The rebuttal to the "2018 Playoffs" argument (reference purposes)

[3ball]

Lillard's Blazers would be the best team in the 18' East, so who cares about carry-jobs against weak teams?

Lebron never beat a Finals team or any top 5 SRS team (good team) with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team..

Otoh, MJ beat 5 good teams (including 2 Finals) with 15-16 ppg and 40% from Pippen.. So only MJ had carry-jobs against good teams

[8Ball]

2018 LeBron PER > any of Jordan's playoff PER.

32.2 > Any playoff PER Jordan.

2009 playoffs 37.4 PER > Anything Jordan could have ever done statistically.


LeBron's peak > Jordan's peak.
LeBron's longevity > Jordan's longevity.

[3ball]

Ultimately, the garbage 1-star teams that routinely won the 00's East could never win the 80's East (01' Sixers, 02' Nets, 03' Nets, 07' Cavs, 09' Magic)

a super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East... heck, prime Jordan/Pippen would NOT have won the 80's East until 89' (dantley too much for pip)

[3ball]

2018 LeBron PER > any of Jordan's playoff PER.

32.2 > Any playoff PER Jordan.

2009 playoffs 37.4 PER > Anything Jordan could have ever done statistically.


LeBron's peak > Jordan's peak.
LeBron's longevity > Jordan's longevity.

Lebron was using the westbrook style of stat accumulation

And he lost via record upset (09') or record margin (18')

So he loses every way possible... an EXPERT loser

but given his westbrook brand, why was anyone surprised lol

[8Ball]

Jordan only had 3 playoff PER runs over 30 in entire career (minimum 2nd round)

LeBron has 7 playoff PER runs over 30 in entire career.

[8Ball]

Lebron was using the westbrook style of stat accumulation

And he lost

Why was anyone surprised lol

Ball hog Jordan Ball got swept 3 years in a row (1 was a gentlemen sweep) in the 1st round. Stat accumulation losing style.

[3ball]

Ball hog Jordan Ball got swept 3 years in a row (1 was a gentlemen sweep) in the 1st round. Stat accumulation losing style.

He lost as a rookie 8 seed to the champs

Whooptiwhoop

Is that all you got?

Lebron loses with championship teams and 1 seeds like it's his job

[8Ball]

Ultimately, the garbage 1-star teams that routinely won the 00's East could never win the 80's East (01' Sixers, 02' Nets, 03' Nets, 07' Cavs, 09' Magic)

a super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East... heck, prime Jordan/Pippen would NOT have won the 80's East until 89' (dantley too much for pip)

Ultimately LeBron has 7 playoff runs with 30 PER.

Jordan only has 3 playoff runs with 30 PER.

Jordan's highest PER playoff run was 32.2
LeBron's highest PER playoff run was 37.4

Jordan's 2nd highest PER playoff run was 31.7
LeBron's 2nd highest PER playoff run was 32.2

Jordan's 3rd highest PER playoff run was 30.1
LeBron's 3rd highest PER playoff run was 31.1

Need us go more?

Peak LeBron > Peak Jordan in playoffs. 100% myth that Jordan had higher peak than LeBron.


(reference purposes)

[8Ball]

Lebron was using the westbrook style of stat accumulation

And he lost via record upset (09') or record margin (18')

So he loses every way possible... an EXPERT loser

but given his westbrook brand, why was anyone surprised lol

Jordan style stat accumulation 1st round losses (stat accumulation in losing efforts):

85: 29ppg
86: 43ppg
87: 36ppg

All first round losses SWEEPS. Jordan knows all too well about 3ball stat accumulation losses.

(reference purposes)

[3ball]

Jordan style stat accumulation 1st round losses (stat accumulation in losing efforts):

85: 29ppg
86: 43ppg
87: 36ppg

All first round losses SWEEPS. Jordan knows all too well about 3ball stat accumulation losses.

(reference purposes)

Jordan had 8 seeds

Lebron loses with 1 and 2 seeds more than Jordan lost with 8 seeds

(sounds threadworthy, but I'll wait.. )

[8Ball]

Jordan had 8 seeds

Lebron loses with 1 and 2 seeds more than Jordan lost with 8 seeds

(sounds threadworthy, but I'll wait.. )

Stat accumulation basketball only gets you the 8 seed.

Why is anyone surprised he was the 8 seed? Nobody is.

[8Ball]

This entire thread will serve as reference purposes for future Jordan vs LeBron playoff stats.

[3ball]

Stat accumulation basketball only gets you the 8 seed.

Why is anyone surprised he was the 8 seed? Nobody is.

