Mark Cuban talks about letting Nash walk. Says Nash hated him for years.

[Kblaze8855]

“That’s my biggest mistake ever. Not even close, my biggest mistake ever. He had been injured the year before and his minutes were declining, and our doctor was like, ‘He may have some issues.’ And coach [Don Nelson] was like, ‘He may have some issues.’ So we made him what we thought was a great offer, but then Phoenix came in and just beat that offer,” the Mavs owner said.
“I’ll never forget, because he called me up and he goes: ‘They offered me more than Mike Bibby,’ and Mike Bibby had just gotten a big contract. “And I have it down on this calendar at my office at the arena still, it says: ‘Nash: Mike Bibby Money.’ “Nash hated me for a long time because of it. We’re good now.”



The most annoying part of it to me has always been what they did with the money:



DALLAS -- The Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) got a big man, completing an
eight-player sign-and-trade deal Tuesday that will bring Erick Dampier (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3117) from the Golden State Warriors (https://www.espn.com/nba/clubhouse?team=gsw).
In the deal, Dampier will receive a seven-year, $73 million contract, ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher has learned.
Dallas sends Christian Laettner (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=837), Eduardo Najera (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3437), two future first-round draft picks and the draft rights to guards Luis Flores (https://www.espn.com/nbadraft/d04/tracker/player?playerId=18698)
and Mladen Sekularac (https://www.espn.com/nbadraft/d04/tracker/player?playerId=18396) to the Warriors for Dampier, Dan Dickau (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3625), Evan Eschmeyer (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3357) and the draft rights to Steve Logan (https://www.espn.com/nbadraft/d04/tracker/player?playerId=16211).
The 6-foot-11 Dampier averaged career highs of 12.3 points and 12 rebounds in 74 games last season for the Warriors. He was fourth in the NBA in rebounding, and one of just nine players to average more than 10 points and 10 rebounds a game.
Dampier opted out of his contract with the Warriors in late June and became a free agent after seven seasons with Golden State.



7 years 73 million for Dampier. Nash only got 65:




DALLAS -- Dallas Mavericks (https://www.espn.com/nba/clubhouse?team=dal) free agent guard Steve Nash (https://www.espn.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3103) reached a verbal agreement on Thursday to sign with the Phoenix Suns (https://www.espn.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho).
As first reported by ESPN.com's Marc Stein on Thursday afternoon, Nash agreed to a six-year package worth more than $65 million -- with the sixth season partially guaranteed and the Suns holding a team option for the full amount in Year 6.


Mavs supposedly offered him 20 million less. So they had 73 million for Dampier but only 45 million for Nash.


He didnt look like Suns nash of course but he didnt look done either. This is the last game he played in Dallas:



https://youtu.be/kepkjhiqJvg








Maybe they never even get to the finals with Nash because they likely dont switch up styles as much if hes there. Defense likely suffers. But still.

Just bugs me. And apparently it still bugs Cuban.

[iamgine]

It shouldn't bug anyone. Nash was 29 years old, and actually had some issues. He was also badly outplayed by a 25 years old Mike Bibby in the playoff. Why should he get a big contract? If anything Phoenix overpaid and got lucky.

[Kblaze8855]

It shouldn't bug anyone. Nash was 29 years old, and actually had some issues. He was also badly outplayed by a 25 years old Mike Bibby in the playoff. Why should he get a big contract? If anything Phoenix overpaid and got lucky.


If anything that shows the foolishness of "Look what happened last week!" logic and how people overreact to 4-5 games vs one team as if thats a way to evaluate performance vs the NBA. Bibby had a huge deal and did little to nothing for the Kings after it was signed.

People fall in love with a hot series and ignore hundreds of games of evidence as if "Playoffs are what matters" helps you make the playoffs to begin with. You have to be great all the time or what you could potentially do in a series doesnt matter. Which I suppose the Kings learned when peak Bibby led them into the decline they have yet to recover from.

[Horatio33]

As it happened it was sort of defensible as Nash had missed a lot of time with a back injury but to not see where the rules were heading which suited Nash down to the ground was the almost as bad as wasting over $70m on Dampier who was obviously trying hard in a contract year whilst playing on a bad team.

[fourkicks44]

It shouldn't bug anyone. Nash was 29 years old, and actually had some issues. He was also badly outplayed by a 25 years old Mike Bibby in the playoff. Why should he get a big contract? If anything Phoenix overpaid and got lucky.



How lucky was Phoenix in the whole situation to get Nash back?

Go back to the 96 draft and nobody would have thought Nash would be the most accomplished behind Kobe and arguably AI.

[iamgine]

If anything that shows the foolishness of "Look what happened last week!" logic and how people overreact to 4-5 games vs one team as if thats a way to evaluate performance vs the NBA. Bibby had a huge deal and did little to nothing for the Kings after it was signed.

People fall in love with a hot series and ignore hundreds of games of evidence as if "Playoffs are what matters" helps you make the playoffs to begin with. You have to be great all the time or what you could potentially do in a series doesnt matter. Which I suppose the Kings learned when peak Bibby led them into the decline they have yet to recover from.
A deal should be evaluated before it was signed. Not after. If a team drafted Giannis #1, they'd be stupid, regardless of him becoming an MVP later on.

Would it be foolish if Denver pay Murray big money and he fizzles out? Of course not.

Nash was 29 years old who doctors say have issues. You want to give this guy a huge deal?

[pandiani17]

A deal should be evaluated before it was signed. Not after. If a team drafted Giannis #1, they'd be stupid, regardless of him becoming an MVP later on.

Would it be foolish if Denver pay Murray big money and he fizzles out? Of course not.

Nash was 29 years old who doctors say have issues. You want to give this guy a huge deal?

Agree. BTW, there was the impression that Nash's career was already in a downward spiral, and nobody expected him to do shit in Phoenix, which had a terrible 2003/04 season. If somebody told you in the summer of 2004 that the following year Nash would be MVP and the Suns would have the best record in the Western Conference you would tell them to stop doing drugs.

[Kblaze8855]

A deal should be evaluated before it was signed. Not after. If a team drafted Giannis #1, they'd be stupid, regardless of him becoming an MVP later on.

Would it be foolish if Denver pay Murray big money and he fizzles out? Of course not.

Nash was 29 years old who doctors say have issues. You want to give this guy a huge deal?

Vs offering also 29 year old Dampier 30 million more?

Yes.

It was a stupid call no matter how you look at it which is why the people who made it....call it a stupid call.

[Horatio33]

A deal should be evaluated before it was signed. Not after. If a team drafted Giannis #1, they'd be stupid, regardless of him becoming an MVP later on.

Would it be foolish if Denver pay Murray big money and he fizzles out? Of course not.

Nash was 29 years old who doctors say have issues. You want to give this guy a huge deal?

You do know who Erick Dampier is dont you?

[Lil-Shrimp]

In the end it all worked out well for the Mavericks. They got further without Steve Nash