Misconceptions About Islam

[Agent_Zero]

I am Muslim not Moslem contradictory to popular belief and i feel the country and parts of the world do not understand my religion.

First of all, we believe there is only 1 god, Allah. He has no family members, no equals, no wife, son, daughter, father, nothing. He is one. The object of Islam is to give yourself up to Allah, which is why the very word Islam means submission.
If anyone has any questions, don't hesitate. such as do we believe in Jesus, or what we believe about the Apocalypse etc. etc.

[Wadeisabeast]

Are you a terrorist?

[bullsfan]

I am Muslim not Moslem contradictory to popular belief and i feel the country and parts of the world do not understand my religion.

First of all, we believe there is only 1 god, Allah. He has no family members, no equals, no wife, son, daughter, father, nothing. He is one. The object of Islam is to give yourself up to Allah, which is why the very word Islam means submission.
If anyone has any questions, don't hesitate. such as do we believe in Jesus, or what we believe about the Apocalypse etc. etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong Allah has no face or shape right

[Agent_Zero]

Are you a terrorist?
:rollingeyes:

[statman32]

What is the Islamic view on mazterbation?

[BradMiller52]

What is the Islamic view on mazterbation?


If they supported it you can bet Howard5Dirk41 would believe in Islam right away.

[Agent_Zero]

Correct me if I'm wrong Allah has no face or shape right
right

[Agent_Zero]

What is the Islamic view on mazterbation?


well it's not looked upon nicely but it's ok, as long as you are not commited to anyone in a relationship.

[Agent_Zero]

If they supported it you can bet Howard5Dirk41 would believe in Islam right away.
:roll:

[KINGofTHEcourt]

Is it true that Islam accepts some profits from CHristianity such as Jesus, and some other guys?

What are the turbans and others clothing items for?

[Hawker]

What kind of problems do some islamic people in the middle east have with the society of america?

[-primetime-]

are you an arab?

and if yes...where are you from?

[Agent_Zero]

Is it true that Islam accepts some profits from CHristianity such as Jesus, and some other guys?

What are the turbans and others clothing items for?

We believe in Jesus yet we do not call him that. His name is Prophet Isa and he is not related to Allah in anyway, shape or form.


Another misconception. The only religious sect that wears turbans are Sikhs.

[Agent_Zero]

What kind of problems do some islamic people in the middle east have with the society of america?


Mostly that we are the world power right now and our customs and traditions irritate them. Mostly it is because of Bush's actions.

[Agent_Zero]

are you an arab?

and if yes...where are you from?


No, I am not arabi. I am pakistani.

[-primetime-]

is it true that heaven is a place where you get to nail a bunch a virgins for eternity and if so are you alowed to request a pro....or a women that knows what she is doing.

virgins can be very boring in the sack if you know what I mean

[Agent_Zero]

is it true that heaven is a place where you get to nail a bunch a virgins for eternity and if so are you alowed to request a pro....or a women that knows what she is doing.

virgins can be very boring in the sack if you know what I mean


heaven or jannah will be the ultimate fantasy. you will be perfectly fit and have your own palace. And, yes you will be served with the finest of experienced woman. There are 7 levels of heaven. Each one progresses in greatness. On the 7th level, are the prophets and Allah. It is very rare to be on that level. Prayer is not mandatory, all laws of Islam is extinguished. You have already paid your dues, smoke, get high, drunk, as much as you want. You still have the option of praying of course.

[brwnman]

reported...

[gts]

is it true that heaven is a place where you get to nail a bunch a virgins for eternity and if so are you alowed to request a pro....or a women that knows what she is doing.

virgins can be very boring in the sack if you know what I meani think that's if you sacrifice yourself or give your life in he name of allah in some form or another you recieve the virgins..

[Agent_Zero]

are you an idiot? it's probihited, period...


i guess it's different.

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heaven or jannah will be the ultimate fantasy. you will be perfectly fit and have your own palace. And, yes you will be served with the finest of experienced woman. There are 7 levels of heaven. Each one progresses in greatness. On the 7th level, are the prophets and Allah. It is very rare to be on that level. Prayer is not mandatory, all laws of Islam is extinguished. You have already paid your dues, smoke, get high, drunk, as much as you want. You still have the option of praying of course.
ok....so our souls will have hormones and we will still want to get some...

what about the women, do they get nailed by big virgin men for eternity or are they forced to serve us men...?

[Agent_Zero]

ok....so our souls will have hormones and we will still want to get some...

what about the women, do they get nailed by big virgin men for eternity or are they forced to serve us men...?


your wife will not join you. they are free to do as they please.

[AtTheDriveIn]

are you an arab?

and if yes...where are you from?

Are you the most arrogant son of a ***** in the world. Not all Muslims are Arabs.

[Agent_Zero]

Are you the most arrogant son of a ***** in the world. Not all Muslims are Arabs.


calm down dude, he's asking questions.

[-primetime-]

your wife will not join you. they are free to do as they please.
so our souls have genitals....and we get to have sex with virgin souls....interesting

are there any STDs up there, will we have to purchase condoms?

[-primetime-]

Are you the most arrogant son of a ***** in the world. Not all Muslims are Arabs.
that's why I asked him you dip sh-it

if i thought all muslims where then why would I ask?

[Agent_Zero]

so our souls have genitals....and we get to have sex with virgin souls....interesting

are there any STDs up there, will we have to purchase condoms?


Disease is nonexistent.

However in hell, disease is the air you breathe.

[-primetime-]

Disease is nonexistent.

However in hell, disease is the air you breathe.
are we still flesh and bone?

[Rameek]

How do you view the differences between a moslem and muslim?
How do you view the differences between sunni and shia (shi-ite)?

[Agent_Zero]

are we still flesh and bone?



that, i am not sure of. Most likely, yes but with enhanced features such as everyone will be extremely physically fit.

[poorlilrich]

Are you the most arrogant son of a ***** in the world. Not all Muslims are Arabs.

all muslims may not be arabs, but all arabs are terrorists and Atthedrivin is a temperamental son of a *****.

[Agent_Zero]

How do you view the differences between a moslem and muslim?
How do you view the differences between sunni and shia (shi-ite)?


