Zach Lavine or Devin Booker?

[PeroAntic]

Who you got?

[highwhey]

:facepalm

[PeroAntic]

Lavine: 26ppg 5rpg 4apg, 45/38/80, PER 19, TS% 57, BPM 2.4, VORP 2.4
Booker: 27ppg 4rpg 7apg, 48/35/92, PER 21, TS% 62, BPM 2.2, VORP 2.6

Both poor defenders, so thats equal. Statistically Booker seems to be slightly better, but the gap is not reflected by the poll's onesidedness. For some reason Booker is very popular in this league while Lavine isn't. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

The player with the better pull-up

Pretty sure that's booker although I only saw him take 1 jumper in a highlight but he was outstanding in his form.. it's hard to have a better pull-up then that, and lavine ain't mj

[highwhey]

The player with the better pull-up

Pretty sure that's booker although I only saw him take 1 jumper in a highlight but he was outstanding in his form.. it's hard to have a better pull-up then that, and lavine ain't mj

he releases really quickly on his jumper too, difficult to guard. can ask kawhi and pg about that one when book hit that game winner in their faces.

[highwhey]

Lavine: 26ppg 5rpg 4apg, 45/38/80, PER 19, TS% 57, BPM 2.4, VORP 2.4
Booker: 27ppg 4rpg 7apg, 48/35/92, PER 21, TS% 62, BPM 2.2, VORP 2.6

Both poor defenders, so thats equal. Statistically Booker seems to be slightly better, but the gap is not reflected by the poll's onesidedness. For some reason Booker is very popular in this league while Lavine isn't. :confusedshrug:

aside from the clear efficiency that book has, one is a scorer, the other is a multi faceted scorer and facilitator.

[3ball]

aside from the clear efficiency that book has, one is a scorer, the other is a multi faceted scorer and facilitator.

Just noticed booker's apg... He must be some kind of player

However, apg means a lot less if the team offense is vastly inferior..

but booker ran a better offense than lavine, so I give his apg more credit.. he doesn't appear to be a big ball-dominator

[PeroAntic]

The player with the better pull-up

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-67F13O0LWCA/XdshcjzqOeI/AAAAAAAAd4M/Lwv-wmPbXJMRxvKMRUXv12H2Xgdm6WVBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3%2BZach%2BLaVine%2Bgame%2Bwinner%2Bzoom%2Bin.gif

[Wally450]

Booker all day.

[Axe]

I like lavine but booker is better at this point. He led his team on the verge of clinching a playoff spot earlier.

[highwhey]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-67F13O0LWCA/XdshcjzqOeI/AAAAAAAAd4M/Lwv-wmPbXJMRxvKMRUXv12H2Xgdm6WVBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3%2BZach%2BLaVine%2Bgame%2Bwinner%2Bzoom%2Bin.gif

:whatever:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLR0P0W94dk&ab_channel=TheNBAFreak

:lebronamazed:

[SATAN]

Booker. I really like Lavine though.

[Draz]

Booker but Lavine got killer instincts that's untapped

[3ball]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-67F13O0LWCA/XdshcjzqOeI/AAAAAAAAd4M/Lwv-wmPbXJMRxvKMRUXv12H2Xgdm6WVBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3%2BZach%2BLaVine%2Bgame%2Bwinner%2Bzoom%2Bin.gif

Isn't that a catch-and-shoot?

Not an off-the-dribble pull-up

And I'd be surprised if booker wasn't better at any kind of jumper

[imdaman99]

Booker. He's hit so many game winners over the last few years. All that's missing is him taking over in the playoffs. Can be like Gilbert Arenas if he wants.

[3ball]

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-67F13O0LWCA/XdshcjzqOeI/AAAAAAAAd4M/Lwv-wmPbXJMRxvKMRUXv12H2Xgdm6WVBgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/3%2BZach%2BLaVine%2Bgame%2Bwinner%2Bzoom%2Bin.gif

Btw, that isn't great form.. his footwork looks mechanical

I'm sure booker's footwork is super-fluid and not robotic like lavibe

[k0kakw0rld]

:whatever:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLR0P0W94dk&ab_channel=TheNBAFreak

:lebronamazed:

45 seconds to go Bulls down by 8. LaVine proceeds with 2 threes including a turnaround fadeaway 3 to win a game they had no business winning.

LaVine is better actually.

[Axe]

45 seconds to go Bulls down by 8. LaVine proceeds with 2 threes including a turnaround fadeaway 3 to win a game they had no business winning.

