2016 lebron wasn’t that great

[Gohan]

I mean sure, he did great in the finals but the rest of the playoffs and even the regular season he was meh. Now 2018 lebron, now that’s greatness. I’m sure any fan could appreciate that

[And1AllDay]

yep in 2016 he only had a 30.0 per playoff run thru the finals. only 2 other players in nba history ever did this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YXlRiVCucJuVwXQNhr/giphy.gif

not that great

[Axe]

He still led all players in every category when he won his 3rd tho

[Hey Yo]

I mean sure, he did great in the finals but the rest of the playoffs and even the regular season he was meh. Now 2018 lebron, now that’s greatness. I’m sure any fan could appreciate that
dumb

[Gohan]

dumb

Bottom line it’s not even a competition. 2018>>> 2016

[And1AllDay]

yep in 2016 he only had a 30.0 per playoff run thru the finals. only 2 other players in nba history ever did this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YXlRiVCucJuVwXQNhr/giphy.gif

not that great

op? ducking your daddy?

only 3 players ever had a 30.0 or higher PER playoff run thru finals

2016 bran was one of them.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Kawhi 2019 playoff run was better. Kawhi eliminated giannis/butler/curry the tougher path. Kawhi also didn't have a 25PPG scorer on his team like LeBron had. Raptors biggest shot of the year was Kawhi's game 7 buzzer beater and cavs biggest shot of the year was Irving game 7. So kawhi overall in 2019 was superior.

[Gohan]

op? ducking your daddy?

only 3 players ever had a 30.0 or higher PER playoff run thru finals

2016 bran was one of them.

Iverson>>>>

I just don’t usually respond to the typical lebron fan. They go overboard with their love for him. Btw go Biden

[Kiddlovesnets]

Well I wont say that Lebron's 2016 run was the greatest or close to that but, its funny each time you bring up that shit known as Iverson. Just stop posting already, Iverson is the worst cancer in NBA history and he aint even close to top 20 all time.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

Note I dont usually respond to typical Iverson fan, but this one goes overboard with his obsession for cancer.
:facepalm

[┌∩┐(﹒︠益﹒︡)┌∩┐]

Iverson>>>>

I just don’t usually respond to the typical lebron fan. They go overboard with their love for him. Btw go Biden

What is your obsession with iverson

[Gohan]

Eminem-stan go listen to it

[Gohan]

Well I wont say that Lebron's 2016 run was the greatest or close to that but, its funny each time you bring up that shit known as Iverson. Just stop posting already, Iverson is the worst cancer in NBA history and he aint even close to top 20 all time.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

Note I dont usually respond to typical Iverson fan, but this one goes overboard with his obsession for cancer.
:facepalm

How aboutgo eat a fat d1ck

[Kiddlovesnets]

How aboutgo eat a fat d1ck

Like you always do? Too bad I am not you...
:(

[pandiani17]

Well I wont say that Lebron's 2016 run was the greatest or close to that but, its funny each time you bring up that shit known as Iverson. Just stop posting already, Iverson is the worst cancer in NBA history and he aint even close to top 20 all time.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/155/834/plz-stop-post.jpg

Note I dont usually respond to typical Iverson fan, but this one goes overboard with his obsession for cancer.
:facepalm

Did AI do something to your family? You are trashing him all the time.

[pandiani17]

As for the thread, :roll:

He beat a 73-9 team in the Finals leading all the main statistics. Not great for some, though.

[Gohan]

As for the thread, :roll:

He beat a 73-9 team in the Finals leading all the main statistics. Not great for some, though.

Yea I was talking about besides the finals,we can’t deny he was great in the finals. I was talking about more like the pistons series

[3ball]

yep in 2016 he only had a 30.0 per playoff run thru the finals. only 2 other players in nba history ever did this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YXlRiVCucJuVwXQNhr/giphy.gif

not that great

It's easy to have higher PER when you have an equal-scoring sidekick taking on equal defensive attention away from you

Otoh, Jordan was the sole focus of the opponent's defense because he didn't have equal-scoring partners like Lebron - he averaged 10-30 more than pippen in every series and his biggest rival invented the 5-on-1 defense to stop him, aka "Jordan Rules"

Despite jordan's tougher road, he still had higher production rate than lebron - Jordan is #1 all-time in PER, BPM, WS/48 and VORP seasons.

[pandiani17]

Yea I was talking about besides the finals,we can’t deny he was great in the finals. I was talking about more like the pistons series

He didn't need to bring his A game in the previous series against the Raptors and the others. I remember watching a game against the Raptors in the Conference Finals where Demarre Carroll started defending him one-on-one and he buried him with 16 points or so in the first quarter. In that sense, I agree that his 2018 complete playoffs run was better, but the reason behind that can be that he had a worst team in 2018 and having to take all the load from the first round, where the series went to seven games.

[Phoenix]

Kawhi eliminated giannis/butler/curry the tougher path.

Giannis has been unceremoniously dumped the last 2 years as reigning MVP, Butler has never been some insurmountable obstacle (dude's really good but people are acting like this playoff run he wasn't punching well beyond his normal weight), and Curry not only didn't have KD but also lost Klay so....

https://i.imgur.com/sWsCp1p.jpg

[NBAGOAT]

he's not as dominant offensively as 17 or 18 partially because of his broken jumper the first half of the year. however he gets a lot of criticism for his defense in cle but he was legitimately pretty good on defense that year Kind of had to be with kyrie missing games. 16 and 20 are his standout years defensively after he dropped his effort after 2013.

[And1AllDay]

i just leave this here

enjoy :cheers:

30 and over PER rating thru finals

2018 LBJ: 32.2
1991 MJ: 32.0
2014 LBJ: 31.1
2000 Shaq: 30.5
2012 LBJ: 30.3
2020 LBJ: 30.2
2017 LBJ: 30.1
1993 MJ: 30.1
2016 LBJ: 30.0

LBJ x6
MJ: x2
Shaq: x1

thats the full list. only happened 9 times and bran has 6 of them :oldlol:
legoat

[HoopsNY]

Give me a break. 2016 was impressive af and is one of the greatest NBA finals performances, ever.

[3ball]

Give me a break. 2016 was impressive af and is one of the greatest NBA finals performances, ever.

If 2nd option KJ outscored MJ by 5 points in the 93' Finals, would anyone say Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

You can do this with any Finals... If 2nd option Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would we credit Miller with a goat accomplishment?

So why does lebron get credit for a goat accomplishment when Kyrie outplayed Curry (so lebron had to outplay.. Klay?)

The series only went 7 because lebron averaged 24 and 6 TO's for the first 4 games, so he should be knocked for needing 7, especially given Kyrie's performance..

ultimately, we all know the Draymond suspension allowed lebron to win.. and if everyone knew beforehand that MVP Curry wouldn't exist and he'd get crushed by Kyrie, no one would've favored the warriors

[Kiddlovesnets]

Did AI do something to your family? You are trashing him all the time.

Nope he didnt, but hes a cancer and its fact. Whats wrong speaking the truth? No one will be hating/trashing AI if his fans aint comparing him to Lebron or Kobe. Make a thread comparing AI to T-Mac/VC and I definitely wont say a bad thing about him there.

[3ball]

Give me a break. 2016 was impressive af and is one of the greatest NBA finals performances, ever.
we all know the Draymond suspension allowed lebron to win..

Furthermore, if everyone knew beforehand that MVP Curry wouldn't exist and he'd get crushed by Kyrie, no one would've favored the warriors

For example, if 2nd option Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in the 00' Finals, would we credit Miller with a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

You can do this with any Finals... If 2nd option KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals, would anyone say Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

So why does lebron get credit for a goat accomplishment when Kyrie outplayed Curry?

so lebron should be knocked for needing 7 given Kyrie's performance.. and it only went 7 because lebron averaged 24 and 6 TO's thru 4 games

[HoopsNY]

we all know the Draymond suspension allowed lebron to win..

Furthermore, if everyone knew beforehand that MVP Curry wouldn't exist and he'd get crushed by Kyrie, no one would've favored the warriors

For example, if 2nd option Rik Smits outplayed Shaq in the 00' Finals, would we credit Miller with a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

You can do this with any Finals... If 2nd option KJ outplayed MJ in the 93' Finals, would anyone say Barkley had a goat accomplishment by winning that series?

So why does lebron get credit for a goat accomplishment when Kyrie outplayed Curry?

so lebron should be knocked for needing 7 given Kyrie's performance.. and it only went 7 because lebron averaged 24 and 6 TO's thru 4 games

No one is diminishing Kyrie's performance. But the fact remains is that LeBron led both teams in every major statistical category. No one has ever done that in NBA history. Even if you don't view that as being the greatest finals accomplishment, it is still an accomplishment worthy of praise.

I mean, the OP said it himself, "the 2016 finals wasn't that great." C'mon.

[3ball]

No one is diminishing Kyrie's performance. But the fact remains is that LeBron led both teams in every major statistical category. No one has ever done that in NBA history. Even if you don't view that as being the greatest finals accomplishment, it is still an accomplishment worthy of praise.

I mean, the OP said it himself, "the 2016 finals wasn't that great." C'mon.

It's 5 arbitrary categories

Many guys have led the Finals in 5 categories

And lebron shared the load - teammates averaged nearly the same ppg, rebs, steals and blocks.. Jordan shared categories too but then he completely carried the primary category (scoring)

Finally, scoring is the primary category, and Kyrie's equal scoring attracted equal defensive attention, which made lebron's stats easier to get

[HoopsNY]

It's 5 arbitrary categories

Many guys have led the Finals in 5 categories

And lebron shared the load - teammates averaged nearly the same ppg, rebs, steals and blocks.. Jordan shared categories too but then he completely carried the primary category (scoring)

Finally, scoring is the primary category, and Kyrie's equal scoring attracted equal defensive attention, which made lebron's stats easier to get

Was the accomplishment great or not?

[Gohan]

No one is diminishing Kyrie's performance. But the fact remains is that LeBron led both teams in every major statistical category. No one has ever done that in NBA history. Even if you don't view that as being the greatest finals accomplishment, it is still an accomplishment worthy of praise.

I mean, the OP said it himself, "the 2016 finals wasn't that great." C'mon.
You misread homeboy I meant the year2016 I can care less about just the finals which he played spectacular in the last couple of games

[HoopsNY]

You misread homeboy I meant the year2016 I can care less about just the finals which he played spectacular in the last couple of games

Is it one of the greatest all-time seasons? Probably not. But he went 25/7/7 on 52%. All-Star, All-NBA 1st team, FMVP, and a chip where he led led both teams in every major statistical category.

In the playoffs he did 26/10/82/1 on 53%. He led all players in PER, OWS, WS, and VORP as well. What's not great about 2015-16 as a whole?

[3ball]

Was the accomplishment great or not?

No because if 2nd option Rik Smits outscored Shaq by 5 points in the 00' Finals, then Reggie Miller would've swept the Lakers

If 2nd option KJ outscored MJ by 5, Barkley sweeps in 93'..

This is the case anytime a 2nd option destroys the 1st option

So Lebron should've swept the warriors given kyrie's destruction of curry.. the only reason it went 7 was because lebron averaged 24 and 6 TO's thru 4

Then of course draymond got suspended

[And1AllDay]

i just leave this here

enjoy :cheers:

30 and over PER rating thru finals

2018 LBJ: 32.2
1991 MJ: 32.0
2014 LBJ: 31.1
2000 Shaq: 30.5
2012 LBJ: 30.3
2020 LBJ: 30.2
2017 LBJ: 30.1
1993 MJ: 30.1
2016 LBJ: 30.0

LBJ x6
MJ: x2
Shaq: x1

thats the full list. only happened 9 times and bran has 6 of them :oldlol:
legoat

Guys? Anyone?

[Gohan]

Guys? Anyone?

You’re lucky I’m too lazy to post the Stephen A “we don’t care” gif

[8Ball]

Guys? Anyone?

Yes I will take a bite.

GOAT playoff performer for his team.

[Axe]

Is it one of the greatest all-time seasons? Probably not. But he went 25/7/7 on 52%. All-Star, All-NBA 1st team, FMVP, and a chip where he led led both teams in every major statistical category.

In the playoffs he did 26/10/82/1 on 53%. He led all players in PER, OWS, WS, and VORP as well. What's not great about 2015-16 as a whole?
The greatest demonstration of the ucm

[3ball]

The greatest demonstration of the ucm

Will a team win more with a 1st team all-nba guy.....

Or a 1st team all-nba guy who is also scoring champ and dpoy candidate?

That's why lebron's longevity and all-nba seasons mean nothing

Lebron is just all-nba. . Nothing else... No scoring champ (lebron is #15 scorer)... No dpoy candidate (lebron has no all-defense in 7 years)

[Smoke117]

All this thread really does is show how great LeBron is...that what he was putting up in 2016 isn't impressive for him.

[Axe]

Will a team win more with a 1st team all-nba guy.....

Or a 1st team all-nba guy who is also scoring champ and dpoy candidate?

That's why lebron's longevity and all-nba seasons mean nothing

Lebron is just all-nba. . Nothing else... No scoring champ (lebron is #15 scorer)... No dpoy candidate (lebron has no all-defense in 7 years)
At least he's still undefeated in the first round of the playoffs. While i hate him for his decision to go with the lakers, you can't say he's already become an irrelevant player in the league.

[Vino24]

This thread literally confirms just how great 2016 was. 4 years later and this is still a hot topic with massive meltdowns

[And1AllDay]

This thread literally confirms just how great 2016 was. 4 years later and this is still a hot topic with massive meltdowns

i mean im just sayin

his 2016 playoff run was a 30.0 Per run thru finals

only happened 9 times in nba history

and bran got 6 of them :oldlol:

issa wrap

:dancin :dancin

[dankok8]

i mean im just sayin

his 2016 playoff run was a 30.0 Per run thru finals

only happened 9 times in nba history

and bran got 6 of them :oldlol:

issa wrap

:dancin :dancin

I feel bad to rain on your parade but Lebron's 2016 run didn't have 30+ PER. It's just under 30...

Anyways it was nice for Lebron to win this series but saying he beat a 73-win team to imply some special kind of achievement is kind of dishonest because Warriors didn't play anything like a 73-win team in those Finals nor the round before that. In fact one can easily make an argument that the series should have never gone seven games in the first place if Lebron put up the kind of performances he did in Game 5 and 6 in Game 1 and 2 instead.

[Vino24]

I feel bad to rain on your parade but Lebron's 2016 run didn't have 30+ PER. It's just under 30...

Anyways it was nice for Lebron to win this series but saying he beat a 73-win team to imply some special kind of achievement is kind of dishonest because Warriors didn't play anything like a 73-win team in those Finals nor the round before that. In fact one can easily make an argument that the series should have never gone seven games in the first place if Lebron put up the kind of performances he did in Game 5 and 6 in Game 1 and 2 instead.

They also had the unanimous mvp. Plus klove was hurt. Cavs were a worse team and you are ok with making excuses.

[And1AllDay]

I feel bad to rain on your parade but Lebron's 2016 run didn't have 30+ PER. It's just under 30...

Anyways it was nice for Lebron to win this series but saying he beat a 73-win team to imply some special kind of achievement is kind of dishonest because Warriors didn't play anything like a 73-win team in those Finals nor the round before that. In fact one can easily make an argument that the series should have never gone seven games in the first place if Lebron put up the kind of performances he did in Game 5 and 6 in Game 1 and 2 instead.

oh yeah? :oldlol:

hmmm I feel bad to rain on your parade but Lebron's 2016 run did have 30 PER

https://i.postimg.cc/MpS8ZnNy/legoat.png

keep

:dancin

up


:hammertime:

[dankok8]

oh yeah? :oldlol:

hmmm I feel bad to rain on your parade but Lebron's 2016 run did have 30 PER

https://i.postimg.cc/MpS8ZnNy/legoat.png

keep

:dancin

up


:hammertime:

Look at this list bud.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKbjfdZF/Lebron.png

Thanks...

[1987_Lakers]

The funny thing is PER was created to make MJ look like he was the best, but LeBron still has more 30 PER playoff runs than MJ.

[And1AllDay]

Look at this list bud.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKbjfdZF/Lebron.png

Thanks...

we'll take the .02 baby boi

thanks :oldlol:

6 for bran
2 for mike

keep up

:dancin

[Gohan]

If lebron went first I’m sure Jordan could break his records, please keep that in mind when you’re judging the two players please

[And1AllDay]

If lebron went first I’m sure Jordan could break his records, please keep that in mind when you’re judging the two players please

never

bran > mike

[HylianNightmare]

You didn't have to put 2016 in the title

[Axe]

If lebron went first I’m sure Jordan could break his records, please keep that in mind when you’re judging the two players please
They're still both better players than curry, dude.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If lebron went first I’m sure Jordan could break his records, please keep that in mind when you’re judging the two players please

Jordan went after Kareem. He failed to surpass him in career points.

[And1AllDay]

You didn't have to put 2016 in the title
16 bran > ALL mikes chips

:oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

yep in 2016 he only had a 30.0 per playoff run thru the finals. only 2 other players in nba history ever did this.

https://media.giphy.com/media/YXlRiVCucJuVwXQNhr/giphy.gif

not that great

:oldlol: op shoook 4 lyfe

[kawhileonard2]

Kawhi 2019 playoff run was better. Kawhi eliminated giannis/butler/curry the tougher path. Kawhi also didn't have a 25PPG scorer on his team like LeBron had. Raptors biggest shot of the year was Kawhi's game 7 buzzer beater and cavs biggest shot of the year was Irving game 7. So kawhi overall in 2019 was superior.

This! Also beat KD and Steph in the process while Lebron got swept by them.

[2much_knowledge]

Thats right. The best play he did in the finals was walking over a player to make him mad and get him suspended. Not even a basketball play. 2018 was a better run

[And1AllDay]

This! Also beat KD and Steph in the process while Lebron got swept by them.

30 per runs thru finals in nba history

bran = 7
entire rest of league = 3

:oldlol:

legoat