What did MJ need to get out of 1st rd? Pippen, Grant, Oakley

[Shooter]

LeBron just needed the ball

[3ball]

What were pippen and grant's stats when MJ won his 1st series compared to MJ's?

What did lebron need to make the 06' Playoffs?

I'll answer both in the next post if you don't

[Shooter]

What were pippen and grant's stats when MJ won his 1st series compared to MJ's?

What did lebron need to make the 06' Playoffs?

I'll answer both in the next post if you don't

What did he need? I just said it...

He just needed the ball, not 4 hall of famers :lol

[3ball]

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What were pippen and grant's stats when MJ won his 1st series compared to MJ's?



Jordan... 45 ppg
Pippen... 8 ppg
Grant..... 8 ppg



What did lebron need to make the 06' Playoffs?



lebron missed the 05' Playoffs despite having the East all-star center on his team, and made the 06' playoffs by adding a 22/5/5 all-defender and the coach of the year (top 5 defense)

[Axe]

Why didn't the wizards made the playoffs while doug collins coached that team back then?

[3ball]

Why didn't the wizards made the playoffs while doug collins coached that team back then?

Wizards were the 4 seed before MJ got hurt, just like 19' lebron

Still improved the wizards 18 games (he joined a 19-win team and 19' lebron joined 30-win team)

[Shooter]

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

[HoopsNY]

Forget about rookie Pippen and Grant (as if they're the reasons MJ got out of the 1st round).

LeBron needed to travel in the 3 game winner in order to put his team up 2-1. Washington won game 4. We don't know for sure if they would have won the series had the refs not made that big of a blunder, but it's just funny that Bran stans bring up 1988 as much as they do, while ignoring what actually happened in 06'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

[Shooter]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat 1st option 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

[Axe]

Wizards were the 4 seed before MJ got hurt, just like 19' lebron

Still improved the wizards 18 games (he joined a 19-win team and 19' lebron joined 30-win team)
So doug collins can't lead mj to a playoff spot on a team not the bulls?

[3ball]

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

89' Bulls... #10 SRS... #11 defense... #6 seed... 15 on 40% from Pip.. defeated #1 SRS
09' Cavs..... #1 SRS..... #3 defense... #1 seed... 18 on 38% from Mo...... lost to #4 SRS

[Shooter]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat 1st option 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

3ball?

[nizroc]

You still shopping your works of fiction around? You can lie all day about this stuff and put all the pictures you want, I can almost guarantee you ain’t getting invited to taco dinner with the James family.

[Baller789]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat 1st option 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

Curious what was Mark Price's apg?

[HoopsNY]

Curious what was Mark Price's apg?

These guys are such clowns. Price put up 21/4/8 on 67% TS%, but these clowns act like those are inferior numbers.

[Cyrus334]

https://i.imgur.com/qMExJUd.jpg

[3ball]

These guys are such clowns. Price put up 21/4/8 on 67% TS%, but these clowns act like those are inferior numbers.

Numerous guys outplayed pippen in the 89' 1st round

[3ball]

The talent was more spread out in the 90's, so 2-star teams were the best teams

More teams met this 2-star standard then the "big 3" standard of recent years, so there were more Finals-caliber teams in the 90's vs 10's

Obviously, it's much easier to be 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams with big 3's (heat/spurs or cavs/warriors), than 1 of many Finals-caliber teams (90's)

Btw, the Cavs were initially favored in 2015 before the Love injury and again in the 16' preseason - only an inferior brand stopped the favored Cavs from flirting with 70 wins like Kawhi and Curry did..

So it's sheer fraud to say the Cavs "upset" the warriors when they were initially favored, and only fell to underdog by underperforming the regular season

[Xiao Yao You]

What did he need? I just said it...

He just needed the ball, not 4 hall of famers :lol

Horace and Oakley are in what HOF?

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron was winning bronze medals and missing the playoffs. 1 title in 11 years for the franchise that drafted you which is a disgrace.

[97 bulls]

Again. This is dumb logic. And you're too simple to understand that utilizing this kind of reasoning only lends credibility to the argument that Jordan wasn't the GOAT. You're literally saying he didn't beat any great teams.

