Lakers and Montrezl Harrell agree to deal [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

ELITEpower23

11-20-2020, 10:54 PM

Are the Clippers a sinking ship all because of a Kawhi Leonard signing? They were shining pretty brightly in the 2019 playoffs, swiping two games off of the pre injury KD Warriors but now their picks are gone, Doc is gone, Ty Lue is the HC, and they lost their 6th man of the year winner. Interesting development.

bison

11-20-2020, 10:55 PM

ELITEpower23

11-20-2020, 10:57 PM

Man, if this is true, I hate it for the Lakers.

I don't like it for the Lakers either. He adds scoring and some rebounding but he doesn't really space the floor (can't shoot 3s) or play great defense. He fits the small ball role with Harrel at the 5 and AD at the 4 but that means the Lakers are playing a 6'7 "center" and as mentioned he does not space the floor at all.

StrongLurk

11-20-2020, 10:57 PM

Wow what? That is very surprising.

This new Lakers team is weird but it could work out (barring injuries). They still need some 3 point shooting BADLY.

ELITEpower23

11-20-2020, 10:58 PM

He has his pros and cons. He’s a dog and is a better scorer than Dwight but god I loved having the javale/Dwight shot blocking combo on this team. Fortunate thing is none of these guys are a make-or-break deal for the lakers. The rockets series proved lakers can be effective at small ball as well.

It appears that the Lakers are essentially swapping rim protection and defense/rebounding for more scoring and a small ball centric line up.

Bronbron23

11-20-2020, 10:59 PM

Per woj

Well thats a wrap boys

Axe

11-20-2020, 11:00 PM

First matthews, now montrezl harris lmao.

NBAGOAT

11-20-2020, 11:00 PM

this is hilarious with how much shit lakers fans gave harrell

ELITEpower23

11-20-2020, 11:01 PM

this is hilarious with how much shit lakers fans gave harrell

18 and 7 as the 3rd or 4th fiddle isn't all that bad. I bet the Lakers wish he could shoot 3s though.

1987_Lakers

11-20-2020, 11:05 PM

Damn, Lakers adding alot of firepower this offseason. Not a huge fan of him, but no doubt he can ball, also makes the Clippers weaker

Goldrush25

11-20-2020, 11:10 PM

He has his pros and cons. He’s a dog and is a better scorer than Dwight but god I loved having the javale/Dwight shot blocking combo on this team. Fortunate thing is none of these guys are a make-or-break deal for the lakers. The rockets series proved lakers can be effective at small ball as well.

Still have Javale, and Lakers aren't done. We'll see what they end up with. If they get Gasol I think it's a net positive.

Montrezl is a huge energy guy. I like the signing more than most apparently.

brownmamba00

11-20-2020, 11:12 PM

Harrell is ass we need guards that can score not bigs

Kingwillball

11-20-2020, 11:25 PM

Watching highlights of Harrell dude is literally all about ever get and hustle most of his basjeters are attacking rim and Lebon and AD will get him a lot of bunnies. Also his defense is good as hell defender and also covering undersized 5’s or 4s.. he is a nice fit to close gms along side AD. He gives Lakers versatility. Interesting to see how Lakers finish off roster but they are a better team then they were last year potentially.

StrongLurk

11-20-2020, 11:26 PM

Harrell will be very useful for the regular season, not sure about playoffs. Lakers have to make sure Lebron/AD stay healthy and Harrell can let AD rest during the regular season.

3ball

11-20-2020, 11:30 PM

dont like it

no D, no size, doesnt spread the floor

when has a tweener ever won a ring
Bookmark this thread because I promise that everyone will be saying Montrezl is complete garbage next year alongside lebron

Facts

Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance would crater Montrezl and turn him to rubble... Just like forwards Jamison, Bosh, and Love

1987_Lakers

11-20-2020, 11:32 PM

Harrell will be very useful for the regular season, not sure about playoffs. Lakers have to make sure Lebron/AD stay healthy and Harrell can let AD rest during the regular season.

To be fair, Harrell was going through alot in the bubble, he lost his grandmother, they we very close, basically a mother.

