Trade: Bucks send Bledsoe, Hill, picks to Pelicans for Jrue Holiday

[1987_Lakers]

Pelicans reportedly trading Jrue Holiday to Bucks (http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=24092)

[bison]

Nice move for Milwaukee. Makes it more likely Giannis will want to stay

[Proctor]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Hell of a heist for Milwaukee. Holiday is a flat out stud. I still don't trust any team lead by Giannis though.

[DMAVS41]

:banghead::banghead::banghead:

Hell of a heist for Milwaukee. Holiday is a flat out stud. I still don't trust any team lead by Giannis though.

The Pels got 3 first rounders and two pick swaps if early reporting is correct. In no way is that a heist for the Bucks...

[Proctor]

The Pels got 3 first rounders and two pick swaps if early reporting is correct. In no way is that a heist for the Bucks...
Ah, didn't read that far.

Still....what a vast improvement over Bledsoe. Night and day.

[DMAVS41]

Ah, didn't read that far.

Still....what a vast improvement over Bledsoe. Night and day.

Yes, but Hill was nice for them and while I really like Jrue, he isn't good enough to lock Giannis there. Hopefully the Bucks know that Giannis is very likely to stay or this could be ugly for them.

[Ben Simmons]

Terrible trade. If you were giving up the farm you could have got a star not a fringe star

[NBAGOAT]

bucks need a backup pg. i think there's a chance they got bogdan too since sacramento isnt in a position to compete. sign him for 3yrs 50 in a s/t and send back filler salary and the indiana pick

[DMAVS41]

I like the Bucks and Giannis so I hope this works out, but this trade is a costly reminder of how idiotic it was to let Malcolm walk. Ouch...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I love Holliday but that is way too much, unless Giannis said he would re-sign if they did it. Those picks could be really good.

[NBAGOAT]

I love Holliday but that is way too much, unless Giannis said he would re-sign if they did it. Those picks could be really good.

that's the rumor circulating. Giannis is likely to sign the extension before this season. if this is what it took to keep giannis, it's worth it lol

[Mr. Woke]

They should have tried harder to get CP3, not ****ing Jrue Holiday lol.

If I were Giannis, I would leave Milwaukee.

[light]

Is Holiday enough to make a difference? Is he even better than Bledsoe? I guess Milwaukee thinks so, but it's more like a lateral move to me.

[warriorfan]

https://i.postimg.cc/gJD9YRHt/AC2-E3-CE4-4-B2-D-4989-AF67-B81522-BB4-FB4.jpg

Hahaha

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

Bucking looking to get Bogdan from Sac in a sign and trade.

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1328569200479178756

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

NOP also gets 3 first and 2 pick swaps.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Damn, wish we could land him, but no way in hell are we going to give up 5 draft picks for just, Holiday. The Bucks probably did it for the assurance that Giannis was going to stay, which would make sense in this case. I am glad Sean Marks didnt try to beat that offer, we definitely cant afford to make the same mistake like we did in 2013. This aint a superstar player in his prime, its Holiday after all...

[lxlHoTsAuSelxl]

your probably right, Bucks got assurance from Giannis and is now going all in.

[Sulico]

Desperation move from Bucks.
This trade won't move a needle on the floor for Bucks. Holiday is marginally better player than Bledsoe if he is at all, and Hill is not useless too.
And they giving up 3!!! first round picks? If Giannis leaves next year this will be sad franchise to root for.

[Proctor]

Desperation move from Bucks.
This trade won't move a needle on the floor for Bucks. Holiday is marginally better player than Bledsoe if he is at all, and Hill is not useless too.
And they giving up 3!!! first round picks? If Giannis leaves next year this will be sad franchise to root for.

:biggums: :roll:

[NBAGOAT]

bucks just got bogdan in a s/t. the front office is forcing bud to play his starters since they have no bench now but a super starting lineup :oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

More LOLs

[Sulico]

:biggums: :roll:

Why are you laughing?
Does Jrue Holiday have some accomplishments or stats I don't know about?


Per36 2020 stats:

Jrue/Bledsoe

PTS: 19.8/19.9
REB: 5.0/6.2
AST: 6.9/7.2
STL: 1.7/1.2
BLK: 0.8/0.6
TOV: 3.1/3.2

Advanced:

Jrue/Bledsoe

TS%: .537/.571
PER: 17.0/17.6
WS48: .088/.157
BPM: 1.8/1.8
VORP: 2.0/1.6

I see no advantage in Holiday's favor at all. In fact they are pretty god damn similar players according to stats.
And last time I checked Jrue Holiday have no playoff success to brag about.
So what is your point?