The Jazz were a great team. And they beat great teams like the Rockets and Lakers.

Had they beat the Bulls twice. Hornacek has an outside chance at making the Hall of Fame. Then you'd have 3 Hofers on that team and a Hofer coach.

There was nothing weak about the teams Michael and the Bulls played. The fact is the other greats weren't good enough to dominate their time like Jordan. I'd put the 97 season up against any season. And the Bulls won 69 games.

[Shooter]

These guys are such clowns. Price put up 21/4/8 on 67% TS%, but these clowns act like those are inferior numbers.


Curious what was Mark Price's apg?

Sorry bois, we only use PPGZ around here. Ask 3ball anytime he mentions Pippen. Try again :D

[SATAN]

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What were pippen and grant's stats when MJ won his 1st series compared to MJ's?


[Indent]Jordan... 45 ppg
Pippen... 8 ppg
Grant..... 8 ppg



Kind of irrelevant when one guy is hogging the ball and taking all the shots all game.

[Shooter]

Always a funny bunch on here

MJ loses in 1st round: HE HAD NO HALP OF COURSE HE LOS
MJ gets out of 1st round: HE DIDNT NEED NOBODY

:lol :lol

[Shooter]

Kind of irrelevant when one guy is hogging the ball and taking all the shots all game.

Exactly, he took over 30 shots per game he also forgot to mention Oakley who scored 11 ppg and he magically took Pippen down from 11 to 8 because he's a piece of shit :lol

During the series the WHOLE TEAM took 452 FGA and MJ took 152 (34%) of the shots.

BREAKING NEWS: MJ takes 34% of the shots, scores 44% of the points AND he also took over 60 FTs (which don't fall under FGA)

BREAKING :lol

[Shooter]

.
What were pippen and grant's stats when MJ won his 1st series compared to MJ's?



Jordan... 45 ppg
Pippen... 8 ppg
Grant..... 8 ppg



Lying piece of shit :lol Pippen had 11 and Oakley had 11 too. Can we ban this fakkit for blatant lying? No wonder Real GM discarded you


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What did lebron need to make the 06' Playoffs?

The ball...Read the OP.

[SATAN]

Lying piece of shit :lol Pippen had 11 and Oakley had 11 too. Can we ban this fakkit for blatant lying? No wonder Real GM discarded you




lol I was going to mention those numbers being wrong but he would just bring up Scottie not even scoring in one of the games

[Phoenix]

Again. This is dumb logic. And you're too simple to understand that utilizing this kind of reasoning only lends credibility to the argument that Jordan wasn't the GOAT. You're literally saying he didn't beat any great teams.

The Jazz were a great team. And they beat great teams like the Rockets and Lakers.

Had they beat the Bulls twice. Hornacek has an outside chance at making the Hall of Fame. Then you'd have 3 Hofers on that team and a Hofer coach.

There was nothing weak about the teams Michael and the Bulls played. The fact is the other greats weren't good enough to dominate their time like Jordan. I'd put the 97 season up against any season. And the Bulls won 69 games.

You're talking about a nutball who said MJ would average 45 points and 12-15 rebounds( current Giannis rebounding numbers) today. I'd say he almost single handedly is responsible for the '1-9' meme, at least on this forum. He's done far more harm than good to MJs legacy, because he's breed a legion of anti-MJ guys who've created talking points nobody cared about before in reply to his own warped mentality.

[8Ball]

Sorry bois, we only use PPGZ around here. Ask 3ball anytime he mentions Pippen. Try again :D

Ohhhh now assists matter.

But when comparing Jordan vs LeBron assists suddenly don't matter.

[8Ball]

You're talking about a nutball who said MJ would average 45 points and 12-15 rebounds( current Giannis rebounding numbers) today. I'd say he almost single handedly is responsible for the '1-9' meme, at least on this forum. He's done far more harm than good to MJs legacy, because he's breed a legion of anti-MJ guys who've created talking points nobody cared about before in reply to his own warped mentality.

3ball is reaping what he sowed.

All the thousands of arguments and threads used or created against LeBron are now being applied to Jordan.

It makes completely dumbed down arguments but what comes around goes around. LeBron family is legion now.

[Shooter]

Guys?

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price. Is this true?

:roll::roll:

[97 bulls]

You're talking about a nutball who said MJ would average 45 points and 12-15 rebounds( current Giannis rebounding numbers) today. I'd say he almost single handedly is responsible for the '1-9' meme, at least on this forum. He's done far more harm than good to MJs legacy, because he's breed a legion of anti-MJ guys who've created talking points nobody cared about before in reply to his own warped mentality.

Lol

[Marchesk]

Forget about rookie Pippen and Grant (as if they're the reasons MJ got out of the 1st round).

LeBron needed to travel in the 3 game winner in order to put his team up 2-1. Washington won game 4. We don't know for sure if they would have won the series had the refs not made that big of a blunder, but it's just funny that Bran stans bring up 1988 as much as they do, while ignoring what actually happened in 06'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw

Of course the NBA wasn't going to call a travel on Lebron in that situation. Guess he hadn't learned to put his shoulder down and extend the stiff arm yet.

[MadDog]

Polio Pippen averaged ~10 a game compared to Jordan's 45. :oldlol: @ "needed". Jordan carried Scottie while he kicked and screamed.


Horace and Oakley are in what HOF?

Still no answer here. :confusedshrug: Someone get him a lifeline, like the one LeBron used when running to Miami.

[TheCorporation]

Guys?

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price. Is this true?

:roll::roll:

Yikes

[And1AllDay]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat 1st option 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

is this tru????

[light]

LeBron just needed the ball

You forgot Phil Jackson.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/rsz_pippen-jordan-no-chemistry.png

Jordan really did need a lot of hand holding.

LeBron knew how to play winning basketball while still in the womb.

[And1AllDay]

You forgot Phil Jackson.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/rsz_pippen-jordan-no-chemistry.png

Jordan really did need a lot of hand holding.

LeBron knew how to play winning basketball while still in the womb.

wow

so what did mike need to get out of the 1st round and beat 21 ppg mark price?

jordan, pippen, grant, oakley, phil jackson

just to beat mark price 21 ppg

[kawhileonard2]

You forgot Phil Jackson.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/rsz_pippen-jordan-no-chemistry.png

Jordan really did need a lot of hand holding.

LeBron knew how to play winning basketball while still in the womb.

If that was the case why did he lose to a career loser in Dwight Howard?

Why did he embarrass America in basketball twice?

[SATAN]

You forgot Phil Jackson.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/rsz_pippen-jordan-no-chemistry.png



Interesting :yaohappy:

[And1AllDay]

Of course the NBA wasn't going to call a travel on Lebron in that situation. Guess he hadn't learned to put his shoulder down and extend the stiff arm yet.

what happened the 3 years before then baby boi? mike had three years on the bulls before they got pippen

what happened? 1-9

[Baller789]

These misleading Lebrontards are at it again.

[Shooter]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat 1st option 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

[And1AllDay]

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price

:roll::roll:

ppgz

zamn

scottie lite as a #1 option

[Baller789]

You making it sound like Mark price is "just" a 21ppg scorer.

Its like saying Magic Johnson is "only a 20ppg" scorer.

Ya all Lebronsexuals dumb af.

:roll:

[And1AllDay]

wow

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron won bronze medal with peak Tim Duncan on the team. Lebron lost with Shaq in round 2 when Shaq 3 peated with Kobe and won a title with Wade. Lebron had MVP Derrick Rose and couldn't win either.

[And1AllDay]

LeBron just needed the ball

https://i.postimg.cc/26qKkR0F/919293969798wow.jpg

[Shooter]

Guys?

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price. Is this true?

[BigShotBob]

Guys?

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price. Is this true?

Did Lebron need Wade and Bosh just to lose to JJ Barrea and Jason Terry in the Finals?

I hope this isn't true. Might kick him out of the top 10 for me.

But I'm sure that didn't happen.

[Shooter]

Did Lebron need Wade and Bosh just to lose to JJ Barrea and Jason Terry in the Finals?

I hope this isn't true. Might kick him out of the top 10 for me.

But I'm sure that didn't happen.

What did MJ need to get out of 1st rd? Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat Mark Price?

[TheGoatest]

Jordan had Pippen, but still managed to lose to Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson.

But hey, at least he managed to beat this guy:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ad/16/80/ad1680f2ebaa4c10a62bd7e4fcfc1373.jpg

:roll:

[3ball]

.https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-09-2021/OJAKU4.gif

[scuzzy]

no pip no chip

[3ball]

no pip no chip


He only played without pippen for 2 full seasons as a Bull

So you sound dumb

And Pippen's career Finals average (19.0 on 42%) was less than Wade's worst ring in 2013 (19.6 on 47% and outscored opposing #1 option)

[Manny98]

MJ had the most defensive help of any atg

He literally got to play with the two best defenders ever under 6"10 + Grant and Oakley

[TheGoatest]

no pip no chip

This is catchy, but we gotta find a more descriptive phrase. Pointing out that he didn't win a championship without Pippen isn't sufficient considering that he never ever made it out of the first round without Pippen.

[And1AllDay]

What did MJ need to get out of 1st rd? Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat Mark Price?

damaging evidence

not even top 5 no more

[TheGoatest]

Look at all the teammates Jordan had in a career with a 10-13 first round record and a 6-15 finals-making record:

https://img.comc.com/ebay-both/4485dc73-572e-48b0-8c8b-908f9bcc1d23.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/78/a1/1878a1399b702621efebe0ab9978fa05.jpg

https://images2.imagebam.com/cd/07/09/72501e1369521911.jpg

https://pytka.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/596519d17019ab1f49671f91_Iceman.jpg

https://images.pristineauction.com/108/1084649/main_1544220535-Artis-Gilmore-Signed-LE-Basketball-Hall-of-Fame-18x24-Lithograph-Inscribed-8-12-11-HOF-MAB-Hologram-PristineAuction.com.jpg

[Shooter]

Let me get this straight. It took Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price and get a 1st round win?

[ImKobe]

MJ - 45.2 ppg 63.2%TS, 2.8 stls 1.6 blks, led the team in everything but rebounding, scored 44% of their total points for the series. MJ put up 45.2 ppg on 55.9%FG, the rest of the team averaged 56.8 ppg on 41.5%FG.

[Shooter]

MJ - 45.2 ppg 63.2%TS, 2.8 stls 1.6 blks, led the team in everything but rebounding, scored 44% of their total points for the series. MJ put up 45.2 ppg on 55.9%FG, the rest of the team averaged 56.8 ppg on 41.5%FG.

All that just to beat Mark Price :lol

#FraudGoat

[Shooter]

Look at all the teammates Jordan had in a career with a 10-13 first round record and a 6-15 finals-making record:

https://img.comc.com/ebay-both/4485dc73-572e-48b0-8c8b-908f9bcc1d23.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/78/a1/1878a1399b702621efebe0ab9978fa05.jpg

https://images2.imagebam.com/cd/07/09/72501e1369521911.jpg

https://pytka.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/596519d17019ab1f49671f91_Iceman.jpg

https://images.pristineauction.com/108/1084649/main_1544220535-Artis-Gilmore-Signed-LE-Basketball-Hall-of-Fame-18x24-Lithograph-Inscribed-8-12-11-HOF-MAB-Hologram-PristineAuction.com.jpg

Is there no one else?

[TheCorporation]

Let me get this straight. It took Jordan, Pippen, Grant, & Oakley

Just to beat 21 ppg Mark Price and get a 1st round win?

:lebronamazed:

Another fact that was only found after 3ball attracted unnecessary heat to ex-Goat MJ. You live and you learn.

[kawhileonard2]

Nothing. He won gold medal before he came to the NBA. Lebron was winning bronze medal with peak Duncan and Iverson.

[Shooter]

:lebronamazed:

Another fact that was only found after 3ball attracted unnecessary heat to ex-Goat MJ. You live and you learn.

The evidence is over whelming

[DABIGSALSISHA]

LeBron just needed the ball

Your guy Bron needed a basketball on one hand and a suitcase on the other to go to Miami win his first championship (thanks to PAPA Wade and PAPA Riley).

Millions of #23 Cavaliers jerseys were born during that time.

[And1AllDay]

ahhh yes the stains that keep on blackmarking mikes fragile career

it really took all these stars to beat mark price, this cant be right

[Shooter]

Jordan, Pippen, Grant, Oakley

Just to beat Mark Price? Is that what it took for MJ to get over the hump?

https://i.postimg.cc/Z58FFYSS/Is_there_no_one_else.gif

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron just needed the ball

So he had no balls in the first 2 seasons.... got it lol

[Bawkish]

BRan team up with 2 top 5 PER players

still got wiped out by a bench warmer

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


05' Zydrunas'.... 17/9 and 2.1 blocks.. 19.5 PER.. 0.149 WS/48.. all-star
88' Pippen.......... 8/5 and 0.7 blocks.. 12.9 PER.. 0.066 WS/48.. bench-warmer


Pippen was an 8 ppg rookie that MJ carried to the 2nd Round or ECF, while Lebron needed a 2-time all-star center to make the 06' Playoffs, along with a 22/5/5 acquisition and the future COY.

So Lebron always had high seeds and decorated teammates in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan carried low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

[TheCorporation]

.
THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

[2much_knowledge]

.
THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

Ball less the first two seasons lol

[ELITEpower23]

.
THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

Was it really 4 on 1 before MJ could beat Mark Price? Can someone fact check this? MJ, Pip, Oak, and Grant to beat Mark Price?

[2much_knowledge]

Was it really 4 on 1 before MJ could beat Mark Price? Can someone fact check this? MJ, Pip, Oak, and Grant to beat Mark Price?

What round did Lebron achieve his first 2 seasons? Did someone hid the ball???

[ELITEpower23]

What round did Lebron achieve his first 2 seasons? Did someone hid the ball???

Did you ate it?

[Bawkish]

Did you ate it?

2019 Bron probably did

i heard he lost one that season

[2much_knowledge]

What round did Lebron achieve his first 2 seasons? Did someone hid the ball???

Girls?

[And1AllDay]

.
THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

bingo

:dancin :dancin

[Shooter]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball


Devastating

[3ball]

.
Help needed to make Playoffs:

Lebron.... 3 years to build team into high seed
Jordan.... nothing


Help needed to make 2nd Round:

Lebron.... 2-time all-star center... 22/5/5 acquisition.. future COY
Jordan.... 8 ppg rookie


Help needed to win title

Lebron.... 1b's and super-teams
Jordan.... no 1b's or super-teams

[Shooter]

.
Help needed to make Playoffs:

Jordan.... nothing
Lebron.... 3 years to build team


Help needed to make 2nd Round:

Jordan.... 8 ppg rookie
Lebron.... 2-time all-star center... 22/5/5 acquisition.. future COY


Help needed to win title

Jordan.... no 1b's or super-teams
Lebron.... 1b's and super-teams

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23hasAsaviorPIP.jpg

Can you fix my 1-9?

:roll::roll:

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/dVQ29yyW/23hasAsaviorPIP.jpg

Can you fix my 1-9?

:roll::roll:


Help needed to make Playoffs:

Lebron.... 3 years to build team into high seed
Jordan.... nothing


Help needed to make 2nd Round:

Lebron.... 2-time all-star center... 22/5/5 acquisition.. future COY
Jordan.... 8 ppg rookie


Help needed to win title

Lebron.... 1b's and super-teams
Jordan.... no 1b's or super-teams

[JohnFreeman]

Jordan had to go up against the Celtics, which is regarded as one of the best teams of all time. LeBron loses against the Devin Booker Suns

[Shooter]

Jordan had to go up against the Celtics, which is regarded as one of the best teams of all time. LeBron loses against the Devin Booker Suns

How did Jordan only win one game in 10 tries in the FIRST ROUND?! (1-9)

And what changed?

[3ball]

How did Jordan only win one game in 10 tries in the FIRST ROUND?! (1-9)

And what changed?


He had 3 low seeds, so he lost in the 1st Round, like Lebron does with his low seeds.

It was also his first few seasons, where everyone not named Bird/Robinson loses if they weren't drafted to a good team

Ultimately, Lebron got 3 years to develop his team into a favored, high seed before entering the playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as an 8 seed... So 1-9 compares a 3rd year high seed to a 1st year 8 seed

When Jordan had 3 healthy years to develop his team (88'), he won 50 games and made the 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron..Then he vastly outplayed Lebron in Year 4 against the champs.

[deathawaitu]

What did Lebron need to make the playoff in the west?

AD and stack teammates lol

Poor Lebron. Still a west playoff virgin boy

[Airupthere]

Lol, MJ had 6 rings with 2 3peats, with 6 fmvps. Lebron never even experienced a single 3peat with the many configurations of superteams that he built. Let that sink in.

[Shooter]

What did Lebron need to make the playoff in the west?

AD and stack teammates lol

Poor Lebron. Still a west playoff virgin boy

Imagine forgetting he cucked the West in 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2020 :lol

#KnowYourHistory

[3ball]

Imagine forgetting he cucked the West in 2012, 2013, 2016 and 2020 :lol

#KnowYourHistory


Look at the help for each of those years


2012 - the only prime Big 3 in the league

2013 - Lebron carried in the Finals

2016 - sidekick destroys Curry

2020 - pippen to AD

[AirBonner]

Pippen Rodman only the greatest defensive duo

[Shooter]

Look at the help for each of those years


2012 - the only prime Big 3 in the league

2013 - Lebron carried in the Finals

2016 - sidekick destroys Curry

2020 - pippen to AD

The 2012 Thunder were a favorite to win. They cucked the entire West. The West was trash by your own admission if OKC ran through at 12-3. To be honest OKC should have won a chip that year but they ran into LeFreight Train

They started the Playoffs 13-3 and looked dominant. Then the Heat won four straight to close out a backdoor sweep.

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.

[3ball]

The 2012 Thunder were a favorite to win.


They cucked the entire West. The West was trash by your own admission if OKC ran through at 12-3. To be honest OKC should have won a chip that year but they ran into LeFreight Train

They started the Playoffs 13-3 and looked dominant. Then the Heat won four straight to close out a backdoor sweep.

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.





The Thunder were favored in 2012 because Lebron had lost as the favorite in the previous 3 years - 2009-2011.

So he wasn't going to be favored again in 2012 despite being a repeat Finals participant against 1st timers... Fool me once .... Fool me twice....

Let me know if there's anything else in your post that you want a response to, otherwise I feel like I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded above)

[Shooter]

The Thunder were favored in 2012 because Lebron had lost as the favorite in the previous 3 years - 2009-2011.

So he wasn't going to be favored again in 2012 despite being a repeat Finals participant against 1st timers... Fool me once .... Fool me twice....

Let me know if there's anything else in your post that you want a response to, otherwise I feel like I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded above)

The Thunder were a favorite because they beat the West 12-3. I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded below)

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.

[3ball]

The Thunder were a favorite because they beat the West 12-3. I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded below)

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.



KD wouldn't look so attractive in 2012 if Lebron had won in 2011 and was the reigning champ - the reigning champ is always favored.

Btw, the Heat had the league's only Big 3 and they rolled everybody too, including a goat performance by Lebron against the 12' Celtics in Game 6 (even though the celtics were fossils, aka 36 yrs old).

This would be viewed as unbeatable in any other year, but Lebron lost as the favorite in the previous 3 years, so no one had any confidence in him - he was literally the goat choker in history at that point in his career...

[Shooter]

KD wouldn't look so attractive in 2012 if Lebron had won in 2011 and was the reigning champ - the reigning champ is always favored.

Btw, the Heat had the league's only Big 3 and they rolled everybody too, including a goat performance by Lebron against the 12' Celtics in Game 6 (even though the celtics were fossils, aka 36 yrs old).

This would be viewed as unbeatable in any other year, but Lebron lost as the favorite in the previous 3 years, so no one had any confidence in him - he was literally the goat choker in history at that point in his career...

What? :lol The Thunder's run had nothing to do with 2011 Miami. Read again:

The 2012 Thunder were a favorite because they beat the West 12-3. I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded below)

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.

[3ball]

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Reggie Miller and Pippen faced the same opponent in the playoffs 6 times:



R Miller vs. 90' Pistons..... 20.7 on 57%... 17.9 usage
Pippen. vs. 90' Pistons..... 16.6 on 43%... 20.4 usage

R Miller vs 93' Knicks....... 31.5 on 53%... 27.5 usage
Pippen. vs 93' Knicks....... 22.5 on 51%... 28.4 usage

R Miller vs 94' Knicks....... 24.7 on 44%... 30.1 usage
Pippen. vs 94' Knicks....... 21.7 on 41%... 31.7 usage

R Miller vs 95' Magic........ 25.9 on 52%... 26.2 usage
Pippen. vs 95' Magic........ 19.0 on 42%... 23.1 usage

R Miller vs 00' Lakers....... 24.3 on 41%... 25.0 usage
Pippen. vs 00' Lakers....... 15.1 on 43%... 19.5 usage
Pippen. vs 99' Lakers....... 18.3 on 33%... 23.5 usage

R Miller 98' ECF............... 17.4 on 41%... 21.1 usage
Pippen. 98' ECF............... 16.6 on 39%... 26.0 usage


Miller provided great spacing and historic clutch compared to Pippen's weak shooting and legendary chokes.

Accordingly, Miller had numerous great teams and historic runs without a single all-star teammate, while Pippen was barely .500 in 1995 before MJ came back and carried him to another 3-peat (pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 96-98' Playoffs).

Ultimately, people forget that rookie Pippen was an 8 ppg liability that MJ carried to the 2nd Round and ECF, while Lebron needed a 2-time all-star center to make the 06' Playoffs, along with a 22/5/5 acquisition and the future COY.

So Lebron always enjoyed high seeds and teammates with all-star resumes in a conference that 1-star teams were winning, while Jordan had deep runs with low seeds and undecorated role players in a conference that required a super-team to win it.

[3ball]

Pippen was barely top 50 in 1996 and dozens of new guys have passed him since then, so he can't be top 30 today.

It's an obvious mis-ranking caused by the on-paper evaluations of new fans/media who overrate Pippen's 6 rings compared to Giannis or Ewing's 0... He gets credit for rings like he's a 1st option because people are evaluating him on paper - it's similar to Klay getting ranked over Giannis due to rings - Pippen gets treated like this and it's insane.

Pippen is just the low-producing bum that came along after the super-team 80's - expansion had spread the talent around evenly so 2-star teams could win.. Anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format...

Heck, old Stockton/Malone ragdolled Shaq/Duncan and were basically back-to-back champs, so Stockton/MJ would've won every year.. Stockton is 8th all-time in BPM and has twice as many All-NBA as Pippen... That's just 1 example.. Smits/Miller nearly beat the Bulls and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers, so Smits/MJ and that team would win every year.. Miller drastically outplayed Pippen against the exact same comp in 6 playoffs (6/6) - see the stats in previous post above.

[Shooter]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

[AirBonner]

What? :lol The Thunder's run had nothing to do with 2011 Miami. Read again:

The 2012 Thunder were a favorite because they beat the West 12-3. I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded below)

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.
Cleanup isle 5!

[Shooter]

Cleanup isle 5!

:hammertime::cheers:

[TheCorporation]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[3ball]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball


Help needed to make Playoffs:

Lebron.... 3 years to build team into high seed
Jordan.... nothing


Help needed to make 2nd Round:

Lebron.... 2-time all-star center... 22/5/5 acquisition.. future COY
Jordan.... 8 ppg rookie


Help needed to win title

Lebron.... 1b's and super-teams
Jordan.... no 1b's or super-teams[

[TheCorporation]

What? :lol The Thunder's run had nothing to do with 2011 Miami. Read again:

The 2012 Thunder were a favorite because they beat the West 12-3. I destroyed your post in the very first sentence (bolded below)

The 2012 Thunder:

-swept the defending Champ Mavs (4-0)
-obliterated my Kobe Lakers (4-1)
-put away the dynasty Spurs (4-2)
-won game 1 against Miami, thus the 13-3 start (12-3 vs the West)

That team was rolling. KD, Wesbtrook, Harden, Ibaka. Better than any team Jordan ever faced. LeFreight Train had to put them down.