Harrell also destroyed the Warriors in the playoffs in 2019, also helps that he has AD to cover his defensive deficiencies.

NBAGOAT

11-20-2020, 11:35 PM

Bookmark this thread because I promise that everyone will be saying Montrezl is complete garbage next year alongside lebron

Facts

Lebron's skill restriction to ball-dominance would crater Montrezl and turn him to rubble... Just like forwards Jamison, Bosh, and Love

people are already down on harrell. he lost a lot of stock in the playoffs and if he couldnt fit well with kawhi and lebron's ball dominance is such a hindrance, why is your prediction worthy of a bookmark lol.

Personally i think he and schroeder can be pretty lethal in pnrs and ad can cover for him on defense and he doesnt have to finish most games. main problem on paper for the lakers now is dwight was their jokic stopper and now they dont have one. denver did lose grant but they're a contender still.

Then again you're not aware of any of this shit.

8Ball

11-20-2020, 11:36 PM

Love it for the Lakers.

Only reason Trez got a bad rap was because PG and Kawhi choked.

Guarding Jokic won't be his job. And Denver got worst losing Grant. :banana:

3ball

11-20-2020, 11:37 PM

people are already down on harrell. he lost a lot of stock in the playoffs and if he couldnt fit well with kawhi and lebron's ball dominance is such a hindrance, why is your prediction worthy of a bookmark lol.

Personally i think he and schroeder can be pretty lethal in pnrs and ad can cover for him on defense and he doesnt have to finish most games. main problem on paper for the lakers now is dwight was their jokic stopper and now they dont have one. denver did lose grant but they're a contender still.

Then again you're not aware of any of this shit.

Bosh, Jamison, Love, Ingram

All destroyed by lebron...

They were studs before lebron... and now everyone thinks they suck after bron-ball destroyed them

leBron Bieber

11-20-2020, 11:37 PM

To be fair, Harrell was going through alot in the bubble, he lost his grandmother, they we very close, basically a mother.

Harrell also destroyed the Warriors in the playoffs in 2019, also helps that he has AD to cover his defensive deficiencies.

This !! Harrell with lebron and AD is gonna be on another level. Players like him usually play really hard when they get motivated in the spotlight I can see him having a crazy good season especially wanting to redeem his playoffs with the clippers

People gonna come back to this signing and say the lakers got a steal

Bet on it

Axe

11-20-2020, 11:38 PM

Harrell also destroyed the Warriors in the playoffs in 2019, also helps that he has AD to cover his defensive deficiencies.
What?

8Ball

11-20-2020, 11:39 PM

Bosh, Jamison, Love, Ingram

All destroyed by lebron...

They were studs before lebron... and now everyone thinks they suck after bron-ball destroyed them

Bron Ball > Jordan Ball. 13 All-NBA first teams. Sit down child.

TheGoatest

11-20-2020, 11:39 PM

Harrell will be very useful for the regular season, not sure about playoffs. Lakers have to make sure Lebron/AD stay healthy and Harrell can let AD rest during the regular season.

Howard and McGee were literally useless most of the playoffs, as in not play at all. He definitely won't be that useless.
Besides, Harrell was the best players on the Clippers and one of the only ones who showed up for game 7 against the Nuggets. It's not his fault that Kawhit's choking wouldn't let them win.

scuzzy

11-20-2020, 11:40 PM

Montrez Harris

Bandon Ingraham

Wind Defenders

3ball

11-20-2020, 11:41 PM

This !! Harrell with lebron and AD is gonna be on another level. Players like him usually play really hard when they get motivated in the spotlight I can see him having a crazy good season especially wanting to redeem his playoffs with the clippers

People gonna come back to this signing and say the lakers got a steal

Bet on it

^^^ Shannon Sharpe dumbass horse mouth talk

Lebron's skillset destroys forwards.. facts

Bosh and Love were locks for the HOF until they sacrificed their prime years for a shit offense and brand of ball (vastly underachieving offense)

MaxPlayer

11-20-2020, 11:43 PM

I think his game meshes real well with LeBron's.

scuzzy

11-20-2020, 11:43 PM

Great offseason for LA if they acquire Schroder, Mathews and Harrell

Gonna make nikkas :mad: as hell

NBAGOAT

11-20-2020, 11:46 PM

Bosh, Jamison, Love, Ingram

All destroyed by lebron...

