The Science™ Flip Flops on Masks (again)

[Cleverness]

Mask Science™ in 2020

January, February:
Decades of data and research have shown masks are not effective. Seriously people: STOP BUYING MASKS (https://twitter.com/DavidWaddell5/status/1234238596279865344).
Also, asymptomatic spread is very rare (https://youtu.be/TDFsWybjkmg), so no point in general public wearing face masks.

March:
RCTs show that masks may INCREASE your risk (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240780786.html)of infection. STOP WEARING THEM

"but media has us terrified. we're scared, we really wanna wear them, we wanna feel safe," said the sheep

April:
Ok fine. Forget decades of data and research. Put anything over your face - surgical mask, cloth mask, scarf, bandanna, whatever, it'll work

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5Ghmlwj_zoo/hqdefault.jpg



July:
We found evidence they work! A hair stylist in Missouri wore a mask and none of her customers got sick! 300,000,000 people need to wear them everywhere, forever!
Note: they don't protect you, but they work as source control!

And... if we wear them for 4 to 8 weeks this virus will be under control! (https://www.axios.com/cdc-director-masking-coronavirus-dba00f19-4167-43a0-b021-9a9e66974517.html)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367


September:
Weird. Despite 80-90% of general public wearing masks, the virus is out of control! This mask is better than a vaccine. Guaranteed! (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiKGfozUcAISs5q.jpg



November:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmmaeLPXMAARokj?format=jpg&name=small




Forget what we said before - Now they protect you too!


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[Stanley Kobrick]

pray the corona virus away
pray for a trump victory


- https://rationalground.com/


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[Cleverness]

pray the corona virus away

Since masks increase risk, prayer may actually work better than masks. In fact, areas that pray more (red cities/states) tend to have less deaths w/ COVID than blue cities/states with strict mask compliance.

[Stanley Kobrick]

The outcome of covid is in the lords hands above, none of that pseudoscience mask malarky


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[Cleverness]

Can you stop with the completely irrelevant posts?

2,339 posts on that alt and I can't remember a single one that would have been worth posting.

[LAmbruh]

The outcome of covid is in the lords hands above, none of that pseudoscience mask malarky


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:oldlol::roll:

[bladefd]

Masks help to limit spread of viruses like covid. Not only does research from past 4-5 months limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

Don't listen to the OP. Vaccine should be out in spring then you can toss the mask.

[Cleverness]

Masks help to limit spread of viruses like covid. Not only does research from past 4-5 months limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

Don't listen to the OP. Vaccine should be out in spring then you can toss the mask.

This isn't about me. This is about The Science™. I'm just copying + pasting what The Science™ has said this year.

[SATAN]

This dude would have been burning witches at the stake in previous centuries.

[Kblaze8855]

Regardless of where anyone lands on he mask issue....this isnt much of a point against science itself. Science isnt supposed to stand still. Its conclusions are supposed to change with more information. Id imagine much of the population wearing masks and seeing those results would add a lot more information than was previously available. If it didnt change with time there would be a problem.

Its its most basic science is just trying to get answers. Its never supposed to stop.

[Axe]

Masks help to limit spread of viruses like covid. Not only does research from past 4-5 months limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

Don't listen to the OP. Vaccine should be out in spring then you can toss the mask.
Face masks > social distancing & hand sanitizers

[CelticBaller]

OP is literally waging a war on mask and nobody cares

[KennyPowers]

Amazing how the libtard homosexuals 1 star every single post from Trump supporters. The epitome of tranny pigs that live in their twitter vacuum. I'd say I think they would block their own friends for supporting Trump by that would actually require getting off ihs and having scary face to face interactions. Scared of talking face to because they are are autistic, and also they are scared of corona beer killing their obese diabetic ass.

[KennyPowers]

OP is literally waging a war on mask and nobody cares

This applies to libtards getting covid. Nobody gives a shit if people like LAmbruh die. Multiple people here would laugh if people like him and blades died of covid. Or fell off a bridge. Or drank bleach. Nobody vwiuld care, including their own parents. They would actually pop champagne I assume

[ItsMillerTime]

This applies to libtards getting covid. Nobody gives a shit if people like LAmbruh die. Multiple people here would laugh if people like him and blades died of covid. Or fell off a bridge. Or drank bleach. Nobody vwiuld care, including their own parents. They would actually pop champagne I assume

KennyPowers triggered af this morning.

It's okay baby boy, it'll all be over soon.

[RRR3]

KennyPowers triggered af this morning.

It's okay baby boy, it'll all be over soon.
Legit don’t know how he can be THAT angry all the time. Must be exhausting.

[~primetime~]

I'm not sure there has been anyone on this planet more negatively affected by covid than Cleverness.

[Patrick Chewing]

More masks are being worn today than ever before, and cases of infection are rising. Explain that to me. I'm looking at you primetime. You Fauci clone.

[~primetime~]

More masks are being worn today than ever before, and cases of infection are rising. Explain that to me. I'm looking at you primetime. You Fauci clone.

My guess is the rise is a combination of several things...weather, kids are now in school sharing germs, and maybe more testing.

no one said masks are full proof cure...they just filter your breath some for others

[bladefd]

This applies to libtards getting covid. Nobody gives a shit if people like LAmbruh die. Multiple people here would laugh if people like him and blades died of covid. Or fell off a bridge. Or drank bleach. Nobody vwiuld care, including their own parents. They would actually pop champagne I assume

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[bladefd]

Face masks > social distancing & hand sanitizers

Do all 3 once you return from being out. I do all 3 and have not gotten covid yet (knock on wood)

[Patrick Chewing]

Do all 3 once you return from being out. I do all 3 and have not gotten covid yet (knock on wood)

That's cause you haven't left the house since March.

[Overdrive]

March:
RCTs show that masks may INCREASE your risk (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240780786.html)of infection. STOP WEARING THEM


Do you read the articles you post or do you just go by the headlines?

[bladefd]

That's cause you haven't left the house since March.

What are you talking about? I have left the house plenty of times. I even traveled to Virginia for a weekend.

[Patrick Chewing]

What are you talking about? I have left the house plenty of times. I even traveled to Virginia for a weekend.

Nice. How was it?

[rawimpact]

Masks help to limit spread of viruses like covid. Not only does research from past 4-5 months limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

Don't listen to the OP. Vaccine should be out in spring then you can toss the mask.

There it is folks, it's the research that limits covid, not the masks. Dump the masks, go on amazon and buy a microscope and together, we can get rid of COVID19.

[Manny98]

My guess is the rise is a combination of several things...weather, kids are now in school sharing germs, and maybe more testing.

no one said masks are full proof cure...they just filter your breath some for others

They don't do shit but dehumanize us by taking away our identity and freedoms

Stop trying to justify mandating masks, it's tyranny

[Manny98]

That's cause you haven't left the house since March.

:roll:

[bladefd]

There it is folks, it's the research that limits covid, not the masks. Dump the masks, go on amazon and buy a microscope and together, we can get rid of COVID19.

Errr, that was a typo.. My bad.

Edited: Not only does research from past 4-5 months *show masks* limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

[Cleverness]

Regardless of where anyone lands on he mask issue....this isnt much of a point against science itself. Science isnt supposed to stand still. Its conclusions are supposed to change with more information. Id imagine much of the population wearing masks and seeing those results would add a lot more information than was previously available. If it didnt change with time there would be a problem.

Its its most basic science is just trying to get answers. Its never supposed to stop.

Correct - science isn't supposed to stand still.

My point is there was never any evidence to warrant a change on their stance in April, July, Sept, and now.

Even to this day, WHO says there is no direct evidence to support universal masking.

[Cleverness]

Do you read the articles you post or do you just go by the headlines?

Most of the time I do. I also read the actual studies. If it's just a tiny detail I may only skim through it.

[Cleverness]

Do all 3 once you return from being out. I do all 3 and have not gotten covid yet (knock on wood)

Have you been tested every day for COVID?

You may have already had it. CDC says most Americans will be exposed to it this year or next.

[Cleverness]

Errr, that was a typo.. My bad.

Edited: Not only does research from past 4-5 months *show masks* limit the spread of covid but it also provides some protection from covid.

You keep making that claim. As I've asked you before, show us the best RCT that shows masks save lives and/or limits spread from covid.

Per CDC, they listed two case studies as evidence for 300,000,000 people to wear a mask: a hospital in Boston and a hair stylist in Missouri. While I think it's good to be open with the science, their opinion that 300m should wear a face covering (some 40-50+ hours/wk) based on those two case studies is an embarrassment to the CDC and science in general.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

[Cleverness]

I'm not sure there has been anyone on this planet more negatively affected by covid than Cleverness.

I may have gotten COVID in February - was sick for a few days with a cold.

Other than that, I haven't been negatively affected by COVID at all.

However, I've been negatively impacted by gov't lockdowns/mandates, going on Day 241 of 15 Days to Slow the Spread. Gym / rec league, movies, sporting events, concerts, shows, theme parks, traveling, etc. That was my life ~5 days a week before the lockdowns. I had 6 intl trips canceled this year and would be overseas right now if it wasn't for all the bullshit.

[Cleverness]

Regardless of where anyone lands on he mask issue....this isnt much of a point against science itself. Science isnt supposed to stand still. Its conclusions are supposed to change with more information. Id imagine much of the population wearing masks and seeing those results would add a lot more information than was previously available. If it didnt change with time there would be a problem.

Its its most basic science is just trying to get answers. Its never supposed to stop.

2nd follow-up to this

I suppose one of the best examples of how science should change with more information is this:

Estimations of 10 million (mild scenario) to 31 (severe) million hospitalizations (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads) with a rate of 15-40% of people being hospitalized with it were made in March. Fauci himself predicted 15-20% hosp rate. The conclusion was we needed 15 days to slow the spread so hospitals wouldn't be overrun.

When more information came out and the hosp rate was clearly 1% or less, hospitals were empty, field hospitals torn down (some after seeing 0 patients), the conclusions changed, but not in the way you'd expect. Instead of 15 days, Fauci suggested Trump continue to the national emergency and extend the federal guidelines for an additional 30 days. The natl emergency and federal recommendations are still in effect today, 241 days later.

How should conclusions have changed? Well it's quite obvious: instead of continuing the Slow the Spread approach, we should have opened 100% on March 29th, because hospitals this year have been largely underwhelmed, cumulative hospitalizations are less than a typical flu season, and the rate of hosp is less than flu. There's really no argument for continuing this approach (never was) and certainly not when you consider the destruction they do to millions lives, children, the economy, liberty, etc.


even Joe Biden's COVID advisor predicted 96 million infections & 48 million hospitalization and suggested NOT doing any lockdowns (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/facing-covid-19-reality-national-lockdown-is-no-cure/)

Now with ~96 million infections (he was spot on with the infections) and 0.5 million hospitalizations, he's suggesting a national lockdown? :facepalm


We've already been in lockdown for 241 Days and counting with approx 60,000,000 to 120,000,000 infections so far.

I suppose another 6 weeks will do the trick?

Also, his advisor told Joe Rogan there would be 96,000,000 cases and 48,000,000 hospitalizations from COVID (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emo6zxBWEAIjuRs?format=jpg&name=large). Actual hospitalizations: 0.5 million (https://covidtracking.com/data/national/hospitalization/). :lol

I suppose he was spot on with the infections, so give him some credit for that.

Biden's other advisor originally wanted a lockdown until Oct 2021. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14181086&viewfull=1#post14181086

[Cleverness]

This is what happens in America when you don't obey The Science™ & wear your mask vaccine...

https://twitter.com/ArtValley818_/status/1334547401626050571

[SATAN]

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[Cleverness]

January 25th Fauci: Double-masking is 'common sense'

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EtF-WTvW8AAYMmB?format=jpg&name=small

Interesting how he was sitting on this guidance for 10 months, not following it and not telling anyone, yet it's also "common sense" to wear two masks.


January 26 CNBC and other quacks: TRIPLE MASK

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If two are more effective, why not 3?


January 31: back to science and data? Fauci on double masking: “There’s no data that indicates that that is going to make a difference”

https://twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1355991619225448450 / https://www.youtube.com/embed/5XdeMD7YueY

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[~primetime~]

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:oldlol:

[BurningHammer]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/9e/61/a89e613e9e8ae070f687d2e14ed925a8.jpg

Summing up the whole thread :oldlol:

[kabar]

Yeah the CDC now has to take psychological advantage of self preservation because retards like you exist.:lol

[Hey Yo]

CDC Recommends Also Wearing Face Mask On Back Of Head In Case Coronavirus Attacks From Rear



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https://www.theonion.com/cdc-recommends-also-wearing-face-mask-on-back-of-head-i-1841669382

[Loco 50]

Mask Science™ in 2020

January, February:
Decades of data and research have shown masks are not effective. Seriously people: STOP BUYING MASKS (https://twitter.com/DavidWaddell5/status/1234238596279865344).
Also, asymptomatic spread is very rare (https://youtu.be/TDFsWybjkmg), so no point in general public wearing face masks.

