AD scored on 50+% higher volume than prime Pau

[tpols]

on better efficiency, and with much better defense.

Yet we constantly hear Kobe was "saved" or carried by his frontcourt.

Please discuss.

[KirbyPls]

No, I don't think I will.

[Ben Simmons]

Kobe should have got Pau in better scoring position

[MadDog]

on better efficiency, and with much better defense.

Yet we constantly hear Kobe was "saved" or carried by his frontcourt.

Please discuss.

AD is the man (literally, he outscores LeBron :oldlol:)

[tpols]

Kobe should have got Pau in better scoring position

AD averaged 31 PPG in the playoffs with the Pelicans.

Pau averaged 20 PPG in the playoffs with the Grizzlies and was 0-12.

We need some explanations fellas.

[ArbitraryWater]

Less touches playing Kobe ball

[ThatCoolKid]

AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Just as Lebron James is a better player than Kobe Bryant. If the 2010 Lakers played the 2020 Lakers they would get destroyed.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Thanks for proving Kobe held Gasol back

[Gus Hemmingway]

AD is the man (literally, he outscores LeBron :oldlol:)

Not in the Finals (you know, when championships are won)

[tpols]

AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Just as Lebron James is a better player than Kobe Bryant. If the 2010 Lakers played the 2020 Lakers they would get destroyed.

They would no doubt have a talent advantage, but the early Lakers played with greater teamwork. They also have a stylistic matchup advantage. Going to be pretty hard to play bully ball with Ron Artest. They would definitely have to put Odom on AD. But Kobe grew his squad organically and they had championship pedigree.

[LonelyOwl]

No one is saying that Gasol carried Kobe or that he's better than Anthony Davis

However he was arguably the best player in the 2010 finals

[Stanley Kobrick]

2020 Lakers #1 and #2 are significantly better than the 2010 Lakers #1 and#2. but Odom, Bynum, Ariza, Artest, Fisher >> anyone from #3-#11 on current Lakers. oh and phil jackson

[LAmbruh]

lebron elevating teammates, kobe deteriorating them


more news @ 11

[TheCorporation]

AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Just as Lebron James is a better player than Kobe Bryant. If the 2010 Lakers played the 2020 Lakers they would get destroyed.[

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron surpassed Kobe years ago bro

[LAmbruh]

AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Just as Lebron James is a better player than Kobe Bryant. If the 2010 Lakers played the 2020 Lakers they would get destroyed.[

Shit Bran and 35yo Ilgauskas had a field day with our 2005-2016 Lakers teams (16-6) :(


AD would just be overkill imho.


However, Odom's versatility would match up nicely vs Davis

[tpols]

AD is a way better player than Pau Gasol.

No shit. And I had to edit your post for you. Kobe had tougher roads and runs with peak Shaq than Anthony Davis.

Mostly because the twin tower Spurs, Kings, and Blazers were all way better teams than the Nuggets or Heat. Who are historical jokes.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I don't get your point. You were just in another thread claiming that 2020 Davis is better than prime Kobe, but now you seem to be suggesting that 2020 Davis is better sidekick than Pau Gasol therefore Kobe is close to LeBron or better? Or at least closer that it is ostensibly? How is that the case if LeBron's sidekick (who literally nobody thinks is better than LeBron) is better than prime Kobe? It makes no sense.

[scuzzy]

Pau comparisons?


Davis just had a better playoff run than Kobe's entire postseason catalog :applause:


2020 PO Davis - 28, 10, 4 on 57%/38%

Peak PO Bryant - 27, 4, 4 on 46%/35%


Shattering peak 12be in every advanced metric as well

[tpols]

but now you seem to be suggesting that 2020 Davis is better sidekick than Pau Gasol


I'm not suggesting it... I'm saying it full out.

AD went KAJ. KAJ is repped by many as better than Kobe. I don't agree, but that's the consensus. But KAJ got full credit for even his sidekick titles.

The fact of the matter is when the 2010 Lakers won there was a ton of Pau hype on this forum afterwards. After 2020 Lakers won? There's basically zero AD hype.

And I'm here to point out the hypocrisy.

[RRR3]

LeBron surpassed Kobe years ago bro
He still hasn’t gotten over it :oldlol:

[scuzzy]

2020 Lakers #1 and #2 are significantly better than the 2010 Lakers #1 and#2. but Odom, Bynum, Ariza, Artest, Fisher >> anyone from #3-#11 on current Lakers. oh and phil jackson
Yup, 2008-10 were deep Lakers team with years of Kobe getting curb stomped and begging to be traded

2020 was a 2 man show with FA garbage pickings, overhauled roster, new coach and new FO. Dominated the West in a rebuild year, easy work

[HoopsNY]

AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Just as Lebron James is a better player than Kobe Bryant. If the 2010 Lakers played the 2020 Lakers they would get destroyed.

Maybe, but don't underrate how good that 2009 Lakers team was. That 2008-09 team won 65 games and Kobe was one season removed from an MVP and still an elite defender.

In addition, you have to account for supporting casts outside of the big 2. Odom/Fisher/Bynum/Ariza are a better core than what the 2020 Lakers offer beyond LeBron/AD.

Oh, and then there is Phil Jackson.

[SATAN]

I'm not suggesting it... I'm saying it full out.

AD went KAJ. KAJ is repped by many as better than Kobe. I don't agree, but that's the consensus. But KAJ got full credit for even his sidekick titles.

The fact of the matter is when the 2010 Lakers won there was a ton of Pau hype on this forum afterwards. After 2020 Lakers won? There's basically zero AD hype.

And I'm here to point out the hypocrisy.

So...you're mad because the board hasn't been flooded with AD threads? He under performed in two finals games. I think people appreciate him as a player.

[HoopsNY]

So...you're mad because the board hasn't been flooded with AD threads? He under performed in two finals games. I think people appreciate him as a player.

More like 1 game, but even if we accept what you're saying, AD's contributions are 4/6 finals games, the entire playoffs, and the regular season as an MVP and DPOY candidate.

[StrongLurk]

OP we know AD is better than Pau.

Who was the better second option here: 2020 AD or 2000-2002 Kobe?

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not suggesting it... I'm saying it full out.

AD went KAJ. KAJ is repped by many as better than Kobe. I don't agree, but that's the consensus. But KAJ got full credit for even his sidekick titles.

The fact of the matter is when the 2010 Lakers won there was a ton of Pau hype on this forum afterwards. After 2020 Lakers won? There's basically zero AD hype.

And I'm here to point out the hypocrisy.
Yikes

[TheCorporation]

Pau comparisons?


Davis just had a better playoff run than Kobe's entire postseason catalog :applause:


2020 PO Davis - 28, 10, 4 on 57%/38%

Peak PO Bryant - 27, 4, 4 on 46%/35%


Shattering peak 12be in every advanced metric as well

AD13
14be

INCOMING

Shit, I heard some dudes saying AD was Kareem :roll::roll:

[Horatio33]

Gasol shot 59% in the 2009 finals and had on average 11 shots per game.

Kobe Bryant shot 43% in the 2009 finals on 20+ shots per game.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yikes

Lol

[tpols]

Gasol shot 59% in the 2009 finals and had on average 11 shots per game.

Kobe Bryant shot 43% in the 2009 finals on 20+ shots per game.

You're not comparing apples to apples. For that whole playoff run, of which Kobe was hurt in btw... Kobe averaged 29 ppg. Pau only averaged 19 ppg. Kobe also got the lion's share of the defensive attention and scored more of his points in crunchtime. This is a clear cut 1st/2nd option situation so you can't compare the efficiencies on an even plane.

Now, as that dynamic relates to AD and LeBron... defenses aren't paying Lebron any more attention than they are Davis. Perhaps even less since Davis outscored Lebron for the whole playoffs. Not 1 series. Whole playoffs. So it's actually even disingenuous for me to compare AD's numbers to Pau's because he's getting them in a first option role, but even with the added defensive pressure, he STILL outperforms Pau which means it's a rout of a comparison. AD is way better.

[ArbitraryWater]

You're not comparing apples to apples. For that whole playoff run, of which Kobe was hurt in btw... Kobe averaged 29 ppg. Pau only averaged 19 ppg. Kobe also got the lion's share of the defensive attention and scored more of his points in crunchtime. This is a clear cut 1st/2nd option situation so you can't compare the efficiencies on an even plane.

Now, as that dynamic relates to AD and LeBron... defenses aren't paying Lebron any more attention than they are Davis. Perhaps even less since Davis outscored Lebron for the whole playoffs. Not 1 series. Whole playoffs. So it's actually even disingenuous for me to compare AD's numbers to Pau's because he's getting them in a first option role, but even with the added defensive pressure, he STILL outperforms Pau which means it's a rout of a comparison. AD is way better.


Wrong.

Pau scored more of his points in crunch time.

https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg

[tpols]

Wrong.

Pau scored more of his points in crunch time.

https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg

Nope... whole playoff run. Kobe's numbers facing the suns or nuggets or spurs blew Pau's away.

You don't get to pick one series per year... gotta use them all.

[MadDog]

AD>Pau that is obvious. In the playoffs, AD was better than LeBron too :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Nope... whole playoff run. Kobe's numbers facing the suns or nuggets or spurs blew Pau's away.

You don't get to pick one series per year... gotta use them all.


wait finals dont matter now?

thought was all about dat finals record?

the post you responded to was finals, btw

[RRR3]

AD>Pau that is obvious. In the playoffs, AD was better than LeBron too :confusedshrug:
No he wasn’t coach. You wouldn’t be pooping your Jordan Jammies if that was the case.

[MadDog]

No he wasn’t coach.

This guy goes thread to thread calling me "coach". I'm not your friend dude :oldlol:

[Roundball_Rock]

Wrong.

Pau scored more of his points in crunch time.

https://pm1.narvii.com/6810/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2_hq.jpg

29% and 30%? Damn.

[ralph_i_el]

If Pau had played with LeBron, he would score more.

If AD played with Kobe, he would score less, and get more offensive rebounds.