They were studs before lebron... and now everyone thinks they suck after bron-ball destroyed them

bosh and love were 3rd options, your numbers will go down unless your top 2 load manage like crazy and yea harrell's numbers will go down. he wont even finish games because of his defense. love is past his prime now and bosh was looking good(better than wade) til his blood clots kicked in. ingram heavily improved his shooting mechanics in no. He went a 68% ft shooter to 85% that has 0 to do with lebron. again all irrelevant, every player has their own context. you cant talk about harrell when you havent even see 5 minutes of his highlights

1987_Lakers

11-20-2020, 11:46 PM

Great offseason for LA if they acquire Schroder, Mathews and Harrell

Gonna make nikkas :mad: as hell

3ball is already melting down.

8Ball

11-20-2020, 11:48 PM

3ball is already melting down.

Lakers just gutted their rivals in LA with a Ka-Bar. Taking away 19 ppg that they can't replace.

Clippers offence got worst while Lakers added 2 19ppg potential players while losing nothing of significant value.

Trez also took LESS money to play with LEBRON-BALL.

3ball melting right now.

NBAGOAT

11-20-2020, 11:51 PM

Lakers just gutted their rivals in LA with a Ka-Bar. Taking away 19 ppg that they can't replace.

Clippers offence got worst while Lakers added 2 19ppg potential players while losing nothing of significant value.

Trez also took LESS money to play with LEBRON-BALL.

3ball melting right now.

he actually has a leg to stand on now claiming a team is stacked based off ppg even though he would still be wrong. desperately hoping for lakers to lose however or it's all moot

TheGoatest

11-20-2020, 11:52 PM

^^^ Shannon Sharpe dumbass horse mouth talk

Lebron's skillset destroys forwards.. facts

Bosh and Love were locks for the HOF until they sacrificed their prime years for a shit offense and brand of ball (vastly underachieving offense)

The 1993-94 season is probably the most extreme example in NBA history of multiple players having career years because of one player leaving:

Scottie Pippen: Best season/highest ppg of his career, 3rd in MVP voting/same as Jordan previous season
Horace Grant: Becomes all-star, has best season/highest ppg of his career
B.J. Armstrong: Becomes all-star, has best season/highest ppg of his career
Not one, not two, not three, but four role players on the Bulls had the highest scoring seasons of their careers: Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, Scott Williams and Pete Myers

There has never been another season like this where players were suddenly free to flourish.

Goldrush25

11-21-2020, 12:11 AM

dont like it

no D, no size, doesnt spread the floor

when has a tweener ever won a ring

You do the best with what's available. Ibaka would've been ideal but he obviously said no thanks.

Trez helps them shore up the lack of scoring, is high energy. With Matthews, Schoder, Trez and presumably Gasol, Lakers are appreciably better than they were last season, and we're not considering any trade deadline signings that could help even more.

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 12:23 AM

And clippers just signed morris instead. Great decision by clippers, morris fits this era better then Harrell.

NBAGOAT

11-21-2020, 12:30 AM

And clippers just signed morris instead. Great decision by clippers, morris fits this era better then Harrell.

they were always prioritizing morris but at harrell's price they could've easily done both. now it's resign jamychal and maybe a backup big. gasol would be nice

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 12:32 AM

they were always prioritizing morris but at harrell's price they could've easily done both. now it's resign jamychal and maybe a backup big. gasol would be nice

Harrell wanted no part of Clippers

I don't blame him

And1AllDay

11-21-2020, 12:33 AM

Harrell wanted no part of Clippers

I don't blame him

:rockon:

Lebron_James

11-21-2020, 12:34 AM

This was very very shocking. Yeh, he is a Klutch client. But 9 m ? for MLE? Never saw it.
Was there offer from another team? total steal!

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 12:34 AM

they were always prioritizing morris but at harrell's price they could've easily done both. now it's resign jamychal and maybe a backup big. gasol would be nice

Harrell wanted to go anyway because Kawhi/George were yelling at him all year and he is a clutch sports client.

I say now sign Rondo to a cheap deal, and then maybe Ibak or Willie Collie Stein. Not sure they can afford all that but time to pay luxury. Trade Lou if you need to free up cap.

NBAGOAT

11-21-2020, 12:37 AM

Harrell wanted to go anyway because Kawhi/George were yelling at him all year and he is a clutch sports client.

I say now sign Rondo to a cheap deal, and then maybe Ibak or Willie Collie Stein. Not sure they can afford all that but time to pay luxury. Trade Lou if you need to free up cap.

ibaka is likely a pipe dream when you only have the mle. Doesnt matter how rich ballmer is, toronto will give him a big 1yr deal or another team will go for a s/t

AirBonner

11-21-2020, 12:38 AM

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 12:43 AM

ibaka is likely a pipe dream when you only have the mle. Doesnt matter how rich ballmer is, toronto will give him a big 1yr deal or another team will go for a s/t

Ibaka would be silly to stay in Toronto when Lowry is 35 years old

Ibaka needs to go to a true contender like nets or clippers. I heard nets is possible but who got you a ring ibaka? Was it Durant or Kawhi? That's what ibaka needs to think about.

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 12:44 AM

https://i.redd.it/u8xw5sc1bi061.jpg

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 12:44 AM

Rondo finishing as a Celtic not a chance

I heard its between hawks and clippers

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 12:45 AM

https://i.redd.it/u8xw5sc1bi061.jpg

Beverly has to be a clueless idiot if he didn't see that coming wow

Lebron_James

11-21-2020, 12:48 AM

With signing Morris, I Think Clippers don't have 9 million MLE. Rather around the 5.7 million.

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 12:48 AM

Beverly has to be a clueless idiot if he didn't see that coming wow

true, no one wants to play with Kawhi

PP34Deuce

11-21-2020, 12:49 AM

The lakers seem to be gathering bodies for the regular season and to load manage bron and AD. Trez and schroder can play starter minutes while I think you see lebron on cruise control.

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 12:54 AM

https://i.redd.it/gh2kk5k6oi061.jpg

And1AllDay

11-21-2020, 12:55 AM

https://i.redd.it/gh2kk5k6oi061.jpg

:oldlol::oldlol::roll:

scuzzy

11-21-2020, 12:57 AM

Beverly has to be a clueless idiot if he didn't see that coming wow
https://i.postimg.cc/CMqcfM4J/fhrehted.png (https://postimages.org/)

Axe

11-21-2020, 01:07 AM

true, no one wants to play with Kawhi
:lol

HBK_Kliq_2

11-21-2020, 01:11 AM

true, no one wants to play with Kawhi

https://mobile.twitter.com/Farbod_E/status/1330010975068585984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1330010975068585984%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2 Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2020482start%3D80

18 million a year offer from Miami. Morris took a pay cut to play with Kawhi.

red1

11-21-2020, 01:18 AM

congrats trezz. :applause:

escaped a shithole to join leGOAT and AD

Doranku

11-21-2020, 04:04 AM

https://i.redd.it/gh2kk5k6oi061.jpg
:roll:

And1AllDay

11-21-2020, 04:43 AM

3ball is already melting down.

:oldlol::oldlol::roll:

J Shuttlesworth

11-21-2020, 04:54 AM

Wow, guess Trez doesn't want to play with Kawh1/11. Can't blame him.

So far, this looks good for Lakers. Trez is a good piece for 9 mil, and Schroeder is a great pick up. Matthews can cover the role of Green. Dwight is a loss, but maybe they can get Gasol to play C.

Clippers though... They definitely hurt the most from losing Montrez. Also, they signed Marcus Morris for 64 mil :lol:

TheGoatest

11-21-2020, 05:01 AM

The Harrell and Matthews signings gives the Lakers one of the weirdest lineups in terms of size:

PG - LeBron, 6'9
SG - Schroder, 6'1
SF - Matthews, 6'4
PF - Davis, 6'10
C - Harrell, 6'7

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 05:57 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/Farbod_E/status/1330010975068585984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1330010975068585984%7Ctwgr% 5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.realgm.com%2Fboards%2 Fviewtopic.php%3Ft%3D2020482start%3D80

18 million a year offer from Miami. Morris took a pay cut to play with Kawhi.
4yr/64m

https://i.redd.it/gowvriczii061.jpg

Gray GOAT

11-21-2020, 06:03 AM

The same people who said Kawhi had no help will now call the Lakers stacked. :oldlol:

What a time.

