Danish study shows American liberals are retarded

[KennyPowers]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8962397/Danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-wearer.html

[Overdrive]

This study says exactly what mask advocators say since March. It even states what the articles cleverness posts conclude.

Nobody ever said if you wear a mask you protect yourself. You protect others.

[Axe]

Trying to minimize the contagiousness is what it does.

[ItsMillerTime]

ISH study shows OP is a fvggot

[Cleverness]

This study says exactly what mask advocators say since March. It even states what the articles cleverness posts conclude.

Nobody ever said if you wear a mask you protect yourself. You protect others.

Yep, it's a nothingburger. The most interesting data (adverse effects) wasn't even published.

[falc39]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8962397/Danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-wearer.html

From your own link:


The team, from Copenhagen University Hospital says the findings should not be used to argue against their widespread use because masks prevent people infecting others.

In addition, the researcher for the study even came out to say you should wear a mask.

Lead Researcher Behind Controversial Danish Study Says You Should Still Wear A Mask


“Even a small degree of protection is worth using the face masks,” says Dr. Henning Bundgaard, professor of Cardiology at Rigshospitalet in Denmark and lead author of the study, “because you are protecting yourself against a potentially life-threatening disease."

[FultzNationRISE]

From your own link:



In addition, the researcher for the study even came out to say you should wear a mask.

Lead Researcher Behind Controversial Danish Study Says You Should Still Wear A Mask


All of this stuff about masks saving lives, if true, could be applied to the regular flu virus every single year. Why didn't we ever apply the "if it saves just one life" logic before? People die by the thousands of the flu each year.

It's amazing how the media can monopolize and manipulate a narrative to the point people act as if nobody was ever dying before. The masses legitimately believe the number of people who die with corona is a NET number, and that nobody in America would have died in 2020 if it wasn't for this virus. The public is THAT stupid. When you have the same views on something as ItsMillerTime, it's probably good cause for a long look in the mirror.

Germs are a part of life. People all die at some point. This is not the bubonic plague or ebola. The people dying from corona are generally elderly people with pre-existing conditions, and it is still a TINY number of the population. Unfortunate though it is, it is not a justifiable excuse to strip people's rights, shut down their businesses, and MANDATE they all wear face diapers or go to jail. In fact I've heard plenty of sensible older folks say the same thing, and I am 1000% positive I will feel the same exact way when I'm a senior. That's part of life. You can't say 'to hell' with other people's rights because you live like a coward.

You're panicking because other people are panicking. Did you know that when sheep are transported individually they're often surrounded by mirrors to prevent them from being stressed? The media has the ability to make any given issue look like something "everyone is doing" and that leads most people to conclude they should do it too. Without any independent, intelligent thought behind their decision. Why don't we wear masks every year, to "save just one life?" Have you ever asked yourself that? Do these questions just not matter to you?

But you and ItsMillerTime go have a nice time social distancing in your face diapers. You're arm in arm with arguably the dumbest guy on the internet. Hope that makes you feel confident in your conclusions.

[Overdrive]

All of this stuff about masks saving lives, if true, could be applied to the regular flu virus every single year. Why didn't we ever apply the "if it saves just one life" logic before? People die by the thousands of the flu each year.

It's amazing how the media can monopolize and manipulate a narrative to the point people act as if nobody was ever dying before. The masses legitimately believe the number of people who die with corona is a NET number, and that nobody in America would have died in 2020 if it wasn't for this virus. The public is THAT stupid. When you have the same views on something as ItsMillerTime, it's probably good cause for a long look in the mirror.

Germs are a part of life. People all die at some point. This is not the bubonic plague or ebola. The people dying from corona are generally elderly people with pre-existing conditions, and it is still a TINY number of the population. Unfortunate though it is, it is not a justifiable excuse to strip people's rights, shut down their businesses, and MANDATE they all wear face diapers or go to jail. In fact I've heard plenty of sensible older folks say the same thing, and I am 1000% positive I will feel the same exact way when I'm a senior. That's part of life. You can't say 'to hell' with other people's rights because you live like a coward.

You're panicking because other people are panicking. Did you know that when sheep are transported individually they're often surrounded by mirrors to prevent them from being stressed? The media has the ability to make any given issue look like something "everyone is doing" and that leads most people to conclude they should do it too. Without any independent, intelligent thought behind their decision. Why don't we wear masks every year, to "save just one life?" Have you ever asked yourself that? Do these questions just not matter to you?

But you and ItsMillerTime go have a nice time social distancing in your face diapers. You're arm in arm with arguably the dumbest guy on the internet. Hope that makes you feel confident in your conclusions.

Didn't you want to quit this board? Yet here you are, melting down again.

[FultzNationRISE]

Didn't you want to quit this board? Yet here you are, melting down again.


You must have missed my follow up post. I qualified it by saying I would quit on the condition Overdrive makes at least one high IQ post in any thread, on any topic.

You didn't uphold your end of the bargain so here I am.

[Overdrive]

You must have missed my follow up post. I qualified it by saying I would quit on the condition Overdrive makes at least one high IQ post in any thread, on any topic.

You didn't uphold your end of the bargain so here I am.

:kobe:

[Cleverness]

All of this stuff about masks saving lives, if true, could be applied to the regular flu virus every single year. Why didn't we ever apply the "if it saves just one life" logic before? People die by the thousands of the flu each year.