1. Same thing

2. Sunnis were the people who thought anyone could takeover for the last Prophet Mohammed, not just his family. Shias thought that only his family could takeover. Thus a schism.

[poorlilrich]

here is a question for you Agent Zero


Can Muslims marry out of their religion?

[BradMiller52]

Mostly that we are the world power right now and our customs and traditions irritate them. Mostly it is because of Bush's actions.


Fair enough I guess. A lot of people over here don't like what Bush has done, and they are the main ones being affected by a lot of his decisions. People from their family(in Iraq) might have died, etc. If I was in the Middle East and someone from my family was injured/effected by the war in Iraq I'd be hateful towards the US. Heck even if I was in the Middle East I'd be annoyed/pissed that someone was messing with my region.

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are women aloud to have sex for pleasure...or just to reproduce?

[Agent_Zero]

here is a question for you Agent Zero


Can Muslims marry out of their religion?


A few Muslims i know have married out of their religions and there seems nothing wrong with it. Though it is not looked upon highly. Usually, they have the spouse convert, but if not, it's not a big deal. So basically yes, but very few muslims choose that path.

[Agent_Zero]

are women aloud to have sex for pleasure...or just to reproduce?



pleasure is the key. So yes, they are allowed. BUT during the month of Ramadan, the month of fasting, no intercourse, smoking, cursing, or any bad behavior is allowed.

[Agent_Zero]

Fair enough I guess. A lot of people over here don't like what Bush has done, and they are the main ones being affected by a lot of his decisions. People from their family(in Iraq) might have died, etc. If I was in the Middle East and someone from my family was injured/effected by the war in Iraq I'd be hateful towards the US. Heck even if I was in the Middle East I'd be annoyed/pissed that someone was messing with my region.

Exactly.

[poorlilrich]

pleasure is the key. So yes, they are allowed. BUT during the month of Ramadan, the month of fasting, no intercourse, smoking, cursing, or any bad behavior is allowed.

what if you overhear someone in your family cursing or see someone smoking, do you have to tell the head of your house or the priest (is that what they are called?)?

[The Italian]

Are you the most arrogant son of a ***** in the world. Not all Muslims are Arabs.
What was wrong with the question he asked?

[Agent_Zero]

what if you overhear someone in your family cursing or see someone smoking, do you have to tell the head of your house or the priest (is that what they are called?)?


telling on a fellow muslim brother is prohibited, unless it is something extreme, such as thoughts of suicide, which is an automatic ticket to hell. They will pay for it in afterlife.

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Fair enough I guess. A lot of people over here don't like what Bush has done, and they are the main ones being affected by a lot of his decisions. People from their family(in Iraq) might have died, etc. If I was in the Middle East and someone from my family was injured/effected by the war in Iraq I'd be hateful towards the US. Heck even if I was in the Middle East I'd be annoyed/pissed that someone was messing with my region.
first off...Bush didn't cause 9/11

they hated us before Bush did anything at all

second....much of Iraq is upset tht we didn't come sooner....I have freinds over there and some of the citizens treat them like gods....those people weren't allowed to use cell phones until now.

you saw them draging Sadam's statue around....they loved it. His people where raping and killing the citizens at will....they are very happy he is gone.

[poorlilrich]

telling on a fellow muslim brother is prohibited, unless it is something extreme, such as thoughts of suicide, which is an automatic ticket to hell. They will pay for it in afterlife.

Wow i never knew that; so is it prohibited to report a crime to the cops or to testify in court?

[Hawker]

first off...Bush didn't cause 9/11

they hated us before Bush did anything at all

second....much of Iraq is upset tht we didn't come sooner....I have freinds over there and some of the citizens treat them like gods....those people weren't allowed to use cell phones until now.

you saw them draging Sadam's statue around....they loved it. His people where raping and killing the citizens at will....they are very happy he is gone.

the place still isnt any better then it was.

[BradMiller52]

the place still isnt any better then it was.


Exactly.

[Agent_Zero]

Wow i never knew that; so is it prohibited to report a crime to the cops or to testify in court?


no no that stuff is not prohibited. it's just like little things, such as if you a fellow muslim smoking or cursing during ramadan, it would be good if you told them to stop, but they will get punished in the day of judgement. but only little things, if it's a felony, then of course, you have to.

[sydneyking]

Do you actually believe in a magical kingdom where you get the finest selection of pu$sy on offer? :oldlol:

This sounds crazier than scientology.

[Agent_Zero]

Do you actually believe in a magical kingdom where you get the finest selection of pu$sy on offer? :oldlol:

This sounds crazier than scientology.


it's not like it's handed to you on a silver platter. you have to work for it. do good deeds, be a good person.

it's called religion, and i'm sorry if you don't agree.

[Hawker]

Why is your religion true and the others arent? I am not religious btw.

[AtTheDriveIn]

all muslims may not be arabs, but all arabs are terrorists and Atthedrivin is a temperamental son of a *****.

Yeah, that's it man. All Arabs are terrorists. Do these guys look like terrorist to you?

http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/imgs/content/13419-two-children.jpg

Get your **** right before you go ahead and talk like a redneck.

[Hawker]

Yeah, that's it man. All Arabs are terrorists. Do these guys look like terrorist to you?

http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/imgs/content/13419-two-children.jpg

Get your **** right before you go ahead and talk like a redneck.



ATthedrivein...they are being sarcastic.

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the place still isnt any better then it was.
less people are dieing...

I have seen reports that Sadam's regeim was killing hundreds of his own citizens every day...

they were also very big on torture....when Iraqi olyimpic athletes failed to win a medal he would drag them around tied to a horse and drag them through broken glass and then he would throw them in raw sewage so that all the cuts would get infected...that was not a happy place to be.

here you go:

As president of the Iraqi National Olympic Committee, Uday allegedly tortures athletes for losing games. He sticks them in prison for days or months at a time. Has them beaten with iron bars. Caned on the soles of their feet. Chained to walls and left to stay in contorted positions for days. Dragged on pavement until their backs are bloody, then dunked in sewage to ensure the wounds become infected. If Uday stops by a player's jail cell, he might urinate on his bowed, shaven head. Just to humiliate him.

http://espn.go.com/oly/s/2002/1220/1480103.html


the problem now though is that even democrates don't beleive we should leave Iraq...right now only 20 -30 people die every day but they predict that once the US pulls out that number will be around 30,000 a day due to complete civil war....we are in a pickle, that is for sure.

but don't for one second think that taking out Saddam was a bad thing...

