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Walk on Water
11-19-2020, 07:12 AM
Players are getting hurt at a crazier pace than ever. KD tore his Achilles last year and Klay this year. In one of Klay’s IG posts, he took a pic of him deadlifting hundreds of pounds so he could toughen up for the season that’s about to start. When you just recovered from an ACL injury, why train like a power lifter?

Back in the day, you didn’t see players having major injuries like this all the time. When Dominique had it, he recovered so swiftly and was back to the old him. But now, players are just tearing up their body like it’s nobodies business.

Maybe heavy weightlifting isn’t the best approach. But maybe exercises that engage flexibility and natural core strength are better. Swimming, Pilates, yoga and maybe some basic/modified weight training.

But when Klay is lifting hundreds and hundreds on the deadlift so he could “toughen up” for the fast upcoming season (his own words), then maybe he was working against his body. I don’t think doing things like power cleans and deadlifts are good for someone coming off an injury.

Duncan played a long time but I’m not sure if he did deadlifts to try to toughen up. He was a swimmer. He did things in the off-season that were more gentle on the body. Think about it. You’re already putting pounding on the joints by playing. Why put more on deadlifts to try to toughen up?

SATAN
11-19-2020, 07:48 AM
Can WOW have his own separate forum in the vein of "showerthoughts"? :facepalm

dirkdiggler41
11-19-2020, 08:40 AM
Or it can be that today they play an extreme amount of games even before they enter college and the NBA. This tears on the body and at the same time they are not practicing so much so they lose fundamentals because it is all about scoring and highlights in some tourmant.

light
11-19-2020, 09:37 AM
This is not particular to this era. Injury rates have been increasing for 5 decades. There was a 12.4% increase from 1989 to 1998 in one study, for example.

The reasons cited for the increasing rates of injury in the NBA:

- Increase in contact
- Increase is size and speed of players
- Improvement in diagnostic tools

Injury to the lower extremity is by far the most common type of injury in the NBA (62% of all injuries), and that's been consistent since 1970.

Achilles tendinopathy is actually quite common in the NBA. It's as common as a wrist sprain, foot sprain, thumb sprain and hip contusion. But it's also a condition that weakens the achilles and makes it vulnerable to rupture, so naturally we'd expect to see achilles ruptures as a result of the frequency of achilles tendinopathy.

A 2010 study simply concluded, "NBA basketball has... a predictably high rate of injury."

Klay hasn't broke the mold (just his tendon).

Walk on Water
11-19-2020, 01:51 PM
This is not particular to this era. Injury rates have been increasing for 5 decades. There was a 12.4% increase from 1989 to 1998 in one study, for example.

The reasons cited for the increasing rates of injury in the NBA:

- Increase in contact
- Increase is size and speed of players
- Improvement in diagnostic tools

Injury to the lower extremity is by far the most common type of injury in the NBA (62% of all injuries), and that's been consistent since 1970.

Achilles tendinopathy is actually quite common in the NBA. It's as common as a wrist sprain, foot sprain, thumb sprain and hip contusion. But it's also a condition that weakens the achilles and makes it vulnerable to rupture, so naturally we'd expect to see achilles ruptures as a result of the frequency of achilles tendinopathy.

A 2010 study simply concluded, "NBA basketball has... a predictably high rate of injury."

Klay hasn't broke the mold (just his tendon).

Increase in contact? There’s less contact now. Improvement in diagnostic tools? Isn’t that supposed to help?

ralph_i_el
11-19-2020, 01:56 PM
Not contact between players necessarily, but contact on joints from landing and falling after increasingly explosive moves.

AirBonner
11-19-2020, 02:04 PM
LeBeast is the only one to master weightlifting and longevity perfectly. Perfect specimen

ralph_i_el
11-19-2020, 02:30 PM
LeBeast is the only one to master weightlifting and longevity perfectly. Perfect specimen

yes.

He does a huge variety of exercises and therapies too, and gets an optimal amount of rest.