LaVine is better actually.
Yeah he has potential to be clutch

[highwhey]

Btw, that isn't great form.. his footwork looks mechanical

I'm sure booker's footwork is super-fluid and not robotic like lavibe

shot is more crooked than the trump administration :roll:

https://wp.usatodaysports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92/2017/03/booker-lakers.jpg

[highwhey]

45 seconds to go Bulls down by 8. LaVine proceeds with 2 threes including a turnaround fadeaway 3 to win a game they had no business winning.

LaVine is better actually.

against THE HORNETS

Booker's shot was against 2 elite defenders, one of them being a 2 time dpoy...


:roll:

[PeroAntic]

Lavine is so underrated its criminal.

[Axe]

Lavine is so underrated its criminal.
He's going to be better than d-rose in terms of longevity

[ralph_i_el]

Booker is more polished with a better J. Lavine is crazy aggressive and explosive going to the basket, with a very nice jumper as well. Lavine has come a pretty far way in terms of picking his spots to attack.

[PeroAntic]

He's going to be better than d-rose in terms of longevity

Its hard to be worse, but that isnt really Derrick's fault.

Lavine right now is hitting 70+ field goal percentage around the rim. Thats insane.

[PeroAntic]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-12-2021/INV4De.gif



The way he blows by one of the defensive GOATs like hes some kid. No words.

[Axe]

Its hard to be worse, but that isnt really Derrick's fault.

Lavine right now is hitting 70+ field goal percentage around the rim. Thats insane.
Not his fault but that's what we saw. I mean his longevity leaves much to be desired and he wasn't even 25 y.o. yet when the unfortunate happened.

I hope lavine would be better than that and this is coming from someone who admired d-rose so much back in the day.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm


What are you facepalming at?

They're neck-and-neck, although I got Book. But LaVine in the discussion


Beal slight edge on both

[ArbitraryWater]

Btw, that isn't great form.. his footwork looks mechanical

I'm sure booker's footwork is super-fluid and not robotic like lavibe


No it doesnt.

He looks smooth there.

Beal, Book, LaVine all move super smooth...

natural ballers.

[tanibanana]

Booker. He is going to be an All-Star / All-NBA this season.

[2ball]

Lavine is much better and more explosive

[LeCola]

Booker is better player. However, it is more fun to watch Lavine, he seems like dancing, performing art with the ball.

[tpols]

TBH... they're both vastly overrated. Two horrible defenders who produce on mediocre efficiency. Just look what happens when an ancient Chris Paul comes over... +10 in the metrics. Ayton is +7 and Bridges is an unreal +25. Booker? -6. I really am getting sick of people acting like these chucker types are the best players on the team. The Suns were beyond lotto with Booker dropping 70.

[wagexslave]

TBH... they're both vastly overrated. Two horrible defenders who produce on mediocre efficiency. Just look what happens when an ancient Chris Paul comes over... +10 in the metrics. Ayton is +7 and Bridges is an unreal +25. Booker? -6. I really am getting sick of people acting like these chucker types are the best players on the team. The Suns were beyond lotto with Booker dropping 70.
First off, you're discussing Booker's current stats who's been in a slump and having a terrible start to the season for his standards, as if this is how he usually plays. Come on now. Dude last year averaged like 27ppg on efficient shooting(49% FG% iirc) with like 7 apg 4 rpg and 92% FT last year. And his box +/- was way better last season EVEN with him being on a team that had injuries and 25 game Ayton suspension with poor depth to make up for it, and missed the playoffs. In reality some of the highest +/- 5 man lineups in the entire league(iirc even the #1 top +/- lineup period) were on the Suns and had Devin Booker.

Yeah, this year he's struggled to get a shooting rhythm going so far and his chemistry with the new players is slowly developing every game, and even his FT% has been in a very unusual slump. But I'm sure he'll eventually get it going. His defense has improved though, he's not NEARLY as bad as he used to be. It's reflected in his advanced stat rankings too. Sure, he's still an average defender nothing special. But he's not terrible anymore, and definitely on the upwards trend on that side of the ball.

And it's so corny when people bring up losing the 70 point game as if it's something to be embarrassed of lol. Like wtf, they would have lost by 60 if he didn't drop 70. His supporting cast in that game was straight up the worst roster I've ever seen step onto an NBA court in my life. Playing against arguably the best defense in the league that year in their home court. Nobody else on the Suns could do jack shit, meanwhile Book was straight up torching them efficiently while getting double and triple teamed. As a 20 year old.

https://i.ibb.co/wRJDT9t/Screenshot-2021-01-12-Phoenix-Suns-at-Boston-Celtics-Box-Score-March-24-2017-Basketball-Reference-co.png

Just look at that lineup lol. Jesus ****ing christ. I couldn't even imagine how many points they would have lost by if Book wasn't there. Maybe 60 was being conservative.

[wagexslave]

TBH... they're both vastly overrated. Two horrible defenders who produce on mediocre efficiency. Just look what happens when an ancient Chris Paul comes over... +10 in the metrics. Ayton is +7 and Bridges is an unreal +25. Booker? -6. I really am getting sick of people acting like these chucker types are the best players on the team. The Suns were beyond lotto with Booker dropping 70.
Last season 5 man lineups sorted by net rating(minimum 200 mins played)
https://i.ibb.co/R3G4019/Screenshot-2021-01-12-Lineups-Advanced-2.png

[Jasper]

lavine so far seems to be having an off year so far ... but his past years performances I have him over Booker

[Axe]

Booker is better player. However, it is more fun to watch Lavine, he seems like dancing, performing art with the ball.
Booker has a much better team now

[FCPBriefing]

Both are close statistically speaking but mostly due to lack of exposure, you can get Lavine for a lower cost. However Lavine will put up a subpar game ever 10 games or so and does have some injury concerns as well. Booker simply never lets up. He puts up big numbers every game and has been very durable.

[tpols]

First off, you're discussing Booker's current stats who's been in a slump and having a terrible start to the season for his standards, as if this is how he usually plays. Come on now. Dude last year averaged like 27ppg on efficient shooting(49% FG% iirc) with like 7 apg 4 rpg and 92% FT last year. And his box +/- was way better last season EVEN with him being on a team that had injuries and 25 game Ayton suspension with poor depth to make up for it, and missed the playoffs. In reality some of the highest +/- 5 man lineups in the entire league(iirc even the #1 top +/- lineup period) were on the Suns and had Devin Booker.

Yeah, this year he's struggled to get a shooting rhythm going so far and his chemistry with the new players is slowly developing every game, and even his FT% has been in a very unusual slump. But I'm sure he'll eventually get it going. His defense has improved though, he's not NEARLY as bad as he used to be. It's reflected in his advanced stat rankings too. Sure, he's still an average defender nothing special. But he's not terrible anymore, and definitely on the upwards trend on that side of the ball.

And it's so corny when people bring up losing the 70 point game as if it's something to be embarrassed of lol. Like wtf, they would have lost by 60 if he didn't drop 70. His supporting cast in that game was straight up the worst roster I've ever seen step onto an NBA court in my life. Playing against arguably the best defense in the league that year in their home court. Nobody else on the Suns could do jack shit, meanwhile Book was straight up torching them efficiently while getting double and triple teamed. As a 20 year old.

https://i.ibb.co/wRJDT9t/Screenshot-2021-01-12-Phoenix-Suns-at-Boston-Celtics-Box-Score-March-24-2017-Basketball-Reference-co.png

Just look at that lineup lol. Jesus ****ing christ. I couldn't even imagine how many points they would have lost by if Book wasn't there. Maybe 60 was being conservative.

It's entirely possible Booker can be a good player on a good team. And maybe things will turn around for him this year. We have 100's of games of data right now though and he's been a negative impact player so far because he has played no defense, and scores on high volume and mediocre efficiency with a ton of turnovers. You should recognize this now that you have Chris Paul on your team, a guy that produces tremendously in the positive anywhere he goes. That's true basketball.

[PeroAntic]

lol at the results of the poll:roll:

[tontoz]

Lavine is having a big year no doubt. His TS is 10% better than his career average while also scoring more points.

[Axe]

Op still thinks d-rose is better than both nowadays

[ralph_i_el]

Before this year I would have said Booker (I probably voted in that poll and said so). LaVine has made a huge jump, and his stats are increasingly less-empty. I think LaVine would be a better fit with CP3 that Booker is. I trust Booker more as a lead ball-handler than LaVine, and they're kind of a wash a scorers.

To be fair, Booker is adjusting to a new role right now on a really good team. LaVine is shooting way way way higher than his career numbers from every distance, and might regress a bit. I'm still taking Booker.

[Jasper]

lavine .... when he wants to , he seems to take over a game

[RRR3]

Pretty clearly LaVine at this point

[k0kakw0rld]

It's looking more and more like LaVine was the right choice, like we said.

[Axe]

It's looking more and more like LaVine was the right choice, like we said.
:cheers: