Remember when pip begged mj to come back and save their season?

[Bronbron23]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMru6IPSuD8 it was a classic moment forsure and some pretty good advertising for jordan brand. We hear alot about the 93-94 season where pip in the bulls played so well. We also heae about how mj neede pip. What happened in 94-95 though? Mj apparently needed pip but it was pip after only just 1 year without mj who begged him to return on national tv. At that moment when pip hinted at mj to return the bulls were struggling sitting at exactly .500. Once mj came back they went on a winning streak and went 13-4 with mj.

Pippen was obviously a great player but these mj needing pip narratives that these idiotic bron stans are putting out just aren't based in reality.

[MadDog]

Damn, OP with back to back bangers :applause: It is funny that 1-9 actually gets brought up. It was never a thing until LeBron fans began to cope with 2nd place. When Chicago got past the 1st round in 1988, Scottie Pippen averaged 10 a game compared to Jordan's 45. No, that isn't a typo. That was Polio Pippen "saving" Jordan :oldlol:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1988-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-cavaliers-vs-bulls.html

[Roundball_Rock]

:lol at the slew of fairy tales. Whatever makes you all feel better about LeBron.

[sdot_thadon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMru6IPSuD8 it was a classic moment forsure and some pretty good advertising for jordan brand. We hear alot about the 93-94 season where pip in the bulls played so well. We also heae about how mj neede pip. What happened in 94-95 though? Mj apparently needed pip but it was pip after only just 1 year without mj who begged him to return on national tv. At that moment when pip hinted at mj to return the bulls were struggling sitting at exactly .500. Once mj came back they went on a winning streak and went 13-4 with mj.

Pippen was obviously a great player but these mj needing pip narratives that these idiotic bron stans are putting out just aren't based in reality.

So....Op, in this fictional retelling of an actual historical event are we even basing it loosely on the source material? Or is this a non canon side story? Because if it was based on a true story you'd have to include the fact that Scottie lost his 2nd best player and an allstar that summer(Grant) to the the team that he would subsequently spank them(THEM = Scottie AND MJ) in the 2nd round with......and wasn't sitting at .500 pretty much what Mj did with out Scottie and that's being generous.

[Hey Yo]

Bulls would still have made the playoffs w/o Jordan in 1995.

[Roundball_Rock]

So....Op, in this fictional retelling of an actual historical event are we even basing it loosely on the source material? Or is this a non canon side story? Because if it was based on a true story you'd have to include the fact that Scottie lost his 2nd best player and an allstar that summer(Grant) to the the team that he would subsequently spank them(THEM = Scottie AND MJ) in the 2nd round with......and wasn't sitting at .500 pretty much what Mj did with out Scottie and that's being generous.

Yup. It is almost as if what they do is a self-help circle jerk. :oldlol: Nobody else falls for their BS.

Isn't it funny the Bulls did a lot worse after losing Grant than they did losing MJ? Maybe that is why they never mention the Grant part. :lol

What they also erase are the following:

*The Bulls were much better than their record. They had the second best SRS in the East (better than MJ stan darlings the Knicks, Pacers).
*Their record was catching up to their SRS. They were 8-2 before MJ came back and 11-6 post-ASB.
*They weren't that far behind the beloved Pacers. The Pacers had 39 wins, the Bulls 34 wins with the Bulls heading into a division showdown against Indiana in the next game.
*Cartwright also left. They were down 3 of 5 93' team starters.
Scott Williams, their 6th man on the 93' team also left. In other words, they lost basically all their best bigs. They were forced to start Will Perdue at C and they didn't even have a starting PF (they used Kukoc in that slot, a SF).

These very same people will tell us how "great" the Knicks and Pacers were then ignore how the Bulls compared to the same teams 1) down MJ 2) down MJ & Grant/Rodman. Logic would tell you the if Team A, Team B were "great" and a short-handed Team C was comparable to those teams--with the others at full strength--that Team C must have been loaded.

The Pacers couldn't handle losing Mark Jackson (they became a lottery team). Imagine them losing Miller and Jackson. Or the Knicks without Ewing and Oakley. Yet the Bulls were this good losing the supposed GOAT and Grant?

The post-script is the team welcomed MJ back but Pippen, Armstrong in particular chafed at MJ coming in and reducing their roles after they saw MJ taking 25 shots a game (a major reason they let BJ go in the expansion draft after the season). It was great on paper. Not so much to them on the court when he actually did come back. The promise was better results but they did worse in the playoffs than they did the year before with Grant there instead of MJ.

The funniest part re the OP is MJ literally quit when Pippen left. Talk about begging for a player.

[Smoke117]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IMru6IPSuD8 it was a classic moment forsure and some pretty good advertising for jordan brand. We hear alot about the 93-94 season where pip in the bulls played so well. We also heae about how mj neede pip. What happened in 94-95 though? Mj apparently needed pip but it was pip after only just 1 year without mj who begged him to return on national tv. At that moment when pip hinted at mj to return the bulls were struggling sitting at exactly .500. Once mj came back they went on a winning streak and went 13-4 with mj.

Pippen was obviously a great player but these mj needing pip narratives that these idiotic bron stans are putting out just aren't based in reality.

1. The team lost Horace Grant for nothing. He was the 2nd best player on the team in 94.

2. The Bulls had been dealing with injuries and players coming in and out of the line up in 95 pretty much all season long. Also, they were 8-2 in their last 10 before Jordan rejoined the team. People act like he came and they started winning, but they already were.

3. Frankly, that Pippen even had this team over .500 and the 2nd best defensive team in the league is impressive. He basically carried the entire defense. The one time a perimeter player actually deserved the DPOY and he didn't get it.

[Roundball_Rock]

1. The team lost Horace Grant for nothing. He was the 2nd best player on the team in 94.

2. The Bulls had been dealing with injuries and players coming in and out of the line up in 95 pretty much all season long. Also, they were 8-2 in their last 10 before Jordan rejoined the team. People act like he came and they started winning, but they already were.

3. Frankly, that Pippen even had this team over .500 and the 2nd best defensive team in the league is impressive. He basically carried the entire defense. The one time a perimeter player actually deserved the DPOY and he didn't get it.

Good points. Not only did they have the #2 defense, they had the #10 offense before MJ's return and with Grant gone and no Rodman (i.e., with weak rebounding limiting their possessions). For all the bitching about MJ's teammates and scoring, they had top 10 offenses in two of the three seasons he missed and in the third they were right at league average.

[RRR3]

OP named himself BronBron23 and yet I don’t think there’s one poster here who thinks he likes LeBron. Odd.

[Bankaii]

If MJ didn’t need Pippen then surely his playoff record without Pip is great right?? At least a winning record right???

[Manny98]

OP named himself BronBron23 and yet I don’t think there’s one poster here who thinks he likes LeBron. Odd.

All of his posts reek of an insecure Jordan Stan

[MadDog]

and wasn't sitting at .500 pretty much what Mj did with out Scottie and that's being generous.

Another clown equating Pippen's impact with Jordan's. :oldlol: You know they're desperate clutching onto a narrative like this one. No different than the party "1-9" line (Jordan outscored Pippen by 35 points just to advance into the second round, 45 vs 10 to be exact, but 1-9!!! :oldlol:) Injuries aren’t an excuse unless you are willing to admit the 93' team also played through them, and were deadass tired from 3-peating/Olympic play. Injuries are simply part of the game.

Chicago also acquired Kukoc/Kerr post Jordan. So hovering around .500 isn’t something that should’ve happened, period.

Jordan = 31-12 (72 win%) without Pippen in the last 3peat
Jordan = 36-9 (80 win%) without Rodman in the 95/96 and 96/97 seasons

In the 1997/98 season, Chicago started off 9-7 without Pippen and then went 15-4 (79%) in their next 19 games before Pippen came back. Once they got a rhythm going, the Bulls played great without Pippen. He mised, what, half the season in ‘98? Chicago still won 62 games and clinched the #1 seed. All about the regular-season though, am I right? :confusedshrug: Pretending that Pippen was Dwyane Wade or even LeBron is a joke.

[Roundball_Rock]

All of his posts reek of an insecure Jordan Stan

He is. He has admitted to being one. He was one of the more reasonable ones but #4 has caused him to go mad.

The OP is hilarious. MJ literally quit because he couldn't play with Pippen anymore. :lol

[bullettooth]

Remember when LeBron begged Anthony Davis to win him a championship?

[MadDog]

Remember when LeBron begged Anthony Davis to win him a championship?

LeBron fans get selective "amnesia" when it comes to reality. :oldlol: Kinda like Pippen's scoring in the second 3-peat.

[Bronbron23]

So....Op, in this fictional retelling of an actual historical event are we even basing it loosely on the source material? Or is this a non canon side story? Because if it was based on a true story you'd have to include the fact that Scottie lost his 2nd best player and an allstar that summer(Grant) to the the team that he would subsequently spank them(THEM = Scottie AND MJ) in the 2nd round with......and wasn't sitting at .500 pretty much what Mj did with out Scottie and that's being generous.

Nope just another idiotic post to show yall bron stans how dumb you sound. Yall do this shit all the time. "1-9" " mj missed the playoffs in his 17th season when bron didn't ". Its just dumbass troll shit.

Kind of funny yall fell for it twice in a row :facepalm

[sdot_thadon]

Nope just another idiotic post to show yall bron stans how dumb you sound. Yall do this shit all the time. "1-9" " mj missed the playoffs in his 17th season when bron didn't ". Its just dumbass troll shit.

Kind of funny yall fell for it twice in a row :facepalm
Not me. Not sure who you think I may be....but nah. Dumb post is dumb post.

[sdot_thadon]

Another clown equating Pippen's impact with Jordan's. :oldlol: You know they're desperate clutching onto a narrative like this one. No different than the party "1-9" line (Jordan outscored Pippen by 35 points just to advance into the second round, 45 vs 10 to be exact, but 1-9!!! :oldlol:) Injuries aren’t an excuse unless you are willing to admit the 93' team also played through them, and were deadass tired from 3-peating/Olympic play. Injuries are simply part of the game.

Chicago also acquired Kukoc/Kerr post Jordan. So hovering around .500 isn’t something that should’ve happened, period.

Jordan = 31-12 (72 win%) without Pippen in the last 3peat
Jordan = 36-9 (80 win%) without Rodman in the 95/96 and 96/97 seasons

In the 1997/98 season, Chicago started off 9-7 without Pippen and then went 15-4 (79%) in their next 19 games before Pippen came back. Once they got a rhythm going, the Bulls played great without Pippen. He mised, what, half the season in ‘98? Chicago still won 62 games and clinched the #1 seed. All about the regular-season though, am I right? :confusedshrug: Pretending that Pippen was Dwyane Wade or even LeBron is a joke.

Go ahead and do yourself a favor and check what Mjs team records were the years preceding Pippen. Trust me I'm not equating their impact. Mike was that dude. At the same time tho, we're not going to sit here and champion a bullshit post about the 95 team when anyone who actually was not sucking a bottle or their thumb in 95 knows the details. The Bulls lost their 2nd best player from the 94 squad. End of story

[SATAN]

Is this the footage where Pippen sends a subliminal to Jordan about his shoe size while they were beefing over Madonna?

[sdot_thadon]

Is this the footage where Pippen sends a subliminal to Jordan about his shoe size while they were beefing over Madonna?

Don't you bring Madonna into this....not today SATAN...:oldlol:

[Axe]

Remember when LeBron begged Anthony Davis to win him a championship?
They weren't the favorites tho when he came to hollywood.

[kawhileonard2]

He just wanted MJ back. Wouldn’t say he begged him.