March:
RCTs show that masks may INCREASE your risk (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article240780786.html)of infection. STOP WEARING THEM

"but media has us terrified. we're scared, we really wanna wear them, we wanna feel safe," said the sheep

April:
Ok fine. Forget decades of data and research. Put anything over your face - surgical mask, cloth mask, scarf, bandanna, whatever, it'll work

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5Ghmlwj_zoo/hqdefault.jpg



July:
We found evidence they work! A hair stylist in Missouri wore a mask and none of her customers got sick! 300,000,000 people need to wear them everywhere, forever!
Note: they don't protect you, but they work as source control!

And... if we wear them for 4 to 8 weeks this virus will be under control! (https://www.axios.com/cdc-director-masking-coronavirus-dba00f19-4167-43a0-b021-9a9e66974517.html)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367


September:
Weird. Despite 80-90% of general public wearing masks, the virus is out of control! This mask is better than a vaccine. Guaranteed! (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiKGfozUcAISs5q.jpg



November:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmmaeLPXMAARokj?format=jpg&name=small




Forget what we said before - Now they protect you too!


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Jan-Feb: We believed the spread of the contagion was similar to flu/common cold i.e. airborne. Surgical masks, bandanas anything other than a properly fitted N95 or Hepa filter masks/professional gear cannot protect against airborne transmission. This being a respiratory virus with extremely rapid spread that was a fair assumption to make, though it turned out to be incorrect.

March: It became understood that people thought they were well protected from what was incorrectly thought to be an airborne virus with mask usage therefore they were engaging in riskier (large public gatherings, continuing to work while symptomatic, etc) behaviors. Spread continues extremely rapidly with a statistically significant number of deaths which induces public fear.

April: This being a novel virus we learned that viral transmission was not airborne but instead transmitted by droplets, thus trapped in mucus, saliva, sneeze/cough and exhalations. Masks can mitigate this form of transmission, thus the necessary change in the medical community's stance.

july: Further studies confrim droplet transmission and begin to study how effective various mechanical barriers are sufficient to block the viral particles. 4-8 weeks implied a miraculous 100% compliance rate. Impossible, magical thinking in this country thanks to people like you leading the disinformation charge for well over a year.

Sept: All or nothing. If you choose to be a contagion, then everyone associated with you is at increased risk. Mask or not. Mask protection in viral droplet transmission is meant to contain your own pathogens, not to protect them against you. The virus became politicized by and idiot exacerbating the problem. This leads to the CDC becoming infiltrated with political cronies and career opportunists. A scientific tool meant to help the community was turned into weaponized propaganda against it's own populace.

Nov: Wearing a mask protects others, thus protecting yourself and your own family by:
A. Stopping spread from those that may be asymptomatic yet are discreetly infecting others.
B. Setting a simple, basic hygenic (idiot proof, if you will) standard for all of us to follow to limit spread which limits mutations, thereby limiting the duration of the pandemic, and hopefully mitigating the chances for reinfection.
C. Limit symptomatic spreaders from spraying viral particles on the non-infected poplulation.

The selfish and the narcissistic among us had a difficult time understanding performing an action that would benefit others, but not themselves.



These are not terribly complex developments. If someone actually takes the time to read and inform themselves the logic is fairly straight forward.

The scientifc/medical community is required to adapt/evolve as more information presents itself to properly serve its' community. The virus is continually evolving as well due to it being an RNA virus which are notoriously unstable molecules similar to the cold. That is a problem beyond this post.

Stupid people have a difficult time assimilating new information and reacting appropriately. It would be stupid to keep the same approach from day 0 of the pandemic to today.

You've been at this for well over a year, but don't seem to have learned much. Your name is somehow.........

[Cleverness]

Yeah the CDC now has to take psychological advantage of self preservation because retards like you exist.:lol

I know you're a big fan of Trump's National State of Emergency, Trump's Task force, etc, and you duck and dodge every time you get asked about your most basic positions

Anyways, this you? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etb57yVVkAAXb7-?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etb57yVVkAAXb7-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[warriorfan]

I know you're a big fan of Trump's National State of Emergency, Trump's Task force, etc, and you duck and dodge every time you get asked about your most basic positions

Anyways, this you? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etb57yVVkAAXb7-?format=jpg&name=900x900
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etb57yVVkAAXb7-?format=jpg&name=900x900

Setting a brave new standard.

:applause:

Science.

[Cleverness]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etb57yVVkAAXb7-?format=jpg&name=small

Damn, you're so far from reality, your name is somehow... very fitting.


4-8 weeks implied a miraculous 100% compliance rate. Impossible, magical thinking in this country thanks to people like you leading the disinformation charge for well over a year.

1) No, 4-8 weeks did not imply a miraculous 100% compliance rate. The Science™ said ~80%. (we've been at 93% since early October)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erj7ovoVgAEr9QP?format=jpg&name=small


Impossible, magical thinking in this country thanks to people like you leading the disinformation charge for well over a year.

2) People like me? What exactly did I do to increase the number of coronavirus infections in the US? Mask use in California is ~95% and the US has a whole has been 93% since early October.


The virus became politicized by and idiot exacerbating the problem.

3) Going with the OMB approach, yet you're a big fan of his National State of Emergency and Trump's own guidelines tell people to wear a mask and he himself wore a mask. The politicizing was done by the propagandists. (in b4 b-b-b-but Trump said dumb things to the media)

4) How many lives has Trump's Coronavirus Task Force saved?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...rus-Team-saved

Trump's National State of Emergency authorized:

travel bans
stay-at-home orders
business closures
school closures
mask mandates
trillions of dollars in spending
etc.

Here are the results:

June ~25 million infections
Sept ~50 million infections
Nov ~100 million infections

(Per CDC estimations (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/26/939365087/government-model-suggests-u-s-covid-19-cases-could-be-approaching-100-million))

5) How many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?

6) How many times have masks been worn in the US? How many lives were saved by the billions of of masks worn?

7) Finally, what should we have done since April when field hospitals were torn down, Navy ships sailed out, and hospitals were eerily empty?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year

[SATAN]

He's an alt right incel cherry picking to spread misinformation

[Cleverness]

He's an alt right incel cherry picking to spread misinformation

No, he's just a brainwashed OMB NPC who thinks Trump's Natl State of Emergency saved lives, but anyone can look at the data and realize that's not the case.

Anyways, you should go back to hiding under your bed with scuzzy. :ohwell:

[Nanners]

YOU MUST OBEY THE SCIENCE

https://i.ibb.co/CJ1yyrW/airplane-masks.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/dpDzXNf/Mask-risk.jpg

[Cleverness]

^

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Germany compliance must have been near 100% from May through September, then everyone suddenly stopped complying in October. It must have been Trump's fault per Loco50. :oldlol:

[SATAN]

You guys seem infinitely more scared of reality than people who wear masks and try to get on with life. No joke.