[Agent_Zero]

Why is your religion true and the others arent? I am not religious btw.


That is a good question. To be honest, i really don't know. Mainly i think it's true, because i grew up learning and being influenced by it just like Jews, Christians, Mormons, Buddhists grow up thinking their religion is right and the rest of us are fools. I could be wrong, my parents could be wrong, the entire religion could be wrong. But there's a strong possibility it's not. We'll just have to wait and see.

[sydneyking]

it's called religion, and i'm sorry if you don't agree.
Have you ever asked yourself whether it could all be bullsh!t? I mean, doesn't it sound totally ****ing stupid?

[poorlilrich]

Yeah, that's it man. All Arabs are terrorists. Do these guys look like terrorist to you?

http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/imgs/content/13419-two-children.jpg

Get your **** right before you go ahead and talk like a redneck.

If you go back to the village, I guarantee the house behind them is no more, so is the cameraman.

Those little rascals are probably hiding weapons of mass destruction in their hat and hood.

What a bunch of sneaky bastards. We should blow up that ***** and be done with it.


I hope to God no one is actually believing me

[AtTheDriveIn]

ATthedrivein...they are being sarcastic.

I don't care, it's nothing to joke about in the first place. Sarcasm is a form of joking.

[Hawker]

less people are dieing...

I have seen reports that Sadam's regeim was killing hundreds of his own citizens every day...

they were also very big on torture....when Iraqi olyimpic athletes failed to win a medal he would drag them around tied to a horse and drag them through broken glass and then he would throw them in raw sewage so that all the cuts would get infected...that was not a happy place to be.

here you go:

As president of the Iraqi National Olympic Committee, Uday allegedly tortures athletes for losing games. He sticks them in prison for days or months at a time. Has them beaten with iron bars. Caned on the soles of their feet. Chained to walls and left to stay in contorted positions for days. Dragged on pavement until their backs are bloody, then dunked in sewage to ensure the wounds become infected. If Uday stops by a player's jail cell, he might urinate on his bowed, shaven head. Just to humiliate him.

http://espn.go.com/oly/s/2002/1220/1480103.html


the problem now though is that even democrates don't beleive we should leave Iraq...right now only 20 -30 people die every day but they predict that once the US pulls out that number will be around 30,000 a day due to complete civil war....we are in a pickle, that is for sure.

but don't for one second think that taking out Saddam was a bad thing...

Ya, he was a bad person but why choose Saddam? There are other leaders/terrorists out there we could be taking out.

At least there was control in iraq before we went there and not an all out civil war. This **** has turned against us more than once.

[Agent_Zero]

Have you ever asked yourself whether it could all be bullsh!t? I mean, doesn't it sound totally ****ing stupid?


i have and it sounds flat out unbelievable but far from ridiculous.

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Ya, he was a bad person but why choose Saddam? There are other leaders/terrorists out there we could be taking out.

At least there was control in iraq before we went there and not an all out civil war. This **** has turned against us more than once.
who?

there is only one that is even comparable and that is that midget in north Korea...

he might get the same that saddam did though.....give it some time.

[Agent_Zero]

Ya, he was a bad person but why choose Saddam? There are other leaders/terrorists out there we could be taking out.

At least there was control in iraq before we went there and not an all out civil war. This **** has turned against us more than once.


exactly. if we withdraw now, they will think we are vulnerable and will attack us more.

[SoCalMike]

So will the middle east and extremist muslim religion be the catalyst to armageddon?



:pimp:

[sydneyking]

i have and it sounds flat out unbelievable but far from ridiculous.

Well it's good to know that the people who are trying to ruin the world aren't guided by some deluded fantasy :rolleyes:

[AtTheDriveIn]

Ya, he was a bad person but why choose Saddam? There are other leaders/terrorists out there we could be taking out.

At least there was control in iraq before we went there and not an all out civil war. This **** has turned against us more than once.

Why attack Iraq? Because, it's to get everyones mind off 9/11. They don't want people squandering, and waiting in fear for the next attack. The people wanted America to do something, anything, to show they were in control. First, and rightfully so, they go to find Osama, which didn't work out because he's probably dead. The decision to go to Iraq wasn't a good one, but it gives America the upper hand, and it gives them control, and that's what the people want.

[Agent_Zero]

So will the middle east and extremist muslim religion be the catalyst to armageddon?



:pimp:

uhh no?

[Agent_Zero]

Well it's good to know that people who are trying to ruin the world aren't guided by some deluded fantasy :rolleyes:


whatever you want to believe, go ahead. i'm not stopping you.

[brwnman]

anyone with half a brain should be able to tell that Agent Zero is trying to tarnish the image of Islam... he has no idea of what he speaks of... he is saying pure bullsh!t....

[SoCalMike]

uhh no?

Why do you say no? Seriously...



:pimp:

[Agent_Zero]

Why do you say no? Seriously...



:pimp:


the extremists will not be responsible for the end of the world. i can guarantee that. it will be something far far worse.

[SoCalMike]

anyone with half a brain should be able to tell that Agent Zero is trying to tarnish the image of Islam... he has no idea of what he speaks of... he is saying pure bullsh!t....

are you knowledgeable in this subject matter? if so, why not refute some of his assertions rather than complain?



:pimp:

[Agent_Zero]

anyone with half a brain should be able to tell that Agent Zero is trying to tarnish the image of Islam... he has no idea of what he speaks of... he is saying pure bullsh!t....


i'm saying what i know.

do you want to help?

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Well it's good to know that the people who are trying to ruin the world aren't guided by some deluded fantasy :rolleyes:
this religion isn't any dumber that christianity

Adam and Eve....Noah's ark....Moses parting the ocean

all regions are ridiculous....not just this one...

the world would be a better place if we could just all get together and admitt we don't know what the hell hapens when you die....we are clueless and religion is just our way of explaining our existance

[gts]

i have and it sounds flat out unbelievable but far from ridiculous.to question ones faith is a pefectly normal part of a persons growth... many religious leaders have not only questioned their faith but in some cases god himslef...

