsense about how beliving in two genders is evil or how the climate has warmed 15 degrees since Trump took office.

The media has done WORK the last four years making a bunch of young idiots believe Trump is the root of all society's problems :lol

Simply because Trump is a rival for power to the corporate media, who normally control Presidential candidates with ease.

The corporate media has no more concern for you or anyone else than Trump does. But they have an enormous ability to control your perception. And thus countless hiveminded shlubs march around in a frenzied rage shrieking Orange Man Bad, Blue Man Good.

Trump has exposed how many true NPCs this country really has. Most people walking around are wind-up zombies who can be easily programmed to say whatever the group says.

[Luka Doncic]

This election was never about Trump versus Biden but more so Trump vs. Mainstream Media. The Dems throw a shit candidate out there and let the media shape his image and policy while trashing Trump. If the media has that much power then we should be all scared no matter the political affiliation. I don't care where you lean but the media is our biggest enemy. Biden can barely walk and talk and he is being propped up like he's some legitimate candidate.

It's really quite simple but people are so consumed with Biden when the election is Trump vs Mainstream Media. He's been calling them out for decades and now he's an actual threat as President. They don't even report the good stuff Trump has accomplished. Every major media search engine post nothing but fake news. Mainstream media trash him all day long.

The silent majority is actually what you see in the comments section. So many people downvoting these news headlines to the point Yahoo had to close their comments section because they were getting called out for it.

[~primetime~]

I personally don't think blaming the 'media' works with young people...they don't come home and flip on CNN...they're on social media...and it's the 'right vs left' war (as seen here on ISH) that has riled them up.

As time goes..."MSM" is starting to become phased out...DEFUNDED...people aren't watching TV as much...we are addicted to the internet, and we are brainwashing each other. For us, I bet what people post in here has more sway on us than what CNN or FOX News is throwing out.

[starface]

I personally don't think blaming the 'media' works with young people...they don't come home and flip on CNN...they're on social media...and it's the 'right vs left' war (as seen here on ISH) that has riled them up.

As time goes..."MSM" is starting to become phased out...DEFUNDED...people aren't watching TV as much...we are addicted to the internet, and we are brainwashing each other. For us, I bet what people post in here has more sway on us than what CNN or FOX News is throwing out.


The mainstream media still has a ton of influence just thru article headlines people see posted on facebook and twitter.

If a white man kills a black man, regardless of context it is deemed rscist and the article is spammed everywhere. If a black man kills a white man, it generally doesnt make headlines at all. This skews the perception of race relations.

When you log into social media and “Russian collusion” is spammed everywhere, you assume thats a thing. When articles about Biden’s corruption are CENSORED, it’s clear which way the media winds blow.

Controlling the communication is key, whether it’s tv, print, web, or even who speaks on a campus. These things dictate what views the herd will cling to for their understanding of the world. God knows they arent picking up any history books.

[~primetime~]

MSM does still have sway, but my gut feeling is that the younger you get, the less sway it has. These kids care about Instagram first and foremost.

Memes and shit like that are moving them.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

MSM does still have sway, but my gut feeling is that the younger you get, the less sway it has. These kids care about Instagram first and foremost.

Memes and shit like that are moving them.

It’s about context.

MSM are the creators and masters of context.

Those instagram memes get built off the context that MSM constructs. Children do not come up with very original stuff. Their opinions are formed from the context around them which is constructed by adults which gets heavily constructed by MSM.

Children operate out of the mold that’s made for them, by MSM.

[bladefd]

I think in Texas it is mostly young people...they are showing a 600+% increase in voters age 18-29....750,000+ "young votes"

and I think it is mostly college kids...there are lots of colleges in Texas...they didn't care to vote in 2016 but they do now.

I personally am not expecting Texas to turn blue, polls still show it leaning slightly red...but I am expecting it to be a lot closer than 2016

Young people turnout was kind of low in 2016. They thought Hillary was going to win so they didn't show up. This time, they are coming out in droves.

[Kblaze8855]

I think in Texas it is mostly young people...they are showing a 600+% increase in voters age 18-29....750,000+ "young votes"

and I think it is mostly college kids...there are lots of colleges in Texas...they didn't care to vote in 2016 but they do now.

I personally am not expecting Texas to turn blue, polls still show it leaning slightly red...but I am expecting it to be a lot closer than 2016


Im thinking Trump wins it by like 4 points down from the 10 last time. It’s gonna flip one day. That isn’t even a question. You can only hold a state for so long without its population centers. Granted....Texas has more room for suburban areas than most states....but if democrats keep winning Houston, Dallas, Austin, and San Antonio as they did for the first time in 2016....and the gap just narrows elsewhere?

I give it 2028 max before it flips. I think we have another serious swing state run before it happens.

Demographically how long can a party depending on white males hold it when like 5-6 times the new people aren’t white? They won’t all vote blue obviously but it’s almost a lost cause long term.

Some democrat runs with a Hispanic Texas VP it’s over. Harris up top might hurt though.

Trump has it this time I think though. I think knowing it’s even close will get those random background extras you see in the dusty western town movies out to vote. The new voters won’t be all college kids.

Some of those red neck hunters who don’t normally care will be coming out too.

There are plenty of people who normally don’t vote who will come out if faced with the kinda change tv and radio can suggest would happen if they lose the state.

There are absolutely people being told “You will vote for Trump or get out of my house” too. Biden as well no doubt but in Texas I’d imagine more of the angry parents with non voting 18-20 year olds would be trump supporters.

I think both sides are getting out the vote and it offsets the usual democratic advantage in having higher participation.

[~primetime~]

Even if Trump wins, Texas just being 'close' is a big deal...so many here don't vote because "Texas is red, what's the point?"

It's like does a Trumper in California even bother to vote?...I bet there are a good amount of rural Trumpers in Cali who just won't bother voting because it's Cali.

So if Texas can just show that it's 'close' it will cause more people to vote from here out...