“We can flatten the curve....again” - Gavin Newsom (California 10 pm to 5 am curfew)

[warriorfan]

https://i.postimg.cc/DybkcT53/DEAB0-FB0-7-D09-460-A-A603-5556-A6-E116-EE.jpg

:roll:

[BigKobeFan]

https://i.postimg.cc/DybkcT53/DEAB0-FB0-7-D09-460-A-A603-5556-A6-E116-EE.jpg

:roll:

Very convenient right after he went out to a party of 20 people

[Doomsday Dallas]

As long as they still get to protest in the streets... I don't see a problem with the stay at home order.

[falc39]

Gavin :facepalm

[Cleverness]

Very convenient right after he went out to a party of 20 people


And there's no reason for the pseudoscientific lockdowns. We have 5,300 people hospitalized with COVID (was at 9,000 in July and hospitals WAY below average census) in a state of ~40,000,000 people.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnO1TcrVEAA8Lvz?format=jpg&name=medium


Our ruler sets a great example for all: he keeps his winery open, sends his children to in-person schooling, and has dinner parties with other elites, such as California Medical Association officials at The French Laundry.

Happy Day 249 of 15 Days to Slow the Spread.

Posted this in the other thread.

[bladefd]

Most people sleep 10pm-5am anyways unless if they work night-shift. Won't impact most people. I don't think it's going to change much in flattening the curve. Best bet is to wait for vaccine and mandate masks across the state to buy time until vaccines, which are around the corner.

[Cleverness]

Most people sleep 10pm-5am anyways unless if they work night-shift. Won't impact most people. I don't think it's going to change much in flattening the curve. Best bet is to wait for vaccine and mandate masks across the state to buy time until vaccines, which are around the corner.

A pointless, overrated mask mandate. Anything else you'd like to mandate?

[Cleverness]

(Masks have already been mandated in CA for months. USA has one of the highest mask compliance in the world; 80-90% since July, yet virus spreading out of control.)

[bladefd]

(Masks have already been mandated in CA for months. USA has one of the highest mask compliance in the world; 80-90% since July, yet virus spreading out of control.)

Link?

I would be surprised if it's over 50-60%..

[AKA_AAP]

So between 5 am and 10 pm, no one can catch the DNC/CCP virus? Can we protest in front of Communist Newsom's house after 10 pm? I mean if ANTIFA and BLM joins us, wouldn't that qualify as "essential"?

[diamenz]

don't worry small business & restaurant owners, pelosi & mcconnell are hard at work prioritizing your struggles.

[Gruppenführer]

Covid only comes out from 10pm to 5am?? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Most people sleep 10pm-5am anyways unless if they work night-shift. Won't impact most people. I don't think it's going to change much in flattening the curve. Best bet is to wait for vaccine and mandate masks across the state to buy time until vaccines, which are around the corner.

“It’s pointless and won’t do anything, so maybe we should all just do it.“

Bladefd with another one.

Seriously though where are the numbers that are showing this huge spike of new Covid infections in between 10pm and 5am? What are they exactly trying to accomplish here? It’s very strange.

[Cleverness]

Link?

I would be surprised if it's over 50-60%..

There's plenty of data out there, but here's the first one that popped up from Carnegie Mellon University.

https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=fb-survey-smoothed_wearing_mask&level=state&date=20201115&signalType=value&encoding=color&mode=overview&region=42003

Hover over states if you want; the only places below 80% are Wyoming (76%) and South Dakota (76%).

Here in the US we've been wearing masks hardcore since July; mask mandates simply don't work. Same with France, Germany, UK, Spain, etc. Virus completely out of control in all these places.

[Cleverness]

Here's the second one from my web search:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/

More than eight-in-ten U.S. adults (85%) say they have done so all or most of the time over the past month, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted Aug. 3 to 16. When asked the same question in early June, 65% of Americans said they had been regularly wearing masks.

[ZenMaster]

Please tell me they're not presenting the vaccine in a way, where they can still argue and order people to stay at home and not work.

https://streamable.com/7zyrmd

If the vaccine prevents 90% of covid19 deaths, don't they more or less just need to give it people above 60 years old and the deaths would almost completely vanish?

[Lil-Shrimp]

of course the usual retards completely ignoring Newson having a gathering and still trying to force other into wearing mask and going into lockdowns:oldlol:

[AKA_AAP]

I think now is a great time to rent out a very nice airbnb for about 4 weeks, in a different state of course. A red state, just in case any other blue states implement these curfews. And for a nice F U to the socialists/communists losers of this country, like rrr3, I'll record all my out of state expenses as a "business expense".

Is Commiefornia the only state with this curfew so far?

[Cleverness]

Please tell me they're not presenting the vaccine in a way, where they can still argue and order people to stay at home and not work.

https://streamable.com/7zyrmd

If the vaccine prevents 90% of covid19 deaths, don't they more or less just need to give it people above 60 years old and the deaths would almost completely vanish?

The difficult part of all this is there hasn't been a clear goal/objective since April.

On March 16th the goal was clear: 15 days to slow the spread to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. Our "experts" in charge predicted a 15-50% hospitalization rate with covid-19; the actual rate of hospitalization is ~1%, on par or below seasonal flu.

Since then there is no clear goal.

Preventing hospitals from being overwhelmed = clear goal, plenty of solutions/options available, achievable
"Controlling the virus" = defined by media, not a clear goal, impossible to achieve

[Cleverness]

Is Commiefornia the only state with this curfew so far?

Ohio too.

[AKA_AAP]

Ohio too.

So...we can only get this DNC/CCP virus thing once? That's what everyone around me has been saying. So why not let the ones that already have had it continue with normal life? ...or are they still carriers and therefore can still give it out to anyone? Either way, sick power grab by the American Communist/democrat party.

[Cleverness]

So...we can only get this DNC/CCP virus thing once? That's what everyone around me has been saying. So why not let the ones that already have had it continue with normal life? ...or are they still carriers and therefore can still give it out to anyone? Either way, sick power grab by the American Communist/democrat party.

It's not a DNC CCP virus; it's a widespread coronavirus, similar to a bad cold.

We should let everyone continue with their lives.

[falc39]

Here's the second one from my web search:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/

More than eight-in-ten U.S. adults (85%) say they have done so all or most of the time over the past month, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted Aug. 3 to 16. When asked the same question in early June, 65% of Americans said they had been regularly wearing masks.

I’m looking at some of these studies.... so basically, they are asking people if they regularly wear a mask? I don’t know how reliable that is. I can think of quite a few people I work with who probably would have said yes to such a survey when in practice are pretty lax with the mask-wearing.

[warriorfan]

I’m looking at some of these studies.... so basically, they are asking people if they regularly wear a mask? I don’t know how reliable that is. I can think of quite a few people I work with who probably would have said yes to such a survey when in practice are pretty lax with the mask-wearing.

In California probably more like 99% have been regularly wearing a mask. You literally haven’t been allowed inside anywhere without them for over 6 months.

[falc39]

In California probably more like 99% have been regularly wearing a mask. You literally haven’t been allowed inside anywhere without them for over 6 months.

I’m saying I see people who walk into work with a mask, but take it off at times that make no sense. People will take it off during a meeting so they can talk more clearly, etc. I guess these people get counted as people who regularly wear masks?

[Cleverness]

I’m looking at some of these studies.... so basically, they are asking people if they regularly wear a mask? I don’t know how reliable that is. I can think of quite a few people I work with who probably would have said yes to such a survey when in practice are pretty lax with the mask-wearing.

I don't think it's that far off from the truth. Lots of places have had mask mandates for several months bro; not hard to believe 90%+ wear masks in public.

(Btw I've traveled to a few different states this year and masks were quite widespread as they are throughout California. Sad really.)

Another poll if you want it https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-mask-americans-tops-poll.html

Remember these?

May 8th: "Infections would plummet if 80% of Americans wore masks" (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says)

Oblivious to seasonality and the data right in front of him...

