Just a reminder: Michael Jordan never lost

[Walk on Water]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.

[LoneyROY7]

Jordan played 15 seasons and won 6 titles.

He lost 60 percent of the time.

[8Ball]

reminder for all Jordan fans born after the year 2000:


https://image-cdn.essentiallysports.com/wp-content/uploads/20200704142349/magic-vs-bulls.jpg

[Tobio-Star]

1-9

[tanibanana]

This "Never Lost" argument is extremely flawed.
He did not played for only 6 seasons, he played 15.

A man should never brag about not having a failed subject in College, if he took only six subject. Something like that...

[3ball]

6/15 = 40%

^^^ that's the #1 championship frequency of the modern era/3-pointer basketball... :confusedshrug:

Jordan also never lost as a favorite... Or with home court... Or when expected to win

Never lost with 1 or 2 seeds, whereas every other great lost 5+ times each..

[colts19]

Bill Russell

[SATAN]

Jordan played 15 seasons and won 6 titles.

He lost 60 percent of the time.

Fascinating

[3ball]

Bill Russell

In Russell's era, the lack of spacing allowed a defensive player to dominate..

But since the 3-point line was instituted, all 40 MVP's were dominant offensive players - so we know that Russell wouldn't MVP-caliber in the modern era/3-pointer basketball

Accordingly, Jordan's 6 rings as the best player is easily the goat accomplishment of the modern era/3-pointer basketball

[Axe]

Watered-down era

[Vino24]

Who did MJ face in the finals? Bill Russell beat Wilt like 8 fvcking times

[3ball]

Who did MJ face in the finals? Bill Russell beat Wilt like 8 fvcking times

* Magic/Worthy

* A blazer team with a higher-ranked defense and FAR more offensive help/players with all-star experience

* a Suns super-team - they're 5th option was a better talent than Pippen (Dumas)


* a super-team Sonics team with 3 guys that outplayed pippen

* a jazz team that beat shaq/duncan 8-1 in two series

* Various Kncks, Pacers and Heat teams where Pippen was outplayed, including Shaq/penny magic

[Vino24]

* Magic/Worthy

* A blazer team with a higher-ranked defense and FAR more offensive help

* a Suns super-team with a 5th option that was a better talent than Pippen (Dumas)


* a super-team Sonics team with 3 guys that outplayed pippen

* a jazz team that beat shaq/duncan 8-1 in two series
Wilt >>>>

[Axe]

Who did MJ face in the finals? Bill Russell beat Wilt like 8 fvcking times
Plumber and mechanics

[Vino24]

Plumber and mechanics

Imagine if MJ had to face Wilt instead of a Honda mechanic

[3ball]

Who did MJ face in the finals? Bill Russell beat Wilt like 8 fvcking times

Bill russell had 9 HOF teammates

literally.. it took a dream team to beat Wilt

So unlike Russell's dream teams, people worship mj because he won so much (6 rings) without a bunch of all-stars or HOF

[Axe]

Bill russell had 9 HOF teammates

literally.. it took a dream team to beat Wilt

Otoh, people worship mj because he won so much (6 rings) without a bunch of all-stars or HOF
:wtf:

[Vino24]

Bill russell had 9 HOF teammates

literally.. it took a dream team to beat Wilt

So unlike Russell's dream teams, people worship mj because he won so much (6 rings) without a bunch of all-stars or HOF

Wilt’s teammate outscored him in all the finals

[3ball]

:wtf:

Only 1 player was an all-star alongside MJ (6 rings)

Otoh, guys like Magic, Lebron, Bird, Shaq, Kareem, Duncan - basically everyone - had 5+ all-star teammates

Rodman is HOF but he was 36 when he joined the Bulls - so he was like HOF Ray Allen or Shaq playing with Lebron

[3ball]

Wilt’s teammate outscored him in all the finals

AD outscored the entire league (#1 in playoff scoring for 2020)

So Lebron's teammate outscored him for n the 2011 Playoffs and 2020 Playoffs, while Kyrie matched lebron in 16'

Ultimately, lebron/magic are "pippen's" because they need a "Jordan" - an elite 1st option to close possessions (closer) like Kareem, Jordan, AD, Wade or Kyrie

[Vino24]

AD outscored the entire league (#1 in playoff scoring for 2020)

So Lebron's teammate outscored him for n the 2011 Playoffs and 2020 Playoffs, while Kyrie matched lebron in 16'

Ultimately, lebron/magic are "pippen's" because they need a "Jordan" - an elite 1st option to close possessions (closer) like Kareem, Jordan, AD, Wade or Kyrie

Kareem was birdfed like AD

[3ball]

Imagine if MJ had to face Wilt instead of a Honda mechanic


Kareem was birdfed like AD

Bird-fed = closer

So the bird-fed are the most valuable

Otoh, anyone can be a bird-feeder because anyone can bring the ball up the court and make a bounce pass

Ultimately, lebron/magic are "pippen's" because they need a "Jordan" - an elite 1st option to close possessions (closer) like Kareem, Jordan, AD, Wade or Kyrie.. an equal scoring partner

[Axe]

AD outscored the entire league (#1 in playoff scoring for 2020)

So Lebron's teammate outscored him for n the 2011 Playoffs and 2020 Playoffs, while Kyrie matched lebron in 16'

Ultimately, lebron/magic are "pippen's" because they need a "Jordan" - an elite 1st option to close possessions (closer) like Kareem, Jordan, AD, Wade or Kyrie
Mj needed pippen to set-up the offense and score

[3ball]

Mj needed pippen to set-up the offense and score

Pippen didn't set up the offense because everyone ran the same routes (equal-opportunity) and mj averaged more assists

[Axe]

Pippen didn't set up the offense because everyone ran the same routes (equal-opportunity) and mj averaged more assists
So why didn't he win that much in his early years without him? :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

So why didn't he win much in his early years without him? :confusedshrug:

A super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 01' Sixers, 07' Cavs, or 09' Magic) and Jordan was leading an 18-win team (from the year before)...

Otoh, lebron only had developed, good teams in a 1-star conference.. he was lucky that his 18-win cast missed the playoffs in 04/05/19

[Vino24]

MJ was system dependent that relied on an equal opportunist system. He couldn’t shoulder the load

[Axe]

A super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 01' Sixers, 07' Cavs, or 09' Magic) and Jordan was leading an 18-win team (from the year before)...

Otoh, lebron only had developed, good teams in a 1-star conference.. he was lucky that his 18-win cast missed the playoffs in 04/05/19
Baldan never elevated his teammates

[k0kakw0rld]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.
Drafted years

Bird 1978
Magic 1979
Isiah 1981
Jordan 1984

Jordan's main competitions

0-6 vs Bird
In 43 regular games Isiah is 24-19 vs Jordan
In 22 playoffs games Isiah is 12-10 vs Jordan

[3ball]

MJ was system dependent that relied on an equal opportunist system. He couldn’t shoulder the load

Lebron's weakness:


he loses to superior brands because he lacks the skill to employ the best brand himself (equal-opportunity system)..

That's why he has a lottery record against organic systems like Mavs, Spurs, Warriors

[TheCorporation]

6 Finals in 15 years = NEVA LOST :lol

Nope! He lost. Often. In the 1st round even!

[3ball]

6 Finals in 15 years = NEVA LOST :lol



Jordan never lost as the favorite or with a good team (1 or 2 seeds)

No one else can say that... Let that sink in

Otherwise, Jordan lost the least of anyone in the modern era (9/15 = 60%... That's lower than everyone else)

[Axe]

Jordan never lost as the favorite or with a good team (1 or 2 seeds)

No one else can say that... Let that sink in

Otherwise, Jordan lost the least of anyone in the modern era (9/15 = 60%... That's lower than everyone else)
Well, his teams were stacked compared to his finals opponents.

[3ball]

Well, his teams were stacked compared to his finals opponents.

No way

His opponents had more all-stars, better defenses (1st three-peat), and more good players..

Look at the 91' Lakers... A hobbled Worthy nearly matched Pippen, while Vlade/Perkins were dominant over Grant and Cartwright

And the 92 blazers, 93' Suns, and 96' sonics had WAY more all-stars and good players.. not remotely close

Heck, the Pistons starting 5 were all 3x all-stars (except rodman was 2x)

[MadDog]

Well, his teams were stacked compared to his finals opponents.

Top to bottom that just isn't true. The 91 Lakers were obviously more talented, but relative to the league, Portland/Phoenix/Jazz/Sonics were all loaded. All of those teams had 2 stars with a heap of shooting.

[3ball]

Having Pippen didn't equal "stacking the deck" because numerous 2nd options compared like Penny, Stockton and Kemp... And guys like worthy were all-nba in 91', while pippen wasn't an all-star

Otoh, teaming up with two pippen's (2 stars) is infact stacking the deck.. or teaming up with someone that can lead you and the entire league statistically (AD was #1 in playoff scoring)

[k0kakw0rld]

Having Pippen didn't equal "stacking the deck" because numerous 2nd options compared like Penny, Stockton and Kemp... And guys like worthy were all-nba in 91', while pippen wasn't an all-star

Otoh, teaming up with two pippen's (2 stars) is infact stacking the deck.. or teaming up with someone that can lead you and the entire league statistically (AD was #1 in playoff scoring)

Shaq 4 vs Jordan 2 :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

Having Pippen didn't equal "stacking the deck" because numerous 2nd options compared like Penny, Stockton and Kemp... And guys like worthy were all-nba in 91', while pippen wasn't an all-star

Otoh, teaming up with two pippen's (2 stars) is infact stacking the deck.. or teaming up with someone that can lead you and the entire league statistically (AD was #1 in playoff scoring)
Yet pippen was somehow able to outplay his rivals? :confusedshrug:

[TheCorporation]

Jordan never lost as the favorite or with a good team (1 or 2 seeds)

No one else can say that... Let that sink in

Otherwise, Jordan lost the least of anyone in the modern era (9/15 = 60%... That's lower than everyone else)

So as long as Jordan had good teammates he won :lol

And when he lost it was because he did not have good teammates :lol

So basically Jordan's career is dependent upon . . .

Yes, that's right. Work it out . . .

Scottie. Pippen.

[Pipes2.0]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.

He lost his dad to the mafia :(

[TheCorporation]

Yes, Jordan never lost.

Except for

1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1994
1995
2002
2003

But that's it!

[Walk on Water]

Yes, Jordan never lost.

Except for

1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1994
1995
2002
2003

But that's it!


Those were Finals years??

[Stanley Kobrick]

Yes, Jordan never lost.

Except for

1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1994
1995
2002
2003

But that's it!
oh wow, those are many finals that michael missed. fascinating

[light]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.

Nah man, he lost in 1995. Couldn't even get out of the 2nd round.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Epic-Failure.gif

[Walk on Water]

Nah man, he lost in 1995. Couldn't even get out of the 2nd round.

https://s8.gifyu.com/images/MJ-Epic-Failure.gif


Didn’t he play baseball that year??

[Axe]

Didn’t he play baseball that year??
He was out for 1 1/2 seasons due to his gambling habits

[TheCorporation]

Those were Finals years??

That's the kicker. He only made 6 Finals. Less than Kobe's 7.

MJ lost a lot. Imagine only making 6 Finals :lol

[8Ball]

That's the kicker. He only made 6 Finals. Less than Kobe's 7.

MJ lost a lot. Imagine only making 6 Finals :lol

No longevity arguments against LeBron.

[MadDog]

No longevity arguments against LeBron.

Why does Jordan have more scoring titles than LeBron? :confusedshrug:

Jordan played less years BUT also had more regular-season and playoff scoring titles. A higher PPG too.


That's the kicker. He only made 6 Finals. Less than Kobe's 7.

MJ lost a lot. Imagine only making 6 Finals :lol

Jordan has more rings than LeBron though. If you're arguing appearances>rings then you better check your notes again.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/34579ed73f5f72b6945f65be89a0b973/tenor.gif

[Hey Yo]

Only 1 player was an all-star alongside MJ (6 rings)

Otoh, guys like Magic, Lebron, Bird, Shaq, Kareem, Duncan - basically everyone - had 5+ all-star teammates

Rodman is HOF but he was 36 when he joined the Bulls - so he was like HOF Ray Allen or Shaq playing with Lebron
Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 rings. Rodman was All-Defensive in 96' and led the league in rebounding all 3 seasons with the Bulls.

[Hey Yo]

6/15 = 40%

^^^ that's the #1 championship frequency of the modern era/3-pointer basketball... :confusedshrug:

Jordan also never lost as a favorite... Or with home court... Or when expected to win

Never lost with 1 or 2 seeds, whereas every other great lost 5+ times each..
Except he didn't play 15 straight seasons. He needed time off to be able to continue to compete.

Not my GOAT.

[Hey Yo]

A super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 01' Sixers, 07' Cavs, or 09' Magic) and Jordan was leading an 18-win team (from the year before)...

Otoh, lebron only had developed, good teams in a 1-star conference.. he was lucky that his 18-win cast missed the playoffs in 04/05/19
Pistons, with zero All-NBA players, won the title in 89'.


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[3ball]

Pistons, with zero All-NBA players, won the title in 89'.


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Pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot and 4 HOF's (Isiah, Dumars, Rodman and Dantley)

[Hey Yo]

Pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot and 4 HOF's (Isiah, Dumars, Rodman and Dantley)
All-NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All-star team. Not surprised that you don't know this.

Dumars and Rodman were not HOF'ers in 89'


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[3ball]

All-NBA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All-star team. Not surprised that you don't know this.

Dumars and Rodman were not HOF'ers in 89'


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Pippen wasn't all-nba in 89' either dumbass

Ultimately, those Pistons had 4 HOF's and the bulls 2

The pistons entire starting 5 were 3x all-stars

[Hey Yo]

Pippen wasn't all-nba in 89' either dumbass

Ultimately, those Pistons had 4 HOF's and the bulls 2

The pistons entire starting 5 were 3x all-stars
Never claimed Pippen was, chico........ but he was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the Bulls 6 titles.

In 1989, Detroit had 2 HOF locks, w/o any All-NBA players and still won the title.

These FACTS cannot be disputed!!

[ImKobe]

Pippen was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of the 6 rings. Rodman was All-Defensive in 96' and led the league in rebounding all 3 seasons with the Bulls.

Imagine, past-prime Jordan 3-Peated with a 2nd option who averaged 17.6 ppg on 40.8%FG/50.0%TS from 96-98 Playoffs :kobe: . Rodman was a non-factor on offense as well. They also had one of the greatest offenses all-time with those guys. Ridiculous.

[Hey Yo]

Imagine, past-prime Jordan 3-Peated with a 2nd option who averaged 17.6 ppg on 40.8%FG/50.0%TS from 96-98 Playoffs :kobe: . Rodman was a non-factor on offense as well. They also had one of the greatest offenses all-time with those guys. Ridiculous.
Imagine if he didn't take 2yrs off to rest up.

Imagine you failing to mention Pippen's defense, that led the entire 96' postseason in DWS

[ImKobe]

Imagine if he didn't take 2yrs off to rest up.

Imagine you failing to mention Pippen's defense, that led the entire 96' postseason in DWS

Yawn. Sadly, I don't have the DRAPM numbers for the '96 Playoffs but MJ and Harper were the two best on the team in '97 & it was Jordan & Rodman in the '98 POs. MJ didn't rest for 2 years, he was playing another sport.

[dankok8]

He lost... but look at this way. When MJ had an all-star caliber Pippen alongside him (90-93 then 95-98) he won 6 rings in 8 seasons. That's a 75% win rate. When Lebron had an all-star caliber player alongside him (2011-2018, 2020) he won 4 rings in 9 seasons. That's a 44% win rate. It's also worth noting that MJ won his rings in more dominant fashion.

[8Ball]

Imagine if he didn't take 2yrs off to rest up.


It was Load Management. He load managed for the 1995 season and still lost.

[SouBeachTalents]

Just a reminder: OP never lost his virginity

[Basketball r Us]

MJ never went to as many finals like LeChamp.

[Walk on Water]

MJ never went to as many finals like LeChamp.


And yet won more of them.

[TheCorporation]

Yes, Jordan never lost.

Except for

1985
1986
1987
1988
1989
1990
1994
1995
2002
2003

But that's it!

OP?

[Gray GOAT]

Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.

Neither have I.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Neither have I.
perfect finals record. gray goat > stockton

[Sulico]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.

Neither did I.
By your logic I'm better NBA player than Lebron.

[Gray GOAT]

perfect finals record. gray goat > stockton

:applause:

I have never even allowed a game 5 in my life. I never allowed anyone to score on me in the NBA. I have never lost a playoff game, never lost a regular season game. Am I the greatest to ever do it?

[Stanley Kobrick]

:applause:

I have never even allowed a game 5 in my life. I never allowed anyone to score on me in the NBA. I have never lost a playoff game, never lost a regular season game. Am I the greatest to ever do it?
you are the greatest of all goats. you are the gray gagoat

[Walk on Water]

Neither have I.


And have you won?

[Baller789]

I swear the arguments of Lebron apologists is beyond delusional.

[Gray GOAT]

And have you won?

Are you unfamiliar with the topic you, yourself, have created? You stated the Jordan has never lost. Well, neither have I. I am yet to lose in the NBA. Preseason, regular season or playoffs. Jordan has. Me > Jordan, evidently.

[Hey Yo]

You see Jordan completely dominated his era. Just a reminder, Jordan has not lost. 6-0 can only be beaten at 7 and 0. If Jordan didn’t retire he could have went 9-0. However 6 and 0 is still perfect. Jordan has never lost an NBA Finals. And he’s never let a team go to game 7.
Game 6 of the 1996 Finals MJ scores 22pts while shooting 26%.

LOL @ thinking that performance was the deciding factor why the series didn't go 7.

[8Ball]

I swear the arguments of Lebron apologists is beyond delusional.

Why are you so obsessed with LeBron?

This is a thread about Jordan and how he did lose many times. Stick with the topic at hand.

[8Ball]

Jordan never lost?

I see plenty of losses in his win loss nba record.

I also see plenty of losses and sweeps in the playoffs.

1-9 without Pippen.

[Walk on Water]

Jordan never lost?

I see plenty of losses in his win loss nba record.

I also see plenty of losses and sweeps in the playoffs.

1-9 without Pippen.

6 and 0 baby.

[3ball]

Jordan never lost?



Correct

He never lost as a favorite or with a decent cast

Overall, he lost less than anyone in modern history (9 of 15 years, or 60%)