[oldtimer28]

Why are you laughing?
Does Jrue Holiday have some accomplishments or stats I don't know about?


Per36 2020 stats:

Jrue/Bledsoe

PTS: 19.8/19.9
REB: 5.0/6.2
AST: 6.9/7.2
STL: 1.7/1.2
BLK: 0.8/0.6
TOV: 3.1/3.2

Advanced:

Jrue/Bledsoe

TS%: .537/.571
PER: 17.0/17.6
WS48: .088/.157
BPM: 1.8/1.8
VORP: 2.0/1.6

I see no advantage in Holiday's favor at all. In fact they are pretty god damn similar players according to stats.
And last time I checked Jrue Holiday have no playoff success to brag about.
So what is your point?

good post

[kumquat]

If anyone thinks Bledsoe is anywhere the player Holiday is doesn't watch basketball. If Giannis stays, the draft picks are almost worthless. Pels just screwed themselves getting anywhere near the playoffs for the next few years

[LoneyROY7]

If anyone thinks Bledsoe is anywhere the player Holiday is doesn't watch basketball. If Giannis stays, the draft picks are almost worthless. Pels just screwed themselves getting anywhere near the playoffs for the next few years

Because Jrue was leading them to the playoffs year after year, right? :oldlol:

[Stanley Kobrick]

pels must be packaging lonzo somewhere. i don't see his minutes with bledsoe and hill there

[iamgine]

Why are you laughing?
Does Jrue Holiday have some accomplishments or stats I don't know about?


Per36 2020 stats:

Jrue/Bledsoe

PTS: 19.8/19.9
REB: 5.0/6.2
AST: 6.9/7.2
STL: 1.7/1.2
BLK: 0.8/0.6
TOV: 3.1/3.2

Advanced:

Jrue/Bledsoe

TS%: .537/.571
PER: 17.0/17.6
WS48: .088/.157
BPM: 1.8/1.8
VORP: 2.0/1.6

I see no advantage in Holiday's favor at all. In fact they are pretty god damn similar players according to stats.
And last time I checked Jrue Holiday have no playoff success to brag about.
So what is your point?
One of the instances where stats are misleading. Jrue isn't some great star talent, but he's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe.

[tanibanana]

Bucks gave up too many 1st rounders, this trade is only good if Giannis stays.

[dbugz]

that's too much for Jrue.

Dude is good but he aint that far good compared to Bledsoe.

Not beating the Celtics. :pimp:

[ArbitraryWater]

I like the Bucks and Giannis so I hope this works out, but this trade is a costly reminder of how idiotic it was to let Malcolm walk. Ouch...

true, puts it in perspective.

still a good contend-now move for Milwaukee.

Jru is an all-star

[Sulico]

One of the instances where stats are misleading. Jrue isn't some great star talent, but he's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe.

What is it that makes you feel he's that good, if it's not the stats? It can't be his success, cus he ain't have any.

[iamgine]

What is it that makes you feel he's that good, if it's not the stats? It can't be his success, cus he ain't have any.

He's not that good, he's just a huge upgrade over Bledsoe.

[Sulico]

He's not that good, he's just a huge upgrade over Bledsoe.

Ok, what makes you think he's that much better than Bledsoe when their stats are nearly identical.

[iamgine]

Ok, what makes you think he's that much better than Bledsoe when their stats are nearly identical.
By watching of course.

[Sulico]

By watching of course.

Oh yeah. Greatest measurement in the world - eye test of some dude on the internet.

You sure know how to make your point. You must lawyer or something.

[Stephonit]

Oh yeah. Greatest measurement in the world - eye test of some dude on the internet.

You sure know how to make your point. You must lawyer or something.

The rap on Bledsoe is that he disappears in the playoffs. Jrue has a better reputation for maintaining a high level. There were people who thought he should have been all-defensive team last year. The Pelicans play in the Western Conference making playoffs berths harder and had the bad luck of running into the Warriors when they did make it.

[Sulico]

The rap on Bledsoe is that he disappears in the playoffs. Jrue has a better reputation for maintaining a high level. There were people who thought he should have been all-defensive team last year. The Pelicans play in the Western Conference making playoffs berths harder and had the bad luck of running into the Warriors when they did make it.

And I guess we know what Jrue does in the playoffs. Based on 9 games in 2018 and 3 games in 2015 before that.