July 14: "We can control the virus in 4-8 weeks if everyone wore a mask (https://www.axios.com/cdc-director-masking-coronavirus-dba00f19-4167-43a0-b021-9a9e66974517.html)." - Quack CDC Dir

August 21: "The U.S. can get the coronavirus under control in 4-12 weeks if nearly everyone wears masks, washes hands regularly and practices social distancing," - Quack CDC Dir

Sept 16: “I might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367) - Quack CDC Dir

:rolleyes:

They simply don't work, or at best, don't work as well as people would like them to work, which is why I've ALWAYS been against mask mandates. Always.

[Axe]

I’m saying I see people who walk into work with a mask, but take it off at times that make no sense. People will take it off during a meeting so they can talk more clearly, etc. I guess these people get counted as people who regularly wear masks?
Like when eating, drinking or smoking, for example? How are you supposed to do that with your mask on? :oldlol:

[Cleverness]

In California probably more like 99% have been regularly wearing a mask. You literally haven’t been allowed inside anywhere without them for over 6 months.

Yeah, some businesses employ people to sit/stand at the entrances enforcing these rules.

[Cleverness]

I’m saying I see people who walk into work with a mask, but take it off at times that make no sense. People will take it off during a meeting so they can talk more clearly, etc. I guess these people get counted as people who regularly wear masks?

Yes, they do. Same with people who:

don't clean their (useless) cloth masks / bandannas regularly.
don't change their surgical mask (these are for surgery, btw) every ~2 hours as recommended
don't wear it properly
touch their mask
throw it away in a regular trash
visit other households w/o masks
etc

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjSujciVoAAS5At?format=jpg&name=small

[falc39]

I don't think it's that far off from the truth. Lots of places have had mask mandates for several months bro; not hard to believe 90%+ wear masks in public.

(Btw I've traveled to a few different states this year and masks were quite widespread as they are throughout California. Sad really.)

Another poll if you want it https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-mask-americans-tops-poll.html

Remember these?

May 8th: "Infections would plummet if 80% of Americans wore masks" (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says)

Oblivious to seasonality and the data right in front of him...

July 14: "We can control the virus in 4-8 weeks if everyone wore a mask (https://www.axios.com/cdc-director-masking-coronavirus-dba00f19-4167-43a0-b021-9a9e66974517.html)." - Quack CDC Dir

August 21: "The U.S. can get the coronavirus under control in 4-12 weeks if nearly everyone wears masks, washes hands regularly and practices social distancing," - Quack CDC Dir

Sept 16: “I might even go so far as to say that this facemask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14145367&viewfull=1#post14145367) - Quack CDC Dir

:rolleyes:

They simply don't work, or at best, don't work as well as people would like them to work, which is why I've ALWAYS been against mask mandates. Always.

So just take people for their word? That isn’t always reliable, especially with something that isn’t so black and white. What do you make of this then? Are the counters lying? https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-covid-19-masks-who-is-following-the-rules/

[Cleverness]

Predicted infections: 96,000,000
Predicted hospitalizations: 48,000,000
Conclusion: 15 days to Slow the Spread, flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Actual infections: ~96,000,000
Actual hospitalizations: ~500,000
Conclusion: mask mandates, school closures, lockdowns, business closures, heavy regulations, etc for 249 days and counting.

We can quibble about the actual infections (my estimate is roughly ~60-120 million so far), but look at the data and ask yourself falc39: do these conclusions make any sense to you? Does the data support the theory that mask mandates are effective and worth their costs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14184556&viewfull=1#post14184556)? Are they as good as the mainstream narrative behind them?

[Cleverness]

So just take people for their word? That isn’t always reliable, especially with something that isn’t so black and white. What do you make of this then? Are the counters lying? https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-covid-19-masks-who-is-following-the-rules/

Were all of these locations outdoors and/or on the beach? If so, yeah, I can see only ~50% wearing them in that particular setting. Hell, I can see it being almost 0% at family picnics and/or in other people's homes. Not even the biggest mask proponents wear it 100% of the time outdoors (Cuomo, Cuomo, Lightfoot, DiBlasio, ...)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Em5lcr1WMAA6Lq-?format=jpg&name=small

Did they do any observations indoors in grocery stores? Malls? Work?

edit: remember: we had 20 million people gather in May/June and not a single hospitalization/death w/ covid connected to those gatherings. no evidence of any "spikes" in any of those places either. 500,000 gathered in sturgis Aug 7, many high risk (many 50+ fat dudes), 1 known hospitalization linked.

[bladefd]

“It’s pointless and won’t do anything, so maybe we should all just do it.“

Bladefd with another one.

Seriously though where are the numbers that are showing this huge spike of new Covid infections in between 10pm and 5am? What are they exactly trying to accomplish here? It’s very strange.

No, I said it won't matter one way or other if lockdown was 10pm to 5pm. Do it or don't, it won't change much one way or the other because most people are not out in those timings aa it is.

[bladefd]

There's plenty of data out there, but here's the first one that popped up from Carnegie Mellon University.

https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=fb-survey-smoothed_wearing_mask&level=state&date=20201115&signalType=value&encoding=color&mode=overview®ion=42003

Hover over states if you want; the only places below 80% are Wyoming (76%) and South Dakota (76%).

Here in the US we've been wearing masks hardcore since July; mask mandates simply don't work. Same with France, Germany, UK, Spain, etc. Virus completely out of control in all these places.

It's a facebook poll.. Much like doing a Twitter poll lol. That doesn't mean much

[Cleverness]

It's a facebook poll.. Much like doing a Twitter poll lol. That doesn't mean much

Not at all like a twitter poll. https://cmu-delphi.github.io/delphi-epidata/api/covidcast-signals/fb-survey.html

Also, look at the next two polls I posted. Same results.

Edit: made it easy for you to click on the other polls. I can find many, many others, but the fact is 80-90% of Americans have been wearing masks in public since July - no evidence they've helped at all.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487457-%93We-can-flatten-the-curve-again%94-Gavin-Newsom-(California-10-pm-to-5-am-curfew)&p=14187303&viewfull=1#post14187303

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487457-%93We-can-flatten-the-curve-again%94-Gavin-Newsom-(California-10-pm-to-5-am-curfew)&p=14187372&viewfull=1#post14187372

[warriorfan]

No, I said it won't matter one way or other if lockdown was 10pm to 5pm. Do it or don't, it won't change much one way or the other because most people are not out in those timings aa it is.

“It won’t matter much one way or another, because most people won't be round up in concentration camps and killed anyways.“

-Bladefd in 1940’s Germany

[bladefd]

Here's the second one from my web search:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/

More than eight-in-ten U.S. adults (85%) say they have done so all or most of the time over the past month, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted Aug. 3 to 16. When asked the same question in early June, 65% of Americans said they had been regularly wearing masks.

That's better. As per that survey, mask usage does seem pretty high. I'm curious to find out how many of the people who said no to wearing a mask got covid and how many that wore a mask did get covid.

We will probably never know, but I would also be curious of the political breakdown of the ones who got covid - more Republicans skip out on mask than democrats as per that survey. I would be very much curious of that.

[AKA_AAP]

The Orange County Sheriff's Department said its deputies will not be enforcing Gov. Gavin Newsom's limited stay at home order.

SANTA ANA, Calif. (KABC) -- The Orange County Sheriff's Department said its deputies will not be enforcing Gov. Gavin Newsom's limited stay at home order that was announced Thursday.

"At this time, due to the need to have deputies available for emergency calls for service, deputies will not be responding to requests for face-coverings or social gatherings-only enforcement," a statement from Sheriff Don Barnes said.

The OCSD said it has so far taken an "education-first approach" to public health orders and is assessing Newsom's limited stay at home order.

Newsom has ordered a curfew for all California counties in the purple tier amid climbing coronavirus cases. That includes Orange County, which moved from the less restrictive red tier to purple on Monday.

https://abc7.com/orange-county-coronavirus-ocsd-governor-gavin-newsom/8108711/

At least there's a major area in California that's not as stupid as kblaze.