[Agent_Zero]

to question ones faith is a pefectly normal part of a persons growth... many religious leaders have not only questioned their faith but in some cases god himslef...


of course.

[sydneyking]

I'm not religious, BTW.

[Agent_Zero]

I'm not religious, BTW.

i figured

[AtTheDriveIn]

this religion isn't any dumber that christianity

Adam and Eve....Noah's ark....Moses parting the ocean

all regions are ridiculous....not just this one...

the world would be a better place if we could just all get together and admitt we don't know what the hell hapens when you die....we are clueless and religion is just our way of explaining our existance

In the end, we'll find something else to fight about, though. Have you seen the South Park episode, where they're all Athiest, and it's like a catalyst for the future, and when they cut to the future, the Athiest Union of the right is fighting against the Athiest Alliance of the left, or something like that, don't remember what exactly. That's exactly the kind of crap that's probably going to happen if we give up on religion.

[brwnman]

are you knowledgeable in this subject matter? if so, why not refute some of his assertions rather than complain?


:pimp:

I felt that there was no need for me to say anything assuming that people would soon figure out he doesn't know sh!t... as i said, half a brain is all you need, I guess you lack it and for the purpose of your amusement, I'll put a pimp emoticon as well...

:pimp: ...

[gts]

this religion isn't any dumber that christianity

Adam and Eve....Noah's ark....Moses parting the ocean

all regions are ridiculous....not just this one...

the world would be a better place if we could just all get together and admitt we don't know what the hell hapens when you die....we are clueless and religion is just our way of explaining our existanceyou have to remeber that when most of these stories were told the view of the world was much different, they belived the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth, so beliveing that a sea could be parted or a ship built that could carry every animal on the earth x2 was very beliveable to the masses...most societies that relayed then retold these stories were down trodden societies or in the middle of horrific strife be it war, famine or diesese so it gave them a positive light in a dark period and also enabled few to control many peacefully...

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you have to remeber that when most of these stories were told the view of the world was much different, they belived the world was flat and the sun revolved around the earth, so beliveing that a sea could be parted or a ship built that could carry every animal on the earth x2 was very beliveable to the masses...most societies that relayed then retold these stories were down trodden societies or in the middle of horrific strife be it war, famine or diesese so it gave them a positive light in a dark period and also enabled few to control many peacefully...
ok, but that doesn't mean that those stories are any less ridiculous today...there are thousands of christians that still believe in that crap.

[Hawker]

I felt that there was no need for me to say anything assuming that people would soon figure out he doesn't know sh!t... as i said, half a brain is all you need, I guess you lack it and for the purpose of your amusement, I'll put a pimp emoticon as well...

:pimp: ...

maybe if we had a half a brain of a SOMEWHAT EXPOSED MUSLIM...It's easy for someone to believe something if they have never heard it before and the person who is telling them is a supposed expert.

Dont act like you're smart.

[brwnman]

maybe if we had a half a brain of a SOMEWHAT EXPOSED MUSLIM...It's easy for someone to believe something if they have never heard it before and the person who is telling them is a supposed expert.

Dont act like you're smart.

actually this really has nothing to do with being smart...


You have already paid your dues, smoke, get high, drunk, as much as you want.

if you believe a guy who says this (for islam), then you have to question your insanity as a human... when it is well-known that muslims are prohibited from drinking and the use of drugs...



well it's not looked upon nicely but it's ok, as long as you are not commited to anyone in a relationship.

he also said that *********ion is allowed in Islam, which cannot be more further from the truth... it is strongly prohibited...



Sunnis were the people who thought anyone could takeover for the last Prophet Mohammed, not just his family. Shias thought that only his family could takeover

this is not common sense, but I can tell you that this is also untrue, further illustrating my point that he does not have a clue of what he speaks...


A few Muslims i know have married out of their religions and there seems nothing wrong with it. Though it is not looked upon highly. Usually, they have the spouse convert, but if not, it's not a big deal. So basically yes, but very few muslims choose that path.

a muslim cannot marry out of the religion, period...


such as thoughts of suicide, which is an automatic ticket to hell.

negative thoughts do not amount to anything when deciding between heaven or hell, but if you have a good thought (doesn't have to be followed by an action), it counts as a good deed even though a deed hasn't occurred...

[Hawker]

actually this really has nothing to do with being smart...



if you believe a guy who says this (for islam), then you have to question your insanity as a human... when it is well-known that muslims are prohibited from drinking and the use of drugs...



he also said that *********ion is allowed in Islam, which cannot be more further from the truth... it is strongly prohibited...



this is not common sense, but I can tell you that this is also untrue, further illustrating my point that he does not have a clue of what he speaks...



a muslim cannot marry out of the religion, period...



negative thoughts do not amount to anything when deciding between heaven or hell, but if you have a good thought (doesn't have to be followed by an action), it counts as a good deed even though a deed hasn't occurred...

see...if i knew anything about islam then ya i could see why he is dumb but i dont.

BTW im going to a muslim country in two weeks (malaysia). Should be nice but I just have to make sure not to act disorderly.

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actually this really has nothing to do with being smart...



if you believe a guy who says this (for islam), then you have to question your insanity as a human... when it is well-known that muslims are prohibited from drinking and the use of drugs...



he also said that *********ion is allowed in Islam, which cannot be more further from the truth... it is strongly prohibited...



this is not common sense, but I can tell you that this is also untrue, further illustrating my point that he does not have a clue of what he speaks...



a muslim cannot marry out of the religion, period...



negative thoughts do not amount to anything when deciding between heaven or hell, but if you have a good thought (doesn't have to be followed by an action), it counts as a good deed even though a deed hasn't occurred...
are you muslim?

[WhiteMosɘs]

was wondering that myself

[brwnman]

yes I am...

[-primetime-]

yes I am...
ok...so tell me about heaven and the virgins thing

and are you arab and if so what nationality are you?

[brwnman]

ok...so tell me about heaven and the virgins thing

and are you arab and if so what nationality are you?

I am not gonna sit here and act like a scholar, because i'm not... I can only comment on stuff that I know about... as for the afterlife, the virgin thing is all his made-up fantasy... unless if he can come up with quranic verses or hadeeths to prove his facts, till then, that is all a lie...

