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Shooter
11-21-2020, 02:33 PM
What other options do they have? I find that certain players in this camp are forced to become volume scoring chuckers:
Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jordan
Donovan Mitchell


All are guys that basically:
-love to iso score
-cant pass
-cant shoot 3s


If they developed better leadership and/or a 3-point shot and were able to develop passing skills could they have opened up their game more?

3ball
11-21-2020, 02:55 PM
Ball-dominators that average 9+ assists hurt ball-movement and TEAM assists

The only exceptions are elite shooters that can play the off-ball "shooter" role (nash).. or guys that aren't the best player on their team (magic with kareem)

Otherwise, 5-7 assists is optimal to maximize ball movement, brand and therefore winning

Guys that average 5-7 apg have way more rings (mj, kobe, bird, durant, kawhi, curry), than high-assist ball-dominators (nash, cp3, magic, lebron, westbrook, harden)

So personal APG is an overrated stat... team apg is a much bigger driver for winning than personal APG (which can hurt winning)

StrongLurk
11-21-2020, 04:16 PM
The key designation of a chucker is INEFFICIENCY...if all you do is iso and shoot 25 jumpshots a game...but make 60 percent of them, then are aren't a chucker.

A good example of a chucker is AI, tons of shots on bad percentages. but Kobe and MJ are terrible examples.

MJ averaged 35/7/7 in the playoffs from 85-93 on elite efficiency.

bison
11-21-2020, 04:19 PM
Jordan, AI and Kobe are all capable of passing. Gtfo low iq having troll (Jesus how many of these do we have on ISH)

Bronbron23
11-21-2020, 06:12 PM
What other options do they have? I find that certain players in this camp are forced to become volume scoring chuckers:
Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jordan
Donovan Mitchell


All are guys that basically:
-love to iso score
-cant pass
-cant shoot 3s


If they developed better leadership and/or a 3-point shot and were able to develop passing skills could they have opened up their game more?

What a troll:facepalm

Gohan
11-21-2020, 07:16 PM
What a troll:facepalm

Well Kobe and Jordan must of been doing something right they both got at least 5 titles off their chucking

My bad on quoting you

Hakkim90cc
11-21-2020, 09:41 PM
He said AI can't shoot lol

Axe
11-21-2020, 10:21 PM
Well Kobe and Jordan must of been doing something right they both got at least 5 titles off their chucking
Duh, they had the goat coach dude.

HoopsNY
11-21-2020, 10:51 PM
AI actually wasn't a bad passer. He just refused to pass.

MJ was a great passer. These kids act like they watched MJ play. He had amazing court vision, timing, and could spread the floor when he wanted to or needed to.

People forget he played in the triangle. And prior to that he dropped 10.4 assists when given the PG role under Doug Collins. But yea, carry on with the lies.

TheCorporation
11-21-2020, 10:53 PM
Great question. Chuckers with minimal passing abilities have no choice but to shoot a lot. You forgot to mention guys like

-Monta Ellis
-Jerry Stackhouse

along with MJ, Kobe, Iverson, Mitchell, Anthony

Hakkim90cc
11-21-2020, 11:21 PM
https://i.imgur.com/hGbo8vP.gif

TheCorporation
11-21-2020, 11:42 PM
AI actually wasn't a bad passer. He just refused to pass.

MJ was a great passer. These kids act like they watched MJ play. He had amazing court vision, timing, and could spread the floor when he wanted to or needed to.

People forget he played in the triangle. And prior to that he dropped 10.4 assists when given the PG role under Doug Collins. But yea, carry on with the lies.

MJ was a great passer? :lol So then Pippen was an elite passer? Because, as I'm sure you're well aware, Pippen had even more assists than MJ.

https://i.postimg.cc/k4RZypFv/FB-IMG-1525375107033.jpg

72-10
11-22-2020, 05:57 AM
it depends quite a bit on the offense that is being run and on a few other mitigating factors; for instance, in the triangle offense the primary scorer, which in most cases is the off guard, does a ton of off-ball work in order to free himself open for the shot, he expends more energy than the other players within the half-court set, and therefore has earned more of a right to take the shot in a given play, but it also depends on how good of a shooter and how efficient of a scorer the scorer is, such that they might not be chucking the ball. If the player cannot convert the shots at a sufficient rate then he would actually be doing his team a disservice.

72-10
11-22-2020, 06:08 AM
Michael might have missed a career worst 8 in a row back in 1987, and he might have struggled to make more than 6 straight, but you're blatantly wrong about Michael Jordan.

72-10
11-22-2020, 06:09 AM
Jerry Stackhouse built a house.

light
11-22-2020, 06:13 AM
Ball-dominators that average 9+ assists hurt ball-movement and TEAM assists

The only exceptions are elite shooters that can play the off-ball "shooter" role (nash).. or guys that aren't the best player on their team (magic with kareem)

Otherwise, 5-7 assists is optimal to maximize ball movement, brand and therefore winning

Guys that average 5-7 apg have way more rings (mj, kobe, bird, durant, kawhi, curry), than high-assist ball-dominators (nash, cp3, magic, lebron, westbrook, harden)

So personal APG is an overrated stat... team apg is a much bigger driver for winning than personal APG (which can hurt winning)

This is ridiculous. Jordan only had 5 assists because he spent the rest of the time taking 30 shots. There's even less ball movement under him, obviously - this led to less engagement from his teammates as they stood around and watched him shoot.

Phil Jackson came up with the triangle in the first place TO GET JORDAN TO PASS THE BALL.

He didn't want to use the triangle just because he liked it. It was because Jordan was a black hole.

If Jordan was LeBron James then Phil Jackson would not have had an issue to begin with. The triangle would not have been necessary and there would have been no need to keep playing mind games with his star to get him to play winning basketball.

And1AllDay
11-26-2020, 02:36 AM
What other options do they have? I find that certain players in this camp are forced to become volume scoring chuckers:
Allen Iverson
Michael Jordan
Donovan Mitchell


All are guys that basically:
-love to iso score
-cant pass
-cant shoot 3s


If they developed better leadership and/or a 3-point shot and were able to develop passing skills could they have opened up their game more?


yes

no other choice

3ball
11-26-2020, 10:36 AM
This is ridiculous. Jordan only had 5 assists because he spent the rest of the time taking 30 shots. There's even less ball movement under him, obviously - this led to less engagement from his teammates as they stood around and watched him shoot.

Phil Jackson came up with the triangle in the first place TO GET JORDAN TO PASS THE BALL.

He didn't want to use the triangle just because he liked it. It was because Jordan was a black hole.

If Jordan was LeBron James then Phil Jackson would not have had an issue to begin with. The triangle would not have been necessary and there would have been no need to keep playing mind games with his star to get him to play winning basketball.

Jordan averaged more assists before the triangle and his teams ranked higher in assists than lebron because lebron hogs the assists for himself

Lebron fields low assist twams

Baller789
11-26-2020, 11:44 AM
Jordan, AI and Kobe are all capable of passing. Gtfo low iq having troll (Jesus how many of these do we have on ISH)
Shooter is perhaps one of the lowest iq's here. Don't expect too much from him.

Baller789
11-26-2020, 11:45 AM
This is ridiculous. Jordan only had 5 assists because he spent the rest of the time taking 30 shots. There's even less ball movement under him, obviously - this led to less engagement from his teammates as they stood around and watched him shoot.

Phil Jackson came up with the triangle in the first place TO GET JORDAN TO PASS THE BALL.

He didn't want to use the triangle just because he liked it. It was because Jordan was a black hole.

If Jordan was LeBron James then Phil Jackson would not have had an issue to begin with. The triangle would not have been necessary and there would have been no need to keep playing mind games with his star to get him to play winning basketball.

Fallacy after fallacy. Lol

8Ball
11-26-2020, 11:58 AM
What other options do they have? I find that certain players in this camp are forced to become volume scoring chuckers:
Allen Iverson
Kobe Bryant
Michael Jordan
Donovan Mitchell


All are guys that basically:
-love to iso score
-cant pass
-cant shoot 3s


If they developed better leadership and/or a 3-point shot and were able to develop passing skills could they have opened up their game more?