[Cleverness]

That's better. As per that survey, mask usage does seem pretty high. I'm curious to find out how many of the people who said no to wearing a mask got covid and how many that wore a mask did get covid.

We will probably never know, but I would also be curious of the political breakdown of the ones who got covid - more Republicans skip out on mask than democrats as per that survey. I would be very much curious of that.

We have some (limited) data on that. Per CDC, 70.6% of outpatients in 11 academic health care facilities who tested positive reported use of cloth face covering or mask 14 days before illness onset.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnMxl00VoAAvI3k?format=jpg&name=900x900




And...

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

^ This RCT was ~5,000 people, no statistically significant difference in infections from (highly compliant) mask wearers / non mask wearers.

Fact is the virus is not controlled by masks or lockdowns & CDC was correct in March (most Americans will be exposed by end of this year or next).

[warriorfan]

That's better. As per that survey, mask usage does seem pretty high. I'm curious to find out how many of the people who said no to wearing a mask got covid and how many that wore a mask did get covid.

We will probably never know, but I would also be curious of the political breakdown of the ones who got covid - more Republicans skip out on mask than democrats as per that survey. I would be very much curious of that.

Bladefd is very curious.

Who would have guessed.

[Cleverness]

We will probably never know, but I would also be curious of the political breakdown of the ones who got covid - more Republicans skip out on mask than democrats as per that survey. I would be very much curious of that.

2nd followup to this

A HUGE majority of the hospitalizations & deaths are in blue areas and a much much smaller number in red areas

I read somewhere that 80-85% of the deaths were in blue areas.

Note: again, I don't think human behaviors (masks, business closures, etc) have much effect on the virus spread. The virus doesn't care about your politics or "how seriously you take the virus" with your voodoo magic masks, 6 feet distancing when you're at Chipotle, etc. I think the best thing you can do to "protect yourself" from the virus is this: exercise, healthy weight, good diet, vitamin D, sleep well, basically take care of yourself. The rest is out of your control (genetics, some possible immunity to the virus, age, ...)

[bladefd]

So just take people for their word? That isn’t always reliable, especially with something that isn’t so black and white. What do you make of this then? Are the counters lying? https://www.latimes.com/projects/california-covid-19-masks-who-is-following-the-rules/

Good point. Being out there and actually seeing for yourself would probably tell a different story than just taking people's word for it on public polls.

I have seen quite a few people have their mask hanging on the chin rather than wearing it. I bet if they were polled after reaching home, many of them would say they wore a mask

[AKA_AAP]

Posted this in the other thread.

Interesting Communist Newsom wears a mask in his twitter profile pic, but doesn't wear masks at an indoor birthday party this month.

[Cleverness]

Good point. Being out there and actually seeing for yourself would probably tell a different story than just taking people's word for it on public polls.

And I had several counterpoints to that, one being here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487457-%93We-can-flatten-the-curve-again%94-Gavin-Newsom-(California-10-pm-to-5-am-curfew)&p=14187387&viewfull=1#post14187387

Where are you from? If you're in CA you already know 90%+ are wearing masks in public. Go to a mall, grocery store, gov't building, hospital, Walgreens, bike shop, etc. All employees are wearing masks, mask police at the door in many places, it's a mandate and people follow it for the most part. If you go out to the lake or a national park you may see less people with masks on outdoors, family/friend picnics, but people are wearing them where they would make sense (if they worked as well as ppl have been led to believe).

[falc39]

Predicted infections: 96,000,000
Predicted hospitalizations: 48,000,000
Conclusion: 15 days to Slow the Spread, flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Actual infections: ~96,000,000
Actual hospitalizations: ~500,000
Conclusion: mask mandates, school closures, lockdowns, business closures, heavy regulations, etc for 249 days and counting.

We can quibble about the actual infections (my estimate is roughly ~60-120 million so far), but look at the data and ask yourself falc39: do these conclusions make any sense to you? Does the data support the theory that mask mandates are effective and worth their costs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14184556&viewfull=1#post14184556)? Are they as good as the mainstream narrative behind them?

Well asking if mask mandates are effective is a completely different question than asking if masks are effective. I am seeing both those arguments in this forum and people are tending to mix the two (maybe you aren't, but others are). I am holding my opinion on mask mandates until more data comes in and they obviously aren't effective if no one is listening to the mandate. My questions on the 90% poll was because it is super-vague. There is no good definition of what "regularly" wearing actually means. I don't think asking people and depending on a honor system is that reliable either (80-90% of people think they are above-average drivers, too). I definitely could see if it is a very-high compliance in a public place that is monitored by people who won't let you in. But for example, my work, when I see people walk in with masks but take it off at various times when they shouldn't and if they were to get infected- I cannot jump to the conclusion that masks are not effective. Also, realize that a good amount of infections were traced to have happened in private gatherings where we all know mask compliance is very likely to be way lower than 90%, if there is any at all.

[bladefd]

And I had several counterpoints to that, one being here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487457-%93We-can-flatten-the-curve-again%94-Gavin-Newsom-(California-10-pm-to-5-am-curfew)&p=14187387&viewfull=1#post14187387

Where are you from? If you're in CA you already know 90%+ are wearing masks in public. Go to a mall, grocery store, gov't building, hospital, Walgreens, bike shop, etc. All employees are wearing masks, mask police at the door in many places, it's a mandate and people follow it for the most part. If you go out to the lake or a national park you may see less people with masks on outdoors, family/friend picnics, but people are wearing them where they would make sense (if they worked as well as ppl have been led to believe).

Masks limit exposure of covid if you are infected and you sneeze/cough/spit while talking. As long as you are wearing it properly and covering nose+mouth. Research has also shown that it has some impact on protecting you from viruses by putting a layer between your nose/mouth and open air. That's a fact. Period, end of story.

[SATAN]

Why are you trying to talk sense with a lunatic?

[Cleverness]

Masks limit exposure of covid if you are infected and you sneeze/cough/spit while talking. As long as you are wearing it properly and covering nose+mouth. Research has also shown that it has some impact on protecting you from viruses by putting a layer between your nose/mouth and open air. That's a fact. Period, end of story.

Now we're back to lab experiments that conclude your exposure may be limited and whatnot. Those are lab experiments and don't translate into the real world. Period. But not end of story. That's why we have 100 years of data on masks and real life mask studies, and why, based on those studies, the CDC recommended NOT universal masking. That's why the WHO doesn't recommend it either, citing there's simply no direct evidence to support universal masking.

Even Michael Osterholm, one of Biden's top coronavirus advisors (who has turned into a quack), didn't support masks in June this year. It's fitted N95 or better or nothing at all. MaxFly said this too.


youtube.com/watch?v=3CglBhn0znM


Michael Osterholm (former scientist) estimations:

96,000,000 infections
48,000,000 hospitalizations (his conservative estimate) (https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/joe-rogan-michael-osterholm-podcast-transcript-infectious-disease-expert-talks-coronavirus)

Conclusion: Do NOT lockdown.

"We are in uncharted territory. But the best alternative will probably entail letting those at low risk for serious disease continue to work, keep business and manufacturing operating, and “run” society, while at the same time advising higher-risk individuals to protect themselves through physical distancing and ramping up our health-care capacity as aggressively as possible. With this battle plan, we could gradually build up immunity without destroying the financial structure on which our lives are based." - Dr. Michael Osterholm (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/21/facing-covid-19-reality-national-lockdown-is-no-cure/), epidemiologist

:bowdown:




Actual data:

~96,000,000 infections
0.5 million hospitalizations

Conclusion: moar lockdownz

:banghead:

[falc39]

Now we're back to lab experiments that conclude your exposure may be limited and whatnot. Those are lab experiments and don't translate into the real world. Period. But not end of story. That's why we have 100 years of data on masks and real life mask studies, and why, based on those studies, the CDC recommended NOT universal masking. That's why the WHO doesn't recommend it either, citing there's simply no direct evidence to support universal masking.