I am not arab exactly, tho I was born in Saudi Arabia... but my dad's from pakistan and mom's from somalia, so i'm a bit of both I guess...

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I am not gonna sit here and act like a scholar, because i'm not... I can only comment on stuff that I know about... as for the afterlife, the virgin thing is all his made-up fantasy... unless if he can come up with quranic verses or hadeeths to prove his facts, till then, that is all a lie...

I am not arab exactly, tho I was born in Saudi Arabia... but my dad's from pakistan and mom's from somalia, so i'm a bit of both I guess...
the virgin thing is something i heard about after 9/11.

there is truth to it

[brwnman]

the virgin thing is something i heard about after 9/11.

there is truth to it

exactly what are you referring to when saying the virgin thing... I hope we're on the same page... debrief on what agent zero said so I can tell you from what I know if it is right or wrong...

[LakerRaider]

We believe in Jesus yet we do not call him that. His name is Prophet Isa and he is not related to Allah in anyway, shape or form.


Another misconception. The only religious sect that wears turbans are Sikhs.


Muslim scholars and imams wear turbans. The Muslim scholars and imams who wear black turbans are direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed. Those who wear white turbans are religious scholars and imams, but they are not direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed.

[-primetime-]

exactly what are you referring to when saying the virgin thing... I hope we're on the same page... debrief on what agent zero said so I can tell you from what I know if it is right or wrong...

something about getting 72 virgins when you die...that is what heaven is, an eternity of sex with young virgins

http://www.topix.net/forum/world/denmark/TM0E8E0TVSCU08KMC

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/heaven.html

[brwnman]

Muslim scholars and imams wear turbans. The Muslim scholars and imams who wear black turbans are direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed. Those who wear white turbans are religious scholars and imams, but they are not direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed.

correct... we say turban but i believe the proper word is amameh, i believe the word is persian...

[LakerRaider]

Mostly that we are the world power right now and our customs and traditions irritate them. Mostly it is because of Bush's actions.


Our customs and traditions do not irritate them. The people who hate America's traditions and customs are in the minority. There are tons of McDonalds, Burger Kings, Applebees, T.G.I.Fridays, Johnny Rockets, Kenny Roger's Roasters, and so on. They're also thinking of building a Hooter's in the United Arab Emirates.

They listen to hip hop, rap, and R&B. The past few years, the Middle East has seen a rise in Arab Hip-Hop, a genre and custom started in the United States that you claim Arabs hate, which is not true at all.

American and Western music is a big deal over there.

They watch the same programs everybody else over here does; 24, Prison Break, you name it, they probably watch it.

The Harlem Globetrotters used to go to one of the Middle Eastern countries and play over there.

Your customs and traditions rant is not that accurate.

[LakerRaider]

correct... we say turban but i believe the proper word is amameh, i believe the word is persian...


That's true. Both Arabs and Persians say amameh.

[LakerRaider]

heaven or jannah will be the ultimate fantasy. you will be perfectly fit and have your own palace. And, yes you will be served with the finest of experienced woman. There are 7 levels of heaven. Each one progresses in greatness. On the 7th level, are the prophets and Allah. It is very rare to be on that level. Prayer is not mandatory, all laws of Islam is extinguished. You have already paid your dues, smoke, get high, drunk, as much as you want. You still have the option of praying of course.


Again, another misconception. The women part and dining and wining with virgins is a total misconception.

[LakerRaider]

pleasure is the key. So yes, they are allowed. BUT during the month of Ramadan, the month of fasting, no intercourse, smoking, cursing, or any bad behavior is allowed.


It is forbidden in any religion, I believe, to have pre-marital sex. No intercourse is not only abided during the month of Ramadhan, but also all months until you are married.

[LakerRaider]

telling on a fellow muslim brother is prohibited, unless it is something extreme, such as thoughts of suicide, which is an automatic ticket to hell. They will pay for it in afterlife.


What??? Telling on a fellow Muslim brother is prohibited??? So people walk around in turbans with a "No Snitching" shirt on??? You're misinformed or maybe created this account as a dummy account.

[reppy]

I've heard that it's OK for men to *********e but not for women. I had a Muslim friend (female) look this up. I have also read an interview with a female Muslim sex therapist from Egypt. She has her own TV show or something once a week. People call in and ask for Islamic sex advice. (Basically, **** sex and out of wedlock relationships are out of the question. Everything else I think she'll discuss.)

Also, I don't really want to get into a lengthy discussion about Iraq but I will say this:

- An Iraqi wrestler that helped pull down the status of Saddam says he now regrets it. Many have said their lives were better under Saddam.
- Iraqis might have cell phones now (woohoo!), but they still struggle with things like water and electricity.
- Far more than 20-30 people die in Iraq every single day from sectarian violence. 20-30 people die in a single attack in many cases.
- Turkey has threatened to invade Iraq if the US does not stop the Kurdish terrorist group PKK(?) from attacking them.
- Saudi Arabia has threatened to invade Iraq if it looks like too many Sunnis are being killed.
- If a pro-US, pro-Israel government is ever installed, it's also possible that Iran will start meddling even more in Iraq.
- So many educated individuals have left Iraq that the government passed a law stating you have to serve in the Iraqi army before you're allowed to receive your college diploma.

All is not well in Iraq. I know the right-wing likes to say the "good stuff" isn't getting through the "filter". But is it really that good that people have cell phones? Incredible. I'm amazed. That was worth it, right? Iraqis have cell phones now! T-Mobile AT&Tomplished!

The blog at www.juancole.com is a great resource for information on the Middle East.

Here's a good quote: "Authorities are having a 10-foot-deep ditch dug around the *****e holy city of Karbala, in hopes of keeping criminal elments out fo the city."

Does that sound like things are doing well in Iraq?

[sydneyking]

I definitely think that Muslim women are treated like sh!t. I've known quite a few as well, but it's too sensitive an issue to bring up.

[shadow]

I just wanted to say that a lot of things people say you can and cannot do in Islam is not really written anywhere. Besides the Quran, Islamic law is based on Hadith which are events and quotes from the prophet's life which were well documented. There's tons of them floating around but scholars have identified the works of about 3-4 documentors as the only ones which are considered authentic.