Dbrog
11-19-2020, 02:54 PM
There is certainly a point to be made here in that why are trainers (if it's them and not the players themselves) having these dudes lift so much? They should be doing basketball specific training. We are seeing it in crazy levels this year in the NFL where players went hard in the weight room but weren't doing any football related drills and then they get rekt by soft tissue injuries throughout the season. You would think professionals in these fields would be aware enough to realize this

PP34Deuce
11-19-2020, 05:27 PM
Some of this is bad breaks and some of it is players not monitoring themselves.

L.Kizzle
11-19-2020, 05:29 PM
Or it can be that today they play an extreme amount of games even before they enter college and the NBA. This tears on the body and at the same time they are not practicing so much so they lose fundamentals because it is all about scoring and highlights in some tourmant.
They've always played tons of games in the off-season and before entering the NBA.

Im Still Ballin
11-19-2020, 05:41 PM
Why are there more injuries?

Because of an increase in sedentary lifestyles, particularly in early age.

Back in my youth I used to walk 5 miles to school, carrying 10 pounds of bags and gear. I was an avid lacrosse player -- captain of the varsity squad.

Kids these days have got it easy.

tanibanana
11-19-2020, 07:25 PM
Its all things mentioned. Not just a particular few reasons. The sedentary lifestyles of kids, the heavy weight training, increase in non-warranted contacts, etc., these are all part of it.
Like to include injuries today are more accounted, I believe so.

oldtimer28
11-19-2020, 09:03 PM
This is not particular to this era. Injury rates have been increasing for 5 decades. There was a 12.4% increase from 1989 to 1998 in one study, for example.

The reasons cited for the increasing rates of injury in the NBA:

- Increase in contact
- Increase is size and speed of players
- Improvement in diagnostic tools

Injury to the lower extremity is by far the most common type of injury in the NBA (62% of all injuries), and that's been consistent since 1970.

Achilles tendinopathy is actually quite common in the NBA. It's as common as a wrist sprain, foot sprain, thumb sprain and hip contusion. But it's also a condition that weakens the achilles and makes it vulnerable to rupture, so naturally we'd expect to see achilles ruptures as a result of the frequency of achilles tendinopathy.

A 2010 study simply concluded, "NBA basketball has... a predictably high rate of injury."

Klay hasn't broke the mold (just his tendon).

Great post, except the last line.

paksat
11-20-2020, 12:59 PM
having trained with a trainer who is close with both the miami heat and the sixers training staff, I got a laugh out of a few of the things they had us doing.

one of which was jumping off a platform that's around 3 feet high and SLAMMING your feet into the ground. That was literally the excercise, and I can't remember what it's called now. I'm sitting there like, "so you want me to just completely go out of my way to destroy my joints and my knees?"

Walk on Water
11-20-2020, 02:55 PM
I hope I don’t hurt my Achilles. I workout. I’m worried because when some of these highly conditioned athletes tore their Achilles, they were just walking basically. Like Cousins, he was just going in for a rebound and tore it. When Durant tore it he was just playing some D. They weren’t doing any crazy moves but it tore.

So I’m a bit worried. I workout.

oldtimer28
11-20-2020, 07:04 PM
I hope I don’t hurt my Achilles. I workout. I’m worried because when some of these highly conditioned athletes tore their Achilles, they were just walking basically. Like Cousins, he was just going in for a rebound and tore it. When Durant tore it he was just playing some D. They weren’t doing any crazy moves but it tore.

So I’m a bit worried. I workout.

Democrats will say wear a mask. or stay inside. You'll be fine.

oldtimer28
11-20-2020, 07:04 PM
having trained with a trainer who is close with both the miami heat and the sixers training staff, I got a laugh out of a few of the things they had us doing.

one of which was jumping off a platform that's around 3 feet high and SLAMMING your feet into the ground. That was literally the excercise, and I can't remember what it's called now. I'm sitting there like, "so you want me to just completely go out of my way to destroy my joints and my knees?"

Yes, really surprised about the popularity of plyometrics. Great rewards but also high risks.