Even Michael Osterholm, one of Biden's top coronavirus advisors (who has turned into a quack), didn't support masks in June this year. It's fitted N95 or better or nothing at all. MaxFly said this too.


youtube.com/watch?v=3CglBhn0znM

You are not telling the whole story. One of the main reasons masks were not recommended is because there was a critically short supply of masks. The CDC does recommend it now.

[Cleverness]

You are not telling the whole story. One of the main reasons masks were not recommended is because there was a critically short supply of masks. The CDC does recommend it now.

Short supply of cloth?

[falc39]

Short supply of cloth?

At one point we had front-line workers wearing the same masks way longer than they should or making their own makeshift made-at-home masks because there wasn't enough. I remember being asked to donate any masks I had.

[Cleverness]

Predicted infections: 96,000,000
Predicted hospitalizations: 48,000,000
Conclusion: 15 days to Slow the Spread, flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Actual infections: ~96,000,000
Actual hospitalizations: ~500,000
Conclusion: mask mandates, school closures, lockdowns, business closures, heavy regulations, etc for 249 days and counting.

We can quibble about the actual infections (my estimate is roughly ~60-120 million so far), but look at the data and ask yourself falc39: do these conclusions make any sense to you? Does the data support the theory that mask mandates are effective and worth their costs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14184556&viewfull=1#post14184556)? Are they as good as the mainstream narrative behind them?

falc, look at the data man. Look at where the mask mandates occurred and where they didn't in the US. You gotta take a rose-colored microscope to find benefits from mask mandates.

I've posted it a million times in the other thread, but seasonality and prior immunity >>>>>>> masks, lockdowns, school closures, etc

https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1329166087800254464 read

[Cleverness]

At one point we had front-line workers wearing the same masks way longer than they should or making their own makeshift made-at-home masks because there wasn't enough. I remember being asked to donate any masks I had.

N95s, sure, when fitted properly & in the right setting those can actually work.

Cloth, hell no, never a shortage of CLOTH. yet hella ppl walking around wearing them. Even Fauci, Trump, Pence, <insert politician here>, wear them (at least when they think they're on camera)

They were telling people not to wear masks based on 100+ years of science and data. Same in just about EVERY western country. It wasn't until April when they did a 180 based on nothing, and July when they made a big announcement based on junk two case studies, one of them being a retrospective case study on a hair stylist in Missouri. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487184-The-Science%99-Flip-Flops-on-Masks-(again)

[Cleverness]

Bladefd is very curious.

Who would have guessed.

haha for a minute there he started thinking. so much data out there showing they haven't done jack shit outside of lab experiment hypotheses and post hoc fallacies.

then he reverted back to "MASKS WORK. PERIOD. END OF STORY." :lol


I'd like to see one of them actually comment on some of the data right in front of them in the USA that I posted ITT twice.

Explain the results we see in peru w/ early military-enforced lockdown, early national mask mandate, #1 deaths/capita in the world. number. ****ing. one.

Despite different governments, look at the data in 53 African countries: almost no deaths, why?

Sweden, almost no deaths from July - October, why?

I'd honestly like to see them explain it.


And it had almost nothing to do with lockdowns and masks. Not all countries did a lockdown and masks don't do shit. 90% of Americans have been wearing masks in public since JUNE and NOTHING to show for it (and the places that aren't wearing masks just happen to have LESS deaths & hospitalizations w/ COVID).

Once again, the virus originated in October 2019. Wuhan China did a lockdown January 23rd. "It was contained so well that it would spread all around the world."

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EloQDopVkAEk3d4?format=jpg&name=medium

Not a coincidence. The military-enforced lockdowns and nationwide mask mandates in places like Peru and Argentina are real. It's not that "South America just didn't take it seriously enough" or "NE US didn't take it seriously enough" or "South Africa just didn't take it as seriously as the other 53 countries in Africa"

It's a widespread, seasonal coronavirus. It will spread throughout the world and those who are vulnerable will suffer. It's not that all 48 countries in Asia happened to have perfect plans and all countries in South America "did nothing."

The virus is not controlled by pseudoscience. The virus spreads until herd immunity/resistance develops. Most Americans would be exposed to it before the end of the year or next. THIS WAS KNOWN IN MARCH.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/cdc-urges-readiness-us-covid-19-count-passes-600

[falc39]

haha for a minute there he started thinking. so much data out there showing they haven't done jack shit outside of lab experiment hypotheses and post hoc fallacies.

then he reverted back to "MASKS WORK. PERIOD. END OF STORY." :lol


I'd like to see one of them actually comment on some of the data right in front of them in the USA that I posted ITT twice.

Explain the results we see in peru w/ early military-enforced lockdown, early national mask mandate, #1 deaths/capita in the world. number. ****ing. one.

Despite different governments, look at the data in 53 African countries: almost no deaths, why?

Sweden, almost no deaths from July - October, why?

I'd honestly like to see them explain it.

There are studies that do show effectiveness of masks, but you can't accept that either (because it is not real-world enough for you). Well I guess let's just go through history and throw out all research that was only done in a lab. Nor can you explain much about 90% compliance other than it is probably indoor public places, when we all know people spend maybe <1-5% of their day in these places. So using that to dispel masks is pretty useless. I'm not even saying you're wrong, it's just not as settled as you guys may think. And I already answered what I thought about mask mandates and the effectiveness of masks, which are entirely two different questions.

[Cleverness]

There are studies that do show effectiveness of masks, but you can't accept that either (because it is not real-world enough for you). Well I guess let's just go through history and throw out all research that was only done in a lab. Nor can you explain much about 90% compliance other than it is probably indoor public places, when we all know people spend maybe <1-5% of their day in these places. So using that to dispel masks is pretty useless. I'm not even saying you're wrong, it's just not as settled as you guys may think. And I already answered what I thought about mask mandates and the effectiveness of masks, which are entirely two different questions.

Lab experiments can be useful as a starting point, no doubt, but no western country recommended universal masking based on 100+ years of science and data until April (even though there wasn't any scientific breakthrough to support it). And again, there was never a shortage of cloth.

1-5% of their day? They probably spend 40+ hours per week wearing a mask at their job!!

Would it help slow the spread if everyone properly used fitted N95 masks 100% of the time? Of course I think so. But that is not realistic and not happening anywhere, nor is that a necessity to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed (remember the goal?).

I've listed plenty of downsides ro mask mandates in a post ITT

What have been the benefits of mask mandates so far? I don't expect it to be perfect, but try to be as specific as you can. Just think about how many masks have been used, for how many hours, by how many people, and how many hospitalizations/deaths with Covid-19 have they prevented. Your best guess.

That being said, we should really be addressing the larger issues.

What is the goal of our coronavirus response?
What should the gov't have done since April?

I know I've posted it 100 times, but I'll say it again:

No lockdowns
No multi-trillion dollar bank & corporate bailouts
No masks
No travel bans
No school closures
No bullshit

Supply hospitals and build field hospitals if needed (they were never needed and torn down, many after seeing zero patients). Supply testing for people who have severe illness for diagnosis to treat. Focus resources on the most vulnerable (nursing homes).

But no business regulations whatsoever. Everything should be allowed open 100%. Lmk if you disagree and what you disagree with.

[Cleverness]

https://www.aier.org/article/the-year-of-disguises/amp/ good article in case you haven't read it

https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1328815096424853506?s=19

Part 3 should be listened to first, but this is short audio clip worth listening to.

[falc39]

Lab experiments can be useful as a starting point, no doubt, but no western country recommended universal masking based on 100+ years of science and data until April (even though there wasn't any scientific breakthrough to support it). And again, there was never a shortage of cloth.

1-5% of their day? They probably spend 40+ hours per week wearing a mask at their job!!

Would it help slow the spread if everyone properly used fitted N95 masks 100% of the time? Of course I think so. But that is not realistic and not happening anywhere, nor is that a necessity to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed (remember the goal?).