[Roundball_Rock]

If Pau had played with LeBron, he would score more.

If AD played with Kobe, he would score less, and get more offensive rebounds.

Don't bring logic into this. These people think PPG numbers occur in vacuums. :lol

[Doranku]

If Pau had played with LeBron, he would score more.

If AD played with Kobe, he would score less, and get more offensive rebounds.

Gasol took the same shots in LA as he did as the #1 option in Memphis. You think Gasol is going to be taking a significantly more amount of shots under Bran ball? :oldlol: What a joke.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Gasol took the same shots in LA as he did as the #1 option in Memphis. You think Gasol is going to be taking a significantly more amount of shots under Bran ball? :oldlol: What a joke.


Kyrie’s ppg peaked under Bran Ball, why wouldn’t Gasols?

[tpols]

Gasol took the same shots in LA as he did as the #1 option in Memphis. You think Gasol is going to be taking a significantly more amount of shots under Bran ball? :oldlol: What a joke.

For real.

Pau averaged 18-20 ppg in Memphis but he'd be 30 ppg AD with bran... a low post non face up non floor stretching to the 3 pt line big. When Bynum took over the low post role in 2011 full time, and Pau had to play face up from long range, Pau SUCKED. :oldlol: He was getting his ass kicked by guys like Carl Landry in the first round and Dirk of course baptized him H2H in the 2nd. That face up style is EXACTLY how Bosh and Love used to play, and so it's totally reasonable to conclude that there would be a negative regression playing with Lebron instead of the positive one he had playing with Kobe. (in the post...)

Lebron has never played with a low post big man... all of the all stars he's recruited over the years were face up with good long range ie ~ Jamison, Love, Bosh, and AD. He's never played inside out with a dominant post player that would be clogging his driving lanes as well.

[red1]

AD is a full tier above gasol.



What's your point OP? Lebron this year was still better than any version of kobe.

[PP34Deuce]

Why is this thread so insecure. AD is a better player than Pau Gasol. Everyone knows that.

Individually, Lebron James is a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant. There's a valid argument but Lebron is a better player.

Continue...

[SouBeachTalents]

Do the people arguing AD led the team in scoring not realize that the difference was literally 2 points, you're literally using a one basket difference over a 20+ game sample size to try to argue AD was the clearly superior scorer :lol I just don't know what you get out of trying to be so disingenuous

[tpols]

Do the people arguing AD led the team in scoring not realize that the difference was literally 2 points, you're literally using a one basket difference over a 20+ game sample size to try to argue AD was the clearly superior scorer :lol I just don't know what you get out of trying to be so disingenuous

Nobody said AD was a way better scorer than Lebron this year. But *imagine* if Pau averaged 30 ppg to Kobe's 29 ppg. Imagine what a rout it would be. And how people would shit on Kobe for it. :oldlol: They already do when the difference was 29 to 19 ppg.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nobody said AD was a way better scorer than Lebron this year. But *imagine* if Pau averaged 30 ppg to Kobe's 29 ppg. Imagine what a rout it would be. And how people would shit on Kobe for it. :oldlol: They already do when the difference was 29 to 19 ppg.
Of course they would, but the fact remains they were essentially equals as scorers, while LeBron orchestrated the offense and AD anchored the defense. I know with LeBron rationality and objectivity gets thrown out the window, but I just don't see why it's so difficult to claim they were basically co-alphas of this team, even if you think one was slightly better it was so damn close throughout the playoffs

[Honor Boost]

Anthony Davis is better than Pau Gasol and he had a better playmaker than Gasol. This boils down to playmaker LeBron vs playmaker Kobe which isn't a contest.

[Honor Boost]

Don't bring logic into this. These people think PPG numbers occur in vacuums. :lol

I really hope not, there is much more to basketball analysis than just scoring the ball

[MadDog]

Do the people arguing AD led the team in scoring not realize that the difference was literally 2 points, you're literally using a one basket difference over a 20+ game sample size to try to argue AD was the clearly superior scorer :lol I just don't know what you get out of trying to be so disingenuous

AD only scored a "little more" yet you're acting like he shouldn't be credited. LeBron fans are ALL ABOUT STATS so why is pointing that fact out a problem? :confusedshrug: AD was a better scorer and defender in the playoffs. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Smoke117]

OP basically lives off of making stupid oft retard remarks. By all his moronic post I'd think he was taking the piss, but that probably isn't true. He actually believes is full retard nonsense.

[Roundball_Rock]

Do the people arguing AD led the team in scoring not realize that the difference was literally 2 points, you're literally using a one basket difference over a 20+ game sample size to try to argue AD was the clearly superior scorer :lol I just don't know what you get out of trying to be so disingenuous

Their arguments are always aimed at the dumbest, least informed posters. That is what they are going for hoping enough people don't know the difference is 582-580.

Some of it is they don't understand basketball. LeBron's job was to facilitate first, score second. There were baskets he "bird fed" AD that some other legends would have gunned a shot instead in the same situation. That would increase LeBron's PPG, decrease AD's--but hurt the team. LeBron was playing to win, not take 30 shots each game.