Stop Comparing Active Players with Legends...

[dankok8]

Let the dust settle... I remember a decade ago the Jordan-Kobe arguments were everywhere with Kobe getting a lot of love and now Kobe is out of most people's top 10 which is crazy. Let's pump the brakes on Lebron GOAT discussions until his career is done and he's retired from the league for a few years.

Just my two cents.

[Tobio-Star]

Chill bud. It's not the end of the world if LeBron is better than Jordan. I'm sure you can get over it

[Axe]

Somebody younger will eventually trump lebron too. Who knows. It's inevitable.

[light]

Let the dust settle... I remember a decade ago the Jordan-Kobe arguments were everywhere with Kobe getting a lot of love and now Kobe is out of most people's top 10 which is crazy. Let's pump the brakes on Lebron GOAT discussions until his career is done and he's retired from the league for a few years.

Just my two cents.

A decade ago was 2010. It was Jordan-LeBron arguments then too. Kobe's standing today has actually improved a little bit since then. In 2010 I had him in the top 15, now most people would say that's too far - top 12 at lowest.

We don't need to pump the brakes. We already know LeBron is the GOAT. We've seen 17 years of him. We don't need to see anything else.

[Axe]

A decade ago was 2010. It was Jordan-LeBron arguments then too. Kobe's standing today has actually improved a little bit since then. In 2010 I had him in the top 15, now most people would say that's too far - top 12 at lowest.

We don't need to pump the brakes. We already know LeBron is the GOAT. We've seen 17 years of him. We don't need to see anything else.
:oldlol: @ the nut-riding but ok

[NBAGOAT]

for me it's fine. it's not possible for someone to get worse from playing more games unless someone better comes along. the people who had kobe no2 back then are not the same people who have him out of top 10 now unless they completely changed how they view basketball

[ArbitraryWater]

Why?

[dankok8]

Why?

Because with active players a lot of people compare with the end point in mind when the careers are not finished. It's all hypotheticals. People also get caught up in the moment and overreact to every little thing.

[Kblaze8855]

This is Larry Bird after Jordans 48th career game in the NBA:


''I have never seen one player turn a team around like that,'' said Bird, snapping his fingers. ''All the Bulls have become better because of him. Orlando Woolridge will probably be an All-Star for the rest of his career. And pretty soon, this place will be packed every night, not just when the Celtics come to town. They`ll pay just to watch Jordan. Got to.''

Bird recently volunteered his vote for Jordan as the finest athlete he`d ever witnessed or opposed, mentioning the Bulls` electric rookie in the same monologue as Wayne Gretzky. After observing Jordan gyrate for 41 points, a game-high 12 rebounds and 7 assists Tuesday night, Bird was in no mood for second opinions.

''Best,'' said Bird. ''Never seen anyone like him. Unlike anyone I`ve ever seen. Phenomenal. One of a kind.''

In other words . . .

''One of a kind,'' he repeated. ''That`s what I mean about the league. With guys like him coming in from college year after year, we just can`t help but get a better image, better crowds, better TV ratings. He`s the best. Ever.''

Better than Larry Bird?

''Yup,'' said Bird. ''At his stage in his career, he`s doing more than I ever did. I couldn`t do what he did as a rookie. Heck, there was one drive tonight. He had the ball up in his right hand, then he took it down, then he brought it back up. I got a hand on it, fouled him, and he still scored. And all the while, he`s in the air. You have to play this game to know how difficult that is. You see that and figure, `Well, what the heck can you do?` ''

One of Jordan`s creations didn`t make it to the scorebook. Near the end of the first quarter, he posed at the center line, dribbling seconds away, like an airplane about to take off. Then he bore through and over a sea of green jerseys for a slam. Mike Mathis, the out official, figured something so spectacular couldn`t also be legal, so he whistled Jordan for an offensive foul.

''Best,'' repeated Bird. ''I`d seen a little of him before and wasn`t that impressed. I mean, I thought he`d be good, but not this good. Ain`t nothing he can`t do. That`s good for this franchise, good for the league.''

[leBron Bieber]

Somebody younger will eventually trump lebron too. Who knows. It's inevitable.

Of course . I’m sure the league expects someone to be everything lebron was but this time with a pure jumpshot ( pure jumpshot is a 90% ft shooter to me ). I could see it happening . Lebron is magic with Jordan’s drive for greatness with the body of dominque Wilkins .. that’s all legends .. I’d imagine up next would be a ginnais height with kd skills and the leadership or knowledge of the game like bron to be the true chosen one after lebron finishes breaking the nba .

We all know KD should have been the next one .. he had it all but he had the mind of a 15 year old girl and not a KING and it shows it their career resume .

[rawimpact]

There's always gotta be that one dickhead that comes in just to tell everyone what to talk about on a message board.

Dont like the redundant threads like most of us? Move on...

