31.4 / 11.1 / 9.2 / 1.7 / 1.3 on 54% (brans last 4 finals)

[And1AllDay]

how?

31/11/9/2/1 on 54% in his last 4 finals

:oldlol:

w. T. F.



legoat

https://i.postimg.cc/QNPvvwR1/legoat_trophy.png

[FireDavidKahn]

The King.

[And1AllDay]

The King.

this just goes against logic

shits on logic, crazzzzzzzzy

[3ball]

.
Stats for Lebron's defensive assignment


17' and 18' Finals (KD)'... 32.3.... 9.3.. 6.3.. 55%
2020 Finals (Butler)........ 26.2.... 8.3.. 9.8.. 55%

Lebron last 4 Finals'........ 31.4.. 11.1.. 9.2.. 54%


^^^ so lebron's stats are cancelled out by his matchup



Stats for Lebron's Sidekick


16' and 17' Finals (Kyrie)... 28/4/4 on 47%
2020 Finals (Davis)........... 25/11/3 on 57%


^^^ lebron's stats are almost matched by sidekicks, so they attract equal defensive attention and make lebron's stats easier

[Run DLC]

KD is still greater. He CAN PULL UP FROM 30

[dankok8]

3ball makes a good point that the guys matched up with him also put up monster stats. Maybe those stats have a lot to do with ball domination and run and gun style of play since other lesser players can match them? A guy called Russell Westbrook who was never even close to the best player in the world averaged a triple double for three straight seasons. It's also worth noticing that two of those four finals series were blowout series losses where Lebron put a huge fraction of his stats in garbage time. In fact his two best finals out of the four were in losses. Food for thought...

Not saying Lebron isn't great obv... but pump the brakes!

[light]

how?

31/11/9/2/1 on 54% in his last 4 finals

:oldlol:

w. T. F.



legoat

https://i.postimg.cc/QNPvvwR1/legoat_trophy.png

Absolutely undeniably GOAT.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/83/d0/f483d04c4c167c3c4833bc0bb2f73d3e.jpg

[Axe]

LeUCM

[3ball]

.
Stats for Lebron's defensive assignment


17' and 18' Finals (KD)'... 32.3.... 9.3.. 6.3.. 55%
2020 Finals (Butler)........ 26.2.... 8.3.. 9.8.. 55%

Lebron last 4 Finals'........ 31.4.. 11.1.. 9.2.. 54%


^^^ so lebron's stats are cancelled out by his matchup



Stats for Lebron's Sidekick


16' and 17' Finals (Kyrie)... 28/4/4 on 47%
2020 Finals (Davis)........... 25/11/3 on 57%


^^^ lebron's stats are almost matched by sidekicks, so they attract equal defensive attention and make lebron's stats easier

Anyone

[Gray GOAT]

The King.

[SATAN]

3ball being disingenuous as usual.

[Manny98]

GOAT...

No one else comes close

[8Ball]

GOAT playoff performer.

[StrongLurk]

.
Stats for Lebron's defensive assignment


17' and 18' Finals (KD)'... 32.3.... 9.3.. 6.3.. 55%
2020 Finals (Butler)........ 26.2.... 8.3.. 9.8.. 55%

Lebron last 4 Finals'........ 31.4.. 11.1.. 9.2.. 54%


^^^ so lebron's stats are cancelled out by his matchup



Stats for Lebron's Sidekick


16' and 17' Finals (Kyrie)... 28/4/4 on 47%
2020 Finals (Davis)........... 25/11/3 on 57%


^^^ lebron's stats are almost matched by sidekicks, so they attract equal defensive attention and make lebron's stats easier

It's not surprising Peak KD on the WARRIORS was able to match Lebron in those to finals...but there is no excuse to let 2020 Jimmy Butler have one of the best finals of all time.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/9MqyB6KY/Plsnobran.jpg

letop1

[3ball]

* Post the percentage of team points scored (burden)

* Post the gap in ppg above 2nd option, aka was it a shared scoring load with sidekick or carry-job?


Waiting...

[1987_Lakers]

* Post the times MJ beat a 73 win team and led everyone in points, rebounds, assists, steals, & blocks in the process
* Post the times MJ led a horrific cast to the Finals like LeBron did in 2018
* Compare MJ & LeBron's Finals numbers from age 30-35

Waiting...