[Cleverness]

You guys seem infinitely more scared of reality than people who wear masks and try to get on with life. No joke.

I live in reality. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

You seem infinitely obedient to whatever the Official Narrative tells you. No joke.

[Nanners]

Germany compliance must have been near 100% from May through September, then everyone suddenly stopped complying in October. It must have been Trump's fault per Loco50. :oldlol:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er8MzP2W4AAcmxk?format=jpg&name=medium

[SATAN]

I live in reality. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

You seem infinitely obedient to whatever the Official Narrative tells you. No joke.

:lol

Do you want it to keep spreading and let nature run it's course? Serious question. The amount of absolute nonsense you've typed/cherry picked to suit your weird agenda about this topic put me off even reading what you were typing out for the past few months.

[Loco 50]

Damn, you're so far from reality, your name is somehow... very fitting.



1) No, 4-8 weeks did not imply a miraculous 100% compliance rate. The Science™ said ~80%. (we've been at 93% since early October)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Erj7ovoVgAEr9QP?format=jpg&name=small[/url]
A single author opines that 80% would cause infections to plummet, not be eradicated, but plummet and you feel he speaks on behalf of the entire community. This is your first foolish statement, so strike 1.

95% statewide, 93% nationwide compliance rates are gibberish. Statistics pulled from the ether. A critical thinker would ask themself how would something like that even be measured let alone enforced, yet here you just totally accept those figures? Absolute rubbish. Strike 2.






2) People like me? What exactly did I do to increase the number of coronavirus infections in the US? Mask use in California is ~95% and the US has a whole has been 93% since early October.
Do you live in isolation? Have you not been on a public message board ranting disinformation that another poster exposed as not even your original work for over a year? I hope you're right and you hold no influence over a single other person.




3) Going with the OMB approach, yet you're a big fan of his National State of Emergency and Trump's own guidelines tell people to wear a mask and he himself wore a mask. The politicizing was done by the propagandists. (in b4 b-b-b-but Trump said dumb things to the media)

Responsibility of a country is usually understood to fall on the shoulders of it's leader, yes? He was handed the reins of the world's most powerful economy and led us to the world's most anemic/wishy washy response resulting in us being one of the most severely effected countries worldwide. Pathetic. We've had this discussion before. I gave you possible solutions. I will not rehash. He didn't start reversing course on the virus until the tanker was headed straight for the iceberg. The ship starts sinking and now he deserves credit for wearing a mask? If this were handled properly we never would have needed to enter a National State of Emergency. Strike 3.



4) How many lives has Trump's Coronavirus Task Force saved?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...rus-Team-saved

Trump's National State of Emergency authorized:

travel bans
stay-at-home orders
business closures
school closures
mask mandates
trillions of dollars in spending
etc.

Here are the results:

June ~25 million infections
Sept ~50 million infections
Nov ~100 million infections

(Per CDC estimations (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/26/939365087/government-model-suggests-u-s-covid-19-cases-could-be-approaching-100-million))

To call his team of sycophants a "Corona Task Force" is insulting. He muzzled the one expert with the potential to make a difference and installed Pence as it's lead to essentially pray the pain away and hope for the best. What qualifications did Pence have over a nationwide medical emergency let alone a novel viral outbreak?

The regulations you listed were not nationwide. Everything was half-measured and sloppy which is exactly to be expected from a Trump/Pence administration that took months to even recognize the threat. Some regions locked down tight while others remained wide open. With free travel allowed to continue between regions absolutely nothing was accomplished.

"Wear a mask if you want."
"We expect it'll be gone by Easter."
"It's well contained."
"It's completely under control."
"We have to keep our churches open. Very important."

A f'n forest fire was started, ignored, then pissed on and you don't understand why those measures failed? You're beyond out of pitches.



5) How many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?
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You treat an outbreak like a fire. Preventative measures needed to be up front not after it's raging out of control. There were warning signs for months. We had examples to learn from in China, Germany and Italy months before it flared it up uncontrollably here.

He had the power to get research funded to figure out which drugs would effectively combat it but chose to lead us down the hydroxychloroquine rabbit hole long after it was suspected that the doctor behind that study was a fraud. He had the ability to work with manufacturers to adapt their output to much needed PPE that was in short supply. He could have made a difference.

He chose to live in an alternate reality in which the virus was not a threat and he led millions of others to the same conclusion. The result. A devastated economy.


6) How many times have masks been worn in the US? How many lives were saved by the billions of of masks worn?
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Nonsense question. How many deaths were prevented by seatbelts? How many drownings were prevented by taking life jackets out on a boat trip? How do you quantify an unknown future? This demonstrates a severely lacking intellect.


7) Finally, what should we have done since April when field hospitals were torn down, Navy ships sailed out, and hospitals were eerily empty?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year

Your knowledge on this subject is so lacking that you are unable to even ask intelligent questions, unfortunately. The most profound mistakes were made well before April. The country was effected very differently depending on the region. Some urban hospitals were overwhelmed while rural areas remained almost unaffected. Proper governance would have understood those nuances.

I will not engage further with you on this topic unless you demonstrate some capacity for learning, nevermind the fact that I'm probably not even arguing with your own original thoughts.

[SATAN]

:applause:

[Cleverness]

:lol

Do you want it to keep spreading and let nature run it's course? Serious question. The amount of absolute nonsense you've typed/cherry picked to suit your weird agenda about this topic put me off even reading what you were typing out for the past few months.

As opposed to?

[Loco 50]

YOU MUST OBEY THE SCIENCE

https://i.ibb.co/CJ1yyrW/airplane-masks.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/dpDzXNf/Mask-risk.jpg

Nanners, you and I both know idiocy doesn't belong to one politcal party. Can't expect consistency from people that don't even have a basic understanding of the situation.

Anybody that chose to fly/protest while spouting off pandemic panic was a twit.

[SATAN]

Take a look around the globe. Economies and business are coming back to normal (mostly) after taking action and bringing the virus to a halt. What's so hard to understand? You gonna bring up Sweden again now? :lol

Edit: Assuming that's your main gripe.

[Loco 50]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Er8MzP2W4AAcmxk?format=jpg&name=medium

Due to the political climate I would not trust either of these states reported stats, tbh.

[Cleverness]

Take a look around the globe. Economies and business are coming back to normal (mostly) after taking action and bringing the virus to a halt. What's so hard to understand? You gonna bring up Sweden again now? :lol

Edit: Assuming that's your main gripe.

