MJ went 1-9 without Pippen

[Gus Hemmingway]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD


All MJ has is 1-9 and 2 missed playoffs without Pippen (2002, 2003)

[3ball]

as an 8-seeded rookie and sophomore in the 8 vs 1 matchup

In a smaller league where basically everyone made the playoffs including bad teams

So rookie MJ was leading a much worse team in the playoffs than lebron ever had, in a tougher conference than lebron ever had

Jordan led playoff teams that were much worse than lebron's 04' and 19' lottery teams

People simply conflate lebron's exploits in a 1-star team conference, with rookie MJ's in a super-team conference

[Bronbron23]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD


All MJ has is 1-9 and 2 missed playoffs without Pippen (2002, 2003)

Troll

[Bawkish]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

won with Kyrie & AD


LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

won with Wade, Bosh & AD


LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD


won with Kyrie, Wade & Bosh

[Shooter]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD


All MJ has is 1-9 and 2 missed playoffs without Pippen (2002, 2003)

https://i.postimg.cc/Dz78fdg7/LeBron_Avy_Cigar_Smoke.jpg

[dbugz]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD


All MJ has is 1-9 and 2 missed playoffs without Pippen (2002, 2003)

libron has zero ring w/out james jones and jr smith.

throwing you back your stupid effin logic

Dont @me

[kawhileonard2]

Not difficult when you join multiple stars in there primes each and every time.I mean imagine Jordan going to play with Barkley and then Ewing and then Kemp/Payton for example. He would have 11 titles. But you would think of him as a coward for jumping ship.

[Kblaze8855]

I think you have had enough of a run of unchecked trolling after the finals. You had your fun.

[Axe]

I think you have had enough of a run of unchecked trolling after the finals. You had your fun.
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[Stanley Kobrick]

rip to the user dubeta. it was a strong run, the entity of simon lives on

[Cyrus334]

Whose Alt is this?

[light]

LeBron has 2 rings 2 MVPs without Wade

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without Kyrie

LeBron has 3 rings 4 MVPs without AD

All MJ has is 1-9 and 2 missed playoffs without Pippen (2002, 2003)

From 1994 to 1996 Scottie Pippen replaced Michael Jordan as the best perimeter player in the league. Not only that, but to many people Scottie Pippen became the best player in the game - a status continued for a while even after Jordan returned to the Bulls in 1995 (yes there was a time in 1996 when people thought Scottie Pippen was the best player on the Bulls because Jordan looked old).

So Scottie Pippen was a historically great and unique player. Jordan needed him. This is why Jordan said that you should not say his name without also saying Scottie Pippen.

Jordan agrees with "No Pip No Chip" wholeheartedly.

But LeBron laughs at Jordan's insecurity / personnel requirements.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

RIP Gus

[HoopsNY]

So Jordan goes from not being able to win a series without Pippen, to not being able to win single games (other than 1 against Milwaukee) without Pippen.

I guess the game 1 victory of the 1988 series against Cleveland was due to Pippen's contributions, too?

Pippen: 0-5, 0 points
Jordan: 50/7/2/2/2 on 54%

[kawhileonard2]

So Jordan goes from not being able to win a series without Pippen, to not being able to win single games (other than 1 against Milwaukee) without Pippen.

I guess the game 1 victory of the 1988 series against Cleveland was due to Pippen's contributions, too?

Pippen: 0-5, 0 points
Jordan: 50/7/2/2/2 on 54%

Game 4 at Philly Pippen didn’t play either.
Fact is even if you added Pippen to the Bulls from 1985-1987 they probably still have the same record. They weren’t beating the C’s those years. Heck Milwaukee swept the Celtics in 1983.

[3ball]

if you added prime Pippen to the Bulls from 1985-1987 they probably still have the same record.





^^^ I completely agree

A literal super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East.

The only reason MJ was able to win the 90's with just pippen was because of expansion - expansion spread the talent around the league, so 2-star teams were the best teams.. obviously, anyone wins alongside the goat in a 2-star vs 2-star format..

so a guy like Woolridge was unlucky to play alongside MJ in the super-team 80's, rather than the 2-star 90's like Pippen.. Similarly, the 1-star teams that won the 00's East would have no chance in the super-team 80's East (01' Iverson, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight)

Btw, the 2-star format in the 90's allowed many teams to be Finals-caliber.. otoh, the 2010's was top-heavy like the 80's - the heat/spurs and cavs/warriors were the only teams with 3 perennial all-stars (big 3's), so they made all the Finals from 11-18'.. obviously, it's easier to be 1 of 2 Finals-caliber teams than 1 of many Finals-caliber teams (90's)

[Wally450]

I think you have had enough of a run of unchecked trolling after the finals. You had your fun.

:lol

[Manny98]

Free Gus

[3ball]

Pippen shot 45.9% true shooting in the 93' Finals and had worse playoff PER than 14' Wade.. He averaged 15 on 39% in the 1st Round and was destroyed by Dominique and Willis..

He averaged 16 on 40% in 2 Finals, 4 ECF, and the 7-game war in the 92' ECF (destroyed by X-man).. he averaged 15 on 34% in the 96' Finals and outplayed by Schrempf.. 17 on 41% in the entire 96-98' Playoffs!!... 12 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons... 19 on 42% in 6 Finals

Anytime a series was close or lost, it was pippen's poor play that caused it.. and no one noticed or blamed him because he wasn't a real star, despite the accolades (winning spotlight inflation).. no one tracked his production because it was all about MJ.. MJ averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series of their career except 1.. Compare to lebron, who needs an equal-scoring partner to win Finals (only 2-5 more than sidekick in Finals wins)

Jordan also averaged more assists on 6 of 9 playoff runs alongside pippen, while assisting 33% more often (Jordan took more shots and can't assist on those shots, so his assist percentage was higher than Pippen's).. Finally, Jordan was 2nd for DPOY in 1993, while pippen didn't place.. Jordan got more dpoy votes than pippen every year except 96' and 97' (92' was a tie)..

in 1999, the Rockets had Pippen at 3rd option (more stacked than Bulls) but lost in the 1st Round (18 on 32% for pip).

Pippen was just lucky to play alongside MJ in a 2-star vs 2-star format of the 90's, where anyone wins alongside the goat - MJ would've needed more help in the 80's East, where a literal super-team was required to win the 80's East.

Heck, Jordan pushed the Pistons to 6 games in 89' despite 10 on 40% from Pippen (who missed the last 2 games).. so he would've won the title that year with anyone OTHER than Pippen (no Phil either).. Certainly the FMVP and "Piston-killer" James Worthy would've beaten the Pistons alongside MJ from 88-91'.. pippen simply won the "3-peat with MJ" lottery..

Ultimately, pippen was nothing without the perfect setup - 7 years of grooming and a 3-peat strategy/system = 55 wins just like Lowry or Marc Gasol, aka everyone... And 2nd round embarrassment.. then he was a .500 bum the next year when the 3-peat luster was gone and the playoffs had exposed him

that was PEAK pippen.. he averaged 21 on 40% in the 2nd Round and destroyed by Ewing.. Kukoc had higher BPM in those playoffs, while grant/bj/kukoc had higher WS/48... Pippen simply wasn't a 1st option.... he was.... "a pippen"

Finally, most people aren't aware that lebron never won a Finals or beat a top 5 SRS team (good team), with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick - so he never had a carry-job against a good team, whereas MJ beat 5 good teams with 16 on 40% from Pippen (including the #1 SRS team in 89', aka Cavs).. So only MJ had carry-jobs against good teams

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