[Stephonit]

And I guess we know what Jrue does in the playoffs. Based on 9 games in 2018 and 3 games in 2015 before that.

4 of the 9 games in 2018 was the Pelicans sweep of the Trail Blazers and Jrue was fantastic in that series neutralizing Lillard.

[Dbrog]

Lol... Bucks give up a PG sized deal for a player who is just... Good? Wtf happened here? Pelicans gonna make a huge move at some point with all these picks and I guarantee they would land someone better

[Jasper]

Terrible trade. If you were giving up the farm you could have got a star not a fringe star
EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is just Milwaukee foot print for decades , and they were on the cusp of winning a chip.
5 players they gut from their roster for TWO PLAYERS ... doesn't make sense at all.
I believe they shot themselves in the foot.
Granted George Hill is aging , but he has at least a couple years left, and even though his defense as not as good as 2 years
ago , he was the bucks stopper.
All I can say is thank god they got rid of Bledsoe.
Devinci' to Sacramento was a steal for the Kings.

Sorry but BAD TRADE

[Jasper]

I just wonder if the Bucks are going to pick up Rondo .. he was on their radar a while ago

[NBAGOAT]

People say mil could’ve gotten a star guard but who? Chris Paul makes too much money to also get bogdan and Kyle Lowry wasn’t available.

[iamgine]

Oh yeah. Greatest measurement in the world - eye test of some dude on the internet.

You sure know how to make your point. You must lawyer or something.

You're also free to watch if you don't believe. Stats are sometimes misleading.

[Jasper]

They should have tried harder to get CP3, not ****ing Jrue Holiday lol.

If I were Giannis, I would leave Milwaukee.

agree whole heartedly...
I would not put it past Giannis now to walk.
Here is the ting when Giannis came to Milwaukee , the staff showed he what America was all about.
They even taught him how to drive a vehicle.
He may feel indebted do a sign trade thing

[iamgine]

EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is just Milwaukee foot print for decades , and they were on the cusp of winning a chip.
5 players they gut from their roster for TWO PLAYERS ... doesn't make sense at all.
I believe they shot themselves in the foot.
Granted George Hill is aging , but he has at least a couple years left, and even though his defense as not as good as 2 years
ago , he was the bucks stopper.
All I can say is thank god they got rid of Bledsoe.
Devinci' to Sacramento was a steal for the Kings.

Sorry but BAD TRADE

I've got to believe Giannis signs off on all of these.

[Jasper]

pels must be packaging lonzo somewhere. i don't see his minutes with bledsoe and hill there

Boy I am hoping he lands in Milwaukee !!!

[Jasper]

Bucks front office has stated time after time , they want 1st class citizens in their organization , and character has a lot to do with
who they have on their roster..
eample - https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/30055080/new-orleans-pelicans-jrue-holiday-named-twyman-stokes-teammate-year

[Wally450]

Pelicans got themselves some nice pieces to build a solid team around Zion with.

[Dbrog]

pels must be packaging lonzo somewhere. i don't see his minutes with bledsoe and hill there

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Lonzo is much better than both of them..

[Kblaze8855]

He's not that good, he's just a huge upgrade over Bledsoe.

Chris Paul is a huge upgrade. Bledsoe is a good enough defender to almost take away Jrues advantage over most of the league. Both really good defensive not quite all stars with one being maybe a 9 defender instead of an 8.5 and both being average shooters or close to it.

Jrue is probably better but it’s not like from the outhouse to the penthouse the way people are acting.

[LAmbruh]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Lonzo is much better than both of them..

:facepalm:roll:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

don't really see it making bucks much better or worse. They lose a couple good players in Bledsoe/Hill and replace it with a good player in Jrue. It basically cancels itself out.

Jrue has never really been an efficient scorer besides the 1 season he played with Rondo. Not big enough to be a great defender either. This doesn't really make Bucs that much better at all.

[MaxPlayer]

Chris Paul is a huge upgrade. Bledsoe is a good enough defender to almost take away Jrues advantage over most of the league. Both really good defensive not quite all stars with one being maybe a 9 defender instead of an 8.5 and both being average shooters or close to it.

Jrue is probably better but it’s not like from the outhouse to the penthouse the way people are acting.

Maybe they feel like Giannis will erase so many defensive mistakes that they can sacrifice some perimeter D in exchange for more shooting and spacing.

[iamgine]

Chris Paul is a huge upgrade. Bledsoe is a good enough defender to almost take away Jrues advantage over most of the league. Both really good defensive not quite all stars with one being maybe a 9 defender instead of an 8.5 and both being average shooters or close to it.

Jrue is probably better but it’s not like from the outhouse to the penthouse the way people are acting.

I guess we'll see. To me jrue is like a level above bledsoe.

[Jasper]

Pelicans got themselves some nice pieces to build a solid team around Zion with.

ditto

[Doranku]

This trade just reeks of complete desperation. Like DMavs said, this trade really puts into perspective how stupid it was to let Brogdon go. They weren't okay with paying Brogdon, but now they're okay with crippling their future for a player that won't move the needle? How are these organizations so unbelievably inept?

[Axe]

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. Lonzo is much better than both of them..
He's actually a g-league player just like his former teammate kuzma is

[bladefd]

This trade just reeks of complete desperation. Like DMavs said, this trade really puts into perspective how stupid it was to let Brogdon go. They weren't okay with paying Brogdon, but now they're okay with crippling their future for a player that won't move the needle? How are these organizations so unbelievably inept?

It's a last final attempt to hold onto Giannis. If it works, great. If it doesn't, the executives get fired and team goes into rebuild for next decade.

[DMAVS41]

It's a last final attempt to hold onto Giannis. If it works, great. If it doesn't, the executives get fired and team goes into rebuild for next decade.

You'd have to think they know Giannis is staying to make this move. If they don't know with near certainty he is staying, this trade is absurd.

[DMAVS41]

This trade just reeks of complete desperation. Like DMavs said, this trade really puts into perspective how stupid it was to let Brogdon go. They weren't okay with paying Brogdon, but now they're okay with crippling their future for a player that won't move the needle? How are these organizations so unbelievably inept?

Not sure it should be stated as fact that Jrue won't move the needle. I think he is a considerable upgrade over Bledsoe/Hill...they'll be better when it matters most in my opinion.

I'm just not sure it is enough to put them over the top or Jrue is worth this much.

[NBAGOAT]

bogdan made up for this trade a little, they saved a first there imo. Their roster contruction is going be so different from last year. a very good starting 5 but very little money to spend on a bench, around 15-20mil for 8 guys. that's like one exception and all vet mins so even worse than the lakers last offseason.

I think it should benefit them with only 7-8 guys really getting minutes in the playoffs but bud better actually play his starters bigger minutes. I dont want to see any starter play sub 32mpg besides brook

[bladefd]

You'd have to think they know Giannis is staying to make this move. If they don't know with near certainty he is staying, this trade is absurd.

What choice did they have? The team they had didn't even make it to Eastern conference last year, and there is more competition this year with Nets in the mix. They had to do something to try to convince Giannis to stay, and that happens only if they get to conference finals & maybe reach finals.

[DMAVS41]

What choice did they have? The team they had didn't even make it to Eastern conference last year, and there is more competition this year with Nets in the mix. They had to do something to try to convince Giannis to stay, and that happens only if they get to conference finals & maybe reach finals.

I disagree.

If they don't have close to certainty he is coming back...this trade was idiotic. You only make this move once Giannis confirms he's signing and then you go all-in like this because he's so good that the draft assets aren't that valuable.

But if leaving is on the table...which I can't imagine it really is...this was just laughably stupid.

[iamgine]

I think it's almost certain that Giannis gives the go ahead in those trades in exchange of him staying with the Bucks. So it's less "hey lets sign these guys and hope it's enough for Giannis to stay" and more "hey Giannis, if we get these guys in exchange to these guys, will you resign?" I fully expect him to sign the super max soon.

[Dbrog]

I disagree.

If they don't have close to certainty he is coming back...this trade was idiotic. You only make this move once Giannis confirms he's signing and then you go all-in like this because he's so good that the draft assets aren't that valuable.

But if leaving is on the table...which I can't imagine it really is...this was just laughably stupid.

Exactly. If he didn't confirm he's signing by around the deadline, trade him for an insane haul of assets. It would have set them up much better than this trade will. It's especially stupid in a year that the Wolves and Warriors have been quite open about trading their top picks this season

[ImKobe]

Huge W for NO, though I don't really like Bledsoe, but the picks are a HUGE W and George Hill is a perfect 2nd unit guy for this team. Jrue's a really good player but was a terrible fit on this roster, will be interesting to see him and Giannis run the P&R, he's obviously a much better crunch time option than Bledsoe.

[bladefd]

I disagree.

If they don't have close to certainty he is coming back...this trade was idiotic. You only make this move once Giannis confirms he's signing and then you go all-in like this because he's so good that the draft assets aren't that valuable.

But if leaving is on the table...which I can't imagine it really is...this was just laughably stupid.

The other side is that if that they would only do this trade if Giannis was not decided. If they knew Giannis was staying, why would they give up all their depth? They have 7 players on the roster currently, are deep in luxury tax and have no money to spend except for 1 mle and minimum vet contracts. It's obvious they are trying to win now.

If they lose in 2nd round again, what do you think is going to happen? You think Giannis wants to stay if the team can't get past 2nd round year after year even after they went all-in this year?

[Jasper]

The other side is that if that they would only do this trade if Giannis was not decided. If they knew Giannis was staying, why would they give up all their depth? They have 7 players on the roster currently, are deep in luxury tax and have no money to spend except for 1 mle and minimum vet contracts. It's obvious they are trying to win now.

If they lose in 2nd round again, what do you think is going to happen? You think Giannis wants to stay if the team can't get past 2nd round year after year even after they went all-in this year?

If Giannis signs the extension , I don't think the Bucks would hold him hostage ...
They would get a pretty good trade , and I am sure the Knicks would give up 20 years of first picks lol

[DMAVS41]

The other side is that if that they would only do this trade if Giannis was not decided. If they knew Giannis was staying, why would they give up all their depth? They have 7 players on the roster currently, are deep in luxury tax and have no money to spend except for 1 mle and minimum vet contracts. It's obvious they are trying to win now.

If they lose in 2nd round again, what do you think is going to happen? You think Giannis wants to stay if the team can't get past 2nd round year after year even after they went all-in this year?

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying Giannis is going to sign before the supermax deadline...so your question about what happens with a 2nd round loss is not relevant.

If they did this deal without knowing with almost certainty that he's signing the supermax, they deserve whatever they get if he leaves...because only idiots would make this trade without Giannis coming back.

It just doesn't make any sense to do this deal for Jrue if Giannis leaving is still on the table. I like Jrue and definitely think the Bucks got better, but Jrue is nowhere near good enough to make this deal unless you know you have Giannis and are just making a push for the next few years to win as much as possible.

[Doranku]

Not sure it should be stated as fact that Jrue won't move the needle. I think he is a considerable upgrade over Bledsoe/Hill...they'll be better when it matters most in my opinion.

I'm just not sure it is enough to put them over the top or Jrue is worth this much.

Yeah that's kinda what I meant. They had the best record in the regular season the past two seasons. Putting them over the top and making them a legitimate contender would be what I consider moving the needle... and I don't think Jrue does that for the Bucks.

They still aren't on the level of the Lakers and Clippers, or the Nets if they land Harden.

[NBAGOAT]

if bogi falls through somehow, this becomes pretty bad unless giannis signs this offseason still(but even then not great). point of overpaying for jrue over someone like conley/kemba was to also have room for bogdan and potentially having a 3-4 yr window instead of 1-2

[DMAVS41]

Yeah that's kinda what I meant. They had the best record in the regular season the past two seasons. Putting them over the top and making them a legitimate contender would be what I consider moving the needle... and I don't think Jrue does that for the Bucks.

They still aren't on the level of the Lakers and Clippers, or the Nets if they land Harden.

I disagree. I think they are a legitimate contender, but I do agree that it doesn't create any separation from other elite teams.

[DMAVS41]

if bogi falls through somehow, this becomes pretty bad unless giannis signs this offseason still(but even then not great). point of overpaying for jrue over someone like conley/kemba was to also have room for bogdan and potentially having a 3-4 yr window instead of 1-2

If he doesn't sign before the Dec. 21st deadline this is huge trouble for the Bucks.

[NBAGOAT]

If he doesn't sign before the Dec. 21st deadline this is huge trouble for the Bucks.

yea with bogi i was really confident giannis would. without there's definitely a risk

[bladefd]

I don't think you are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying Giannis is going to sign before the supermax deadline...so your question about what happens with a 2nd round loss is not relevant.

If they did this deal without knowing with almost certainty that he's signing the supermax, they deserve whatever they get if he leaves...because only idiots would make this trade without Giannis coming back.

It just doesn't make any sense to do this deal for Jrue if Giannis leaving is still on the table. I like Jrue and definitely think the Bucks got better, but Jrue is nowhere near good enough to make this deal unless you know you have Giannis and are just making a push for the next few years to win as much as possible.

Okay, we will see. When's the deadline?

[DMAVS41]

Okay, we will see. When's the deadline?

Dec. 21 iirc.

If Giannis doesn't sign the supermax, time to panic for Bucks fans.