It's amazing how the media can monopolize and manipulate a narrative to the point people act as if nobody was ever dying before. The masses legitimately believe the number of people who die with corona is a NET number, and that nobody in America would have died in 2020 if it wasn't for this virus. The public is THAT stupid. When you have the same views on something as ItsMillerTime, it's probably good cause for a long look in the mirror.

Germs are a part of life. People all die at some point. This is not the bubonic plague or ebola. The people dying from corona are generally elderly people with pre-existing conditions, and it is still a TINY number of the population. Unfortunate though it is, it is not a justifiable excuse to strip people's rights, shut down their businesses, and MANDATE they all wear face diapers or go to jail. In fact I've heard plenty of sensible older folks say the same thing, and I am 1000% positive I will feel the same exact way when I'm a senior. That's part of life. You can't say 'to hell' with other people's rights because you live like a coward.

You're panicking because other people are panicking. Did you know that when sheep are transported individually they're often surrounded by mirrors to prevent them from being stressed? The media has the ability to make any given issue look like something "everyone is doing" and that leads most people to conclude they should do it too. Without any independent, intelligent thought behind their decision. Why don't we wear masks every year, to "save just one life?" Have you ever asked yourself that? Do these questions just not matter to you?

But you and ItsMillerTime go have a nice time social distancing in your face diapers. You're arm in arm with arguably the dumbest guy on the internet. Hope that makes you feel confident in your conclusions.

While I love reading your posts, you'd be much more effective at debating here by keeping them short & simple. Once your reply goes in-depth, the sheep say "bah" and your main points/questions get ignored.

You proposed a great question though: why don't we wear masks for flu season (or even all the time)?
61,000 Americans (including 643 children for God's sake) died of flu within a very short period of time (~16 weeks) just a couple of years ago.

[falc39]

All of this stuff about masks saving lives, if true, could be applied to the regular flu virus every single year. Why didn't we ever apply the "if it saves just one life" logic before? People die by the thousands of the flu each year.

It's amazing how the media can monopolize and manipulate a narrative to the point people act as if nobody was ever dying before. The masses legitimately believe the number of people who die with corona is a NET number, and that nobody in America would have died in 2020 if it wasn't for this virus. The public is THAT stupid. When you have the same views on something as ItsMillerTime, it's probably good cause for a long look in the mirror.

Germs are a part of life. People all die at some point. This is not the bubonic plague or ebola. The people dying from corona are generally elderly people with pre-existing conditions, and it is still a TINY number of the population. Unfortunate though it is, it is not a justifiable excuse to strip people's rights, shut down their businesses, and MANDATE they all wear face diapers or go to jail. In fact I've heard plenty of sensible older folks say the same thing, and I am 1000% positive I will feel the same exact way when I'm a senior. That's part of life. You can't say 'to hell' with other people's rights because you live like a coward.

You're panicking because other people are panicking. Did you know that when sheep are transported individually they're often surrounded by mirrors to prevent them from being stressed? The media has the ability to make any given issue look like something "everyone is doing" and that leads most people to conclude they should do it too. Without any independent, intelligent thought behind their decision. Why don't we wear masks every year, to "save just one life?" Have you ever asked yourself that? Do these questions just not matter to you?

But you and ItsMillerTime go have a nice time social distancing in your face diapers. You're arm in arm with arguably the dumbest guy on the internet. Hope that makes you feel confident in your conclusions.

All I did was post something directly from the link the OP provided, and a quote from the researcher himself. None of it were my words. And here you are, completely losing it over something someone else (Danish researcher) said or that I am pointing it out. That’s what I meant when I said it’s going to be tough for you living in the world where you think everyone is wrong. The media is wrong, the scientists are wrong, everyone who doesn’t believe in your political views (majority of people in this country now) are wrong. Sounds like you are the one who needs to figure some things out so you can get on with your life. I’ve been wearing a mask since this thing started, it doesn’t bother me at all, and somehow it is bothering someone I don’t even know in some other part of the country this much more. Yikes. You also get my views wrong that you think I am for prolonged lockdowns. I am not. So take that for what it’s worth...

[Facepalm]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8962397/Danish-study-finds-face-masks-provide-limited-protection-wearer.html

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[Cleverness]

The media is wrong, the scientists are wrong, everyone who doesn’t believe in your political views (majority of people in this country now) are wrong.

I’ve been wearing a mask since this thing started, it doesn’t bother me at all...

The media is often wrong/misleading/spreading irrational fear, the quack scientists are wrong, and he makes a good point: why don't we wear masks for flu season (or even all the time)?

[falc39]

While I love reading your posts, you'd be much more effective at debating here by keeping them short & simple. Once your reply goes in-depth, the sheep say "bah" and your main points/questions get ignored.

You proposed a great question though: why don't we wear masks for flu season (or even all the time)?
61,000 Americans (including 643 children for God's sake) died of flu within a very short period of time (~16 weeks) just a couple of years ago.

He actually would be much more effective if he didn’t hurl insults and lash out at everyone, quite possibly one of the most destructive attitudes to have if you are trying to debate with others. A lot of times I temper and reduce what I say knowing what is response is going to be and so I don’t get sucked into it.

[falc39]

The media is often wrong/misleading/spreading irrational fear, the quack scientists are wrong, and he makes a good point: why don't we wear masks for flu season (or even all the time)?


Because in this case, states are enforcing lockdowns and if masks have the potential to even reduce the amount of lockdowns needed for just a little, it may very well be worth it. What do you prefer, wearing a mask or going into a lockdown?