You can't just develop passing skills. You either have it or you don't. Kawhi tried to develop his passing skills in 2020 and flopped because he can't do it on high volume.

Jordan could never lead his team in assists for the entirety of his career. At 25 years old Jordan tried to stat pad his assists and the team couldn't win 50 games. 25 year LeBron was already leading his teams to 60+ wins while also being the passing point forward.

Not skilled enough like LeBron to be the leading assist man and win regular season games.

Baller789
11-26-2020, 12:03 PM
You can't just develop passing skills. You either have it or you don't. Kawhi tried to develop his passing skills in 2020 and flopped because he can't do it on high volume.

Jordan could never lead his team in assists for the entirety of his career. At 25 years old Jordan tried to stat pad his assists and the team couldn't win 50 games. 25 year LeBron was already leading his teams to 60+ wins while also being the passing point forward.

Not skilled enough like LeBron to be the leading assist man and win regular season games.
How many assist titles does Lebron have?

8Ball
11-26-2020, 12:05 PM
How many assist titles does Lebron have?

For his team? 17 of them. 17 straight years he's the leading playmaker.

How many times was Jordan the leading playmaker for his team? Between 0 and 1?

Not skilled enough like LeBron.

Baller789
11-26-2020, 12:06 PM
For his team? 17 of them. 17 straight years he's the leading playmaker.

How many times was Jordan the leading playmaker for his team? Between 0 and 1?

Not skilled enough like LeBron.
Lololol!
I just asked you a simple question, already your deflecting.
Lololol!

Gohan
11-26-2020, 01:26 PM
He said AI can't shoot lol

This, Iversons midrange was wet

8Ball
11-26-2020, 01:36 PM
Lololol!
I just asked you a simple question, already your deflecting.
Lololol!

Your question had nothing to do with my original post. Why should I care to answer it when your question was a deflection.

Jordan has vastly inferior passing skill sets. An overall inferior basketball player to LeBron.

3ball
11-26-2020, 02:40 PM
Your question had nothing to do with my original post. Why should I care to answer it when your question was a deflection.

Jordan has vastly inferior passing skill sets. An overall inferior basketball player to LeBron.

Jordan is a better passer than lebron because he gets similar assists despite holding the far ball less, and while achieving better TEAM offense

Who cares about someone westbrooking a lot of assists in an inferior TEAM offense.. Jordan got assists while the ball moved (ball movement), which is better passing and resulted in better team offense

Jordan's assists result in goat offenses while lebron's ball-dominant westbrooking is shit passing that results in shit offenses

3ball
11-26-2020, 02:41 PM
Jordan is a better passer than lebron because he gets similar assists despite holding the far ball less, and while achieving better TEAM offense

Who cares about someone westbrooking a lot of assists in an inferior TEAM offense.. Jordan got assists while the ball moved (ball movement), which is better passing and resulted in better team offense

Jordan's assists result in goat offenses while lebron's ball-dominant westbrooking is shit passing that results in shit offenses




Anyone?

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 02:44 PM
That's what makes Harden so special to be honest. An elite ISO player, while also being an elite playmaker/passer.

A very rare talent.

3ball
11-26-2020, 02:49 PM
That's what makes Harden so special to be honest. An elite ISO player, while also being an elite playmaker/passer.

A very rare talent.

Harden is also an inferior passer to mj

If you need to pound the rock and kill team offense to get assists, then you're an inferior passer to Jordan

Harden was a 1-trick pony (a fluke #1 offense in 2018... And only because weak defense... 1-way team)

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 03:39 PM
Harden is also an inferior passer to mj

If you need to pound the rock and kill team offense to get assists, then you're an inferior passer to Jordan

Harden was a 1-trick pony (a fluke #1 offense in 2018... And only because weak defense... 1-way team)

MJ was incapable of playmaking at a high level while dominating the basketball. Michael MAXED out at 8 assists when he TRIED dominating the basketball as much as possible. I put a huge emphasis on tried.

8 assists? One time? :oldlol::oldlol:

Just pathetic.

Jordan simply didn't have the court vision of players like LeBron and Harden. Both who won assist titles and averaged over double-digit assists for a season. He just wasn't in their league as playmakers.

3ball
11-26-2020, 03:48 PM
MJ was incapable of playmaking at high level while dominating the basketball. Michael MAXED out at 8 assists when he TRIED dominating the basketball as much as possible. I put a huge emphasis on tried.

8 assists? One time? :oldlol::oldlol:

Just pathetic.

Jordan simply didn't have the court vision of players like LeBron and Harden. Both who won assist titles and averaged over double-digit assists for a season. He just wasn't in their league as playmakers.


When Jordan played the point guard in 1989, he averaged 30/9/11 and the media said he was already a better PG than Magic, Isiah and Stockton:



Bulls’ Jordan Makes a New Point

Associated Press, April 9, 1989


Michael Jordan now plays point guard, which means the Chicago Bulls give the ball more often to the NBA’s most productive offensive player.

How does that strike the rest of the NBA?

“I don’t like it,” Atlanta Hawks guard Doc Rivers said. “I think it’s terrible. It’s not fair.”

“He was a nightmare already,” Hawks coach Mike Fratello said. “Now, he gets the ball even more.”

“Everybody wonders why they didn’t do it before,” Golden State coach Don Nelson said.

Chicago general manager Jerry Krause found some humor in his team’s switch of Jordan from the shooting guard position.

“It’s like the old joke about the 2,000-pound gorilla,” Krause said. “Where does he sleep? Anywhere he wants. Great players can play different positions.”

No other NBA player has made a change of more league-altering significance. Los Angeles Lakers point guard Magic Johnson played center against Philadelphia in the 1980 NBA Finals, but that lasted only one game. In just 16 games at point guard, Jordan has gone from the league’s leading scorer the last two seasons to being lumped with Johnson, John Stockton of Utah and Isiah Thomas of Detroit as the elite among NBA point guards. Jordan may already be the best of the group.

Entering today’s 12:35 p.m. game against the Hawks at The Omni, Jordan has seven triple-doubles (double-figure totals in scoring, rebounding and assists) in the last eight games. His streak of seven consecutive triple-doubles ended Friday in a 114-112 overtime loss to Detroit in which Jordan finished with 40 points, 11 assists and seven rebounds. Before Jordan’s run, the most consecutive triple-doubles in the league this season was two, by Johnson and Portland’s Clyde Drexler.

Since Oscar Robertson, who averaged double-figure totals in each category over a full season for his first six years in the league, Johnson has the most triple-doubles in a season with 18. Jordan already has 11 triple-doubles while learning the new position.

https://ballislife.com/michael-jordan-could-of-been-the-best-point-guard-ever-want-proof/



So you're wrong - Jordan was a better passer as a ball-dominator than Lebron or Harden.

And off-ball, Jordan is the only player to average 10+ apg without playing PG (91' Finals)

So Jordan is the superior passer, scorer and offensive player, which is why he had four #1 offenses despite pathetic offensive help (compared to lebron or harden's offensive help)

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 03:51 PM
16 game sample size?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small size for an ENTIRE SEASON.

3ball
11-26-2020, 03:58 PM
16 game sample size?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small size for an ENTIRE SEASON.

24 games and everyone said he was better PG than Magic, whereas no one says lebron is a better PG than Magic

But Jordan didn't want to be ball-dominant because it doesn't win

He achieved better offenses by scoring off-ball and still getting 6+ assists

Whereas lebron and harden are unskilled, so they must pound the rock like a playground player.. they can't produce while the ball moves, so they have shit offenses compared to Jordan despite far more help... And therefore suck compared to Jordan

Again, lebron and harden have worse TEAM offenses despite more help... So they suck compared to Mike

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 04:03 PM
24 game sample size?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How f*cking pathetic. Harden averaged more assists than MJ did in that small sample size for an ENTIRE SEASON.

1987_Lakers
11-26-2020, 04:03 PM
MJ never had a top 5 offense without Phil. Phil came in and implemented the triangle offense which enhanced their offense. The same offense that the 1967 Sixers used to win a championship.

3ball
11-26-2020, 04:07 PM
MJ never had a top 5 offense without Phil. Phil came in and implemented the triangle offense which enhanced their offense. The same offense that the 1967 Sixers used to win a championship.

The triangle was nothing until MJ put it on the map

Only MJ won with the triangle... And kobe

If you want to add Wilt's most stacked team as an exception, then that's the best way to prove the rule

Carry on in ignorance

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 04:07 PM
MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

It is what it is.

3ball
11-26-2020, 04:09 PM
MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

It is what it is.

MJ never dominated the ball

And Phil won nothing without MJ or his clone to make the shit triangle work

That offense was nothing with mj, kobe, or wilt

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 04:10 PM
MJ never dominated the ball

Because he simply wasn't capable of doing it effectively.

1987_Lakers
11-26-2020, 04:12 PM
MJ simply wasn't an effective ball-dominator, that's why he needed Phil to come in and institute an offense that took that burden off his shoulders. He just wasn't built for it.

It is what it is.

Agreed, it works for LeBron cause he is an all-time great passer. MJ as a ball-dominator was too predictable, often refusing to pass to open teammates, Phil had to come in and teach MJ how to play the right way. LeBron knew from day 1 how to play the right way, he doesn't need a system.

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 04:13 PM
Agreed, it works for LeBron cause he is an all-time great passer. MJ as a ball-dominator was too predictable, often refusing to pass to open teammates, Phil had to come in and teach MJ how to play the right way. LeBron knew from day 1 how to play the right way, he doesn't need a system.

Just another element cementing that LeBron is better than Jordan.

3ball
11-26-2020, 04:14 PM
Because he simply wasn't capable of doing it effectively.

Lebron only has 4 rings when he should have 10

So lebron doesn't do it effectively

And ball-dominance < team offense

So mj is much better...

It's better to get a 30 PER with great team offense, then a 30 PER at the expense of team offense

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 04:15 PM
Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.

3ball
11-26-2020, 04:22 PM
Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.

Lebron will never be better than Jordan and isn't better in any facet

And I don't celebrate colonialism

1987_Lakers
11-26-2020, 04:23 PM
Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.

:cheers:

3ball
11-26-2020, 04:25 PM
:cheers:

Lebron is a cheat

Literally

Just like the whites cheated and scalped their way to the native's land... :facepalm:

Carry on fools

1987_Lakers
11-26-2020, 04:30 PM
Lebron is a cheat

Literally

Just like the whites cheated and scalped their way to the native's land... :facepalm:

Carry on fools

Nope, the cheat would be MJ.

Jordan Cheating an Elderly Woman in a Card Game

Michael Jordan will do whatever it takes to win. Even in a card game with an elderly woman.

When North Carolina teammate Buzz Peterson had Michael Jordan over to his house to play cards with his mother, Jordan was caught cheating. I guess MJ believed the old adage, “If you aint cheating, you ain’t trying.”

https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/michael-jordan-documentary-espn-the-last-dance-stories.html#:~:text=Jordan%20Cheating%20an%20Elde rly%20Woman%20in%20a%20Card%20Game,-Michael%20Jordan%20will&text=takes%20to%20win.-,Even%20in%20a%20card%20game%20with%20an%20elderly %20woman.,mother%2C%20Jordan%20was%20caught%20chea ting.

TheCorporation
11-26-2020, 09:18 PM
Happy Thanksgiving y'all.

LeBron is STILL better than Jordan.

Happy Thanksgiving brotha!

:cheers:

3ball
11-26-2020, 09:26 PM
Nope, the cheat would be MJ.

Jordan Cheating an Elderly Woman in a Card Game

Michael Jordan will do whatever it takes to win. Even in a card game with an elderly woman.

When North Carolina teammate Buzz Peterson had Michael Jordan over to his house to play cards with his mother, Jordan was caught cheating. I guess MJ believed the old adage, “If you aint cheating, you ain’t trying.”

https://www.okayplayer.com/originals/michael-jordan-documentary-espn-the-last-dance-stories.html#:~:text=Jordan%20Cheating%20an%20Elde rly%20Woman%20in%20a%20Card%20Game,-Michael%20Jordan%20will&text=takes%20to%20win.-,Even%20in%20a%20card%20game%20with%20an%20elderly %20woman.,mother%2C%20Jordan%20was%20caught%20chea ting.

He was just peeking at her hand, he wasn't stealing all of her aces when she got up from her seat... :facepalm:

Lebron stacks the deck... so his resume is distorted and I will forever default him to the "dr. j" position in my rankings

He was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd, and Dwight.. Then he teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 in Miami and then Kareem 2 in LA (AD led the entire league in playoff scoring)

Everyone says lebron makes guys better by bringing them titles but lebron was a 1-trick pony before teaming up, so they made him better.. ultimately, teaming up doesn't equal making guys better - bron-ball never actually improved anyone's game (no one improved alongside lebron) unless they were an elite shooter.. he hurt way more guys than he helped

Axe
11-26-2020, 09:33 PM
3ball with another classic meltdown. Couldn't save it even just for Thanksgiving day.

Baller789
11-26-2020, 09:36 PM
3ball with another classic meltdown. Couldn't save it even just for Thanksgiving day.

Why don't you outwit him in a discussion instead of posting the generic meltdown line?

3ball goes overboard lots of times, but you guys don't really make a good account of yourselves either.

Axe
11-26-2020, 09:41 PM
Why don't you outwit him in a discussion instead of posting the generic meltdown line?

3ball goes overboard lots of times, but you guys don't really make a good account of yourselves either.
Baldan stan confirmed :lol

3ball
11-26-2020, 09:45 PM
He was just peeking at her hand, he wasn't stealing all of her aces when she got up from her seat... :facepalm:

Lebron stacks the deck... so his resume is distorted and I will forever default him to the "dr. j" position in my rankings

He was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd, and Dwight.. Then he teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 in Miami and then Kareem 2 in LA (AD led the entire league in playoff scoring)

Everyone says lebron makes guys better by bringing them titles but lebron was a 1-trick pony before teaming up, so they made him better.. ultimately, teaming up doesn't equal making guys better - bron-ball never actually improved anyone's game (no one improved alongside lebron) unless they were an elite shooter.. he hurt way more guys than he helped

Anyone?

Baller789
11-26-2020, 09:45 PM
Baldan stan confirmed :lol
Because?

LoneyROY7
11-26-2020, 09:50 PM
Things people are thinking about on Thanksgiving.

Raymond: Turkey

Jennifer: Alcohol

Josh: Football

Ashley: Candied sweet potatoes

3ball: LeBron

Take a day off, champ.

Axe
11-26-2020, 09:51 PM
Because?
You support him duh

Baller789
11-26-2020, 09:55 PM
You support him duh

I asked you politely to debate him properly to get your points across and to debunk some of his arguments. Yet you accuse people who don't slurp Lebron a Jordan stan.

Or perhaps its beyond your mental capacity to act civilized?

Axe
11-26-2020, 10:23 PM
I asked you politely to debate him properly to get your points across and to debunk some of his arguments. Yet you accuse people who don't slurp Lebron a Jordan stan.

Or perhaps its beyond your mental capacity to act civilized?
Well tell us what's there to debate with him when he keeps on saying the same shit all the time. :confusedshrug:

Oh, and it's you who would get so agitated easily when someone clowns about him or his hero baldan.

8Ball
11-26-2020, 10:26 PM
Because he simply wasn't capable of doing it effectively.

Jordan only won 47 games when he stat padded his way to 8 assists forcing it unnaturally.

Harden and LeBron do it effortlessly in their sleep.

Year 17 LeBron leads the league in assists? It's called skill and talent. Year 17 Jordan puts up Paul Pierce level of retirement assists.