Lebron was in his athletic prime when he got the 9 seed in 04', 05' and 19' (missed playoffs)

He actually missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in 05' and Brandon Ingram in 19'

[SouBeachTalents]

'90 Jordan, '18 LeBron & '77 Kareem are arguably their best playoff runs, a big reason rangz get so overrated

[3ball]

'90 Jordan, '18 LeBron & '77 Kareem are arguably their best playoff runs, a big reason rangz get so overrated

Jordan nearly beat the champs, while lebron was beaten by record amount..

ditto jordan in 89', which was a bigger carry-job throughout playoffs

And look at 86'... jordan's 30-win, 8 seed didn't lose as badly as lebron's high seed in 18' (both faced goat teams)

[ArbitraryWater]

thats a very strong rebuttal

very well thought out and thought provoking

[dankok8]

Here's a simple rebuttal for the 2018 playoffs. He got swept in the Finals and failed to outplay his direct rival Kevin Durant. That immediately disqualifies it from being one of the greatest runs ever. No one cares about the numbers you put up on a bunch of nobodies in the Eastern Conference.

[3ball]

thats a very strong rebuttal

very well thought out and thought provoking
Lebron's sidekicks always played great when he beat good teams

So he has zero carry-jobs against good teams (top 5 SRS or Finals team)..

in 18 years!!!!!!!!!!!

Lebron never beat a good team with weak-performing talent, because he lacks sufficient brand

[3ball]

LeBron went to the Finals in 2007 with far less help than Jordan did.




The garbage 1-star teams that routinely won the 00's East could never win the 80's East (01' Sixers, 02' Nets, 03' Nets, 07' Cavs, 09' Magic)

a super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East... heck, prime Jordan/Pippen would NOT have won the 80's East until 89'.






LeBron went to the Finals in 2007 with far less help than Jordan did.




Those Cavs were a 50-win, 2 seed that beat a 53-win, 1 seed... (#7 SRS beat a #6 SRS)..

so it was hardly an upset or a good opponent, and therefore - who cares about carry-jobs against weak teams?...

Lebron never beat a Finals team or any top 5 SRS team (good team) with poor scoring and efficiency from a sidekick, so he never had a carry-job against a good team.. Otoh, MJ beat 5 good teams (including 2 Finals) with 15-16 ppg and 40% from Pippen.






In fact, with the 2007 Cavs as a team and Mike Brown as head coach Jordan would not have even made the playoffs.



Combo guard Hughes was great alongside an elite shooting off-guard like Arenas.

Unfortunately, Lebron lacks an elite shooting, off-ball skillset, so he reduced Hughes from Pippen-level (22/5/5 and 1st team defense), to rubble..

So those Cavs had a good roster because they had a pippen-like wing, a 2-time all-star center, another all-defender (varejao), a top 5 defense, and among best 3-point shooting in the league..

[8Ball]

Lebron was in his athletic prime when he got the 9 seed in 04', 05' and 19' (missed playoffs)

He actually missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in 05' and Brandon Ingram in 19'

LeBron age at start of 2003-2004 18
LeBron age at start of 2004-2005 19

Jordan at 18 = 13.5 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)
Jordan at 19 = 20 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)

Jordan out of high school would not even get drafted by the WNBA. High School LeBron > Jordan College.

LeBron at 18 and 19 > Jordan at 18 and 19.

(reference purposes)

[3ball]

LeBron age at start of 2003-2004 18
LeBron age at start of 2004-2005 19

Jordan at 18 = 13.5 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)
Jordan at 19 = 20 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)

Jordan out of high school would not even get drafted by the WNBA. High School LeBron > Jordan College.

LeBron at 18 and 19 > Jordan at 18 and 19.

(reference purposes)

The first time Roy Williams saw MJ, he said MJ was the best high school player he'd ever seen

So if youtube existed in 1980, everyone would know Jordan was the goat, not just Roy Williams

Similarly, Bobby Knight said Jordan was the best player ever before he ever played in the NBA..

Btw, lebron's entire longevity argument relies on a rule advantage that he had - it was legal to go from high school to the NBA... MJ was a McDonald's all-american too, and would've done the same thing if he was allowed and if youtube existed

[8Ball]

The first time Roy Williams saw MJ, he said MJ was the best high school player he'd ever seen

So if youtube existed in 1980, everyone would know Jordan was the goat, not just Roy Williams

Similarly, Bobby Knight said Jordan was the best player ever before he ever played in the NBA..

Btw, lebron's entire longevity argument relies on a rule advantage that he had - it was legal to go from high school to the NBA... MJ was a McDonald's all-american too, and would've done the same thing if he was allowed and if youtube existed

100% Bullshit wrong again. Youtube founded 2005. LeBron high school was before the youtube era.

Awww poor Jordan wasn't good enough in high school. Wasn't good enough in college either to be picked #1 after year 1, 2 and 3. Wasn't picked #1 because Jordan performed poorly in college vs a High School LeBron.

LeBron = GOAT high school player, number 1 overall pick the NBA
Jordan = College bench warmer, had to play 3 years to get drafted in the NBA

LeBron age at start of 2003-2004 18
LeBron age at start of 2004-2005 19

Jordan at 18 = 13.5 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)
Jordan at 19 = 20 ppg in college (not NBA worthy)

Jordan out of high school would not even get drafted by the WNBA. High School LeBron > Jordan College.