[GrayGoat]

LeBron is comparable to MJ because he has arguably better stats and comparable accolades. Op you act like a player like LeBron is common. Stfu and enjoy this

[dankok8]

LeBron is comparable to MJ because he has arguably better stats and comparable accolades. Op you act like a player like LeBron is common. Stfu and enjoy this

Why are you and some other people so sensitive to people having opinions? Yes I think Jordan is better than Lebron. Some others think differently. And that's ok. I just used the Jordan/Kobe/Lebron example but it applies to all active players. Let their careers finish before comparing to retired legends.

[GrayGoat]

Why are you and some other people so sensitive to people having opinions? Yes I think Jordan is better than Lebron. Some others think differently. And that's ok. I just used the Jordan/Kobe/Lebron example but it applies to all active players. Let their careers finish before comparing to retired legends.

LeBron is still being compared 10 years later. 3ball is making 3-5 threads on LeBron everyday. This is not the same as comparing Kobe to MJ and you know it

[dankok8]

LeBron is still being compared 10 years later. 3ball is making 3-5 threads on LeBron everyday. This is not the same as comparing Kobe to MJ and you know it

3ball or random Lebron stans creating threads means nothing. Kobe was compared to MJ 10 years ago. I participated in arguments and tried to pump the brakes and was called a hater. Same as now... But regardless let's say Lebron is the GOAT. Let's wait for his career to finish before calling him that.

[GrayGoat]

3ball or random Lebron stans creating threads means nothing. Kobe was compared to MJ 10 years ago. I participated in arguments and tried to pump the brakes and was called a hater. Same as now... But regardless let's say Lebron is the GOAT. Let's wait for his career to finish before calling him that.

Kobe had no real argument over MJ. LeBron does

[dankok8]

Kobe had no real argument over MJ. LeBron does

The argument for Kobe was that his basketball skills were the most developed ever. And there is a real argument to be made that Kobe was indeed more skilled than any other player in history. And even aesthetics are part of it for some people as weird as that sounds. They see the game as an art form and hate watching Dwight Howard play in comparison to the silky smooth Al Jefferson. You can't be the GOAT if you don't have the GOAT skills they say.

That's not the way I view basketball but I respect it. Everyone has their views.

[3ball]

LeBron is still being compared 10 years later. 3ball is making 3-5 threads on LeBron everyday. This is not the same as comparing Kobe to MJ and you know it

I discovered social media and started posting in 2014...... basically after Kobe

But before 2014, I would have arguments with people about MJ and Kobe... I even called a radio station twice to bash Kobe.. I feel bad about that in hindsight.. but it made me nauseous hearing mark jackson say Kobe was goat

[Dbrog]

Why are you and some other people so sensitive to people having opinions? Yes I think Jordan is better than Lebron. Some others think differently. And that's ok. I just used the Jordan/Kobe/Lebron example but it applies to all active players. Let their careers finish before comparing to retired legends.

Because for the Bron-stans here, he is all encompassing. He is tied to their very presence on this board so they personalize everything. This is also why they start saying that you are making statements that you aren't and this is a prime example. You said nothing about where you think Bron should be ranked but they peg you as a Jordan lover who is scared that someone is going to usurp him. This board is something else...

On topic: I remember those same Kobe/Jordan threads and you are 100% correct in that they looked identical to Bron/Jordan threads. It's also shown here right after someone wins a championship and people go apeshit with DIRK JUST GOT INTO THE TOP 10 or Kawhi is better than lebron now! It's all just silly overreaction and I very much agree that we should let the dust settle to see things with clearer eyes

[GrayGoat]

The argument for Kobe was that his basketball skills were the most developed ever. And there is a real argument to be made that Kobe was indeed more skilled than any other player in history. And even aesthetics are part of it for some people as weird as that sounds. They see the game as an art form and hate watching Dwight Howard play in comparison to the silky smooth Al Jefferson. You can't be the GOAT if you don't have the GOAT skills they say.

That's not the way I view basketball but I respect it. Everyone has their views.

Kobes argument is always a statement like skills or footwork. I rather use the players actual body of work then a few arbitrary statements

[SATAN]

Yes I think Jordan is better than Lebron. Some others think differently. And that's ok.

You practically told people it's not ok and to not talk about it in the OP. Getting sick of your shit tbh.

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball or random Lebron stans creating threads means nothing. Kobe was compared to MJ 10 years ago. I participated in arguments and tried to pump the brakes and was called a hater. Same as now... But regardless let's say Lebron is the GOAT. Let's wait for his career to finish before calling him that.
I think 17 years is enough of a sample size to claim LeBron's the GOAT if that's what you believe. Do you actually think we have to wait for Brady or Federer/Nadal to retire before we can call them the GOAT?

[GrayGoat]

I think 17 years is enough of a sample size to claim LeBron's the GOAT if that's what you believe. Do you actually think we have to wait for Brady or Federer/Nadal to retire before we can call them the GOAT?

Literally every major source has LeBron top 3 at worse. But we should listen to a few loonies on a dead forum who have a retarded take lol

[dankok8]

I think 17 years is enough of a sample size to claim LeBron's the GOAT if that's what you believe. Do you actually think we have to wait for Brady or Federer/Nadal to retire before we can call them the GOAT?

It's different for Brady and Federer/Nadal/Djokovic because they already accomplished much more than any other player in their respective sports. With Lebron if he retired right now with 4 titles I'm not sure his resume holds up to scrutiny 10 years from now. He accomplished noticeably less than other GOAT candidates... as of right now. That's why we should wait for his career to finish because that could change.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's different for Brady and Federer/Nadal/Djokovic because they already accomplished much more than any other player in their respective sports. With Lebron if he retired right now with 4 titles I'm not sure his resume holds up to scrutiny 10 years from now. He accomplished noticeably less than other GOAT candidates... as of right now. That's why we should wait for his career to finish because that could change.
What's noticeably less? He has more MVP's, FMVP's, & All-NBA's Teams than anybody outside of Jordan & Kareem, and will be at the top of virtually every statistical leaderboard

[Axe]

3ball or random Lebron stans creating threads means nothing. Kobe was compared to MJ 10 years ago. I participated in arguments and tried to pump the brakes and was called a hater. Same as now... But regardless let's say Lebron is the GOAT. Let's wait for his career to finish before calling him that.
3ball calling kobe 'mj 2.0' is kinda clueless or far-fetched af.

[coastalmarker99]

It's different for Brady and Federer/Nadal/Djokovic because they already accomplished much more than any other player in their respective sports. With Lebron if he retired right now with 4 titles I'm not sure his resume holds up to scrutiny 10 years from now. He accomplished noticeably less than other GOAT candidates... as of right now. That's why we should wait for his career to finish because that could change.


There are only 4 real Goat candidates in Nba history and they are

Jordan for his mixture of team success and individual domiance

Kareem for his longevity and scoring and also team success through can be knocked down for only making to two finals and winning one ring in the weakest era in Nba history through you can't really blame for that besides 1973 where Nate locked him up and shut him down causing the Bucks to lose in the first round.

Wilt for his individual success has more records then anyone else and would have almost 40 more if stats were tracked as they were nowadays in his time and also his ability to change roles throughout his career was very close to winning an mvp and title in each role he played truth be told he should have won the mvp in 1972 and 1962 which would have given him 6 MVPs awards for his career

Through Kareem should have won the award the very next year in 1973 which still gives him 6 for his career.




And finally Lebron that's it that's the 4 goat candidates in Nba history and Lebron if he retires today stacks well with everyone on this list besides maybe Jordan

[dankok8]

What's noticeably less? He has more MVP's, FMVP's, & All-NBA's Teams than anybody outside of Jordan & Kareem, and will be at the top of virtually every statistical leaderboard

And Bill Russell...

My point exactly. He has major accomplishments than those guys.

[Baller789]

Because for the Bron-stans here, he is all encompassing. He is tied to their very presence on this board so they personalize everything. This is also why they start saying that you are making statements that you aren't and this is a prime example. You said nothing about where you think Bron should be ranked but they peg you as a Jordan lover who is scared that someone is going to usurp him. This board is something else...

On topic: I remember those same Kobe/Jordan threads and you are 100% correct in that they looked identical to Bron/Jordan threads. It's also shown here right after someone wins a championship and people go apeshit with DIRK JUST GOT INTO THE TOP 10 or Kawhi is better than lebron now! It's all just silly overreaction and I very much agree that we should let the dust settle to see things with clearer eyes

Correct. If you say anything that is not pro Lebron, they automatically label you a Jordan stan. Which is funny because they are the ones who usually bring up the Jordan vs Lebron comparison in the first place.

Whenever I bring up other players vs Lebron, they go quiet as a a piece of cotton falling from the sky. Its as if they only post in this forum to slurp LBJ and tear down Jordan.

[Jasper]

Let the dust settle... I remember a decade ago the Jordan-Kobe arguments were everywhere with Kobe getting a lot of love and now Kobe is out of most people's top 10 which is crazy. Let's pump the brakes on Lebron GOAT discussions until his career is done and he's retired from the league for a few years.

Just my two cents.

most seasoned fans do do comparisons , and in a forum I believe it is a natural thing.
just as long as it does not go to an extreme level

[Hey Yo]

Why are you and some other people so sensitive to people having opinions? Yes I think Jordan is better than Lebron. Some others think differently. And that's ok. I just used the Jordan/Kobe/Lebron example but it applies to all active players. Let their careers finish before comparing to retired legends.
Says the sensitive guy who made the thread asking people to quit having player comparison opinions.

[Hey Yo]

I discovered social media and started posting in 2014...... basically after Kobe

But before 2014, I would have arguments with people about MJ and Kobe... I even called a radio station 170,650 times to bash Kobe.. I feel bad about that in hindsight.. but it made me nauseous hearing mark jackson say Kobe was goat
fixed for the probable amount of actual calls made.