[Cleverness]

He actually would be much more effective if he didn’t hurl insults and lash out at everyone, quite possibly one of the most destructive attitudes to have if you are trying to debate with others. A lot of times I temper and reduce what I say knowing what is response is going to be and so I don’t get sucked into it.

100%. I do the same on here (albeit to a lesser extent) when it comes to certain things, but at least I admit it.

[Cleverness]

Because in this case, states are enforcing lockdowns and if masks have the potential to even reduce the amount of lockdowns needed for just a little, it may very well be worth it. What do you prefer, wearing a mask or going into a lockdown?

I see it as a false dichotomy; no need for either, and another policy that'll increase acceptance of communist-like policies in the West - exactly what the CCP would like to see. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html)

If it was really bad, the median age of death wouldn't be above average life expectancy & we wouldn't have torn down our field hospitals in April/May (some after seeing zero covid patients) and we would have field hospitals being built all around the country (a tiny fraction of lockdown costs).

And I've said it before (perhaps a several times), I don't mind masks as much as the rest of it (forced business closures, heavy regulations, travel bans, school closures, etc), but the overrating of masks and other NPIs is ridiculous.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EncmOP2VoAMloLk?format=jpg&name=small

[FultzNationRISE]

Because in this case, states are enforcing lockdowns and if masks have the potential to even reduce the amount of lockdowns needed for just a little, it may very well be worth it. What do you prefer, wearing a mask or going into a lockdown?

:facepalm

Literally ALL you have to say to be on the logical side of the issue is that people are free to choose self isolation and grocery delivery and whatever they want, and people are free to wear masks publicly if they choose, but the government does not have the authority to require these things.

Thats all.

Instead your main gripe (speaking generally, not specific to this thread) APPEARS to be how others wont simply capitulate to the erosion of our own basic rights at the hands of obviously manipulative and opportunistic government/media influence. Thats what is distressing you most throughout this whole faux crisis :lol

How is someone supposed to respond to such a position except to call it things like shameless, and stupid? Its not like Im clowning your haircut or something irrelevant. It’s an honest assessment of the mentality you and others are positing on this topic. Shameless. And stupid.

[falc39]

I see it as a false dichotomy; no need for either, and another policy that'll increase acceptance of communist-like policies in the West - exactly what the CCP would like to see. (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html)

If it was really bad, the median age of death wouldn't be above average life expectancy & we wouldn't have torn down our field hospitals in April/May (some after seeing zero covid patients) and we would have field hospitals being built all around the country (a tiny fraction of lockdown costs).

And I've said it before (perhaps a several times), I don't mind masks as much as the rest of it (forced business closures, heavy regulations, travel bans, school closures, etc), but the overrating of masks and other NPIs is ridiculous.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EncmOP2VoAMloLk?format=jpg&name=small

Possibly a false dichotomy, but a lot of it I feel we still don’t know for sure. Recently there has been research hinting at increased effectiveness and there is probably more to come so I think it is worth it to really see what new findings will be telling us.

[falc39]

:facepalm

Literally ALL you have to say to be on the logical side of the issue is that people are free to choose self isolation and grocery delivery and whatever they want, and people are free to wear masks publicly if they choose, but the government does not have the authority to require these things.

Thats all.

Instead your main gripe (speaking generally, not specific to this thread) APPEARS to be how others wont simply capitulate to the erosion of our own basic rights at the hands of obviously manipulative and opportunistic government/media influence. Thats what is distressing you most throughout this whole faux crisis :lol

How is someone supposed to respond to such a position except to call it things like shameless, and stupid? Its not like Im clowning your haircut or something irrelevant. It’s an honest assessment of the mentality you and others are positing on this topic. Shameless. And stupid.

In principle I do agree with that, but we can talk hours about principles and it may not be relevant to the situation or lead to anything productive. What is happening today? We know for a fact that states will lockdown if the situation in their state reaches a certain threshold which is determined by the state itself. So what are you going to do about it? If masks can be shown to reduce the duration of these lockdowns and you still just can’t accept that, well then, I guess you’re going to have to be okay with the alternative, even if it’s worse and you yourself could be contributing it to make it worse.

You keep projecting and saying things like I am “distressed” or whatever- no idea where that is coming from. I am doing fine. On the other hand, in some threads you definitely sound a lot more distressed than the typical poster.

[Cleverness]

I keep hearing this though

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Enc4KdjVEAI1WRL?format=jpg&name=small

On efficacy, if masks worked as well as we've been told by certain media outlets, the results should be pretty clear. Those countries in South America had mandatory lockdowns and mandatory masks, but look at the outcome. What we're seeing is a seasonal coronavirus that hospitalizes less than flu, median age of death above life expectancy, and largely uncontrolled by masks and destructive lockdowns, all of which has been known since at least April.



“We have never before seen restrictions as severe, extensive and prolonged as those experienced for most of 2020. The COVID crisis has served as sort of a constitutional stress test.”

...A stress test failed miserably.

Videos of women and children being abducted from playgrounds in Idaho, Jewish services being raided in NY, & businesses shuttered nationwide, all bear the burden of this failure. I am convinced this loss of liberty is mere preparation for what’s to come.