LeBron at 18 and 19 > Jordan at 18 and 19.

(reference purposes)

[8Ball]

Jordan college stats (ages 18/19/20)

Year 1 13.5ppg
Year 2 20 ppg
Year 3 20 ppg

ALL vs white college competition.

LeBron NBA stats (ages 18/19/20)

Year 1 20ppg
Year 2 27ppg
Year 3 31.4 ppg

Vs NBA level talent

LeBron >>>> Jordan ages 18-20 by a landslide. Another point to LeBron Peak + Longevity over Jordan.

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[3ball]

100% Bullshit wrong again. Youtube founded 2005. LeBron high school was before the youtube era.




Doesn't matter... The scouting capability was far superior and covered every hood by the late 90's

0% chance that Jordan isn't a household name and jump from McDonald's all-american to NBA (he was already McDonald's all-american)

[8Ball]

LeBron and Jordan existed BEFORE the youtube era.

High School LeBron >>>> High School + College Jordan before youtube era.

Eye test showed that LeBron >>>> Jordan from 14-18 AND 18-20.

LeBron was a #1 pick for the NBA with high school games in AKRON.

[3ball]

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Eye test showed that LeBron >>>> Jordan from 14-18 AND 18-20.




Are you kidding me

Lebron can't shoot

Weak jumpshooting skill.. he actually avoids contested jumpers/no pure scoring ability so I have no respect for his game..

Of course he clanks FT's and is a turnover machine

His weak jumpshooting and skill restriction to ball-dominance doesn't fit with other spotty-shooting ball-handlers, which puts a ceiling on chemistry and the team (4/10 and worst championship record of modern era)

[And1AllDay]

2018 LeBron PER > any of Jordan's playoff PER.

32.2 > Any playoff PER Jordan.

2009 playoffs 37.4 PER > Anything Jordan could have ever done statistically.


LeBron's peak > Jordan's peak.
LeBron's longevity > Jordan's longevity.
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[And1AllDay]

Lebron was using the westbrook style of stat accumulation

And he lost via record upset (09') or record margin (18')

So he loses every way possible... an EXPERT loser

but given his westbrook brand, why was anyone surprised lol

show us all the Westbrook 30 PER in playoffs :oldlol:

(he has zero)

next

[And1AllDay]

Jordan style stat accumulation 1st round losses (stat accumulation in losing efforts):

85: 29ppg
86: 43ppg
87: 36ppg

All first round losses SWEEPS. Jordan knows all too well about 3ball stat accumulation losses.

(reference purposes)

Issssssa

Bloood baaaaath
Rip op

[And1AllDay]

'90 Jordan, '18 LeBron & '77 Kareem are arguably their best playoff runs, a big reason rangz get so overrated

2018 playoff bran

only player in nba hx to score +30 ppgz on +50% fg for every playoff series

issa wrap again

:hammertime: :lebronamazed:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lmao Jordan getting burried itt

[StrongLurk]

Did anyone see a rebuttal from OP? I missed it.

I remember Lebron had two game-winning buzzer beaters in the 2018 playoff run.

I'm glad MJ's prime didn't come in the 2010's, he'd just be another Jerry Stackhouse chucker.

[aj1987]

Here's a simple rebuttal for the 2018 playoffs. He got swept in the Finals and failed to outplay his direct rival Kevin Durant. That immediately disqualifies it from being one of the greatest runs ever. No one cares about the numbers you put up on a bunch of nobodies in the Eastern Conference.

Are you autistic or just a straight up troll? KD outplayed LeBron in the '18 Finals? By what metric?

[Shooter]

2018 playoff bran

only player in nba hx to score +30 ppgz on +50% fg for every playoff series

issa wrap again

:hammertime: :lebronamazed:

Ouch :lol

Wrap it up

[Vino24]

Op getting dismantled for reference purposes

[8Ball]

Op getting dismantled for reference purposes

I bookmarked this thread for reference purposes.

Will re-use these arguments to smash 3bot next time he copy pastes new threads.

[dankok8]

Are you autistic or just a straight up troll? KD outplayed LeBron in the '18 Finals? By what metric?

Read carefully.

I didn't say KD outplayed him. I said Lebron failed to outplay KD. KD was better in Game 3 and 4.

[3ball]

Jordan college stats (ages 18/19/20)

Year 1 13.5ppg
Year 2 20 ppg
Year 3 20 ppg

ALL vs white college competition.

LeBron NBA stats (ages 18/19/20)

Year 1 20ppg
Year 2 27ppg
Year 3 31.4 ppg

Vs NBA level talent

LeBron >>>> Jordan ages 18-20 by a landslide. Another point to LeBron Peak + Longevity over Jordan.

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The nba allows for greater stats for top talents

This is well-known

Everyone exceeded their college stats in the league

So your post is worthless.. on to the next troll