I've listed plenty of downsides ro mask mandates in a post ITT

What have been the benefits of mask mandates so far? I don't expect it to be perfect, but try to be as specific as you can. Just think about how many masks have been used, for how many hours, by how many people, and how many hospitalizations/deaths with Covid-19 have they prevented. Your best guess.

That being said, we should really be addressing the larger issues.

What is the goal of our coronavirus response?
What should the gov't have done since April?

I know I've posted it 100 times, but I'll say it again:

No lockdowns
No multi-trillion dollar bank & corporate bailouts
No masks
No travel bans
No school closures
No bullshit

Supply hospitals and build field hospitals if needed (they were never needed and torn down, many after seeing zero patients). Supply testing for people who have severe illness for diagnosis to treat. Focus resources on the most vulnerable (nursing homes).

But no business regulations whatsoever. Everything should be allowed open 100%. Lmk if you disagree and what you disagree with.

Going to keep this short because I really have no desire to spend so much time on this topic and I have work in the morning. As for the two basic questions of masks, I'll reiterate but maybe clarify:

Masks can be effective but it will widely depend on the quality of mask and how the wearer uses it. 40 hours at work doesn't mean much if a lot of people are taking it off when they shouldn't and that we know a good portion of infections occur during private gatherings away from work.

Mask mandates I said I would hold opinion on that. There is new data and more data to come in the months ahead. I have read some that are claiming to show effectiveness. If I have some time I will try to find and post it.

[n00bie]

(Masks have already been mandated in CA for months. USA has one of the highest mask compliance in the world; 80-90% since July, yet virus spreading out of control.)

I dont believe that at all. Even in Canada it's not 80-90%, and we have less anti-maskers than the US.

In Asia, 100% of the population wore a facemask indoors AND outdoors. Only place they didnt wear a mask was their own home.

100% isnt even an exaggeration since in lots of places in Asia, not wearing a mask in public during a pandemic = jail time.

Half of my family are in Hong Kong and everyone in Asia laughs at us for being scared of a damn mask. It is pretty dumb when you think about it. Why do people spend so much time arguing over a mask?

[FourthTenor]

I dont believe that at all. Even in Canada it's not 80-90%, and we have less anti-maskers than the US.

In Asia, 100% of the population wore a facemask indoors AND outdoors. Only place they didnt wear a mask was their own home.

100% isnt even an exaggeration since in lots of places in Asia, not wearing a mask in public during a pandemic = jail time.

Half of my family are in Hong Kong and everyone in Asia laughs at us for being scared of a damn mask. It is pretty dumb when you think about it. Why do people spend so much time arguing over a mask?


:lol

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400xn/p07pvzj1.jpg


"Sirry Americans and their obsession with freedom. We raugh at them! Ah ha ha haaa!"


*commence collecting social credit data*

https://amp.thenationalnews.com/image/policy:1.774492:1538032405/AC27-China.jpg?f=16x9&w=1200&$p$f$w=ed7ade9

[Cleverness]

I dont believe that at all. Even in Canada it's not 80-90%, and we have less anti-maskers than the US.

In Asia, 100% of the population wore a facemask indoors AND outdoors. Only place they didnt wear a mask was their own home.

100% isnt even an exaggeration since in lots of places in Asia, not wearing a mask in public during a pandemic = jail time.

Half of my family are in Hong Kong and everyone in Asia laughs at us for being scared of a damn mask. It is pretty dumb when you think about it. Why do people spend so much time arguing over a mask?

1. Don't believe the facts? Think everyone in the world is lying on the surveys that show all these places with literal mask mandates aren't wearing them? Come on.

I live in California; we're obsessed with masks. We literally have people at the door who won't let you in if you're not wearing one. There are literally signs outside of almost every business, hospital, gov't building, etc that say you're required to wear a mask to enter. Employees have been instructed to refuse service if you're not wearing a mask. I've traveled to several states this year and it was largely the same thing.

2. I already showed photos of people not wearing masks in PACKED subways in Japan. Not 100% compliance. The surveys even showed ~80-90% mask compliance in some Asian countries. Do people visit other homes in Asia? Do they wear a mask 100% in someone else's home? There's hardly any deaths with COVID-19 in Asia amd Africa amd it's not because of masks. South America wears masks, early national mask mandates, and their death rates are higher than the US. NPIs are overrated.

3. https://twitter.com/DaFeid/status/1328276071301713920?s=19

[warriorfan]

:lol

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/400xn/p07pvzj1.jpg


"Sirry Americans and their obsession with freedom. We raugh at them! Ah ha ha haaa!"


*commence collecting social credit data*

https://amp.thenationalnews.com/image/policy:1.774492:1538032405/AC27-China.jpg?f=16x9&w=1200&$p$f$w=ed7ade9

:roll: :roll:

[Charlie Sheen]

What's the point? Anyone who was going to stay at home, and isolate, is already doing that as a response to the spike. This is only going to encourage people to gather in protest. Tension in this city between the police and the community reached a high we haven't seen for 25 years this summer. And this guy wants the police to enforce this?

[Charlie Sheen]

I dont believe that at all. Even in Canada it's not 80-90%, and we have less anti-maskers than the US.



How can you make this statement one way or the other? Unless you were making a joke about people complaining on the internet. In that case, I apologize.

[BurningHammer]

3. https://twitter.com/DaFeid/status/1328276071301713920?s=19

>skipping all the parts that Taiwan being under strict COVID-19 protocol from the day the virus hit the island and now the case number is so low and under control they are doing business as usual

:roll:

[bladefd]

N95s, sure, when fitted properly & in the right setting those can actually work.

Cloth, hell no, never a shortage of CLOTH. yet hella ppl walking around wearing them. Even Fauci, Trump, Pence, <insert politician here>, wear them (at least when they think they're on camera)

They were telling people not to wear masks based on 100+ years of science and data. Same in just about EVERY western country. It wasn't until April when they did a 180 based on nothing, and July when they made a big announcement based on junk two case studies, one of them being a retrospective case study on a hair stylist in Missouri. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487184-The-Science%99-Flip-Flops-on-Masks-(again)

You are an idiot.

[pew]

3. https://twitter.com/DaFeid/status/1328276071301713920?s=19


Please don’t post about my country. You have no clue how seriously my country takes this virus and masking up. Posting about my country to further your agenda is an insult to everything we’ve done the past year

[Manny98]

“It won’t matter much one way or another, because most people won't be round up in concentration camps and killed anyways.“

-Bladefd in 1940’s Germany
Blade in a nutshell

https://i.postimg.cc/jdtDjCzN/e0e6f9a.jpg

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/zfgz71C8/a3a0448.jpg

[BurningHammer]

https://i.postimg.cc/zfgz71C8/a3a0448.jpg

>quoting another far right provocateur

[FultzNationRISE]

>quoting another far right provocateur


You are part of the problem.

[Cleverness]

>skipping all the parts that Taiwan being under strict COVID-19 protocol from the day the virus hit the island and now the case number is so low and under control they are doing business as usual

:roll:

Skipping my major points throughout the thread to pop in for Taiwan, as if their pseudoscience "controlled" the virus.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnUqdf6VQAIUUas?format=png&name=small

Anyways, let's see if you can form your own argument.

1. What do you think the US should have done in April?

2. How many lives has Trump's coronavirus task force saved? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved

[Cleverness]

N95s, sure, when fitted properly & in the right setting those can actually work.

Cloth, hell no, never a shortage of CLOTH. yet hella ppl walking around wearing them. Even Fauci, Trump, Pence, <insert politician here>, wear them (at least when they think they're on camera)

They were telling people not to wear masks based on 100+ years of science and data. Same in just about EVERY western country. It wasn't until April when they did a 180 based on nothing, and July when they made a big announcement based on junk two case studies, one of them being a retrospective case study on a hair stylist in Missouri. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487184-The-Science%99-Flip-Flops-on-Masks-(again)

I pretty much just restated the science/data behind masks and the fact there was never a shortage of cloth. If you want to prove there was a cloth shortage, please, feel free to put together that argument.


