View Full Version : was brans 2020 offensive finals better then any mike finals? 131 ortg GOAT
And1AllDay
10-30-2020, 09:58 PM
just looking to 2020 did mike every play that good on offense which is supposed to be his bread n buttter??
2020 bran = 131 ORtg
Mike never came close :(
3ball
10-30-2020, 10:04 PM
What was his possession usage (burden), and opponent dtrg
And how many teammate three-point attempts to space floor
And1AllDay
10-30-2020, 10:07 PM
What was his possession usage (burden), and opponent dtrg
And how many teammate three-point attempts to space floor
i dont think you answered the question
why didnt mike ever get to 131 ortg like legoat?
bran > mike on offense
8Ball
10-30-2020, 10:08 PM
30/12/9 on 59% fg :applause:
LeBron Ball greatest system ever.
3ball
10-30-2020, 10:17 PM
i dont think you answered the question
why didnt mike ever get to 131 ortg like legoat?
bran > mike on offense
* Lebron never had Jordan's burden (usage) - he never had to score 10-20 more than his sidekick to win a Finals (carry-job), so he could pick easy spots to score.. the stats support this because lebron avoids contested jumpshots (only takes open jumpers) and defers these tougher possessions to teammates
* Jordan never faced a 118 drtg in the Finals or teammates attempt 40 threes a game
* Jordan led four #1 offenses versus zero for lebron despite lebron having FAR more offensive help
* peak Jordan averaged more assists and 7 more points
* Jordan's standard was #1 scorer and 1st team defender, while lebron's standard is top 10-15 scorer and no all-defense in 7 years.. so Jordan's standard was higher
* Jordan had higher OBPM, BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons, ortg and burden (usage)
And1AllDay
10-30-2020, 10:22 PM
30/12/9 on 59% fg :applause:
LeBron Ball greatest system ever.
ortg 131 for fmvp
higher then any mike fmvp
:hammertime:
we win again :cheers:
And1AllDay
10-30-2020, 10:23 PM
* Lebron never had Jordan's burden (usage) - he never had to score 10-20 more than his sidekick to win a Finals (carry-job), so he can pick easy spots to score
* Jordan never faced a 118 drtg in the Finals or teammates attempt 40 threes a game
* Jordan led four #1 offenses versus zero for lebron despite lebron having FAR more offensive help
* peak Jordan averaged more assists and 7 more points
* Jordan's standard was #1 scorer and 1st team defender, while lebron's standard is top 10-15 scorer and no all-defense in 7 years.. so Jordan's standard was higher
* Jordan had higher OBPM, BPM, PER, WS/48, VORP seasons, ortg and burden (usage)
imagine calling mike shooting 30 times a night 'his burden' when he chose it every night
mike was a discount iverson before and after pippen. let it go he needed pippen
3ball
10-30-2020, 10:27 PM
imagine calling mike shooting 30 times a night 'his burden' when he chose it every night
mike was a discount iverson before and after pippen. let it go he needed pippen
^^^ your theory is proven wrong because pippen, grant, and bj played near capacity alongside Jordan - their numbers without jordan were basically the same as their highs with him
So teammates played to capacity alongside jordan, and therefore jordan had to take those shots and wasn't taking them unnecessarily..
now if teammates were averaging far more without him like Love, Bosh, Hughes, Ingram, etc, then you could say MJ was ball-dominating/hogging, etc
And1AllDay
10-30-2020, 10:29 PM
^^^ your theory is proven wrong because pippen, grant, and bj played near capacity alongside Jordan - their numbers without jordan were basically the same as their highs with him
So teammates played to capacity alongside MJ, and therefore jordan had to take those shots, not him choosing to unnecessarily..
now if teammates were averaging far more without him like Love, Bosh, Hughes, Ingram, etc, then you could say MJ was ball-dominating/hogging, etc
30/12/9 on 59% with 131 ortg
mike could never
3ball
10-30-2020, 10:38 PM
30/12/9 on 59% with 131 ortg
mike could never
Lebron can never get 5 MVP's or two 3-peats
Lebron's standard is a top 10-15 scorer and no all-defense, while Jordan's standard was #1 scorer and 1st team defense
So MJ was better.. a lot better
And1AllDay
10-31-2020, 12:03 AM
Lebron can never get 5 MVP's or two 3-peats
Lebron's standard is a top 10-15 scorer and no all-defense, while Jordan's standard was #1 scorer and 1st team defense
So MJ was better.. a lot better
mikes in the 5900 club *only 6 finals :(
brans in the 7500 club
HBK_Kliq_2
10-31-2020, 12:14 AM
You got it all wrong my friend. Kawhi had a 122 offensive rating vs Draymond Green the GOAT defender. It also wasn't on those cheesy ass mickey mouse hoops. Everybody had enhanced offense and no defense in the bubble, it was like scoring in the 1950s era hahaha
I would say Kawhi's 2019 finals was better then any of Lebron's 4 finals wins.
And1AllDay
10-31-2020, 12:53 AM
You got it all wrong my friend. Kawhi had a 122 offensive rating vs Draymond Green the GOAT defender. It also wasn't on those cheesy ass mickey mouse hoops. Everybody had enhanced offense and no defense in the bubble, it was like scoring in the 1950s era hahaha
I would say Kawhi's 2019 finals was better then any of Lebron's 4 finals wins.
offensively? no chance but thanks for playing :oldlol'
20 bran, 30/12/9 on 59%, 131 ORTG
19 kiwi, 29/10/4 on 43%:roll: , 122 ORTG :roll:
im also positive your a bran fan in real life and trolling kiwi so people pile up on him :oldlol: theres a saying for that
HBK_Kliq_2
10-31-2020, 01:02 AM
offensively? no chance but thanks for playing :oldlol'
20 bran, 30/12/9 on 59%, 131 ORTG
19 kiwi, 29/10/4 on 43%:roll: , 122 ORTG :roll:
im also positive your a bran fan in real life and trolling kiwi so people pile up on him :oldlol: theres a saying for that
62% TS and 122 offensive rating is better then 2016 or 2013 2012 finals LeBron by far. The bubble everybody stats were enhanced.
And1AllDay
10-31-2020, 01:04 AM
62% TS and 122 offensive rating is better then 2016 or 2013 2012 finals LeBron by far. The bubble everybody stats were enhanced.
43% fg
yikes
next
kawhileonard2
10-31-2020, 01:12 AM
You got it all wrong my friend. Kawhi had a 122 offensive rating vs Draymond Green the GOAT defender. It also wasn't on those cheesy ass mickey mouse hoops. Everybody had enhanced offense and no defense in the bubble, it was like scoring in the 1950s era hahaha
I would say Kawhi's 2019 finals was better then any of Lebron's 4 finals wins.
This. Also in front of fans. Lebron would have buckled in front of fans.
HBK_Kliq_2
10-31-2020, 01:21 AM
43% fg
yikes
next
FG% is never used unless its someone propping up Shaq. TS stat is most commonly used and Kawhi is superior.
And1AllDay
10-31-2020, 01:34 AM
FG% is never used unless its someone propping up Shaq. TS stat is most commonly used and Kawhi is superior.
no one cares about free throws :oldlol: good try good effort
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