8Ball
11-26-2020, 10:29 PM
MJ never dominated the ball

And Phil won nothing without MJ or his clone to make the shit triangle work

That offense was nothing with mj, kobe, or wilt

When Jordan got swept 3 years in a row in the first round it was 100% Jordan Ball.

Great thread by the way. OP speaks truth.

8Ball
11-26-2020, 10:33 PM
Jordan is a better passer than lebron because he gets similar assists despite holding the far ball less, and while achieving better TEAM offense

Who cares about someone westbrooking a lot of assists in an inferior TEAM offense.. Jordan got assists while the ball moved (ball movement), which is better passing and resulted in better team offense

Jordan's assists result in goat offenses while lebron's ball-dominant westbrooking is shit passing that results in shit offenses

Wrong again.

Jordan in the 2nd 3 peat averaged 4 assists per game in entire regular season. Harden and LeBron poop that level of passing output by January :lol

LeBron in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 9 assists per game. :bowdown:
Jordan in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 4 assists per game. :roll:

Better passer.... LOL


If Jordan is a better passer than LeBron, than Nick Batum is a better scorer than Jordan :roll:

Axe
11-26-2020, 10:35 PM
Yikes.

Looks like 3ball was wrong about baldan having higher assists totals than pippen during the bulls' six title runs.

3ball
11-26-2020, 11:14 PM
Yikes.

Looks like 3ball was wrong about baldan having higher assists totals than pippen during the bulls' six title runs.

Jordan always assisted more often then pippen, regardless of time period

they both averaged similar assists, but jordan had fewer shots to assist on because his own volume was higher - so Jordan actually assisted 33% more often in the playoffs (28 to 21 assist percentage)

Overall, Jordan averaged more career assists and obviously assist percentage

During the championship runs, the assists were basically equal, but Jordan averaged more APG for 6 of 9 playoff runs overall... And again, he assisted far more often (assist percentage)

And1AllDay
11-27-2020, 12:32 PM
For his team? 17 of them. 17 straight years he's the leading playmaker.

How many times was Jordan the leading playmaker for his team? Between 0 and 1?

Not skilled enough like LeBron.

issa wrap

And1AllDay
11-27-2020, 12:33 PM
Wrong again.

Jordan in the 2nd 3 peat averaged 4 assists per game in entire regular season. Harden and LeBron poop that level of passing output by January

LeBron in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 9 assists per game. :bowdown:
Jordan in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 4 assists per game. :roll:

Better passer.... LOL


If Jordan is a better passer than LeBron, than Nick Batum is a better scorer than Jordan :roll:

my goodness ive seen a murder :oldlol::roll:

Gohan
11-27-2020, 01:54 PM
This aint about lebron and Jordan. This thread is about white and black people. Jordan fans are black and lebron fans are white

LoneyROY7
11-27-2020, 04:18 PM
This aint about lebron and Jordan. This thread is about white and black people. Jordan fans are black and lebron fans are white

Skip Bayless is white and Shannon Sharpe is black.

Baller789
11-27-2020, 10:15 PM
Wrong again.

Jordan in the 2nd 3 peat averaged 4 assists per game in entire regular season. Harden and LeBron poop that level of passing output by January :lol

LeBron in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 9 assists per game. :bowdown:
Jordan in his last 3 playoff runs averaged 4 assists per game. :roll:

Better passer.... LOL


If Jordan is a better passer than LeBron, than Nick Batum is a better scorer than Jordan :roll:
So how many assist titles does Lebron have?

8Ball
11-28-2020, 09:11 AM
So how many assist titles does Lebron have?

Assist bot is malfunctioning.

Tell me baller789 about how money works again. :roll:

Axe
11-28-2020, 09:54 AM
Skip Bayless is white and Shannon Sharpe is black.
:roll:

Bronbron23
11-28-2020, 10:08 AM
Not in this era. The 3 point game has changed everything. Mediocre passers like greek, kawhi and westbrook can drive and dish to open perimeter shooters who are gonna blaze away.