Regarding sex and *********ion, this is my personal view but I refuse to believe God would make people have to worry about mundane rules like that. I understand prohibiting sex outside of marriage due to the risks of pregnancy, but its sheer torture to make a boy or girl go through puberty without allowing them to *********e, especially if you're not allowing sex in the first place. Its the most natural thing in the world and kids do it based on instinct and here we have adults telling them they'll go to hell for it. Idiots.

Its amazing the crap rules I've heard people come up with that you need to follow to be a good "Muslim." I've heard **** like you need to keep an unkempt beard, to making sure your the leg of your pants stop short above your ankles before praying. Does God really give a crap about **** like that? I'd like to think not.

Anyway I think I just went off on a 2am rant. Sorry if I offended someone.

[Jabes]

he also said that *********ion is allowed in Islam, which cannot be more further from the truth... it is strongly prohibited...


Are you a muslim?


yes I am...

You don't arm wrestle the one-eyed vessel?!? Have you ever tried it? I'm amazed/impressed/bewildered/terrified... how do you make it through the day?

[RainierBeachPoet]

Muslim scholars and imams wear turbans. The Muslim scholars and imams who wear black turbans are direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed. Those who wear white turbans are religious scholars and imams, but they are not direct descendants of the Prophet Mohammed.

thanks for starting this thread; i am just catching up with it now...

can anyone comment on islams intellectual tradition?

the few muslims that i have met are good people just trying to live life and provide for their families. it is the few extremists (like in any religion) that give the majority a bad name

i read an article by a muslim woman (sorry i cant remember her name) that commented that islam needs a "reformation" akin to christianity's protestant reformers luther and calvin as a means of purification of how islam is interpreted by its religious leaders and can give it a means for self correction

i thought the idea was fascinating but i havent looked deeper into it myself. any thoughts?

[gb8]

thanks for starting this thread; i am just catching up with it now...

can anyone comment on islams intellectual tradition?

the few muslims that i have met are good people just trying to live life and provide for their families. it is the few extremists (like in any religion) that give the majority a bad name

i read an article by a muslim woman (sorry i cant remember her name) that commented that islam needs a "reformation" akin to christianity's protestant reformers luther and calvin as a means of purification of how islam is interpreted by its religious leaders and can give it a means for self correction

i thought the idea was fascinating but i havent looked deeper into it myself. any thoughts?

The problem with islam is that it more clearly then chirstianity shows how a society should be set up. The sharia is in itself an all emcompassing social moral and judicial structure which according to islamic doctrine is basicly how god wants society to be governed and set up. Islam does enshrine many positive laws for its citizxens, both men and women. For instance women have the right to own land and property and the right to divorce, which obviously all help greatly in empowering women. In my view the problem and clash arises when sharia is applied to ways in which society is structured today in terms of the capitalist structure, it is here is becomes incompatible to a large defree. As far as my understanding goes sharia is concerned with creating two parralel societies for women and men with limited interaction between the two. This means that if the world is dominated by men women are already clearly at a disadvantageous position. This combined with the fact that sharia law requires two womens testimony in court to equal the testimony of one man means that women are definitely at a disadvantageous position of power in society in islam.

[shafir]

Why is your religion true and the others arent? I am not religious btw.
I'm Muslim as well, and I think I have a decent answer for this question. It is prohibited in Islam to conduct prayer in any other language but Arabic, and Quran's that have been translated from Arabic to a different language are also not allowed to be used in prayer. Basically, it is prohibited to translate the Quran. That being said, Muslim's respect Christian's and Jews as people of the book(from the same God) However, we believe that over time, the books have been corrupted by humans, changed, and manipulated. The fact that the Quran has remained the same makes Islam more accurate(in our eyes) To be honest, the Quran may still have been manipulated with, even though I don't believe it has, but it would still be more accurate then the other books.

[shafir]

There are around 1.4 billion people that practice Islam.Out of that, maybe 20 million(even that number sounds too extravagant) have beliefs that can be considered radical, and have terrorist like beliefs. That is literally less then 2% of Muslims, and they give us all a bad name. Most of you probably have never heard of the country Bangladesh(where I come from)That is a 90% Muslim country, has about 150 million people, but because the radical Islamic view is not very representative, nobody hears about this country. The only Islamic countries that are represented by the media are the countries that the US has problems with, thus giving Muslims a terrible name.

[apriorist]

the place still isnt any better then it was.

It's worse. But still, Primetime is right that 9/11 (plus the first WTC attack in 1993, plus all the other terrorist attacks) were not Bush's fault.

[gb8]

There are around 1.4 billion people that practice Islam.Out of that, maybe 20 million(even that number sounds too extravagant) have beliefs that can be considered radical, and have terrorist like beliefs. That is literally less then 2% of Muslims, and they give us all a bad name. Most of you probably have never heard of the country Bangladesh(where I come from)That is a 90% Muslim country, has about 150 million people, but because the radical Islamic view is not very representative, nobody hears about this country. The only Islamic countries that are represented by the media are the countries that the US has problems with, thus giving Muslims a terrible name.

Dont you mean east pakistan, lol kidding. But no I liked yoru previous post on looking into quran and its origin. I find it interesting that most muslims dont know is that the quran wasnt codified in its current form till 10 years after muhammads death.

[shafir]

Dont you mean east pakistan, lol kidding. But no I liked yoru previous post on looking into quran and its origin. I find it interesting that most muslims dont know is that the quran wasnt codified in its current form till 10 years after muhammads death.
Muhammad didn't write the Quran, his family members and fellow believers recorded his life, and all his sayings. Muhammad was illiterate, even though the Quran specifically encourages education.

[gb8]

Muhammad didn't write the Quran, his family members and fellow believers recorded his life, and all his sayings. Muhammad was illiterate, even though the Quran specifically encourages education.

Yes he was illiterate, he would memorise the verses revealed to him by angel gabriel and would then tell the followers who would record them. The interesting thing is that the final codified version of the quran never got his stamp of approval.

[shafir]

Yes he was illiterate, he would memorise the verses revealed to him by angel gabriel and would then tell the followers who would record them. The interesting thing is that the final codified version of the quran never got his stamp of approval.
That's true, and that may lead to several verses not being 100% correct, the way Muhammad wanted them to be, but I (personally) believe that the Quran is entirely accurate, and that Muhammad's followers would not have written the Quran unless they remember word for word what Muhammad had heard from God. However, if people believe otherwise, that the Quran may be inaccurate, that's fine. There's a chance that it is, although I hope it isn't.