You didn't even answer my question though. As opposed to what?

Maybe it's a bit more normal in select places in the US like some select places in Florida, but it ain't normal in California and most of the US. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

How many states in the US have packed concerts & sporting events? What % of US schools are operating 100% normal?

I think my gripes have been quite clear that ppl need to wake TF up and stop supporting Trump's (& now Biden's) bullshit Natl State of Emergency, but this post (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14219308#post14219308)was a pretty good list...


I'm arguing for trillions in wealth not to be transferred to the gov't/wealthy
for that money to be given directly to Americans (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year)
for small businesses not be bankrupted by gov't restrictions (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/07/black-owned-businesses-may-not-survive-covid-19/)
for the "essential workers" who got screwed over in 2020
for holding our rulers (eg Trump, governors, etc) accountable to their words and actions
for the hospital patients who will die alone and afraid
for the religious people forbidden from their place of worship
for the large increase in young people who now have thoughts of suicide
for the babies and children who will grow up without seeing smiles
for tens of millions of children to not lose a year of relevant schooling
for the special needs kids who have been deprived of their therapies
for the increased amount of children at home who are being abused
for the people who have been driven to drugs, alcohol
for all the people in rehab who no longer can attend their group meetings
for the millions of people who have missed out on their medical procedures, treatments, and screenings
for the tens of thousands extra amt of people who will die of cancer
for the added 130 million people who will be pushed to the brink of starvation
for the nursing home residents who aren't allowed to see their loved ones as they die in despair
for everyone to have the freedom to attend a funeral/wedding/etc
for the hundreds of millions of people who have had their livelihood taken away

I don't consider it to be nonsense to argue for these things.

I am here to give argue on behalf of all those who have had no consideration by our policy makers, no voice, no media attn, no daily sob stories... And I'm arguing on behalf of freedom.

[Cleverness]

Due to the political climate I would not trust either of these states reported stats, tbh.

If there's anything we can trust, it has to be the data, and specifically the deaths w/ COVID data. This data also lines up pretty well with the CDC's excess mortality data per state, so this data seems accurate.

[SATAN]

You didn't even answer my question though. As opposed to what?

Maybe it's a bit more normal in select places in the US like some select places in Florida, but it ain't normal in California and most of the US. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

How many states in the US have packed concerts & sporting events? What % of US schools are operating 100% normal?

I think my gripes have been quite clear that ppl need to wake TF up and stop supporting Trump's (& now Biden's) bullshit Natl State of Emergency, but this post (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14219308#post14219308)was a pretty good list...


I'm arguing for trillions in wealth not to be transferred to the gov't/wealthy
for that money to be given directly to Americans (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year)
for small businesses not be bankrupted by gov't restrictions (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/07/black-owned-businesses-may-not-survive-covid-19/)
for the "essential workers" who got screwed over in 2020
for holding our rulers (eg Trump, governors, etc) accountable to their words and actions
for the hospital patients who will die alone and afraid
for the religious people forbidden from their place of worship
for the large increase in young people who now have thoughts of suicide
for the babies and children who will grow up without seeing smiles
for tens of millions of children to not lose a year of relevant schooling
for the special needs kids who have been deprived of their therapies
for the increased amount of children at home who are being abused
for the people who have been driven to drugs, alcohol
for all the people in rehab who no longer can attend their group meetings
for the millions of people who have missed out on their medical procedures, treatments, and screenings
for the tens of thousands extra amt of people who will die of cancer
for the added 130 million people who will be pushed to the brink of starvation
for the nursing home residents who aren't allowed to see their loved ones as they die in despair
for everyone to have the freedom to attend a funeral/wedding/etc
for the hundreds of millions of people who have had their livelihood taken away

I don't consider it to be nonsense to argue for these things.

I am here to give argue on behalf of all those who have had no consideration by our policy makers, no voice, no media attn, no daily sob stories... And I'm arguing on behalf of freedom.

Ah, I see. You're just a very dedicated troll.

[Cleverness]

Ah, I see. You're just a very dedicated troll.

I answered you, then I asked you a couple of basic follow-up questions, but you just ignore them and call me the troll? :facepalm

[Cleverness]

A single author opines that 80% would cause infections to plummet, not be eradicated, but plummet and you feel he speaks on behalf of the entire community. This is your first foolish statement, so strike 1.

It wasn't only "a single author." It was part of the Official Narrative.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswestfall/2020/05/12/new-study-shows-80-percent-decrease-in-covid-19-cases/

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/covid-19-cases-would-plummet-if-80-of-americans-wore-face-masks-study-says

https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/node/24430

https://mashable.com/article/coronavirus-study-80-percent-of-americans-wear-masks/

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2020/06/18/coronavirus-cases-would-plummet-if-80--of-people-wore-masks--study

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/common_ground/if-80-wore-masks-it-would-halt-covid/article_ff480c3d-c6ee-58c9-99fe-7cfb7420741f.html

Even Fox News joined in

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-infections-plunge-80-percent-wore-masks


By July it changed to "80-90%" (actual mask use was around 80% over the summer)

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/wearing-a-mask-can-help-us-get-out-of-lockdown-safely



95% statewide, 93% nationwide compliance rates are gibberish. Statistics pulled from the ether. A critical thinker would ask themself how would something like that even be measured let alone enforced, yet here you just totally accept those figures? Absolute rubbish. Strike 2.

They aren't gibberish. They aren't pulled from ether. Anyone can take a look around when they're at the grocery store, hospital, work, mall, etc and see people wearing them.

McDonalds, Taco Bell, Fast food places, retail outlet, Walgreens, Target, Rite Aid, CVS, Barnes and Noble, Gamestop, Amazon, Chipotle, etc all have their employees wear masks. It's not some sort of secret. I haven't been to any junk fast food (besides Chipotle) this year, but I've been to some of those types of places above at least 100 times over the past year. 100% of employees are wearing them and almost 100% of their customers are wearing them. Again, it's not a secret.

LMK if you know any cities in California where I can walk into one of those places and people aren't wearing masks.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/ Again, 92% since early Oct. Honestly I'd like to know who/where those 8% are. Where do they work? Farmland maybe? Maybe they're in Idaho?

There are tons of polls out there like that one. I've posted them before. Even forced masking polls incredibly well (that's why politicians implement them).

Pull up some live streams of grocery stores, malls, etc. It's tough to go into places without a mask around the US. Here's Orlando FL where it's a bit more relaxed than California and you'll see that about 95% of the people in the video are wearing masks. A few have them pulled down while eating/drinking, but people pull them up before entering the smaller enclosed building (most of which have an employee who will enforce the mask compliance orders from above).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu3AiIoc3vE

Grocery stores look like this:
https://youtu.be/e9SOJpwf0To?t=559

Seriously, pull up some live streams of LA public transport / airports ... literally 95-100% wearing a mask.



Do you live in isolation? Have you not been on a public message board ranting disinformation that another poster exposed as not even your original work for over a year? I hope you're right and you hold no influence over a single other person.

I live in California. I go mtn biking a lot and still most people are wearing masks outdoors.

Anyways, exactly how have I increased the amount of infections in the US?

[Cleverness]

Responsibility of a country is usually understood to fall on the shoulders of it's leader, yes? He was handed the reins of the world's most powerful economy and led us to the world's most anemic/wishy washy response resulting in us being one of the most severely effected countries worldwide. Pathetic. We've had this discussion before. I gave you possible solutions. I will not rehash. He didn't start reversing course on the virus until the tanker was headed straight for the iceberg. The ship starts sinking and now he deserves credit for wearing a mask? If this were handled properly we never would have needed to enter a National State of Emergency. Strike 3.

Trump declared a Natl State of Emergency on March 13th... I'm not sure where you're getting this "if this were handled properly we never would have needed to enter it." What exactly are you saying here? And when were you giving these solutions of yours? The entire Official Narrative from the media & Democrats up until March was that he overreacted with his travel bans and that we should all be going out to theaters and Chinese New Year gatherings.


To call his team of sycophants a "Corona Task Force" is insulting. He muzzled the one expert with the potential to make a difference and installed Pence as it's lead to essentially pray the pain away and hope for the best. What qualifications did Pence have over a nationwide medical emergency let alone a novel viral outbreak?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsEclMIVQAQaype?format=jpg&name=medium

Let's take a trip down memory lane...

Dr. Fauci RE Woodward's fake news: https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1303762016151232513
Dr. Fauci says that he never got the sense that President Trump was downplaying COVID-19:

"I didn't get any sense that he was distorting anything. In my discussions with him, they were always straightforward about the concerns that we had."

The fact is Trump followed Dr. Fauci's lead.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsEclMIVQAQaype?format=jpg&name=medium

February: Dr. Fauci: Risk of coronavirus in USA is 'minuscule'; skip mask and wash hands
(https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/)

Fauci: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus (https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2020/02/15/disease-expert--flu-a-bigger-risk-in-the-us-than-coronavirus)

February 29th: Dr. Fauci on coronavirus fears: No need to change lifestyle yet (https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616)

March 8th: "There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci told 60 Minutes. (https://www.msn.com/en-ph/health/medical/preventing-coronavirus-should-you-wear-a-face-mask/ar-BB10VE1c)

March 9th: “No reason” not to go on cruise if you’re young and healthy: Fauci (https://globalnews.ca/video/6653403/covid-19-no-reason-not-to-go-on-cruise-if-youre-young-and-healthy-fauci)


Then Fauci did a 180, replaced decades of hard science for pseudoscience, and our politicians caved to media/fear/hysteria and went with draconian lockdowns for 15 days to flatten the curve to prevent hospitals from being overrun http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483846-a-vaccine-isn-t-the-end-all-be-all&p=14104037&viewfull=1#post14104037
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483846-a-vaccine-isn-t-the-end-all-be-all&p=14104041&viewfull=1#post14104041

The "Experts" predicted between 10 million to 48 million hospitalizations from COVID (LOL). Actual data: hospitals record low census and 15% decrease in ER visits for 2020:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490193-No-Jobs-For-Doctors-Hospitals-Have-Been-Too-Empty&p=14243472#post14243472
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14103771&viewfull=1#post14103771

Again, the Official Narrative in Feb/March was that the disease would not be stopped, but we could ramp up hospital capacity because they predicted a 15-50% hospitalization rate (actual rate is ~1-4%). They concluded 15 days to SLOW THE SPREAD.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192

[Cleverness]

The regulations you listed were not nationwide. Everything was half-measured and sloppy which is exactly to be expected from a Trump/Pence administration that took months to even recognize the threat. Some regions locked down tight while others remained wide open. With free travel allowed to continue between regions absolutely nothing was accomplished.

So the lockdowns that destroyed freedom, the lives of millions, and cost $10+ trillion "accomplished nothing." Great. Glad we've found some agreement there.


"Wear a mask if you want."
"We expect it'll be gone by Easter."
"It's well contained."
"It's completely under control."
"We have to keep our churches open. Very important."

You forgot "these doctors inject stuff and it's amazing"

Again, none of those things are actual policy. Talking shit to Jim Acosta and tweeting from a basement isn't policy.



A f'n forest fire was started, ignored, then pissed on and you don't understand why those measures failed? You're beyond out of pitches.

Uhh, I understand perfectly well why those measures failed; I've been on here for many months explaining how useless all this pseudoscience is, which is why I said we should have opened 100% in April.

The virus was here last year and we had millions infected by the of March. In April is was completely out of control and obviously impossible to contain with 10+ million infected all over the country. Luckily it hospitalizes at a tiny fraction of what they predicted, which is why field hospitals were torn down and Navy ships sailed out.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1224105162756616192
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year




5) How many infections have each of those NPIs prevented so far?

You treat an outbreak like a fire. Preventative measures needed to be up front not after it's raging out of control. There were warning signs for months. We had examples to learn from in China, Germany and Italy months before it flared it up uncontrollably here.

Really? Germany and Italy? Did you not see the graph I just posted about Germany? Or know that Italy literally has more Covid-19 deaths/capita than the US?

And tell me about these "warning signs for months." I'm guessing this was also during the same time Fauci was telling people not to wear masks, OK to go on cruises, and be more worried about influenza?

Ultimately I agree with you about the preventative measures. We needed millions of tests available in October 2019 and locked down then and by March it was way too late. But let's not pretend everyone was clamoring for Trump to lockdown in 2019 when everyone in media and the Democrats were saying he was overreacting to the virus in February while Democrats told everyone to go party and have fun for Chinese New Year.


He had the power to get research funded to figure out which drugs would effectively combat it but chose to lead us down the hydroxychloroquine rabbit hole long after it was suspected that the doctor behind that study was a fraud. He had the ability to work with manufacturers to adapt their output to much needed PPE that was in short supply. He could have made a difference.

Wait a second. Are you saying that doctors and hospitals around the country were prescribing HCQ because Trump said "it's like a miracle drug!" on television? Shit, I hope our medical system is better than that! (Btw there's actually some research showing it helps prevent hospitalization, but that's for another thread)

Umm, he did actually did ramp up PPE and ventilators and was later praised by even leftist governors like Cuomo and Newsom... I think Cuomo literally used like 10-20% of his ventilators available. But w/e, minor details.


He chose to live in an alternate reality in which the virus was not a threat and he led millions of others to the same conclusion. The result. A devastated economy.

Not sure what reality you're referring to, but in actual reality Trump:
-NEVER fired Fauci, Birx, Redfield, Adams
-NEVER ended his National State of Emergency
-signed off on TRILLIONs of federal spending to enable all the lockdowns
-so yeah, almost a year of Trump's policies that enabled lockdowns devastates an economy. go figure.

(Again, talking shit to Jim Acosta and tweeting from a basement is NOT policy.)
and btw, minor detail here, there are several interviews w/ Trump where he tells people how scary the virus is... he wears a mask... and about 100 times where he promotes the vaccine... he even critized Georgia early-on for opening up too early (remember that story? all Experts said Georgia would experience mass death for opening up early, yet that never happened. Even Trump was begging Georgia to stay in lockdown. but again, tweets and shit talking isn't policy.)



6) How many times have masks been worn in the US? How many lives were saved by the billions of of masks worn?

Nonsense question. How many deaths were prevented by seatbelts? How many drownings were prevented by taking life jackets out on a boat trip? How do you quantify an unknown future? This demonstrates a severely lacking intellect.

It's not a nonsense question at all. Asking for pros/cons is basic cost vs benefit analysis. It's what grown ups do.

And it's pretty easy to get some data on how many deaths prevented by seatbelts btw. It's also quite easy to get an estimate on # masks worn in the US, but so far the data hasn't shown it's done jack shit to prevent infections in the real world.


Your knowledge on this subject is so lacking that you are unable to even ask intelligent questions, unfortunately. The most profound mistakes were made well before April. The country was effected very differently depending on the region. Some urban hospitals were overwhelmed while rural areas remained almost unaffected. Proper governance would have understood those nuances.

The questions I'm asking are the most CRITICAL & FUNDAMENTAL questions everyone should be asking. I'm asking about the data, the results, the pros/cons of policies (cost vs benefit), and what should be done.

In fact, I'd argue that those who present policies and never mention the costs of their proposals are the ones who should not be taken seriously. To do so would be absolutely foolish.



I will not engage further with you on this topic unless you demonstrate some capacity for learning, nevermind the fact that I'm probably not even arguing with your own original thoughts.


My point is that we should have been open 100% in April. That's the bottom line. I asked you what should we have done since April when field hospitals were torn down, Navy ships sailed out, and hospitals were eerily empty, but you didn't even answer the fundamental question. :facepalm

[Cleverness]

@ Nanners read from MM?

[Nanners]

MM = Media Monarchy? or is there a different MM?

I do read/listen to media monarchy... and I love his "new world next week" crossover shows with Colbert Report.

btw if you are referencing Mayple May, sorry but I rarely check that account and I didnt see your email earlier... finally sent you a response lol

edit: forgot to mention thank you for taking the time to educate the ISH shortbus squad with your past few posts above this ^^

[Axe]

I dunno why but i'm kinda loving Clev's dedication regarding this stuff, even if i don't read them that much. :oldlol:

[SATAN]

I answered you, then I asked you a couple of basic follow-up questions, but you just ignore them and call me the troll? :facepalm

Accept the L. If you ain't a troll it's sad as ****. I'm 100% serious now.

Is there noone apart from Nanners that give a shit about you or something? How you end you end up so lost? You can come back instead of being an edge lord loner your whole life.

Listen to this and stfu imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_L2pyAqDBg

[Nanners]

Is there noone apart from Nanners that give a shit about you or something? How you end you end up so lost? You can come back instead of being an edge lord loner your whole life.

Exactly how many people do you think give a shit about you and your posts? How does a bitchmade alt-posting jabroni like you find the nerve to ask how another poster ends up "lost"? Why dont you go back to your original account and be the same loser you have been throughout the duration of your ISH career?


Listen to this and stfu imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrEdbKwivCI

[SATAN]

Exactly how many people do you think give a shit about you and your posts? How does a bitchmade alt-posting jabroni like you find the nerve to ask how another poster ends up "lost"? Why dont you go back to your original account and be the same loser you have been throughout the duration of your ISH career?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrEdbKwivCI

This is how lost and paranoid you are. Literally. The sooner you morons admit you're losing it/lost it, the sooner you can get the appropriate help and be a decent member of society again. You don't have to immediately leave the house or anything btw. Find somewhere to walk where there ain't loud sounds perhaps. One step at a time.

[warriorfan]

Accept the L. If you ain't a troll it's sad as ****. I'm 100% serious now.

Is there noone apart from Nanners that give a shit about you or something? How you end you end up so lost? You can come back instead of being an edge lord loner your whole life.

Listen to this and stfu imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_L2pyAqDBg

Thanks Doctor P.

Get well soon.

[Nanners]

This is how lost and paranoid you are. Literally. The sooner you morons admit you're losing it/lost it, the sooner you can get the appropriate help and be a decent member of society again. You don't have to immediately leave the house or anything btw. Find somewhere to walk where there ain't loud sounds perhaps. One step at a time.

Are you truly unaware of how stupid and gay you sound right now?

[SATAN]

Are you truly unaware of how stupid and gay you sound right now?

You are an alt right incel conspiracy theorist and more importantly a determent to society yet have the nerve to start chirping about others. Absolute waste of atoms.

[Nanners]

You are an alt right incel conspiracy theorist and more importantly a determent to society yet have the nerve to start chirping about others. Absolute waste of atoms.

Hilarious seeing an estrogenized soyboy like you call anyone else an "incel"

Thank you for the laughs, becuase its almost beyond laughable that an assclown like you, a useless ****** who has never posted anything original or insightful (despite posting 3500 times in 10 months), a dumb**** who follows me around this forum spamming emoticons like some kind of retarded lost puppy, a dipshit who is so obsessed with me that he even copied my avatar....would try to suggest that I have a problem for having the nerve to "chirp" about others :oldlol:

[SATAN]

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3NjSIKlYXH2g/giphy.gif

Like usual :oldlol:

Being dumber than the rest of the alt right brigade isn't something to be proud of, you piece of trash. That avatar was/is mine.

[Nanners]

Like usual, laughably incapable of even attempting to respond to or rebut a single sentence

TBH I hope you keep using my avatar, I view it as a sign of respect... and it feels good knowing that no matter how bad things get, I will always have a place to live rent-free - inside of your tiny little head

[SATAN]

It's my picture. Never was yours. You can be a fake ass Dr Phil all day but I own everything you got and I'll use it whenever I want to. Understand?

[Nanners]

Yes, keep telling yourself that its your avatar... I wasnt joking when I said I hope you keep using it

[~primetime~]

It wasn't only "a single author." It was part of the Official Narrative.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chriswestfall/2020/05/12/new-study-shows-80-percent-decrease-in-covid-19-cases/

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/covid-19-cases-would-plummet-if-80-of-americans-wore-face-masks-study-says

https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/node/24430

https://mashable.com/article/coronavirus-study-80-percent-of-americans-wear-masks/

https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/2020/06/18/coronavirus-cases-would-plummet-if-80--of-people-wore-masks--study

https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/opinion/columnists/common_ground/if-80-wore-masks-it-would-halt-covid/article_ff480c3d-c6ee-58c9-99fe-7cfb7420741f.html

Even Fox News joined in

https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-infections-plunge-80-percent-wore-masks


By July it changed to "80-90%" (actual mask use was around 80% over the summer)

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/wearing-a-mask-can-help-us-get-out-of-lockdown-safely




They aren't gibberish. They aren't pulled from ether. Anyone can take a look around when they're at the grocery store, hospital, work, mall, etc and see people wearing them.

McDonalds, Taco Bell, Fast food places, retail outlet, Walgreens, Target, Rite Aid, CVS, Barnes and Noble, Gamestop, Amazon, Chipotle, etc all have their employees wear masks. It's not some sort of secret. I haven't been to any junk fast food (besides Chipotle) this year, but I've been to some of those types of places above at least 100 times over the past year. 100% of employees are wearing them and almost 100% of their customers are wearing them. Again, it's not a secret.

LMK if you know any cities in California where I can walk into one of those places and people aren't wearing masks.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/ Again, 92% since early Oct. Honestly I'd like to know who/where those 8% are. Where do they work? Farmland maybe? Maybe they're in Idaho?

There are tons of polls out there like that one. I've posted them before. Even forced masking polls incredibly well (that's why politicians implement them).

Pull up some live streams of grocery stores, malls, etc. It's tough to go into places without a mask around the US. Here's Orlando FL where it's a bit more relaxed than California and you'll see that about 95% of the people in the video are wearing masks. A few have them pulled down while eating/drinking, but people pull them up before entering the smaller enclosed building (most of which have an employee who will enforce the mask compliance orders from above).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu3AiIoc3vE

Grocery stores look like this:
https://youtu.be/e9SOJpwf0To?t=559

Seriously, pull up some live streams of LA public transport / airports ... literally 95-100% wearing a mask.




I live in California. I go mtn biking a lot and still most people are wearing masks outdoors.

Anyways, exactly how have I increased the amount of infections in the US?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6R_7Kxjqa4

[Nanners]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6R_7Kxjqa4

Next time just post a video of a white flag


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdcg738-Q70

[tpols]

You didn't even answer my question though. As opposed to what?

Maybe it's a bit more normal in select places in the US like some select places in Florida, but it ain't normal in California and most of the US. We don't even have the right to assemble 2 people for lunch at the local deli here in California.

Gyms, movie theaters, restaurants, clubs, sporting events, concerts, intl travel, banned by King's Orders.

How many states in the US have packed concerts & sporting events? What % of US schools are operating 100% normal?

I think my gripes have been quite clear that ppl need to wake TF up and stop supporting Trump's (& now Biden's) bullshit Natl State of Emergency, but this post (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14219308#post14219308)was a pretty good list...


I'm arguing for trillions in wealth not to be transferred to the gov't/wealthy
for that money to be given directly to Americans (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?488368-We-should-have-stayed-opened-100-all-year)
for small businesses not be bankrupted by gov't restrictions (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/07/black-owned-businesses-may-not-survive-covid-19/)
for the "essential workers" who got screwed over in 2020
for holding our rulers (eg Trump, governors, etc) accountable to their words and actions
for the hospital patients who will die alone and afraid
for the religious people forbidden from their place of worship
for the large increase in young people who now have thoughts of suicide
for the babies and children who will grow up without seeing smiles
for tens of millions of children to not lose a year of relevant schooling
for the special needs kids who have been deprived of their therapies
for the increased amount of children at home who are being abused
for the people who have been driven to drugs, alcohol
for all the people in rehab who no longer can attend their group meetings
for the millions of people who have missed out on their medical procedures, treatments, and screenings
for the tens of thousands extra amt of people who will die of cancer
for the added 130 million people who will be pushed to the brink of starvation
for the nursing home residents who aren't allowed to see their loved ones as they die in despair
for everyone to have the freedom to attend a funeral/wedding/etc
for the hundreds of millions of people who have had their livelihood taken away

I don't consider it to be nonsense to argue for these things.

I am here to give argue on behalf of all those who have had no consideration by our policy makers, no voice, no media attn, no daily sob stories... And I'm arguing on behalf of freedom.

Great stuff.

It is a travesty.

[tpols]

How does a bitchmade alt-posting jabroni like you find the nerve to ask how another poster ends up "lost"?

:roll:

Brutal.

[tpols]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6R_7Kxjqa4

People like you are why society is so easily manipulated. They told you to jump and you went through the ceiling.

[warriorfan]

Are you truly unaware of how stupid and gay you sound right now?


Next time just post a video of a white flag


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdcg738-Q70

:roll:

[baudkarma]

It's really funny when a sheep calls other people sheep and doesn't wake up to reality.

[Cleverness]

It's really funny when a sheep calls other people sheep and doesn't wake up to reality.

How many infections/deaths were prevented by Trump's Natl State of Emergency (which has enabled almost a full year of pseudoscience)?

What do you think the gov't should have done in April after the field hospitals were torn down & Navy ships sailed out?

[Axe]

It's really funny when a sheep calls other people sheep and doesn't wake up to reality.
It's like a lot of posters in this board; they're trolls who call other people trolls.

[Nanners]

Whats the over/Under on the amount of time until the "believe science" brigade starts guilt tripping people who dont want to bend over and submit to the ass swab covid test?

[SATAN]

I hope it gets enforced at your workplace tbh. If you work at all.

[Nanners]

I hope it gets enforced at your workplace tbh. If you work at all.

Thats cool ... I would probably wish the same for you if you werent the type of "guy" who enjoys having foreign objects in his ass

[HylianNightmare]

as an introvert I hope masks stick around forever. it's awesome

[Cleverness]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Etvpi93XUAAWMF8?format=jpg&name=small

[coin24]

Remember when everyone joked about wearing 2 or 3 masks and gloves...

Fauci now thinks 2 masks are more effective than 1:roll::roll: