Is Curry really the second greatest PG of all-time after MAGIC?

[Dagoods]

CURRY's:
3× NBA champion (2015, 2017, 2018) - The only unanimous MVP winner in history.
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2015, 2016)
6× NBA All-Star (2014–2019)
3 × All-NBA First Team (2015, 2016, 2019)
NBA scoring champion (2016)
NBA steals leader (2016)

To most, he's the greatest shooter of all-time (I still think this title belongs to BIRD). But he's an average defender and playmaker.

I think he's pretty damn awesome, superb shooter but how on earth can anyone claim he's better than the likes of:
Big-O (2-way player, better playmaker), Stockton (Superb shooter, 2-way player, better playmaker) Thomas (better handles, better playmaker, better defender, more clutch), Kidd (2-way player, better playmaker). Heck, I think even CP3 may be overall better.

Curry has won more titles than the aforementioned and MVPs but does that make him overall better?
For example, The Big-O and Stockton won more assists titles than Curry.

SHAQ has won 4 rings and 3 FINALS MVPs but he still is not considered better than Russell, Kareem, and Wilt.
Yes, he won more rings than WILT, but WILT won way more scoring titles and was a much better defender. So how come
Curry gets a pass?

What say you?
Your thoughts...your thoughts

[3ball]

He isn't as good at PG skills, aka the ball-dominant, high APG style

So he isn't a PG in the traditional sense. I would just look at him like a guard, where he isn't a top 20 guard all-time

[Stephonit]

Of course not. Stephen Curry is the greatest PG of all-time.

[3ball]

Of course not. Stephen Curry is the greatest PG of all-time.
Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for 3 straight years until his 3-point attempts jumped and the league adopted a 3-pointer offensive format

So his scoring depends on his 3-point attempts, and therefore doesn't translate to other eras where he'd take less threes

[Gray GOAT]

LeBron James is the greatest PG and SF of all time.

[Ben Simmons]

Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for 3 straight years until his 3-point attempts jumped and the league adopted a 3-pointer offensive format

So his scoring depends on his 3-point attempts, and therefore doesn't translate to other eras where he'd take less threes

3 point line has been around for decades. Maybe he's so good he forces to adapt earlier than they did

[3ball]

LeBron James is the greatest PG and SF of all time.
SF in name only

He's never really played SF (a highly assisted position)

He's always played a dribbling PG role (low-assisted position)

Ultimately, everyone knows he started at SF but then became a 2nd point guard on the floor.. teammates had less ball-time and assists in these 2-PG lineups versus traditional 1-PG lineups, which resulted in low team assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level

Lebron's PG style doesn't allow the best strategy (ball movement) or develop young players (spot-up shooters), so he requires ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, not brand or teammate development)

[dankok8]

Probably. I can see a lot of people taking Oscar over him but I think Curry is probably winning that debate.

[pandiani17]

Of course not. Stephen Curry is the greatest PG of all-time.

:roll:

[Dagoods]

I saw Stockton's entire career and I wouldn't take Curry over Stockton, not even at gunpoint!

I understand he actually won rings and all but on ability alone, besides his range and shooting skills, he's quite average.

Like I said, SHAQ won more titles than WILT but WILT is still regarded as the better player because that's exactly what he was.

So why does CURRY get away with this?

[1987_Lakers]

I saw Stockton's entire career and I wouldn't take Curry over Stockton, not even at gunpoint!

:roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Nope, Oscar Robertson is clearly the 2nd greatest PG of all time.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Magic
Oscar
Paul
Zeke
Nash
Kidd
Iverson
Cousy
Frazier
Billups
Parker
Archibald
Price
Payton
K. Johnson




Looks like he's not top 15

[Bronbron23]

Of course not. Stephen Curry is the greatest PG of all-time.:roll:

[Axe]

Of course not. Stephen Curry is the greatest PG of all-time.
Magic has a case that makes him better than curry, including going 5/9 in the finals versus the latter's 3/5.

[Stephonit]

Magic
Oscar
Paul
Zeke
Nash
Kidd
Iverson
Cousy
Frazier
Billups
Parker
Archibald
Price
Payton
K. Johnson


Looks like he's not top 15


It's like with his 400+ threes record, he's so far ahead you don't see him:

Curry









Magic
Oscar
Paul
Zeke
Nash
Kidd
Iverson
Cousy
Frazier
Billups
Parker
Archibald
Price
Payton
K. Johnson

[HoopsNY]

What hurts Steph IMO is his defense, ability to pass, and how he played in the 2016 finals. In addition, two of his titles come off of the strength of the signing of KD. His first title comes in the absence of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving, where Cleveland still managed to win 2 games.

Curry has been in 4 NBA finals and hasn't won a FMVP award. So really and truly, it boils down to how much do you value his shooting over everything else? And which rules are you employing? Classic rules with more perimeter defense or loosened rules with more spacing? I'd still take Magic, Oscar, Zeke, Paul, Payton and maybe Stockton over Curry.

For some reason, I just don't trust him in big spots.

[Stephonit]

What hurts Steph IMO is his defense, ability to pass, and how he played in the 2016 finals. In addition, two of his titles come off of the strength of the signing of KD. His first title comes in the absence of Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving, where Cleveland still managed to win 2 games.

Curry has been in 4 NBA finals and hasn't won a FMVP award. So really and truly, it boils down to how much do you value his shooting over everything else? And which rules are you employing? Classic rules with more perimeter defense or loosened rules with more spacing? I'd still take Magic, Oscar, Zeke, Paul, Payton and maybe Stockton over Curry.

For some reason, I just don't trust him in big spots.

When did Magic or Oscar win a ring without Kareem? When did Zeke, Paul, Payton, or Stockton ever come close to being MVP?

Curry is far far ahead.

[iamgine]

Curry in his MVP run might be the not only the best PG, but player of all time.

However, that's only for regular season. In the playoff, especially finals, he hasn't proven himself among the greats.

[Stephonit]

Curry in his MVP run might be the not only the best PG, but player of all time.

However, that's only for regular season. In the playoff, especially finals, he hasn't proven himself among the greats.

Pffft. Holds the +/- record in the playoffs. Led the record winning team in playoffs history. Beat two closest MVPs to him in a series. Beat all other All-NBA First Team players aside from himself in a playoffs run. Has finals numbers that match or exceed Magic's or Bird's at their peak.

But whatever, people can cling to their false narratives with Curry. The real world will bite them.

[HoopsNY]

When did Magic or Oscar win a ring without Kareem? When did Zeke, Paul, Payton, or Stockton ever come close to being MVP?

Curry is far far ahead.

Those are good points. Having said that, Curry lucked out on an injured Cavs team, and still lost 2 games somehow. Not to mention, he didn't even win FMVP in that series.

His MVP awards are certainly a notch in his favor, though, and that does serve to his credit.

[Stephonit]

Those are good points. Having said that, Curry lucked out on an injured Cavs team, and still lost 2 games somehow. Not to mention, he didn't even win FMVP in that series.

His MVP awards are certainly a notch in his favor, though, and that does serve to his credit.

The injured Cavs team that still swept its Eastern Conference Finals? The full-strength Cavs team lucked out the following year with suspensions and injuries and still barely won in 7. This year's star studded Lakers team lucked out facing the Heat that featured an often overlooked star leading a rookie and an undrafted player. In the realm of fortunate events Curry's for some reason are blown out of all proportion while the trials he's had to overcome are conveniently forgotten.

[hold this L]

CURRY's:
3× NBA champion (2015, 2017, 2018) - The only unanimous MVP winner in history.
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2015, 2016)
6× NBA All-Star (2014–2019)
3 × All-NBA First Team (2015, 2016, 2019)
NBA scoring champion (2016)
NBA steals leader (2016)

To most, he's the greatest shooter of all-time (I still think this title belongs to BIRD). But he's an average defender and playmaker.

I think he's pretty damn awesome, superb shooter but how on earth can anyone claim he's better than the likes of:
Big-O (2-way player, better playmaker), Stockton (Superb shooter, 2-way player, better playmaker) Thomas (better handles, better playmaker, better defender, more clutch), Kidd (2-way player, better playmaker). Heck, I think even CP3 may be overall better.

Curry has won more titles than the aforementioned and MVPs but does that make him overall better?
For example, The Big-O and Stockton won more assists titles than Curry.

SHAQ has won 4 rings and 3 FINALS MVPs but he still is not considered better than Russell, Kareem, and Wilt.
Yes, he won more rings than WILT, but WILT won way more scoring titles and was a much better defender. So how come
Curry gets a pass?

What say you?
Your thoughts...your thoughts

My thoughts are the same as always Simon. You're a loser who needs to go outside even during the corona era and stops wasting your life making alts on ish.

[Axe]

Curry in his MVP run might be the not only the best PG, but player of all time.

However, that's only for regular season. In the playoff, especially finals, he hasn't proven himself among the greats.
+1

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[iamgine]

Pffft. Holds the +/- record in the playoffs. Led the record winning team in playoffs history. Beat two closest MVPs to him in a series. Beat all other All-NBA First Team players aside from himself in a playoffs run. Has finals numbers that match or exceed Magic's or Bird's at their peak.

But whatever, people can cling to their false narratives with Curry. The real world will bite them.
It's not false narrative. People watch these games.

[tanibanana]

Technically, he is, without a doubt.
There is no PG in the history of the sport which hold better resume than him aside from Magic.

But if we relate PG to someone who facilitate the team’s offense, distribute the ball, finds open teammates, designated as the one who will bring the ball and pass the ball. Then he is not.

[Stephonit]

It's not false narrative. People watch these games.

To opine that Curry is not an all-time great in the playoffs shows that they don't know how to watch the games.

Case in point:



But if we relate PG to someone who facilitate the team’s offense, distribute the ball, finds open teammates, designated as the one who will bring the ball and pass the ball. Then he is not.

No one facilitates his team's offense as much as Curry. Defensive schemes and player types have been rendered obsolete because of him. If you don't understand that you don't know what's been going on the past 5 years.

[iamgine]

To opine that Curry is not an all-time great in the playoffs shows that they don't know how to watch the games.


I'd agree but which all time great are we talking about? Curry's clearly not Lebron or Magic level in the playoff. Maybe Karl Malone level? I mean, Malone's also an all time great right?

[HylianNightmare]

Curry was a 19 ppg scorer for 3 straight years until his 3-point attempts jumped and the league adopted a 3-pointer offensive format

So his scoring depends on his 3-point attempts, and therefore doesn't translate to other eras where he'd take less threes

The game isn't going to devolve so this is it going forward.

[Stephonit]

I'd agree but which all time great are we talking about? Curry's clearly not Lebron or Magic level in the playoff. Maybe Karl Malone level? I mean, Malone's also an all time great right?

Does LeBron or Magic hold the +/- record in the playoffs? Was it Curry or LeBron who was the first player born in Akron to lead his NBA team to a championship in Cleveland? Who holds the record for highest PPG average in a playoffs sweep? Magic level in the playoffs? What's that? Getting favorable whistles in the playoffs like James Harden does in the regular season?

[HoopsNY]

To opine that Curry is not an all-time great in the playoffs shows that they don't know how to watch the games.

Case in point:



No one facilitates his team's offense as much as Curry. Defensive schemes and player types have been rendered obsolete because of him. If you don't understand that you don't know what's been going on the past 5 years.

This is a very good point. Very few players can say they have revolutionized the way the game is played. Curry is one of those guys whether you like today's style of play. Now everyone wants to shoot 3s three feet and above the three point line. Not to mention three point shooting all together. Teams seemed to cater to that knowing that they would have to go through Golden State in order to win a title.

[iamgine]

Does LeBron or Magic hold the +/- record in the playoffs? Was it Curry or LeBron who was the first player born in Akron to lead his NBA team to a championship in Cleveland? Who holds the record for highest PPG average in a playoffs sweep? Magic level in the playoffs? What's that? Getting favorable whistles in the playoffs like James Harden does in the regular season?

Im not sure those questions lead to anything. People watch these games.

[Dagoods]

I guess the truth hurts, little man!