[Zan Tabak]

Yeah, that's it man. All Arabs are terrorists. Do these guys look like terrorist to you?

http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/imgs/content/13419-two-children.jpg

Get your **** right before you go ahead and talk like a redneck.

CNN and all the other U.S news networks want you all to believe that the MiddleEast is full of terrorists..its a form of brainwashing..

In reality Muslims are some of the nicest ,most peaceful people you'll ever meet.. they are just trying to protect their land from invaders..just like you would do!

[brwnman]

The verses of the Quran were all brought down by the angel to the prophet (P.B.U.H) over a span of 23 years...

btw, the current order in which the Quran is at the moment is not the order in which it was revealed...

[Hot Shot Rox]

anyone with half a brain should be able to tell that Agent Zero is trying to tarnish the image of Islam... he has no idea of what he speaks of... he is saying pure bullsh!t....

Seriously, If he is trying to give dawah, I hope Allah forgives him because a lot of what he is saying is very wrong. I'm here to answer questions as well, but if I don't know the answer, I will simply tell you that.

I have a question for you Muslims on ISH. What denomination of Islam do you follow, and what school of law do you follow. I am Hanafi. This is actually quite important to share, because if your not Hanafi, we won't agree on everything.

[brwnman]

^ that is also true, I am Shia ithna ashri... and what I believe in is right :)...

[RainierBeachPoet]

The problem with islam is that it more clearly then chirstianity shows how a society should be set up. The sharia is in itself an all emcompassing social moral and judicial structure which according to islamic doctrine is basicly how god wants society to be governed and set up. Islam does enshrine many positive laws for its citizxens, both men and women. For instance women have the right to own land and property and the right to divorce, which obviously all help greatly in empowering women. In my view the problem and clash arises when sharia is applied to ways in which society is structured today in terms of the capitalist structure, it is here is becomes incompatible to a large defree. As far as my understanding goes sharia is concerned with creating two parralel societies for women and men with limited interaction between the two. This means that if the world is dominated by men women are already clearly at a disadvantageous position. This combined with the fact that sharia law requires two womens testimony in court to equal the testimony of one man means that women are definitely at a disadvantageous position of power in society in islam.
it is always the interpretation that interests me

there is always a messy mix of how specific cultures (such as people from iran vs indonesia) and different forms of islam (sunni vs sh!!te) get played out-- especially when politics gets mixed in.

just as christianity is not a monolith, islam has different manifestations

it seems that while certain purity is desired by keeping to the original texts. the time bound nature of the texts are interpreted in order to make sense of them with the current world's challenges

there will always be some tension between how certain people think the religion ought to be lived out and the realtiy of most people who practice the religion

a similiar dynamic happens within christianity too

[final.wrath]

The reason people don't like Islam is because it has caused much of the conflict in recent memory.

Sensible people don't devote themselves to the myths and traditions of ancient times.

[shafir]

Seriously, If he is trying to give dawah, I hope Allah forgives him because a lot of what he is saying is very wrong. I'm here to answer questions as well, but if I don't know the answer, I will simply tell you that.

I have a question for you Muslims on ISH. What denomination of Islam do you follow, and what school of law do you follow. I am Hanafi. This is actually quite important to share, because if your not Hanafi, we won't agree on everything.
I am also Sunni and Hanafi. That's just because that is how I was brought up. Isn't it true that most Arabs are Hanbali?

[Hot Shot Rox]

I am also Sunni and Hanafi. That's just because that is how I was brought up. Isn't it true that most Arabs are Hanbali?

Yeah, most Arabs are Hanbali.

The four schools can actually be divided geographically. Most Hanafis are from the Indian subcontinent. Most Malikis are from North Africa and I'm not sure where Shafi's are from though.

[RainierBeachPoet]

The reason people don't like Islam is because it has caused much of the conflict in recent memory.

Sensible people don't devote themselves to the myths and traditions of ancient times.

them vast majority of people are not ruled by our intellect but our emotions. sensible people can also cry when they hear love song that reminds them of a lost love that broke their heart when they were 16 years old

religion can also spur very powerful emotions in people at all sorts of levels

GOOD religion can actually keep the intellect as well as the will and emotions in check so the latter doesnt dominate one's life.

that is why i had asked about the intellectual traditions within islam in a previous post


myths are technically powerful accounts that shed light on mystery. story/metaphor can give wonderful order and purpose to our lives. many people equate myth with falsehood in todays world.

whatever one thinks of belief in God, it is to all our advantage to develop the aspects of religion that move our world toward wholeness/respect/justice/compassion

[Sharas]

shafi's are in indonesia and malasia i think. european muslims and turks are all hanafi.

[final.wrath]

them vast majority of people are not ruled by our intellect but our emotions. sensible people can also cry when they hear love song that reminds them of a lost love that broke their heart when they were 16 years old

religion can also spur very powerful emotions in people at all sorts of levels

GOOD religion can actually keep the intellect as well as the will and emotions in check so the latter doesnt dominate one's life.

that is why i had asked about the intellectual traditions within islam in a previous post


myths are technically powerful accounts that shed light on mystery. story/metaphor can give wonderful order and purpose to our lives. many people equate myth with falsehood in todays world.

whatever one thinks of belief in God, it is to all our advantage to develop the aspects of religion that move our world toward wholeness/respect/justice/compassion

if you weigh the good and the bad religion has caused, you'll see a lot more strife and suffering than charity and progress.

[Sharas]

if you weigh the good and the bad religion has caused, you'll see a lot more strife and suffering than charity and progress.

although i'm an atheist myself, i think bigger reason is human nature itself.

because it's what made us create religion. religion is a mirror of ourselves and our nature. it's just the excuse and not the reason.

[gb8]

although i'm an atheist myself, i think bigger reason is human nature itself.

because it's what made us create religion. religion is a mirror of ourselves and our nature. it's just the excuse and not the reason.

Is it really human nature? Relegions at the basic scripture level seem to be perfectly good things promoting for the most part goodness. Howver relegious institutions have wronged humanity greatly. If relegion reflects human nature then we are inherintly good, not evil doers like the institutions who use relegion to rule people.