LeCola

11-21-2020, 06:22 AM

He made only 5 3 points shots in 318 games/5 years. Do you really think he is a good fit for Lebron Ball.

LAmbruh

11-21-2020, 06:25 AM

He made only 5 3 points shots in 318 games/5 years. Do you really think he is a good fit for Lebron Ball.

How many 3's did Dwight make?

You realize this is essentially swapping Howard for a 6MOTY who's 10 years younger

pandiani17

11-21-2020, 06:26 AM

The same people who said Kawhi had no help will now call the Lakers stacked. :oldlol:

What a time.

:roll:

ArbitraryWater

11-21-2020, 07:01 AM

Bosh, Jamison, Love, Ingram

All destroyed by lebron...

They were studs before lebron... and now everyone thinks they suck after bron-ball destroyed them

Jamison played 25 games with LeBron, Ingram played 31 with LeBron.

Are you retarded?

Also Ingram just became MIP, so your narratives are again way off.

D-Wait

11-21-2020, 07:06 AM

Wow.

Manny98

11-21-2020, 07:16 AM

https://i.redd.it/gh2kk5k6oi061.jpg
:roll::roll::roll:

SATAN

11-21-2020, 08:15 AM

Are the Clippers a sinking ship all because of a Kawhi Leonard signing?

Yes.

Wally450

11-21-2020, 09:14 AM

3balls posts in this thread are absolutely pathetic. :oldlol:

Not that they're not in every other thread either though...

TheCorporation

11-21-2020, 01:05 PM

Manny98

11-21-2020, 01:14 PM

Tress is a terrible fit, liability defensively and can't space the floor.:facepalm

They should have gone after Marc Gasol & Ibaka

Even TT and Nerlens Noel would be better fits and for even cheaper

Not at all impressed with the Lakers moves, they're just mindlessly going for the biggest names without taking into consideration team composition and how they would fit

Kingwillball

11-21-2020, 01:22 PM

Tress is a terrible fit, liability defensively and can't space the floor.

They should have gone after Marc Gasol & Noel :facepalm

Not at all impressed with the Lakers moves, they're just mindlessly going for the biggest names without taking into consideration team composition and how they would fit

Not sure if serious ? Black German is a big upgrade in prime as is Harrell who on pick and rolls with Lebron and Scroeder will be lethal plus lobs and just drive and dump offs.. Matthews is a more physical defender then green watch video of him against lebron last year green could never do that. Anyway they will also add KCP or do sign and trade for Bogdon with KCP and Kuzma. Worst case will be resign Bradley. Oh and they can still add Gasol as well for vet Min.

TheGoatest

11-21-2020, 01:31 PM

MaxPlayer

11-21-2020, 01:36 PM

Jamison played 25 games with LeBron, Ingram played 31 with LeBron.

Are you retarded?

Also Ingram just became MIP, so your narratives are again way off.

Plus Harrell is nothing like those players.

He's much more similar to Tristan Thompson, who thrived playing with LeBron.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

11-21-2020, 01:39 PM

Dwight balled out so its tough to lose him, but this one is surprising.

Gotta be some truth in Harrell's beef with other Clipper players.

TheGoatest

11-21-2020, 01:54 PM

Dwight balled out so its tough to lose him, but this one is surprising.

When he played well, he was very useful. But he was constantly walking a thin line between helping and hurting the Lakers. Remember that flagrant foul on Paul Millsap towards the end of the Nuggets series? The Lakers were cruising to a victory and with one dumb move, Dwight changed the momentum completely in favor of the Nuggets. He had several situations like that. Plus he will be a year older in a bad way, whereas Harrell will be a year older in a good way.

PP34Deuce

11-21-2020, 03:16 PM

Lakers basically getting bodies who can play during the regular season. Trez is undersized but he can score and if focused, can be decent defensively.

Schroder is in his prime at 27 and plays hard.

If you are a true Laker fan, I'd be worried in 2-3 years. I don't think AD stays long term and Bron will most likely retire. These are all mercenary hires.

3ball

11-21-2020, 03:25 PM

Plus Harrell is nothing like those players.

He's much more similar to Tristan Thompson, who thrived playing with LeBron.

Tristan isn't capable of 18 ppg.. Tristan is a 9 ppg player, so who cares if he's maximized

The key is that Harrell won't average 18 as 4th option alongside Bron

That's impossible in Bron-ball

Heck, 3rd options can't even get 20 ppg in Bron-ball like klay or other 3rd options

Everyone will say Harrell sucks next year... Book it... Lebron destroys forwards

PP34Deuce

11-21-2020, 03:30 PM

Trez is going to get easier buckets. He's short but a 7'4 wingspan makes you play bigger than you are.

Keep KCP or get Bogdan and this team is back in the mix.

TheGoatest

11-21-2020, 03:30 PM

If you are a true Laker fan, I'd be worried in 2-3 years. I don't think AD stays long term and Bron will most likely retire. These are all mercenary hires.

Winning 2-3 championships then entering a rebuild mode period of sucking/tanking for several seasons > being a "just missed the playoffs/1st round exit/occasional second round exit" team constantly

LeCola

11-21-2020, 04:01 PM

How many 3's did Dwight make?

You realize this is essentially swapping Howard for a 6MOTY who's 10 years younger

Dwight was more valuable for Lakers. A 6-10 rim protector.

Harrell is 6-7, can he protect rim? He is good on scoring inside, however he cant even make mid-range shots.

So, he can't be on floor with Davis and Lebron.

Same as Dennis. I agree that he is better player than Green but Green is better fit for Lebron-Davis duo.

leBron Bieber

11-21-2020, 04:10 PM

^^^ Shannon Sharpe dumbass horse mouth talk

Lebron's skillset destroys forwards.. facts

Bosh and Love were locks for the HOF until they sacrificed their prime years for a shit offense and brand of ball (vastly underachieving offense)

Wow you are a fool .. they are literally hall of famers because of lebron . Want to imagine if lamarcus Aldridge went to Cleveland instead . Exactly

theballerFKA Ace

11-21-2020, 04:27 PM

Trez is going to get easier buckets. He's short but a 7'4 wingspan makes you play bigger than you are.

Keep KCP or get Bogdan and this team is back in the mix.

Standing reach is what counts the most. Wingspan combined with high shoulders can make up for a lot. AD is tall with a 7'6 wingspan but his shoulders are low set so his standing reach is only 9'1. The same as Trez. Kevin McHale had super high set shoulders and his standing reach was at least 4 inches taller than AD. Kobe too had an awesome standing reach of 8'10. AD has elite rebounding instincts and awareness though

bladefd

11-21-2020, 05:13 PM

Dwight was more valuable for Lakers. A 6-10 rim protector.

Harrell is 6-7, can he protect rim? He is good on scoring inside, however he cant even make mid-range shots.

So, he can't be on floor with Davis and Lebron.

Same as Dennis. I agree that he is better player than Green but Green is better fit for Lebron-Davis duo.

Schroeder is replacing Rondo and Bradley.. An improvement. Defense gets bit weaker unfortunately
Matthews is replacing Green.. A slight downgrade but almost equal. Matthews is a good fit
Harrell is replacing Dwight.. Slight downgrade

insidehoops

11-23-2020, 03:19 PM

Now an official transaction: Lakers sign Montrezl Harrell (http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=24308)

Tobio-Star

11-23-2020, 04:11 PM

Schroeder is replacing Rondo and Bradley.. An improvement. Defense gets bit weaker unfortunately
Matthews is replacing Green.. A slight downgrade but almost equal. Matthews is a good fit
Harrell is replacing Dwight.. Slight downgrade

Let's be honest: Dwight was good but he was getting cooked on defense by everyone that wasn't a big. Literally unplayable in the Rockets series and got benched as well in the finals. For me Harrell is a massive upgrade tho I still believe Ibaka would have been better