Less than 20 years ago TSA checkpoints were controversial. Less than 5 years ago domestic surveillance was controversial. Both are now largely accepted by the fluoride drinkers. I venture to guess that in 5-10 years, the sort of rights-violations noted above, will no longer be controversial either. The virus has enabled the state to shift the Overton window & further domesticate their cattle.

https://www.saltheagorist.com/blogger


And... what's the argument for why we wouldn't wear masks forever?

[Overdrive]

While I love reading your posts, you'd be much more effective at debating here by keeping them short & simple. Once your reply goes in-depth, the sheep say "bah" and your main points/questions get ignored.

You proposed a great question though: why don't we wear masks for flu season (or even all the time)?
61,000 Americans (including 643 children for God's sake) died of flu within a very short period of time (~16 weeks) just a couple of years ago.

His lengthy posts aren't a problem depth wise. He basically bloats his posts with fancy words while his point is presented in one sentence. He does the same while replying. He focuses on one sentence and replies to that ignoring the rest.

Ad your and his point:

We simply live with the flu, because we lived with it forever and we know its long term effects. Most people aren't afraid of Corona because some eighty year olds die, but they're afraid of chronic lung damage and other yet unknown health issues.

That said influenza is a severe and dangerous desease and east asian people also use masks during flu season. Actually common cold and flu cause alot of economic damage every year, but the west is too dumb t aknowledge it. People go to work with mild fever, coughing and sneezing and basically shut down whole companies for days every year. If anything Corona might be used to increase mask mandates during flu season.

[Cleverness]

His lengthy posts aren't a problem depth wise. He basically bloats his posts with fancy words while his point is presented in one sentence. He does the same while replying. He focuses on one sentence and replies to that ignoring the rest.

Ad your and his point:

We simply live with the flu, because we lived with it forever and we know its long term effects. Most people aren't afraid of Corona because some eighty year olds die, but they're afraid of chronic lung damage and other yet unknown health issues.

That said influenza is a severe and dangerous desease and east asian people also use masks during flu season. Actually common cold and flu cause alot of economic damage every year, but the west is too dumb t aknowledge it. People go to work with mild fever, coughing and sneezing and basically shut down whole companies for days every year. If anything Corona might be used to increase mask mandates during flu season.

No, we were told masks don't work for 100 years.

But things have changed.

Based on what we're being told now, they save lives and prevent hospitalizations. In fact, as I've pointed out, flu actually hospitalizes more than COVID, more deadly to children, all in a shorter period of time, strengthening the case for wearing masks forever.

Sorry, but "we lived with it before" (aka deal with it) isn't a good enough answer for why we wouldn't prevent death & hospitalizations by wearing masks forever.

[Overdrive]

No, we were told masks don't work for 100 years.

But things have changed.

Based on what we're being told now, they save lives and prevent hospitalizations. In fact, as I've pointed out, flu actually hospitalizes more than COVID, more deadly to children, all in a shorter period of time, strengthening the case for wearing masks forever.

Sorry, but "we lived with it before" (aka deal with it) isn't a good enough answer for why we wouldn't prevent death & hospitalizations by wearing masks forever.

As said, politicians and pro mask scientists will probably push for seasonal mask wearing just like in east asia. It started there with SARS and became pretty normal. I don't oppose your point. It just wasn't done, because nobody cared, because influenza wasn't a novel desease. Also there's a vaccine for it, that works well some years and some doesn't. People just don't take it, because they believe they get chipped doing it.

[Cleverness]

As said, politicians and pro mask scientists will probably push for seasonal mask wearing just like in east asia. It started there with SARS and became pretty normal. I don't oppose your point. It just wasn't done, because nobody cared, because influenza wasn't a novel desease. Also there's a vaccine for it, that works well some years and some doesn't. People just don't take it, because they believe they get chipped doing it.

So since we've mandated them now in many places (for 6+ months and counting) there's really no argument against mandating that we wear them forever.

Eh, not sure it's because they believe they'd get chipped doing it. About 45% of Americans (~140-150 million) get flu shot every year - and some get it just because it's semi-required for work. Of the 55%+ who don't get it/want it, I think that they believe the time/energy spent going to get a flu shot and the possible malaise/fatigue/pain/etc afterwards isn't worth it.

Same may happen with the COVID vaccine. I'm not sure it's going to feel worth it for many people, especially those who have already had COVID or at very little risk to COVID.

Btw, curious, how many COVID infections do you think we've had so far in the US?

[Overdrive]

So since we've mandated them now in many places (for 6+ months and counting) there's really no argument against mandating that we wear them forever.

Eh, not sure it's because they believe they'd get chipped doing it. About 45% of Americans (~140-150 million) get flu shot every year - and some get it just because it's semi-required for work. Of the 55%+ who don't get it/want it, I think that they believe the time/energy spent going to get a flu shot and the possible malaise/fatigue/pain/etc afterwards isn't worth it.

Same may happen with the COVID vaccine. I'm not sure it's going to feel worth it for many people, especially those who have already had COVID or at very little risk to COVID.

Btw, curious, how many COVID infections do you think we've had so far in the US?

45% is a pretty decent number. It's below 10% here.

Registered or estimated cases?

[FultzNationRISE]

As said, politicians and pro mask scientists will probably push for seasonal mask wearing just like in east asia. It started there with SARS and became pretty normal. I don't oppose your point. It just wasn't done, because nobody cared, because influenza wasn't a novel desease. Also there's a vaccine for it, that works well some years and some doesn't. People just don't take it, because they believe they get chipped doing it.

And in your view, this will be sufficient reason to accept it? "Our government wants us to be more like totalitarian countries in the second world, to protect us from the flu!"

Yeah. That sounds genuine and well intentioned. Amazing people like you who condemn governments like the US and China as deeply corrupt, suddenly believe these governments care so much about the health and well being of the middling masses, that all these corona response measures are surely being done in good faith :oldlol:

Furthermore, in the long run masking and social distancing will weaken our immune systems and make us more susceptible to novel diseases. The reason our diseases wiped out the Indians, while the syphilis we picked up from them just made our ***** itch, was Europeans had more robust immune systems from years of living in cities, trading with other continents, tending to livestock etc.

Life is life. If you're scared of the flu virus, that's your problem. Mask mandates? You're a female.

YOU ARE A FEMALE.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TS9br9pCrOI/hqdefault.jpg


She's talking about you bro.

How does that make you feel?

Your own women have become disinterested in your prissy, sissy weakness.


The things you type, you would ONLY EVER HEAR from men who look like this:

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I am 1000% sure that's the kind of man you are. Limp wristed metro sexual liberal dweeb.

Yuck.

[Cleverness]

45% is a pretty decent number. It's below 10% here.

Registered or estimated cases?

Actual COVID infections.

[Cleverness]

And in your view, this will be sufficient reason to accept it? "Our government wants us to be more like totalitarian countries in the second world, to protect us from the flu!"

Yeah. That sounds genuine and well intentioned. Amazing people like you who condemn governments like the US and China as deeply corrupt, suddenly believe these governments care so much about the health and well being of the middling masses, that all these corona response measures are surely being done in good faith :oldlol:

Furthermore, in the long run masking and social distancing will weaken our immune systems and make us more susceptible to novel diseases. The reason our diseases wiped out the Indians, while the syphilis we picked up from them just made our ***** itch, was Europeans had more robust immune systems from years of living in cities, trading with other continents, tending to livestock etc.

Oh come on, we know it's because the Indians didn't lockdown hard enough and have masks mandates like the Europeans.

Same thing happening right now in South America vs Africa.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EncmOP2VoAMloLk?format=jpg&name=small

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EndUCBpUwAAJ8pf?format=jpg&name=small

[oldtimer28]

All of this stuff about masks saving lives, if true, could be applied to the regular flu virus every single year. Why didn't we ever apply the "if it saves just one life" logic before? People die by the thousands of the flu each year.

It's amazing how the media can monopolize and manipulate a narrative to the point people act as if nobody was ever dying before. The masses legitimately believe the number of people who die with corona is a NET number, and that nobody in America would have died in 2020 if it wasn't for this virus. The public is THAT stupid. When you have the same views on something as ItsMillerTime, it's probably good cause for a long look in the mirror.

Germs are a part of life. People all die at some point. This is not the bubonic plague or ebola. The people dying from corona are generally elderly people with pre-existing conditions, and it is still a TINY number of the population. Unfortunate though it is, it is not a justifiable excuse to strip people's rights, shut down their businesses, and MANDATE they all wear face diapers or go to jail. In fact I've heard plenty of sensible older folks say the same thing, and I am 1000% positive I will feel the same exact way when I'm a senior. That's part of life. You can't say 'to hell' with other people's rights because you live like a coward.

You're panicking because other people are panicking. Did you know that when sheep are transported individually they're often surrounded by mirrors to prevent them from being stressed? The media has the ability to make any given issue look like something "everyone is doing" and that leads most people to conclude they should do it too. Without any independent, intelligent thought behind their decision. Why don't we wear masks every year, to "save just one life?" Have you ever asked yourself that? Do these questions just not matter to you?

But you and ItsMillerTime go have a nice time social distancing in your face diapers. You're arm in arm with arguably the dumbest guy on the internet. Hope that makes you feel confident in your conclusions.

Good post

[CelticBaller]

People who actually live in america know who the retards really are :oldlol:

[FultzNationRISE]

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Chief Frightened Sheep, reporting for duty!

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[Overdrive]

And in your view, this will be sufficient reason to accept it? "Our government wants us to be more like totalitarian countries in the second world, to protect us from the flu!"

Yeah. That sounds genuine and well intentioned. Amazing people like you who condemn governments like the US and China as deeply corrupt, suddenly believe these governments care so much about the health and well being of the middling masses, that all these corona response measures are surely being done in good faith :oldlol:

I don't care much about what the government wants, but I believe in science. The problem with flu is that smear infection plays a bigger role in transmitting it. People with masks tend to touch their face more often so it might be detrimental in that case.




Furthermore, in the long run masking and social distancing will weaken our immune systems and make us more susceptible to novel diseases. The reason our diseases wiped out the Indians, while the syphilis we picked up from them just made our ***** itch, was Europeans had more robust immune systems from years of living in cities, trading with other continents, tending to livestock etc.

Life is life. If you're scared of the flu virus, that's your problem. Mask mandates? You're a female.

YOU ARE A FEMALE.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TS9br9pCrOI/hqdefault.jpg


She's talking about you bro.

How does that make you feel?

Your own women have become disinterested in your prissy, sissy weakness.


The things you type, you would ONLY EVER HEAR from men who look like this:

https://jacksonfreepress.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2013/10/08/Justin_and_Eddie_TB_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e 40cf708e3fa67d9af9d

I am 1000% sure that's the kind of man you are. Limp wristed metro sexual liberal dweeb.

Yuck.

Unlike you tiny whiny bailed out *** I'm actually working instead of selling 3 freedom blades a year, I also have hobbies that demand leaving my flat. I'm not afraid of the flu, being sick just sucks. It's an annoyance. On a economical scale the flu is huge disaster every year and thus anything to reduce its impact seems reasonable, but who am I talking to. Aren't you ISH' chief capitalist? Why do you hate the economy so much? The things I type you hear from educated people. The things you type are basically rehashed points of so called losers of modernization, who hang around facebook 24/7.

[TheGreatKabuki]

Not "liberals" per se but the far left and the far right are ruining the country while the middle just go about their business.

[warriorfan]

And in your view, this will be sufficient reason to accept it? "Our government wants us to be more like totalitarian countries in the second world, to protect us from the flu!"

Yeah. That sounds genuine and well intentioned. Amazing people like you who condemn governments like the US and China as deeply corrupt, suddenly believe these governments care so much about the health and well being of the middling masses, that all these corona response measures are surely being done in good faith :oldlol:

Furthermore, in the long run masking and social distancing will weaken our immune systems and make us more susceptible to novel diseases. The reason our diseases wiped out the Indians, while the syphilis we picked up from them just made our ***** itch, was Europeans had more robust immune systems from years of living in cities, trading with other continents, tending to livestock etc.

Life is life. If you're scared of the flu virus, that's your problem. Mask mandates? You're a female.

YOU ARE A FEMALE.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/TS9br9pCrOI/hqdefault.jpg


She's talking about you bro.

How does that make you feel?

Your own women have become disinterested in your prissy, sissy weakness.


The things you type, you would ONLY EVER HEAR from men who look like this:

https://jacksonfreepress.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/photos/2013/10/08/Justin_and_Eddie_TB_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e 40cf708e3fa67d9af9d

I am 1000% sure that's the kind of man you are. Limp wristed metro sexual liberal dweeb.

Yuck.

All of his posts sound like they come from some crazy mom.

[Patrick Chewing]

Liberals. The scourge of the Earth.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't care much about what the government wants, but I believe in science. The problem with flu is that smear infection plays a bigger role in transmitting it. People with masks tend to touch their face more often so it might be detrimental in that case.




Unlike you tiny whiny bailed out *** I'm actually working instead of selling 3 freedom blades a year, I also have hobbies that demand leaving my flat. I'm not afraid of the flu, being sick just sucks. It's an annoyance. On a economical scale the flu is huge disaster every year and thus anything to reduce its impact seems reasonable, but who am I talking to. Aren't you ISH' chief capitalist? Why do you hate the economy so much? The things I type you hear from educated people. The things you type are basically rehashed points of so called losers of modernization, who hang around facebook 24/7.


"I believe in science" :lol

is a complete non sequitur. You support science, therefore government can dictate our lives, for the sake of economical efficiency.

Okay, lets talk science and efficiency. Humans are different, that is a scientific FACT. African Americans have longer arms, good for athletics. Larger mouths and nostrils, which makes them strong singers. For efficiency's sake, let's MANDATE blacks should be athletes and singers. That way they're not wasting society's time. Asians are less suited for athletics, let's make sure we're not giving them scholarships for sports when they should be focused on memorizing data to become doctors and researchers. White people are pretty stiff and good at writing memos, let's make sure to mandate they all become middle managers at industrial plants. This would all be tremendously economical. Nobody wasting time on "freedom." Feel free to correct me if I've said anything scientifically inaccurate.

Let's do some more. Men become easily aroused in the presence of scantily clad females. Scientific FACT. When men are aroused, they become less able to focus on other activities. Scientific FACT. Let's cover women head to toe in public, and get them out of the work place. The full body blanket comes off ONLY in the bedroom when it is time for sex. For the sake of economic efficiency, they may work, but strictly in women-only facilities. The perfect amalgam of science and efficiency.

I mean I'm a healthy guy, I don't need to walk around in a mask. But for the sake of the collective we must all do what government decides is right if it can be justified by science. If you wanna have that conversation? Fine. But you can't pick and choose to use it only when 'I believe in science' sounds superior and magnanimous to the generic herd. When the idiots out there smear you and cry 'eugenics! nazi! sexism! racism!' you still have to stand by science. Because you believe in science .

Otherwise you're just another mentally insufficient dweeb like Bladefd, Millertime, JtotheIzzo, RMWG, etc., (shout out to the shmoo crew) taking social cues about which subjects to get angry and emotional about, but deep down unable to actually understand anything that's going on in any way.

Science!

[Overdrive]

What a meltdown filled with nonsense.

[FultzNationRISE]

What a meltdown filled with nonsense.


YOURE MELTDOWN :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Axe]

What a meltdown filled with nonsense.
:(

[BurningHammer]

YOURE MELTDOWN :mad: :mad: :mad:

:roll:

[bladefd]

What a meltdown filled with nonsense.

I think everyone should lay off the poor fellow. Let him vent and let it all out.

Fultz, we are with you buddy. It will all be okay soon!

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[Nanners]

Can anyone give a scientific explanation for how a mask can prevent you from spreading the virus, while simultaneously doing nothing to prevent you from catching it? How exactly is it that virus particles are unable to travel out of a mask, yet the same particles have no problem traveling into a mask?

Lately I have been seeing a ton of people using those N-95 masks with the little plastic valves on them. These masks are specifically designed to prevent things from getting in, and that little plastic valve closes while you are inhaling, and then opens to allow your breath to escape freely when you are exhaling. If we're supposed to believe that you cannot protect yourself from COVID with a mask, and the entire point of masks is to protect the people around you, why the hell are we allowing people to wear masks specifically designed to prevent anything from entering the mask while allowing their exhaled breaths to vent outside the mask without any filtration whatsoever?

[AKA_AAP]

Majority of lefties are sociopaths and unethical twats. If you have a job, whether employed or self-employed, look around your workplace a little more carefully. You'll notice that the ones that are stealing from the company are almost always a democrat.

[bladefd]

Can anyone give a scientific explanation for how a mask can prevent you from spreading the virus, while simultaneously doing nothing to prevent you from catching it? How exactly is it that virus particles are unable to travel out of a mask, yet the same particles have no problem traveling into a mask?

Lately I have been seeing a ton of people using those N-95 masks with the little plastic valves on them. These masks are specifically designed to prevent things from getting in, and that little plastic valve closes while you are inhaling, and then opens to allow your breath to escape freely when you are exhaling. If we're supposed to believe that you cannot protect yourself from COVID with a mask, and the entire point of masks is to protect the people around you, why the hell are we allowing people to wear masks specifically designed to prevent anything from entering the mask while allowing their exhaled breaths to vent outside the mask without any filtration whatsoever?

n95 masks & respirators (what you mentioned with the valve) can provide protection from viruses like covid from entering the mask, especially in droplet form. They can also keep you from exhaling out virus if you are infected & you have the n95/respirator on. It essentially works both ways as long as the fitting is tight and has no air leakage. The respirator along with gas mask can be used against actual biological weapons.

As for surgical masks.. I don't think plain old surgical mask would help very much against a biological attack because it does not filter inhalation. You would need a full protective suit along with n95 respirator against some biological weapon that can enter through the skin. Surgical masks just stop droplets and liquids from entering and being exhaled (mask absorbs it).

Recent study I read and posted in the covid thread few weeks back said multi-layer cotton masks & surgical masks provide some minimal protection from viruses but mostly by keeping out droplets. They can't filter out the air during intake like a tight n95 mask or respirator/gas mask. For exhaling, cloth mask & surgical mask can stop you from expelling droplet from cough or sneeze by absorbing it into the material.

I personally use surgical mask when I occasionally leave the house. We got a large box of surgical masks from Costco in bulk-type box. I believe it has 250 masks in it (on 2nd pack). . It keeps out droplets during inhale and keeps in my droplets during exhale, it's good enough for me. And is easy to breathe without resistance. I won't get the n95 respiratory masks.

[Overdrive]

Can anyone give a scientific explanation for how a mask can prevent you from spreading the virus, while simultaneously doing nothing to prevent you from catching it? How exactly is it that virus particles are unable to travel out of a mask, yet the same particles have no problem traveling into a mask?

Lately I have been seeing a ton of people using those N-95 masks with the little plastic valves on them. These masks are specifically designed to prevent things from getting in, and that little plastic valve closes while you are inhaling, and then opens to allow your breath to escape freely when you are exhaling. If we're supposed to believe that you cannot protect yourself from COVID with a mask, and the entire point of masks is to protect the people around you, why the hell are we allowing people to wear masks specifically designed to prevent anything from entering the mask while allowing their exhaled breaths to vent outside the mask without any filtration whatsoever?

The surgical mask prevents droplets from flying around. Not your breath which creates an aersol. These droplets if contagous contain the highest amount of viruses. They get caught in the mask. But only for a certain amount of time. A wet mask is useless. Neither valve nor surgical masks keep your breath in and filter viruses. The surgical is a tad better in keeping droplets in.

If you wear a mask and someone spits droplets on it they evaporate just like water evaporates on a surface. If these droplets contain viruses the aerosol can infect you. That and the fact that bacteria that usually don't travel from mouth to the lungs can do if keep it on long enough are the downside of masks.



Majority of lefties are sociopaths and unethical twats. If you have a job, whether employed or self-employed, look around your workplace a little more carefully. You'll notice that the ones that are stealing from the company are almost always a democrat.

Sure. I'm a lefty. Never stole. Seen enough rightwingers who did. So what? Some people steal. Pinning that to ideology is borderline retarded.

[Nanners]

The surgical mask prevents droplets from flying around. Not your breath which creates an aersol. These droplets if contagous contain the highest amount of viruses. They get caught in the mask. But only for a certain amount of time. A wet mask is useless. Neither valve nor surgical masks keep your breath in and filter viruses. The surgical is a tad better in keeping droplets in.

If you wear a mask and someone spits droplets on it they evaporate just like water evaporates on a surface. If these droplets contain viruses the aerosol can infect you. That and the fact that bacteria that usually don't travel from mouth to the lungs can do if keep it on long enough are the downside of masks.

Do you have sources for any of these claims? I dont want you to waste your time, so just to be clear by sources I mean real scientific studies that have been published in journals.

If the mask is all about preventing water droplets from escaping, then it would only useful in situations like when someone is shouting or coughing, and there would be no reason for the mask to ever cover someones nose (unless that person happens to be sneezing or something). Also, if were saying the virus aerosolizes out of the droplets, why would virus deposited via droplet on the inside of a mask be any more or less capable of aerosolization than virus from a droplet deposited on the outside of a mask?

If the mask is about preventing water droplets from escaping, why does the mask need to be up over a persons nose?

[Overdrive]

Do you have sources for any of these claims? I dont want you to waste your time, so just to be clear by sources I mean real scientific studies that have been published in journals.

If the mask is all about preventing water droplets from escaping, then it would only useful in situations like when someone is shouting or coughing, and there would be no reason for the mask to ever cover someones nose (unless that person happens to be sneezing or something). Also, if were saying the virus aerosolizes out of the droplets, why would virus deposited via droplet on the inside of a mask be any more or less capable of aerosolization than virus from a droplet deposited on the outside of a mask?

If the mask is about preventing water droplets from escaping, why does the mask need to be up over a persons nose?

I'd have to look for english studies. Most are sources used in native articles. Will look for it later today.

Covering your nose is incase of sneezing and you also transperse droplets from your nose if you breath through it. I never heard anyone claim masks filter the virus.

Bolded: Of course the concentration on your mask is much higher if someone infected directly spits on yours and you breath in its aerosol. It's milimeters away from your mouth.

Take a mask, put a drop of some aroma right infront of your mouth, and then 1m or further away.

[bladefd]

I'd have to look for english studies. Most are sources used in native articles. Will look for it later today.

Covering your nose is incase of sneezing and you also transperse droplets from your nose if you breath through it. I never heard anyone claim masks filter the virus.

Bolded: Of course the concentration on your mask is much higher if someone infected directly spits on yours and you breath in its aerosol. It's milimeters away from your mouth.

Take a mask, put a drop of some aroma right infront of your mouth, and then 1m or further away.

N95 respirator/gas mask can filter viruses I believe during inhalation. Surgical masks, cloth masks cannot though.

This type of n95 respirator:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61mC%2BHA7jXL._SX342_.jpg
This type of gas mask:
https://www.varusteleka.com/pictures/thumbsfb/471485e68ed714c90e.jpg

(gas masks might also have their own air source like a scuba diver or chemical weapons specialist wears)

[Overdrive]

N95 respirator/gas mask can filter viruses I believe during inhalation. Surgical masks, cloth masks cannot though.

This type of n95 respirator:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61mC%2BHA7jXL._SX342_.jpg
This type of gas mask:
https://www.varusteleka.com/pictures/thumbsfb/471485e68ed714c90e.jpg

Your masks aside from the cloth filter in the mask I posted have a carbon filter inside that is able to bind organic molecules, like hydrocarbons. I need to wear one at work few times a week for up to 3 hours and they become an annoyance after a while.

That isn't the mask that is talked about in the media though. This is:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/N95mask.jpg/674px-N95mask.jpg
That can't even seal your nose properly.

[bladefd]

Your masks aside from the cloth filter in the mask I posted have a carbon filter inside that is able to bind organic molecules, like hydrocarbons. I need to wear one at work few times a weak for up to 3 hours.

That isn't the mask that is talked about in the media though. This is:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/N95mask.jpg/674px-N95mask.jpg
That can't even seal your nose properly.

Now that type of n95 mask does not filter viruses during inhale, yup. It stops large droplets from entering but that is about it. Same on exhale. You pretty much need active filtration like a gas mask or one with carbon filter like the respirator I posted if you are trying to filter out viruses from being inhaled. Short of using those 2 types, you can only stop droplets, which is how large amounts of viruses are spread.

[Patrick Chewing]

Beyond retarded. Flat out demonic.

[TheMan]

Beyond retarded. Flat out demonic.

Says the guy who supports an immoral conman who couldn't explain the difference between the Old and New Testament. I wouldn't doubt if he were the Antichrist, he fits the description perfectly...

[Axe]

N95 respirator/gas mask can filter viruses I believe during inhalation. Surgical masks, cloth masks cannot though.

This type of n95 respirator:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61mC%2BHA7jXL._SX342_.jpg
This type of gas mask:
https://www.varusteleka.com/pictures/thumbsfb/471485e68ed714c90e.jpg

(gas masks might also have their own air source like a scuba diver or chemical weapons specialist wears)
But these are expensive, aren't they?

[bladefd]

But these are expensive, aren't they?

Yes. I think former is like 30 bucks apiece (not sure how much filters cost)

Gas mask, I don't know. Probably at least $100, I ain't buying that :oldlol:

[Axe]

Yes. I think former is like 30 bucks apiece (not sure how much filters cost)

Gas mask, I don't know. Probably at least $100, I ain't buying that :oldlol:
So they're not for the masses unless somebody donates them. Lol.

[Overdrive]

So they're not for the masses unless somebody donates them. Lol.

They're durable. My last mask lasted 3years. Filter change about once or twice a year.

[TheGreatKabuki]

Mask AND goggles are needed for full protection as the virus may enter through your eyes. I was lucky enough to catch COVID in late March. Not bad, similar to a prolonged cold. Still have the antibodies and it has been seven months. Still wear a mask but just for optics given my immunity.

[Patrick Chewing]

Says the guy who supports an immoral conman who couldn't explain the difference between the Old and New Testament. I wouldn't doubt if he were the Antichrist, he fits the description perfectly...

Amigo, you have a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. I'm being serious now. I'm concerned for you. All you do is talk about Trump day in and day out. You hate the man so much that it's consuming you. I can see it. Everyone can see it. Seek immediate help.

[Lil-Shrimp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkuQ6mMUwAAS9ed?format=jpg&name=large


:roll:

[Lil-Shrimp]

@itscuckoldtime

You down for a cycling trip there?