[RainierBeachPoet]

if you weigh the good and the bad religion has caused, you'll see a lot more strife and suffering than charity and progress.

are you refering to islam in particular or all religions?

[Sharas]

Is it really human nature? Relegions at the basic scripture level seem to be perfectly good things promoting for the most part goodness. Howver relegious institutions have wronged humanity greatly. If relegion reflects human nature then we are inherintly good, not evil doers like the institutions who use relegion to rule people.

at basic scripture level, it's a great thing - and completely devoid from reality, i'd say.
but the way we really act, in real life, upon religion and its teachings (and that's BAD), shows off our true nature. it's again us ourselves that created those institutions that do wrong.

[gb8]

at basic scripture level, it's a great thing - and completely devoid from reality, i'd say.
but the way we really act, in real life, upon religion and its teachings (and that's BAD), shows off our true nature. it's again us ourselves that created those institutions that do wrong.

interesting take, I would contend that basic human nature is, taking the easy way out. There are evil doers and good doers ( i am sure i just made up some words here) The evil doers have definely been more successfull in manipulating people to follow them. People who for the most part are neither good nor bad.

[Jackass18]

CNN and all the other U.S news networks want you all to believe that the MiddleEast is full of terrorists..its a form of brainwashing..

So, is religion.

Anyway, onto my questions:

Are you a part of the religion because of your parents?
Why is it such a sh!tty religion?

[CavaliersFTW]

well it's not looked upon nicely but it's ok, as long as you are not commited to anyone in a relationship.
For real, this is a thing to be told by your religion not to *********e if in a relationship?

Come on... what moral or religious purpose could that possibly serve :oldlol:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

For real, this is a thing to be told by your religion not to *********e if in a relationship?

Come on... what moral or religious purpose could that possibly serve :oldlol:

Many people who do not have a perspective confined to the material world believe in other dimensions such as the astral and an unseen world.

The dimension of thought and dreams is a place where the material world actually derives from, to an extent.

Having entanglements like these puts you in bad shape in a future marriage; because you'll inadvertently have flashbacks desires baggage and hang-ups affecting your very thoughts.. Moreover, it's known that the burning desire of sexuality and highly emotional scenes leave conditionings or samsaras imprinted on a human being.

Part of the concept of being chaste/clean is not to have these things impress upon one's being. It is an impediment to the person's overall tranquility. Additionally, sacrifice and concepts like Lent served to sever attachments to material pleasures in order for an easy transition for souls in the afterlife.

Moreover, most spiritual systems involve something akin to alchemy. The Hinduisms perform physical rites of yoga in conjunction with breathing in order to unite with the "Great Spirit", Taoists from China engage in Qigong and other practices to create an "immortal body" in the Lower Dan Tien, Muslims have their Salat, and other meditative practices serve to elevate the consciousness in the material upwards to the heavens.

This dates back to Ancient Egypt and perhaps earlier.

[Dresta]

Is it really human nature? Relegions at the basic scripture level seem to be perfectly good things promoting for the most part goodness. Howver relegious institutions have wronged humanity greatly. If relegion reflects human nature then we are inherintly good, not evil doers like the institutions who use relegion to rule people.
Like all human institutions come to do, if they last long enough--that would be a reflection of our 'fallen nature' as Christians would say, and as told through the allegory of Genesis.

[Dresta]

For real, this is a thing to be told by your religion not to *********e if in a relationship?

Come on... what moral or religious purpose could that possibly serve :oldlol:
Because it's quite obvious that frequent *********ion during a relationship would loosen the bonds of intimacy between partners; it's not that hard to see why. If you have a girlfriend why don't you try not ****ing her, and instead just fap away in the corner, and see how that affects your relationship?

[ROCSteady]

I would never seek religious assurance from the author of 'In The Spare Of a Moment'

[Nick Young]

I would never seek religious assurance from the author of 'In The Spare Of a Moment'

*whispers and fades...*
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :cheers: :banana: :rockon:

[ROCSteady]

Agent Zero still fading away from Earth but nobody can hear his whispers in space


May he forever live in infamy

[poido123]

Here's a muslim saudi giving an excellent insight into the problems of the muslim world and the internal battle within the religion.


He sums it up perfectly.


Please watch this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6Xve4O4rF0

[poido123]

More of the same man explaining Muslim failure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAPKYKhTp8U



We need about another 1 billion of these muslims around. Unfortunately, the brainwashing and the systemic cultural indoctrination of the wahabbist style Islam is such a hard shackle to break in many Arab communities.


I encourage the muslims here on ISH to share their thoughts.


This is what I'm talking about, when I harp on progressive thinking.

[senelcoolidge]

Me and friend have been infiltrating a local mosque for the past few weeks. Really he has, I haven't actually attended because I feel that I'm not a good actor. I have a hard time being dishonest. So he's been going and he's met some nice people, he introduced me to a couple people outside of the mosque. One is a girl that he's been screwing. Nice girl, kind of air headed. Nice body very ok face. Well it seems like this girl really likes him..probably loves him. I told him not to screw the girl. She's scared her parents will find out that she's been fu#king. It's becoming a sticky situation. Some of the moslems are nice others weird. Like Nick said a lot of these people especially the younger ones don't even know what's in the koran.

[9erempiree]

Me and friend have been infiltrating a local mosque for the past few weeks. Really he has, I haven't actually attended because I feel that I'm not a good actor. I have a hard time being dishonest. So he's been going and he's met some nice people, he introduced me to a couple people outside of the mosque. One is a girl that he's been screwing. Nice girl, kind of air headed. Nice body very ok face. Well it seems like this girl really likes him..probably loves him. I told him not to screw the girl. She's scared her parents will find out that she's been fu#king. It's becoming a sticky situation. Some of the moslems are nice others weird. Like Nick said a lot of these people especially the younger ones don't even know what's in the koran.

Do you mind if I make a thread about this?

I remember you made a thread but it was deleted.

[senelcoolidge]

Do you mind if I make a thread about this?

I remember you made a thread but it was deleted.

I don't mind, but it will probably get deleted.

[poido123]

Do you mind if I make a thread about this?

I remember you made a thread but it was deleted.


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[poido123]

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