[3ball]

* Post the times MJ beat a 73 win team and led everyone in points, rebounds, assists, steals, & blocks in the process
* Post the times MJ led a horrific cast to the Finals like LeBron did in 2018
* Compare MJ & LeBron's Finals numbers from age 30-35

Waiting...

Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018, so that run doesn't compare to Iverson's carry-job in 01', or Dwight or Kidd's

And 30-35 year-old Jordan scored 35% of his team's points compared to 28% for lebron.. and Jordan scored 20 more than his sidekick (carry-job), while lebron had equal-scoring partners

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018, so that run doesn't compare to Iverson's carry-job in 01', or Dwight or Kidd's

You mean he got the Mj special? Have a better no.2 than everyone else, even the finals opponent?

[3ball]

You mean he got the Mj special? Have a better no.2 than everyone else, even the finals opponent?





Series that Lebron lost with the better #2:


2009 ECF (top 5 biggest favorite ever to lose playoff series)
2011 Finals
2014 Finals
2017 Finals (Kyrie 29.4 on 47%... Curry 26.8 on 44%)
2005 lottery (18/9 & 2.5 blocks for all-star Zydrunas = best 2nd option)


Series that MJ lost with the better #2:

none


Series that MJ won with the worse #2:

1988 1st Round
1989 1st Round (beat #1 SRS and a big 4)
1989 2nd Round (Pippen destroyed by 2nd thru 4th options of NY)

1992 2nd Round Pippen destroyed by X-man)
1993 1st Round (Pippen destroyed by Willis and Dominique)

1995 1st Round (Pippen destroyed by Larry Johnson)
1996 ECF (Pippen destroyed by Penny)
1996 2nd Round (Pippen outplayed by Oakley)
1996 Finals (Pippen destroyed by Kemp, Payton, Schrempf)
1997 1st Round (Pippen destroyed by Juwan Howard)
1998 ECF (Pippen destroyed by Smits)


Series that MJ won with the worse #3 and 4:

Nearly every series of career (lowest-scoring casts to win a Finals)

[And1AllDay]

* Post the percentage of team points scored (burden)

* Post the gap in ppg above 2nd option, aka was it a shared scoring load with sidekick or carry-job?


Waiting...

the PER burden advantage goes to bran


how many stars needed a 30 per run thru the finals

bran 6x
mike 2x
shaq 1x

once again bran had the bigger burden

:hammertime:
next

[3ball]

The PER burden advantage goes to bran





The gap between 11' Dirk and his 2nd option... versus the gap between MJ and Pip


PLAYOFFS


11' Dirk'........ 27.7 ppg.. 25.2 PER.. 5.5 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.210 WS/48
11' Terry....... 17.5 ppg.. 20.3 PER.. 4.6 BPM.. 1.1 VORP.. 0.179 WS/48
GAP............... 10.2...........4.9.............1.1.......... 0.5............ 0.031

93' Jordan... 35.1 ppg.. 30.1 PER.. 11.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.270 WS/48
93' Pippen... 20.1 ppg.. 16.9 PER.... 2.0 BPM.. 0.8 VORP.. 0.083 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0...........13.2............ 9.6........... 2.1............ 0.187

92' Jordan... 34.5 ppg.. 27.2 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.8 VORP.. 0.216 WS/48
92' Pippen... 19.5 ppg.. 20.1 PER.... 6.6 BPM.. 2.0 VORP.. 0.168 WS/48
GAP.............. 15.0.............7.1............ 3.3........... 0.8............ 0.048

91' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 32.0 PER.. 14.6 BPM.. 2.9 VORP.. 0.333 WS/48
91' Pippen... 21.6 ppg.. 22.0 PER.... 6.5 BPM.. 1.5 VORP.. 0.197 WS/48
GAP................. 9.5..........10.0............ 1.4........... 0.6............ 0.136

96' Jordan... 30.7 ppg.. 26.7 PER.. 10.7 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.317 WS/48
96' Pippen... 16.9 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 7.8 BPM.. 1.8 VORP.. 0.195 WS/48
GAP.............. 13.8.............7.3............ 2.9........... 0.6............ 0.122

97' Jordan... 31.1 ppg.. 27.1 PER.... 9.9 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.235 WS/48
97' Pippen... 19.2 ppg.. 18.1 PER.... 5.1 BPM.. 1.4 VORP.. 0.145 WS/48
GAP.............. 11.9.............9.1............ 4.8........... 1.0............ 0.090

98' Jordan... 32.4 ppg.. 28.1 PER.... 9.0 BPM.. 2.4 VORP.. 0.265 WS/48
98' Pippen... 16.8 ppg.. 19.4 PER.... 5.6 BPM.. 1.6 VORP.. 0.166 WS/48
GAP.............. 16.4.............8.7............ 3.4........... 0.8............ 0.095



Conclusion - Jordan had 6 carry-job rings that were far greater carry-jobs than 11' Dirk

[Vino24]

MJ was system dependent in order to achieve success meanwhile LeBron was the system

[3ball]

MJ was system dependent in order to achieve success meanwhile LeBron was the system

Jordan or his clone were required to win with the system - the triangle never won without them

And Jordan almost beat the Pistons in 89' despite rookie pippen getting 10 on 40%, so he wins the title with a better sidekick - no system required

[Vino24]

Jordan or his clone were required to win with the system - the triangle never won without them

And Jordan almost beat the Pistons in 89' despite rookie pippen getting 10 on 40%, so he wins the title with a better sidekick - no system required

He never won without a system. Meanwhile LeBron system bird feeds teammates with high percentage looks (aka winning basketball)

[3ball]

He never won without a system. Meanwhile LeBron system bird feeds teammates with high percentage looks (aka winning basketball)


Lebron's so-called peak:


PLAYOFFS


90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

90-93' Jordan... 2 MVP... 4 All-Defense... 3 rings... 15 more ppg than sidekick (carry-job)
16-20' Lebron... 0 MVP... 0 All-Defense... 2 rings..... 3 more ppg than sidekick (shared load)


CONCLUSION: Jordan dominated at a higher level (MVP and all-defense carry-jobs > no MVP and no defense shared loads)

[Vino24]

Lebron's so-called peak:


PLAYOFFS


90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

90-93' Jordan... 2 MVP... 4 All-Defense... 3 rings... 15 more ppg than sidekick (carry-job)
16-20' Lebron... 0 MVP... 0 All-Defense... 2 rings..... 3 more ppg than sidekick (shared load)


CONCLUSION: Jordan dominated at a higher level (MVP and all-defense carry-jobs > no MVP and no defense shared loads)

Who did MJ dominate? 10ppg Stockton? When you put context to MJ’s accomplishments they pale in comparison to LeBrons

[3ball]

He never won without a system. Meanwhile LeBron system bird feeds teammates with high percentage looks (aka winning basketball)

See my new thread coming very soon

[Axe]

See my new thread coming very soon
:lol

[aj1987]

Lebron's so-called peak:


PLAYOFFS


90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

90-93' Jordan... 2 MVP... 4 All-Defense... 3 rings... 15 more ppg than sidekick (carry-job)
16-20' Lebron... 0 MVP... 0 All-Defense... 2 rings..... 3 more ppg than sidekick (shared load)


CONCLUSION: Jordan dominated at a higher level (MVP and all-defense carry-jobs > no MVP and no defense shared loads)


Even then, an old ass LeBron equaled PEAK MJ's production. Let that sink in.

Funny how you left out LeBron's 10 RPG and 62.4% TS%, you autistic mouth breathing rodent.

[StrongLurk]

Lebron's so-called peak:


PLAYOFFS


90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

90-93' Jordan... 2 MVP... 4 All-Defense... 3 rings... 15 more ppg than sidekick (carry-job)
16-20' Lebron... 0 MVP... 0 All-Defense... 2 rings..... 3 more ppg than sidekick (shared load)


CONCLUSION: Jordan dominated at a higher level (MVP and all-defense carry-jobs > no MVP and no defense shared loads)

90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

And yet, 3ball has this Lebron fellow outside of the top 10 lol...not even factoring in Lebron's 4 MVPs and having 8 incredible finals performance.

[3ball]

90-93' Jordan... 12.2 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 11.0 VORP in 74 games.. 30.0 PER.. 34 and 7 apg
16-20' Lebron... 11.1 BPM... 0.271 ws/48... 10.8 VORP in 82 games.. 30.7 PER.. 30 and 8 apg

And yet, 3ball has this Lebron fellow outside of the top 10 lol...not even factoring in Lebron's 4 MVPs and having 8 incredible finals performance.

Lebron's stats were made easier by having equal-scoring teammates in 16', 17', and 20', who attracted equal defensive attention

Otoh, the Bulls had a 1-man scoring distribution - no one was anywhere near him, so he faced the most defensive attention since wilt.. only one-offs like 00' Shaq or 95' Hakeem compare to Jordan's 1-man standard

[red1]

LeIncredible


LeDurable

[StrongLurk]

Lebron's stats were made easier by having equal-scoring teammates in 16', 17', and 20', who attracted equal defensive attention

Otoh, the Bulls had a 1-man scoring distribution - no one was anywhere near him, so he faced the most defensive attention since wilt.. only one-offs like 00' Shaq or 95' Hakeem compare to Jordan's 1-man standard

You say his stats were made easier, and yet his best "stats" are from the 2018 playoff run in which he definitely did not have close to equal scoring.

00 Shaq and 95 Hakeem would not have beaten the 2018 Warriors either.

The thing is, if you are being consistent in your arguments, then Lebron would absolutely be a top 4-5 player ever based on your own arguments (all the ones you have ever made).

But you are an insecure little baby so your brain was literally broken by Lebron and you've incessantly let the internet know for a whole decade this fact.

[3ball]

You say his stats were made easier, and yet his best "stats" are from the 2018 playoff run in which he definitely did not have close to equal scoring.

00 Shaq and 95 Hakeem would not have beaten the 2018 Warriors either.

The thing is, if you are being consistent in your arguments, then Lebron would absolutely be a top 4-5 player ever based on your own arguments (all the ones you have ever made).

But you are an insecure little baby so your brain was literally broken by Lebron and you've incessantly let the internet know for a whole decade this fact.

My arguments don't apply to players that manufactured their resume and to a certain degree, stats as well

what was lebron before the "decision"?.... Answer - he was like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference

and otherwise completely embarrassed in 08', 09' and 10' - that's why he started colluding - it was to stop getting embarrassed..

Then Dirk gave lebron karma by doing what lebron couldn't - win with a 1-star, organic team...

Btw, lebron's inability to win organically is a skill deficit.. his ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby requiring ready-made stars to win (team-hopping)

Ultimately, his skill deficit turned the league into a talent-based winning league of AAU-style team-hopping..... thereby killing the superior organic chemistry/basketball of prior eras

[red1]

My arguments don't apply to players that manufactured their resume and to a certain degree, stats as well

what was lebron before the "decision"?.... Answer - he was like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference

and otherwise completely embarrassed in 08', 09' and 10' - that's why he started colluding - it was to stop getting embarrassed..

Then Dirk gave lebron karma by doing what lebron couldn't - win with a 1-star, organic team... Lolololol

Btw, lebron's inability to win organically is a skill deficit.. his ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby requiring ready-made stars to win (team-hopping)

Lebron had 60-win, 1 seeds after adding all-star caliber players

His resume is artificial so I can downgrade him more - he turned the league into a talent-based winning league of AAU-style team-hopping..... thereby killing the opponents

copying and reposting his same shitty arguments everywhere :oldlol:

[3ball]

copying and reposting his same shitty arguments everywhere :oldlol:

That post specifically answered Stronglurk's claim of a double standard

[red1]

That post specifically answered Stronglurk's claim of a double standard

your arguments are ridiculous. the reason why you always lose is because you are dishonest and cant admit that basketball is a team sport.


according to the logic of your own arguments jordan didn't do anything impressive in the league because he only ever beat up on teams with less talent, and only ever won with his one great bulls cast.


jordan's teams won 55 games without him. that's the definition of a great supporting cast. they made the second round WITHOUT him and nearly won the series.


meanwhile you try to criticize lebron for losing in '09 and '10 with mo williams as his running mate - remember when you argued that scottie pippen is more talented than mo williams?


again, that dishonesty is why you always lose.

[And1AllDay]

LeIncredible


LeDurable


lelandslide victory

:hammertime:

[StrongLurk]

your arguments are ridiculous. the reason why you always lose is because you are dishonest and cant admit that basketball is a team sport.


according to the logic of your own arguments jordan didn't do anything impressive in the league because he only ever beat up on teams with less talent, and only ever won with his one great bulls cast.


jordan's teams won 55 games without him. that's the definition of a great supporting cast. they made the second round WITHOUT him and nearly won the series.


meanwhile you try to criticize lebron for losing in '09 and '10 with mo williams as his running mate - remember when you argued that scottie pippen is more talented than mo williams?


again, that dishonesty is why you always lose.

Bingo.

He also makes EVERY argument possible...so inevitably he contradicts himself.

Again, by his total standard criteria, he would have Lebron at worse 5th all time.

Dude doesn't even try to hide his irrationality, evidenced by him always ranking Lebron as "11th all time".

[dankok8]

3ball is biased against Lebron and makes some very obscure arguments but a lot of what he says is valid too like Lebron having a lot more offensive help that MJ. That isn't exactly debatable to anyone reasonable.

[3ball]

your arguments are ridiculous. the reason why you always lose is because you are dishonest and cant admit that basketball is a team sport.




I state facts


what was lebron before the "decision"?.... Answer - he was like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 35% against Boston in 2008.... Then he was one of the biggest favorites ever to lose in 09'... and he quit and lost as the favorite again in 10'..

So he couldn't get it done from 08-10' as the favorite, and therefore started colluding..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous

[StrongLurk]

I state facts: I'm a mentally ill MJ dick sucker who spends most of his life thinking about Lebron

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[aj1987]

I state retarded opinions

Agreed.


what was lebron before the "decision"?.... Answer - he was like Iverson, Dwight or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 35% against Boston in 2008.... Then he was one of the biggest favorites ever to lose in 09'... and he quit and lost as the favorite again in 10'..

So he couldn't get it done from 08-10' as the favorite, and therefore started colluding..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous


what was jordan before the arrival of "pippen"?.... Answer - he was like stackhouse, walker or crawford a mindless cancerous chucked who never had a winning season and was getting eviscerated in the first rounds..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 40% against sonics in 1996 while stealing the fmvp.... he also was a 0-6 vs bird, while always losing the head 2 head.. not to mention he needed pippen to just get out of the first round

So he couldn't get it done without pippen and therefore he's eliminated from the goat discussion..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous

[Axe]

Don't be so hard on yourself.
:(

[3ball]

Agreed.



what was jordan before the arrival of "pippen"?.... Answer - he was like stackhouse, walker or crawford a mindless cancerous chucked who never had a winning season and was getting eviscerated in the first rounds..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 40% against sonics in 1996 while stealing the fmvp.... he also was a 0-6 vs bird, while always losing the head 2 head.. not to mention he needed pippen to just get out of the first round

So he couldn't get it done without pippen and therefore he's eliminated from the goat discussion..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous
Lebron needed an extra star (2 stars) or a top 3 player teammate, whereas pippen averaged 8 ppg in 1988

and MJ only lost with 8 seeds for 3 years

Lebron loses with 1 and 2 seeds for 6 years

[SATAN]

Orlando

[aj1987]

jordan needed an extra star (2 stars) or a top 3 player teammate, whereas lebrons teams were all time bad from '04-'10

and MJ never got out of the 1st round or had a winning record without pipen

jordan loses in the first round for 3 straight seasons

Damn! Agreed! :cheers:

[3ball]

Damn! Agreed! :cheers:

Mine was factual

Yours is immature fabrications

Lebron's 04-10' teams > 01' Iverson... 03' Kidd...09' Dwight

So a good team wasn't needed to win the 00's East...

And lebron needs 2 star teammates or a top 3 player teammate to win..

Teammates lead lebron in scoring (Wade, AD, Kyrie)

[Axe]

So a good team wasn't needed to win the 00's East...
Interesting. The wizards weren't a good team in '02 & '03 but why do you think they didn't even make the playoffs during those years? Otoh, the '00 trailblazers with pippen had 59 wins and were a western finalist.

[3ball]

Interesting. The wizards weren't a good team in '02 & '03 but why do you think they didn't even make the playoffs during those years? Otoh, the '00 trailblazers with pippen had 59 wins and were a western finalist.
Lebron missed the playoffs in 04' and 05'

At least was dragging an 18 win team to 37 wins

More improvement than lebron did with miami in 11' or the 04' Cavs

[SATAN]

He's melting gown guys

[TheCorporation]

Agreed.



what was jordan before the arrival of "pippen"?.... Answer - he was like stackhouse, walker or crawford a mindless cancerous chucked who never had a winning season and was getting eviscerated in the first rounds..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 40% against sonics in 1996 while stealing the fmvp.... he also was a 0-6 vs bird, while always losing the head 2 head.. not to mention he needed pippen to just get out of the first round

So he couldn't get it done without pippen and therefore he's eliminated from the goat discussion..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous

Wow. The Final blow.

RIP 3ball, you had a good run:

1991-2016

[Axe]

Lebron missed the playoffs in 04' and 05'

At least was dragging an 18 win team to 37 wins

More improvement than lebron did with miami in 11' or the 04' Cavs
That's it? So this shows that he never turned another team into a playoff contender at all after his tenure with the bulls.

Also each time bran has left his former teams, they lost by at least 15 games or more in the succeeding season. Talk about impact.

[3ball]

That's it? So this shows that he never turned another team into a playoff contender at all after his tenure with the bulls.

Also each time bran has left his former teams, they lost by at least 15 games or more in the succeeding season. Talk about impact.

40-year Wizard MJ did the same as rookie lebron - both led 19-win teams to nearly 40 wins

And that's always been my point about lebron - lebron NEVER dragged an 18-win team to the playoffs - his 18-win team took several years to improve to 50 wins before making the playoffs - lebron was lucky to have high seeds every year in the playoffs.. he never had a bad 30-something win team in the playoffs like mj

[8Ball]

Agreed.



what was jordan before the arrival of "pippen"?.... Answer - he was like stackhouse, walker or crawford a mindless cancerous chucked who never had a winning season and was getting eviscerated in the first rounds..

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 40% against sonics in 1996 while stealing the fmvp.... he also was a 0-6 vs bird, while always losing the head 2 head.. not to mention he needed pippen to just get out of the first round

So he couldn't get it done without pippen and therefore he's eliminated from the goat discussion..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous

Quoted for Truth.

[3ball]

Quoted for Truth.

Lebron needed 2 star teammates to win, or AD

^^^^ that's more than pippen (only 1 star, and less than AD)

[3ball]

.
people say that lebron "made everyone better" because his teammates didn't win before joining him, but what was lebron before he joined star teammates? What was Lebron before the "decision"?

He was the same as Iverson, Dwight or Kidd with 1 Finals run in a weak conference.. So he was nothing and needed 2 star teammates to do anything, or a teammate to outscore him and lead most statistical categories (AD).

^^^ that isn't "ridiculous"... That's a fact

and he averaged 26 on 35% against Boston in 2008.... Then he was one of the biggest favorites ever to lose in 09'... and he quit and lost as the favorite again in 10'..

So he couldn't get it done from 08-10' as the favorite, and therefore started colluding..

Again.. facts.. not ridiculous

[TheCorporation]

So many meltdowns
So little time

[aj1987]

Mine was immature fabrications

Yours is factual

Lebron's '04-10' teams <<<< jordan '86-'90 teams

So a jordan couldn't even come close to winning the '00's east...

And jordan needs a star teammate or a top 3 player teammate to get past the first round..

Teammates lead jordan in assists and rebounds (too many to list)


Damn! Great post again!

[3ball]

Damn! Great post again!

Jordan's 85-89' teams had zero accolades

Lebron's 04-10 teams had 2-time all-star Zydrunas... 2-time all-star Jamison... all-star Mo Williams... all-defense Varejao.... all-defense Hughes (22/5/5)... coach of the year Brown.

Ultimately, Lebron needed 2 star teammates to win, or a teammate to outscore him (AD)

Whereas Jordan only had 1 star teammate and he scored 10-40 more than every teammate in every series of his career

[Vino24]

Jordan's 85-89' teams had zero accolades

Lebron's 04-10 teams had 2-time all-star Zydrunas... 2-time all-star Jamison... all-star Mo Williams... all-defense Varejao.... all-defense Hughes (22/5/5)... coach of the year Brown.

Ultimately, Lebron needed 2 star teammates to win, or a teammate to outscore him (AD)

Whereas Jordan only had 1 star teammate and he scored 10-40 more than every teammate in every series of his career
MJ needed 3 all nba defenders just to get out of the 1st round

[aj1987]

ordan is 1-9 without pippen. missed the po's twice as well

Great post, kid.

[riggyrich]

Jordan's 85-89' teams had zero accolades

Lebron's 04-10 teams had 2-time all-star Zydrunas... 2-time all-star Jamison... all-star Mo Williams... all-defense Varejao.... all-defense Hughes (22/5/5)... coach of the year Brown.

Ultimately, Lebron needed 2 star teammates to win, or a teammate to outscore him (AD)

Whereas Jordan only had 1 star teammate and he scored 10-40 more than every teammate in every series of his career

Do you have a job man lol?

[Shooter]

how?

31/11/9/2/1 on 54% in his last 4 finals

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w. T. F.



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GOAT

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