[Mr. Woke]

I saw Stockton's entire career and I wouldn't take Curry over Stockton, not even at gunpoint!

I understand he actually won rings and all but on ability alone, besides his range and shooting skills, he's quite average.

Like I said, SHAQ won more titles than WILT but WILT is still regarded as the better player because that's exactly what he was.

So why does CURRY get away with this?

You are delusional. Curry is an MVP winner and Stockton was only First Team All NBA twice in 19 seasons.

[tanibanana]

To opine that Curry is not an all-time great in the playoffs shows that they don't know how to watch the games.

Case in point:



No one facilitates his team's offense as much as Curry. Defensive schemes and player types have been rendered obsolete because of him. If you don't understand that you don't know what's been going on the past 5 years.

I am actually in agreement Curry is without a doubt the greatest PG after Magic.
I just pointed out the traditional PG type of playing, which some uses it against Curry.
You need to watch Curry, to appreciate him.
Curry is not the traditional PG which one of the many reasons why he was this great.

[Axe]

I am actually in agreement Curry is without a doubt the greatest PG after Magic.
I just pointed out the traditional PG type of playing, which some uses it against Curry.
You need to watch Curry, to appreciate him.
Curry is not the traditional PG which one of the many reasons why he was this great.
He's great in the rs. He's made more three-point shots in his second-straight mvp season alone than the whole '11-12 lakers combined. However, that shooting streak dissolves in the playoffs and while he can provide spacing for other potential players, he's not a good defender and he's not exactly clutch as well. Double teams can also rend him useless. They are effective against curry due to his small size but obviously, he'd let klay or his other peers take advantage while they are busy swarming the chef.

[Stephonit]

Im not sure those questions lead to anything. People watch these games.

People watch the games but keep coming away with dumb takes. People claim Trump is the worst president ever and yet he still gets half the vote.

[Shooter]

Magic
Oscar
Curry
CP3
Zeke

I think

[light]

CURRY's:
3× NBA champion (2015, 2017, 2018) - The only unanimous MVP winner in history.
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2015, 2016)
6× NBA All-Star (2014–2019)
3 × All-NBA First Team (2015, 2016, 2019)
NBA scoring champion (2016)
NBA steals leader (2016)

To most, he's the greatest shooter of all-time (I still think this title belongs to BIRD). But he's an average defender and playmaker.

I think he's pretty damn awesome, superb shooter but how on earth can anyone claim he's better than the likes of:
Big-O (2-way player, better playmaker), Stockton (Superb shooter, 2-way player, better playmaker) Thomas (better handles, better playmaker, better defender, more clutch), Kidd (2-way player, better playmaker). Heck, I think even CP3 may be overall better.

Curry has won more titles than the aforementioned and MVPs but does that make him overall better?
For example, The Big-O and Stockton won more assists titles than Curry.

SHAQ has won 4 rings and 3 FINALS MVPs but he still is not considered better than Russell, Kareem, and Wilt.
Yes, he won more rings than WILT, but WILT won way more scoring titles and was a much better defender. So how come
Curry gets a pass?

What say you?
Your thoughts...your thoughts

If I'm building an all-time starting 5 that I was creating to win actual games I would have it centered around LeBron James, so Magic Johnson would not be needed, and I would instead have Curry at PG.

What does that mean?

Well what it actually means is that LeBron is actually a better point guard than both Magic and Curry (LeBron can do Magic's job at point, obviously, plus he does everything else better than Magic. LeBron is better than Curry at everything except three point shooting).

But, look, the future of basketball going forward will have three point shooting as an absolute requirement. All of the players of the past that couldn't shoot well (like Magic) will have a negative legacy impact over time going into the future.

[Axe]

People watch the games but keep coming away with dumb takes. People claim Trump is the worst president ever and yet he still gets half the vote.
Well, there are still a lot of magatards roaming on their soil.

[Stephonit]

LeBron is better than Curry at everything except three point shooting.

Another simplistic reductionist erroneous assessment that shows people don't really watch the games. Let's not even wade into the implications of being a better three point shooter like higher efficiency and increased gravity. Curry has better court coverage, faster hands, and is a superior decoy.