Bloodbath

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[And1AllDay]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExemplaryCheapCapybara-max-1mb.gif

[Shooter]

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THREAD CLIFFS

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExemplaryCheapCapybara-max-1mb.gif

[3ball]

Lebron needed Shaq in 2010

[Shooter]

Lebron needed Shaq in 2010

Oh but he got out of the 1st round before 2010

#KnowYourHistory
#PleaseTryAgain

[000]

wade taught lebron how to win. he couldnt win before that

[3ball]

Oh but he got out of the 1st round before 2010

#KnowYourHistory
#PleaseTryAgain


Jordan needed nothing to make the 2nd Round, while Lebron needed an all-star center and 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 2nd Round

Pippen was an 8 ppg rookie and nothing when Jordan made the 2nd Round

You keep posting bullshit - I'll keep correcting you with the facts

[Shooter]

Pippen taught Jordan how to win. he couldnt win before that

Duh

[Shooter]

Jordan needed nothing to make the 2nd Round, while Lebron needed an all-star center and 22/5/5 all-defender to make the 2nd Round

Pippen was an 8 ppg rookie and nothing when Jordan made the 2nd Round

You keep posting bullshit - I'll keep correcting you with the facts

https://i.postimg.cc/SNnnd11q/Lelaughter.gif

In summation:

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

[3ball]

Duh


No one wins in their first few years unless they were drafted to a good team.

Jordan made the 2nd Round and ECF with 8 ppg Pippen, so anyone could replace Pippen

You're knocking Jordan because he was stuck with Pippen and his shit performance

[3ball]

Jordan made the playoffs without all-stars or all-defenders, while Lebron made the playoffs with the East all-star center and 2 all-defenders

[Shooter]

Jordan made the playoffs without all-stars or all-defenders, while Lebron made the playoffs with the East all-star center and 2 all-defenders

MJ needed Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, and Charles Oakley to beat Mark Price?

[000]

Duh
- jordan only needed non-fvmp non-kia mvp pippen to teach him, while lebron needed fvmp wade
- jordan threepeated twice after getting taught - lebron gonna threepeat with lakers? lets see it

[Shooter]

Lebron needed Shaq in 2010


Desperation post
https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron couldn't even beat Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with Peak Duncan and Iverson on the squad. He also lost to Dwight Howard while having HCA and Dwight never beat anyone else without HCA.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExemplaryCheapCapybara-max-1mb.gif

[Shooter]

Lebron couldn't even beat Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with Peak Duncan and Iverson on the squad. He also lost to Dwight Howard while having HCA and Dwight never beat anyone else without HCA.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/1a6b48687a22ef14f40e7ab012e5a224/tenor.gif?itemid=13739141

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExemplaryCheapCapybara-max-1mb.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/SNnnd11q/Lelaughter.gif

In summation:

In order to get out of the 1st round:

• MJ just needed = Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, Charles Oakley

• LBJ just needed = the ball

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ExemplaryCheapCapybara-max-1mb.gif

[TheCorporation]

Is it true MJ needed Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, and Charles Oakley just to beat Mark Price?

[3ba11]

Is it true MJ needed Scottie Pippen, Horrace Grant, and Charles Oakley just to beat Mark Price?


Oakley wasn't on the team, while Pippen was a 2nd year scrub (and Horace was always just a role player and not worth mentioning)

Pippen averaged 14 and 3 assists that year and 15 on 40% against the #1 SRS Cavs - so Jordan carried a bed-wetting teammate over a top 5 SRS opponent, which Lebron hasn't done in 2 decades of playing (zero carry-jobs against good teams and never carried scoring load on Finals level, aka never defeated maximum defensive attention on the highest level)

carry on

Btw, Lebron needed the East all-star center and a 22/5/5 all-defender acquisition to make the 06' Playoffs and 2nd Round (and 3 years to develop into a high seed), while Jordan needed... literally nothing - a completely accolade-less cast of rookie scrubs and no-names