Giannis = 10' Lebron.. his skillset will force him to seek talent-based winning

[3ball]

aka team-hopping

If a #1 option wing player lacks elite jumpshooting skill and an off-ball skillset, they cannot use sophisticated offenses that move the ball (best brand of ball) and therefore must seek team-hop (talent-based winning)

goat doh... :rolleyes:... goat must mean "can't play" (can't shoot or move the ball/use best strategy, therefore needing talent-based winning/team-hopping)

[Bankaii]

The 2020 Bucks are miles better than anything lebron had pre-Miami.
Giannis has plenty of help it’s not similar at all. Gtfoh.

[BigKobeFan]

peak hughes, peak jamison, peak big z

bran's style just doesn't mesh with good players. He needs the ball and makes people jump shooters

[StrongLurk]

1-9

[dankok8]

I can see Giannis joining the Warriors and winning a couple of titles for sure.

[Bankaii]

peak hughes, peak jamison, peak big z

bran's style just doesn't mesh with good players. He needs the ball and makes people jump shooters
Hughes was never even an all star lmao.
33 year old Jamison for half a season = peak.
Big Z was the best player lebron played with, and that was his first 1-2 years in the league.

Whose clown ass alt is this?

[Wally450]

Another Lebron thread by OP. Keep it up champ.

[Bronbron23]

aka team-hopping

If a #1 option wing player lacks elite jumpshooting skill and an off-ball skillset, they cannot use sophisticated offenses that move the ball (best brand of ball) and therefore must seek team-hop (talent-based winning)

goat doh... :rolleyes:... goat must mean "can't play" (can't shoot or move the ball/use best strategy, therefore needing talent-based winning/team-hopping)

10' lebron was a much better player than greek right now and i like greek but he needs more versatility in his game.

[G0ATbe]

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[TheGoatest]

1984-1987 Jordan = James Harden/Tracy McGrady
He needed Pippen-based winning.

[SouBeachTalents]

1984-1987 Jordan = James Harden/Tracy McGrady
He needed Pippen-based winning.
Even Harden managed to make it out of the first round

[tpols]

The 2020 Bucks are miles better than anything lebron had pre-Miami.
Giannis has plenty of help it’s not similar at all. Gtfoh.

Giannis's team has won a (scaled... being nice) 62 games this year and 60 games last year.

Lebron's last two Cleveland teams won 61 and 66 games.

It's revisionist history that Lebron's teams sucked. They were favorites both times they lost.

[SATAN]

The 2020 Bucks are miles better than anything lebron had pre-Miami.
Giannis has plenty of help it’s not similar at all. Gtfoh.

This.

And 1-9.

[light]

aka team-hopping

If a #1 option wing player lacks elite jumpshooting skill and an off-ball skillset, they cannot use sophisticated offenses that move the ball (best brand of ball) and therefore must seek team-hop (talent-based winning)

goat doh... :rolleyes:... goat must mean "can't play" (can't shoot or move the ball/use best strategy, therefore needing talent-based winning/team-hopping)

It's not even about team hopping.

Moving teams only happens if your GM cannot do a good job of managing the team you're on. Otherwise, obviously, you'd stay.

Some players are fortunate to be drafted by hall of fame level GMs. Others are unfortunate in that they're drafted by forgettable names or names long forgotten.

If you're really proactive and confident in your scouting and GM skills you may take matters into your own hands and do it yourself.

[RRR3]

Giannis's team has won a (scaled... being nice) 62 games this year and 60 games last year.

Lebron's last two Cleveland teams won 61 and 66 games.

It's revisionist history that Lebron's teams sucked. They were favorites both times they lost.
All you’re doing is proving LeBron won more games with scrubs than Giannis did with a good supporting cast :lol


Ttrolls at it once again.

[MadDog]

All you’re doing is proving LeBron won more games with scrubs than Giannis did with a good supporting cast :lol


Ttrolls at it once again.

So when Lebron loses its not his fault, but when he wins it was ALL his doing. :oldlol: Great logic there, chief. I'm totally convinced.

[3ball]

All you’re doing is proving LeBron won more games with scrubs than Giannis did with a good supporting cast :lol


Ttrolls at it once again.

What good teammates did Iverson, Kidd, and Dwight have when they won the East?.. Were they better than 22/9 Jamison (2-time all-star), Mo Williams (1-time), Zydrunas (2-time ), along with all-defense Varejao and role players Shaq/Delonte/Hickson/Parker???

1-star teams were routinely winning that conference... yet lebron failed as a giannis-like favorite in 09' and 10', so he started team-hopping

And if a guy can't play the "shooter" role off-ball, then he can't have a sophisticated ball movement offense - teams with 1 guy dominating the ball can't run sophisticated offenses... Lebron avoids this flaw by simply having elite 1st options as his 2nd and 3rd options (excessive offensive talent to offset the weak brand).

again, it's a SKILL deficit... lebron's ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping).

Ultimately, MJ would play the "curry" role in today's game .. or the "dirk" role, or "duncan" role.... His skillset allowed the kinds of brands that they ran, and lebron has a lottery record against these brands/teams (Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)

[3ball]

what good teammates did iverson, kidd, and dwight have when they won the east?.. Were they better than 22/9 jamison (2-time all-star), mo williams (1-time), zydrunas (2-time ), along with all-defense varejao and role players shaq/delonte/hickson/parker???

1-star teams were routinely winning that conference... Yet lebron failed as a giannis-like favorite in 09' and 10', so he started team-hopping

and if a guy can't play the "shooter" role off-ball, then he can't have a sophisticated ball movement offense - teams with 1 guy dominating the ball can't run sophisticated offenses... Lebron avoids this flaw by simply having elite 1st options as his 2nd and 3rd options (excessive offensive talent to offset the weak brand).

Again, it's a skill deficit... Lebron's ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping).

Ultimately, mj would play the "curry" role in today's game .. Or the "dirk" role, or "duncan" role.... His skillset allowed the kinds of brands that they ran, and lebron has a lottery record against these brands/teams (mavs, spurs, warriors)




apb RRR3

[3ball]

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What good teammates did Iverson, Kidd, and Dwight have when they won the East?.. Were they better than 22/9 Jamison (2-time all-star), Mo Williams (1-time), Zydrunas (2-time), along with all-defense Varejao and role players Shaq/Delonte/Hickson/Parker???

1-star teams were routinely winning that conference... yet lebron failed as a giannis-like favorite in 09' and 10', so he started team-hopping

And if a guy can't play the "shooter" role off-ball, then he can't have a sophisticated ball movement offense - teams with 1 guy dominating the ball can't run sophisticated offenses... Lebron avoids this flaw by simply having elite 1st options as his 2nd and 3rd options (excessive offensive talent to offset the weak brand).. this is what Giannis needs.

again, it's a SKILL deficit... lebron's ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping).

Ultimately, MJ would play the "curry" role in today's game .. or the "dirk" role, or "duncan" role.... His skillset allowed the kinds of brands that they ran, and lebron has a lottery record against these brands/teams (Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)

[Smoke117]

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Thread Cliffs


What good teammates did Iverson, Kidd, and Dwight have when they won the East?.. Were they better than 22/9 Jamison (2-time all-star), Mo Williams (1-time), Zydrunas (2-time), along with all-defense Varejao and role players Shaq/Delonte/Hickson/Parker???

1-star teams were routinely winning that conference... yet lebron failed as a giannis-like favorite in 09' and 10', so he started team-hopping

And if a guy can't play the "shooter" role off-ball, then he can't have a sophisticated ball movement offense - teams with 1 guy dominating the ball can't run sophisticated offenses... Lebron avoids this flaw by simply having elite 1st options as his 2nd and 3rd options (excessive offensive talent to offset the weak brand).

again, it's a SKILL deficit... lebron's ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (team-hopping).

Ultimately, MJ would play the "curry" role in today's game .. or the "dirk" role, or "duncan" role.... His skillset allowed the kinds of brands that they ran, and lebron has a lottery record against these brands/teams (Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)

Hm...good points...let me just add...

1-9

[Manny98]

Iverson literally had the DPOY Dkembe Mutumbo by his side

Kidd had Kenyon,RJ,Kittles

Dwight had Rashard Lewis

All of those players are easily better than any of LeBrons teammates pre Miami.

[3ball]

Iverson literally had the DPOY Dkembe Mutumbo by his side

Kidd had Kenyon,RJ,Kittles

Dwight had Rashard Lewis

All of those players are easily better than any of LeBrons teammates pre Miami.

Nonsense

They're the same or worse, with worse accolades

[3ball]

Hm...good points...let me just add...

1-9

Basically all teams made the playoffs in the 80's... So Jordan's 30-win teams made the playoffs, while lebron's missed

Lebron didn't make the playoffs until he had a good team, while MJ was forced to lead bad teams (low seeds)

[StrongLurk]

I must confess...

this was originally a troll thread masked in truth, for the purpose of taking down Kareem, who people were calling the goat at the time on ISH

It basically backfired because even though I understand the "birdfed" narrative purported itt, my actual stance is the opposite.. guys who finish possessions control the game the most..

lebron and magic need these great iso scorers that can finish possessions like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, Worthy or AD - elite 1st option juggernaut scorers... lebron/magic need guys to FINISH possessions.. I made a thread about their need.

Otoh, Jordan was the finisher for the Bulls - he was the juggernaut scorer and also the leading assist guy.

[TheCorporation]

LeBron has the most playoff game winners all-time

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He didn't need another player to carry him in every category like Michael did

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Did something Michael could never dream of doing

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Decimated him on every level

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When you look up and think about it...it's just not even fair

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