You are an idiot.

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.


It has to be n95 or n99 mask. Other masks don't stop viruses since viruses are so tiny.

[Cleverness]

>quoting another far right provocateur

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Cleverness]

Predicted infections: 96,000,000
Predicted hospitalizations: 48,000,000
Conclusion: 15 days to Slow the Spread, flatten the curve so hospitals aren't overwhelmed.

Actual infections: ~96,000,000
Actual hospitalizations: ~500,000
Conclusion: mask mandates, school closures, lockdowns, business closures, heavy regulations, etc for 249 days and counting.

We can quibble about the actual infections (my estimate is roughly ~60-120 million so far), but look at the data and ask yourself falc39: do these conclusions make any sense to you? Does the data support the theory that mask mandates are effective and worth their costs (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14184556&viewfull=1#post14184556)? Are they as good as the mainstream narrative behind them?

As I've said, since April we should have been open 100%.

Still waiting for plenty of people to
1. address the data
2. (tell us how many lives Trump's quack team saved) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved)
3. and present their case against mine: What do you think the gov't should have done since April?

falc39
bladefd
pew
burninghammer
n00bie
SATAN

etc

[Nanners]

On one hand, its hard not to feel like this curfew is just Californians getting the punishment they deserve for electing such awful politicians... at the same time I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the millions of californians who oppose this authoritarian idiocy and/or are having their livelihoods crushed under the weight of these insane regulations.

Cleverness - I hope you are able to find a way out of your dumpster fire of a state before it collapses into some brazil-esque dystopia... you deserve far better

[AKA_AAP]

It will be interesting to see which city's police departments actually enforces this curfew. Orange County has been opened this whole time, they don't give a ***** about Communist Newsom. That idiot went to an indoor birthday party, claimed it was outdoors, didn't wear a mask, no social distancing, more than 3 households, sitting shoulder to shoulder...and now he comes up with this curfew? I'm hoping more cities follow OC and take a stand as well.

[Nanners]

It will be interesting to see which city's police departments actually enforces this curfew. Orange County has been opened this whole time, they don't give a ***** about Communist Newsom. That idiot went to an indoor birthday party, claimed it was outdoors, didn't wear a mask, no social distancing, more than 3 households, sitting shoulder to shoulder...and now he comes up with this curfew? I'm hoping more cities follow OC and take a stand as well.

I dont think any of the cops will enforce these idiotic rules, and the left wing knows this... which is probably part of the reason why the anarchist/communist rioters have calling to defund the cops and replace them with armed leftist "social workers" or some shit

[BurningHammer]

As I've said, since April we should have been open 100%.

Still waiting for plenty of people to
1. address the data
2. (tell us how many lives Trump's quack team saved) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved)
3. and present their case against mine: What do you think the gov't should have done since April?

falc39
bladefd
pew
burninghammer
n00bie
SATAN

etc

>posting random graphs and numbers to fit your own narrative
>referring your own posts
>name calling

You've done great jobs! Keep going! :applause:

[warriorfan]

>posting random graphs and numbers to fit your own narrative
>referring your own posts
>name calling

You've done great jobs! Keep going! :applause:

You obviously have nothing else to say. You can leave and watch professional wrestling now.

Thanks.

[BurningHammer]

You obviously have nothing else to say. You can leave and watch professional wrestling now.

Thanks.
You people are walking in circle anyway.

And oh, you know I like pro wrestling! Thanks! :cheers:

[ZenMaster]

I dont think any of the cops will enforce these idiotic rules, and the left wing knows this... which is probably part of the reason why the anarchist/communist rioters have calling to defund the cops and replace them with armed leftist "social workers" or some shit


https://youtu.be/AI_pkvlp2q4

[Nanners]

https://youtu.be/AI_pkvlp2q4

:oldlol:

I just watched this video ~30 mins ago. My favorite moment is toward the end when someone says "this is a black lives matter protest"

This video is a perfect example of how to handle this bullshit... respectfully tell the cops to get the **** of your property and come back with a warrant (assuming they arent replaced by social workers first)

[Cleverness]

:applause:

that video is 2020 in a nutshell. murder/robbery/crime/etc skyrocketing, yet sheriffs/police are harassing middle class small business owners who have nearly lost everything from gov't pseudoscientific lockdowns, and your only ticket out is siding with the terrorists and identifying as BLM

[kabar]

:applause:

that video is 2020 in a nutshell. murder/robbery/crime/etc skyrocketing, yet sheriffs/police are harassing middle class small business owners who have nearly lost everything from gov't pseudoscientific lockdowns, and your only ticket out is siding with the terrorists and identifying as BLM

Only the braindead small business owners didn't make out of this pandemic with a profit.

[Cleverness]

me: 80-90% in US have been wearing masks since july.


There's plenty of data out there, but here's the first one that popped up from Carnegie Mellon University.

https://covidcast.cmu.edu/?sensor=fb-survey-smoothed_wearing_mask&level=state&date=20201115&signalType=value&encoding=color&mode=overview®ion=42003

Hover over states if you want; the only places below 80% are Wyoming (76%) and South Dakota (76%).

Here in the US we've been wearing masks hardcore since July; mask mandates simply don't work. Same with France, Germany, UK, Spain, etc. Virus completely out of control in all these places.

them: *i don't believe that*

me: here's another one


Here's the second one from my web search:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/08/27/more-americans-say-they-are-regularly-wearing-masks-in-stores-and-other-businesses/

More than eight-in-ten U.S. adults (85%) say they have done so all or most of the time over the past month, according to a Pew Research Center survey conducted Aug. 3 to 16. When asked the same question in early June, 65% of Americans said they had been regularly wearing masks.

them: well at the beach not everyone is wearing them...

me: beach? yeah sure, not everyone at picnics or in own home are wearing one 100% of the time either. Another poll if you want it https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-mask-americans-tops-poll.html

them: i still don't believe 80-90% Americans are wearing them. you're an idiot.

me: live under a rock or something? denying reality?



1. Don't believe the facts? Think everyone in the world is lying on the surveys that show all these places with literal mask mandates aren't wearing them? Come on.

I live in California; we're obsessed with masks. We literally have people at the door who won't let you in if you're not wearing one. There are literally signs outside of almost every business, hospital, gov't building, etc that say you're required to wear a mask to enter. Employees have been instructed to refuse service if you're not wearing a mask. I've traveled to several states this year and it was largely the same thing.

this is what malls look like. ~90-95%+ wearing masks. (a few wearing around their chins, but that's outside of the actual shops. once inside they have to wear them. this is America)
https://youtu.be/BaWJA26d5Ro?t=197

this is what our grocery stores look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu3AiIoc3vE

stop denying reality. 80-90% Americans have been wearing masks since july, virus not "under our control" at all.


As I've said, since April we should have been open 100%.

Still waiting for plenty of people to
1. address the data
2. (tell us how many lives Trump's quack team saved) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved)
3. and present their case against mine: What do you think the gov't should have done since April?

falc39
bladefd
pew
burninghammer
n00bie
SATAN

etc

[kabar]

me: 80-90% in US have been wearing masks since july.



them: *i don't believe that*

me: here's another one



them: well at the beach not everyone is wearing them...

me: beach? yeah sure, not everyone at picnics or in own home are wearing one 100% of the time either. Another poll if you want it https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-mask-americans-tops-poll.html

them: i still don't believe 80-90% Americans are wearing them. you're an idiot.

me: live under a rock or something? denying reality?




this is what malls look like. ~90-95%+ wearing masks. (a few wearing around their chins, but that's outside of the actual shops. once inside they have to wear them. this is America)
https://youtu.be/BaWJA26d5Ro?t=197

this is what our grocery stores look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu3AiIoc3vE

stop denying reality. 80-90% Americans have been wearing masks since july, virus not "under our control" at all.

Get a life lol. The fact you catalogue your prior posts is evidence you're a loser that has accomplished nothing in his life. That's why you think business owners have had it so bad. My parents have gotten $72k in PPP loans forgiven, $150k SBA loan over 30 years at 3%, and I got a decent amount forgiven for my LLC.
You.
Are.
A.
Loser.

[Cleverness]

Only the braindead small business owners didn't make out of this pandemic with a profit.

81% of US Small Businesses Lost Revenue (https://njbmagazine.com/njb-news-now/survey-81-of-us-small-businesses-lost-revenue-due-to-covid-19/)

i suppose those 81% of small businesses owners were braindead.

saw this (https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1296519368336011265)back in August. seems to be a good portrayal of what is happening rn in terms of gov't's war on a coronavirus that hospitalizes less than seasonal flu

"Amazon: profit up 100%
Walmart: profit up 80%
Target: profit up 80%
Lowe's: profit up 74%
Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Google: stock at record high

Small businesses: 21% closed; revenue for rest down 30%

We're seeing a monumental wealth transfer from mom & pops to conglomerates."


also, kabar, tell us (tell us how many lives Trump's quack team saved) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved) and present their case against mine: What do you think the gov't should have done since April?

[FultzNationRISE]

Get a life lol. The fact you catalogue your prior posts is evidence you're a loser that has accomplished nothing in his life. That's why you think business owners have had it so bad. My parents have gotten $72k in PPP loans forgiven, $150k SBA loan over 30 years at 3%, and I got a decent amount forgiven for my LLC.
You.
Are.
A.
Loser.

You could still be Jizzo.

But this also sounds a lot like Little Dick Nathan.

Is it you, nathan?

[Cleverness]

Get a life lol. The fact you catalogue your prior posts is evidence you're a loser that has accomplished nothing in his life. That's why you think business owners have had it so bad. My parents have gotten $72k in PPP loans forgiven, $150k SBA loan over 30 years at 3%, and I got a decent amount forgiven for my LLC.
You.
Are.
A.
Loser.

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser."

My prior posts contain the evidence people like you haven't addressed yet. If you keep dodging my points, I'll continue to bring them up until you address the main questions.

[kabar]

You could still be Jizzo.

But this also sounds a lot like Little Dick Nathan.

Is it you, nathan?
Is nathan another one of your gay lovers starface? Is that how you know Nathan's dick size ******?

[Cleverness]

Cleverness - I hope you are able to find a way out of your dumpster fire of a state before it collapses into some brazil-esque dystopia... you deserve far better

I'd PM the answer but this board still doesn't have PMs? lol.

[FultzNationRISE]

Is nathan another one of your gay lovers starface? Is that how you know Nathan's dick size ******?


No, nathan often complained about his dick size. He would lament the fact he was barely two inches long, and that girls paid no attention to his existence. He complained frequently about being a lonely, frustrated virgin with a shrimp cawk. He often made grandiose claims about his smarts and personality (:roll:) to compensate. He had a deep hatred for women in general. The whole board tended to bully him. We all felt kinda bad but he brought it on himself. He was a miserable small-dicked dweeb.

I think you may be him. You obviously live in the USA if your parents qualified for these loans. Nathan often talked about his immigrant parents' business. He also frequently bragged he was an entrepreneur, even though we never saw any evidence. He also typed with your angry, miserable tone and held the same general viewpoints.

I think we've found our little jizz rag.

Our very 'little' jizz rag.

[kabar]

81% of US Small Businesses Lost Revenue (https://njbmagazine.com/njb-news-now/survey-81-of-us-small-businesses-lost-revenue-due-to-covid-19/)

i suppose those 81% of small businesses owners were braindead.

saw this (https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/status/1296519368336011265)back in August. seems to be a good portrayal of what is happening rn in terms of gov't's war on a coronavirus that hospitalizes less than seasonal flu

"Amazon: profit up 100%
Walmart: profit up 80%
Target: profit up 80%
Lowe's: profit up 74%
Microsoft, Facebook, Apple, Google: stock at record high

Small businesses: 21% closed; revenue for rest down 30%

We're seeing a monumental wealth transfer from mom & pops to conglomerates."


also, kabar, tell us (tell us how many lives Trump's quack team saved) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?485046-How-many-lives-has-Trump-s-Coronavirus-Team-saved) and present their case against mine: What do you think the gov't should have done since April?

Of course revenue went down. Do you actually need a study to tell you that you dumbass? I am calling all the businesses who didn't take advantage of the grossly mismanaged stimulus braindead.

I don't have to tell you anything. Look at the asian countries surrounding China. Small homogeneous populations that have a strong sense of community from historical incursions that required them to protect themselves. The majority of these populations don't have qualms with mask mandates, social distancing, personal freedoms and that's fine, but we need to overcome America's more independent spirit with consistent messaging as the best counter to the spread of the virus depends on the behavior the population, not what the government does.

This still doesn't change the fact Trump is a piss poor leader that was getting played by Xi all long. Contrast SK gov messaging and US gov messaging after getting reassurances from Xi. The actions of SK gov/corporations started ramping testing supplies production in late Jan. If you don't see the contradictions from federal, state to local governments then you are blind. All those contradictions feed into the partisan natures of dumb americans with low iqs

[kabar]

No, nathan often complained about his dick size. He would lament the fact he was barely two inches long, and that girls paid no attention to his existence. He complained frequently about being a lonely, frustrated virgin with a shrimp cawk. He often made grandiose claims about his smarts and personality (:roll:) to compensate. He had a deep hatred for women in general. The whole board tended to bully him. We all felt kinda bad but he brought it on himself. He was a miserable small-dicked dweeb.

I think you may be him. You obviously live in the USA if your parents qualified for these loans. Nathan often talked about his immigrant parents' business. He also frequently bragged he was an entrepreneur, even though we never saw any evidence. He also typed with your angry, miserable tone and held the same general viewpoints.

I think we've found our little jizz rag.

Our very 'little' jizz rag.

Aww, gay little starface doesn't like getting clapped with the juvenile shit he throws out. How did Nathan's jizz taste?

[FultzNationRISE]

Of course revenue went down. Do you actually need a study to tell you that you dumbass? I am calling all the businesses who didn't take advantage of the grossly mismanaged stimulus braindead.

I don't have to tell you anything. Look at the asian countries surrounding China. Small homogeneous populations that have a strong sense of community from historical incursions that required them to protect themselves. The majority of these populations don't have qualms with mask mandates, social distancing, personal freedoms and that's fine, but we need to overcome America's more independent spirit with consistent messaging as the best counter to the spread of the virus depends on the behavior the population, not what the government does.

This still doesn't change the fact Trump is a piss poor leader that was getting played by Xi all long. Contrast SK gov messaging and US gov messaging after getting reassurances from Xi. The actions of SK gov/corporations started ramping testing supplies production in late Jan. If you don't see the contradictions from federal, state to local governments then you are blind. All those contradictions feed into the partisan natures of dumb americans with low iqs

Okay, now you sound like Jizzo again! Pretending to be an expert on international policy, but frequently bungling the simplest facts. (For those who dont know, JtotheIzzo once ADAMANTLY declared the Senate and Congress were separate bodies. We tried to explain it to him that the Senate was a part of Congress, but he laughed and called us stupid. Then he looked it up and disappeared few days amidst incessant clowning).

He thinks he's some kind of authority on international relations, but his rhetoric is all bluster and no substance.

So it's definitely one of the two. Jizzo or Jizzle.

He's showing signs of both.

Maybe they've merged, like Station in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey???

[kabar]

Okay, now you sound like Jizzo again! Pretending to be an expert on international policy, but frequently bungling the simplest facts. (For those who dont know, JtotheIzzo once ADAMANTLY declared the Senate and Congress were separate bodies. We tried to explain it to him that the Senate was a part of Congress, but he laughed and called us stupid. Then he looked it up and disappeared few days amidst incessant clowning).

He thinks he's some kind of authority on international relations, but his rhetoric is all bluster and no substance.

So it's definitely one of the two. Jizzo or Jizzle.

He's showing signs of both.

Maybe they've merged, like Station in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey???
Too many ***** in your brain to keep straight. Your mom had the same problem.

[FultzNationRISE]

Too many ***** in your brain to keep straight. Your mom had the same problem.

It's tough because you both have that same effeminate, catty defensiveness. Clearly an insecurity manifested as sassy aggression.

Now that I think about it, JtotheIzzo did also get exposed on here for asking the bodybuilding forum for advice on being an overweight loser who can't get women.

But nathanjizzle wasn't overweight. So you're probably not the same guys.

Just remarkably similar.

Dopplegangers!

[kabar]

It's tough because you both have that same effeminate, catty defensiveness.

Now that I think about it, JtotheIzzo did also get exposed on here for asking the bodybuilding forum for advice on being an overweight loser who can't get women.

But nathanjizzle wasn't overweight. So you're probably no the same guys.

Just remarkably similar.

Dopplegangers!
Ahh Nathan spurned you too. So you wouldn't know how his jizz tastes. Hope you accuse every new account so you can your daily fix.

[FultzNationRISE]

Look at the response times :lol

Jizzo responding in SECONDS.

Slamming that refresh button in anticipation of more human interaction.

[Cleverness]

I don't have to tell you anything. Look at the asian countries surrounding China. Small homogeneous populations that have a strong sense of community from historical incursions that required them to protect themselves. The majority of these populations don't have qualms with mask mandates, social distancing, personal freedoms and that's fine, but we need to overcome America's more independent spirit with consistent messaging as the best counter to the spread of the virus depends on the behavior the population, not what the government does.

This still doesn't change the fact Trump is a piss poor leader that was getting played by Xi all long. Contrast SK gov messaging and US gov messaging after getting reassurances from Xi. The actions of SK gov/corporations started ramping testing supplies production in late Jan. If you don't see the contradictions from federal, state to local governments then you are blind. All those contradictions feed into the partisan natures of dumb americans with low iqs

1. Lol, yeah, all Asian countries controlled the virus because of NPIs.- Bullshit.

2. 53 African countries controlled the virus because of NPIs too?

3. Countries in South America, such as Peru, had military-enforced lockdowns & mandatory masks nationwide - #1 deaths/capita worldwide. Didn't lockdown hard enough?

4. Explain why Sweden "controlled the virus" w/ < 5 daily deaths with COVID from July - Oct.

5. Mask use is 80-90% in the US since July bro. We social distance better than many Asian countries. You and Trump are getting played by Xi. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

6. Your answer wasn't clear at all. How many lives has Trump's team saved? What should the gov't have done in April? You talk about overcoming "America's independent spirit" (which is complete horseshit), but never address the questions.

[kabar]

Look at the response times :lol

Jizzo responding in SECONDS.

Slamming that refresh button in anticipation of more human interaction.

Starface craving that salty dick juice. Someone help him out.

[kabar]

1. Lol, yeah, all Asian countries controlled the virus because of NPIs.- Bullshit.

2. 53 African countries controlled the virus because of NPIs too?

3. Countries in South America, such as Peru, had military-enforced lockdowns & mandatory masks nationwide - #1 deaths/capita worldwide. Didn't lockdown hard enough?

4. Explain why Sweden "controlled the virus" w/ < 5 daily deaths with COVID from July - Oct.

5. Mask use is 80-90% in the US since July bro. We social distance better than many Asian countries. You and Trump are getting played by Xi. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

6. Your answer wasn't clear at all. How many lives has Trump's team saved? What should the gov't have done in April? You talk about overcoming "America's independent spirit" (which is complete horseshit), but never address the questions.
More strawmans like why did lockdowns work here and not there just show how inept you are at critical thinking. Countries are different, an idiot like you should at least know that. Listing 6 different one liners that have no cohesive point just shows you've spent too much time on the internet collecting things that confirm your bias.

My answer isn't vague. I already said go look at SK's response, but I expect you're stupid enough to expect me type it out like you've done with cataloguing your posts. Don't hold your breath, I'm not a useless idiot like you.:oldlol:

[Cleverness]

More strawmans like why did lockdowns work here and not there just show how inept you are at critical thinking. Countries are different, an idiot like you should at least know that. Listing 6 different one liners that have no cohesive point just shows you've spent too much time on the internet collecting things that confirm your bias.

My answer isn't vague. I already said go look at SK's response, but I expect you're stupid enough to expect me type it out like you've done with cataloguing your posts. Don't hold your breath, I'm not a useless idiot like you.:oldlol:

You made strong claims. I asked questions for you to back them up. You're dodging again, all 6, and especially #6, which was the original question been asked of you over and over, yet you duck and dodge.

[kabar]

You made strong claims. I asked questions for you to back them up. You're dodging again, all 6, and especially #6, which was the original question been asked of you over and over, yet you duck and dodge.

This isn't quiz time. Use your brain and play devil's advocate instead of wasting hours searching through hundreds of pages in the coronavirus thread for your useless posts.

[Cleverness]

This isn't quiz time. Use your brain and play devil's advocate instead of wasting hours searching through hundreds of pages in the coronavirus thread for your useless posts.

You come in here with strong claims, but you can't back them up. Try again.

2. 53 African countries controlled the virus because of NPIs too?

3. Countries in South America, such as Peru, had military-enforced lockdowns & mandatory masks nationwide - #1 deaths/capita worldwide. Didn't lockdown hard enough?

4. Explain why Sweden "controlled the virus" w/ < 5 daily deaths with COVID from July - Oct.

5. Mask use is 80-90% in the US since July bro. We social distance better than many Asian countries. You denying this too?

6. Your answer wasn't clear at all. How many lives has Trump's team saved? What should the gov't have done in April? You talk about overcoming "America's independent spirit" (which is complete horseshit), but never address the questions.

[kabar]

You come in here with strong claims, but you can't back them up. Try again.

2. 53 African countries controlled the virus because of NPIs too?

3. Countries in South America, such as Peru, had military-enforced lockdowns & mandatory masks nationwide - #1 deaths/capita worldwide. Didn't lockdown hard enough?

4. Explain why Sweden "controlled the virus" w/ < 5 daily deaths with COVID from July - Oct.

5. Mask use is 80-90% in the US since July bro. We social distance better than many Asian countries. You and Trump are getting played by Xi. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...389486593.html

6. Your answer wasn't clear at all. How many lives has Trump's team saved? What should the gov't have done in April? You talk about overcoming "America's independent spirit" (which is complete horseshit), but never address the questions.
No you can play 21 questions with that ****** starface. Help yourselves to a room.:cheers:

[Cleverness]

No you can play 21 questions with that ****** starface. Help yourselves to a room.:cheers:

It's not 21 questions. It's a few basic questions for you to back up your claims / post hoc fallacy.

[BigKobeFan]

It's not 21 questions. It's a few basic questions for you to back up your claims / post hoc fallacy.

Kabar is a ****ing idiot

[FultzNationRISE]

Kabar is a ****ing idiot


He has a history of making up different backstories of his life on different gimmick accounts.

A truly unhinged virgin.

Not only that but politically hes a complete moron who thinks he’s highly astute.

[BigKobeFan]

He has a history of making up different backstories of his life on different gimmick accounts.

A truly unhinged virgin.

Not only that but politically hes a complete moron who thinks he’s highly astute.

Kabar is most likely wheels

[Axe]

Lol wtf happened in this thread :oldlol:

[Proctor]

He has a history of making up different backstories of his life on different gimmick accounts.

A truly unhinged virgin.

Not only that but politically hes a complete moron who thinks he’s highly astute.
https://theregulatortoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/pot-kettle.jpg

[FultzNationRISE]

https://theregulatortoo.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/pot-kettle.jpg

https://64.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mf1t8xKhjc1qe0rut.gif


You're addicted to being wrong :oldlol: