Was Lebron a 1-trick pony before "the decision"?

[3ball]

with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd?

until Wade, Kyrie and AD made him better? (elevated him to champion)?

Everyone says lebron makes guys better by bringing them titles but lebron was a 1-trick pony before teaming up, so they made him better

Is that the historical record?

[3ball]

No Pip... No Chip





CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Wade.'.... 22.0.. 4.7.. 5.4.. 55.4 ts.. 23.5 PER.. 0.160 ws/48.. 5.0 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

AD.......... 24.0.. 10.4.. 2.2.. 58.8 ts.. 27.4 PER.. 0.219 ws/48.. 6.3 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.... 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Wade.'.... 22.3.. 5.2.. 4.9.. 54.9 ts.. 22.4 PER.. 0.155 ws/48.. 5.3 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

AD.......... 28.8.. 10.8.. 2.8.. 63.3 ts.. 28.4 PER.. 0.243 ws/48.. 7.4 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.... 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

[NBAGOAT]

we're really going shit on kidd and iverson for making the finals only once with the mediocre help they had now too. people are also high on lebron as a floor raiser, making bad rosters playoff teams and he did that most of his years his first stint in cleveland.

[Overdrive]

Kidd finals once. Speaks volumes of your basketball knowledge.

[TheGoatest]

Was Lebron a 1-trick pony before "the decision"?

Was Jordan a 1-playoff win pony before Pippen?
Yes he was. 1 win out of 9 attempts, to be exact.

[Shooter]

Was Jordan a 1-trick pony before Pippen?

[8Ball]

Still better than Jordan before pippin came.:banana:

[tpols]

Kidd actually made it twice, and took the spurs to 6 when they had super peak Duncan. Lebron made it once, and was swept.

[dankok8]

You can't compare the conferences Jordan and Lebron played in...

Lebron is not a one-trick pony but not winning a ring with the original team he was on hurts his all-time ranking for many people. I mean you can make a plausible argument that he wouldn't win a single ring until now if he just stayed in Cleveland and never left. For some people "colluding" also degrades him and others like KD. Not for me but others do care about things like that.

[Kblaze8855]

So a trick=a finals run....

So zero trick ponies(Kyrie and AD) elevate a 1 trick teammate if the 1 trick wins with them?

The zeros can improve a one but the one cant improve a zero?

But then....

Know what?

Nevermind. This isnt a path worth much more typing to go down.

[leBron Bieber]

with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd?

until Wade, Kyrie and AD made him better? (elevated him to champion)?

Everyone says lebron makes guys better by bringing them titles but lebron was a 1-trick pony before teaming up, so they made him better

Is that the historical record?

He had two mvps and came off have the best record in the nba twice . And none of those players got a MVP or even outplayed lebron in any title run so just stop . How about you look up what jr smith and shumpert were known as before teaming up with lebron and you’ll know the impact . Or that one finals run was a 23 year old and not his his prime or peak . Kid was still learning to shoot and still dominated the legends of that era

These are not opinions . It’s fact

[GrayGoat]

Op is now answering the “no Pip no chip” before its even posted. Talk about unhinged lolol

[Phoenix]

Op is now answering the “no Pip no chip” before its even posted. Talk about unhinged lolol

:oldlol:

[Manny98]

Op is now answering the “no Pip no chip” before its even posted. Talk about unhinged lolol
He's insane as a psychology student I genuinely find 3ball fascinating

[8Ball]

Fascinating?

As fascinating as a lump of elephant dung. His Jordan opinions are insignificant since LeBron is a superior player.

[SouBeachTalents]

You can't compare the conferences Jordan and Lebron played in...

Lebron is not a one-trick pony but not winning a ring with the original team he was on hurts his all-time ranking for many people. I mean you can make a plausible argument that he wouldn't win a single ring until now if he just stayed in Cleveland and never left. For some people "colluding" also degrades him and others like KD. Not for me but others do care about things like that.
Lol, why do you always exaggerate? Many people? The guy is 2nd in virtually every ranking that's come out since 2016. Besides, anyone who judges a players basketball abilities by something as arbitrary and out of their control as the competency of their original teams front office has an opinion that isn't worth taking seriously

[Axe]

Fascinating?

As fascinating as a lump of elephant dung. His Jordan opinions are insignificant since LeBron is a superior player.
Lmao

It's even funny he still makes these ridiculous opinions despite admitting countless times that he does not watch today's basketball anymore.

[SATAN]

Shut the **** up Axe

[Axe]

^
Says the most ignored poster in this board. Stop saying dumb things ffs, will ya? You keep on saying many of them, including in the official coronavirus thread. Thanks.

[TheCorporation]

So a trick=a finals run....

So zero trick ponies(Kyrie and AD) elevate a 1 trick teammate if the 1 trick wins with them?

The zeros can improve a one but the one cant improve a zero?

But then....

Know what?

Nevermind. This isnt a path worth much more typing to go down.

Gottem

:hammertime:

[3ball]

So a trick=a finals run....

So zero trick ponies(Kyrie and AD) elevate a 1 trick teammate if the 1 trick wins with them?

The zeros can improve a one but the one cant improve a zero?

But then....

Know what?

Nevermind. This isnt a path worth much more typing to go down.

Yes 1-trick > 0-trick

But 1-trick still 1-trick like Iverson, Dwight, and Kidd

So now were back to the OP

[3ball]

Lol, why do you always exaggerate? Many people? The guy is 2nd in virtually every ranking that's come out since 2016. Besides, anyone who judges a players basketball abilities by something as arbitrary and out of their control as the competency of their original teams front office has an opinion that isn't worth taking seriously

But lebron stacked the deck - that's the difference - there's levels to this and lebron is at the "stacking deck" level... Blatant and calculated stacking the deck.. WWE shit

Otoh, having pippen didn't consitute stacking the deck.... That's nothing like having a big 3 in a conference that 1-star teams were routinely winning.. that was blatant in plain view

or teaming up with the playoff scoring leader (a Duncan-like player) is stacking the deck.. so AD destroys George but let's knock Kawhi for losing in 20' and ignore 2019.. aka fake media coverage

[2ball]

MJ only led in points. Seems like he was the one trick pony

[3ball]

MJ only led in points. Seems like he was the one trick pony

He's the only guy ever that always led in points (goat)

and he led pippen in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs and averaged more assists, so why do you keep saying he only led 1 category?.. Jordan also led defensively (more DPOY votes every year except 96/97)

Jordan even led in rebounds for the 97' Playoffs with Rodman (7.9 rebounds to rodman's 8.3)

[Gray GOAT]

Op is now answering the “no Pip no chip” before its even posted. Talk about unhinged lolol

:roll:

[8Ball]

He's the only guy ever that always led in points (goat)

and he led pippen in assists for 6 of 9 playoff runs and averaged more assists, so why do you keep saying he only led 1 category?.. Jordan also led defensively (more DPOY votes every year except 96/97)

Jordan even led in rebounds for the 97' Playoffs with Rodman (7.9 rebounds to rodman's 8.3)

Jordan's career is forever shackled to one man:

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/bulls/pippen_mj_1991.jpg

https://jagannathpurihkm.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/shackles-2.jpg


Actually 2 men:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81xhQxOGlNL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg

[3ball]

Jordan's career is forever shackled to one man:

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/bulls/pippen_mj_1991.jpg

https://jagannathpurihkm.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/shackles-2.jpg


Actually 2 men:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81xhQxOGlNL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg


Who was a first-time, nobody coach in 91' and who was the goat candidate?

And how many rings for Phil without MJ or his clone?

(the 2 guys that invented the footwork needed to maximize production within the triangle... and the 2 goat bailout artists the triangle requires on possessions throughout the game

[AirBonner]

Even Kobe proved he could win without Shaq. But MJ without Pippen ? No bueno.

[dankok8]

Lol, why do you always exaggerate? Many people? The guy is 2nd in virtually every ranking that's come out since 2016. Besides, anyone who judges a players basketball abilities by something as arbitrary and out of their control as the competency of their original teams front office has an opinion that isn't worth taking seriously

Exaggerate?

Believe me. When Lebron retires a lot of critics especially older generations will put an asterisk alongside his career because he "team-hopped" his way to titles. Same with KD who will never be respected by many.

By the way Kobe was ranked 2nd all time by a lot of people in 2010. Lebron even if he retired today is a surefire top 5 player ever in my eyes. Anyways when a guy retires and 10 years go by there are no more emotional stans or haters and the rankings tend to become more objective. People also forget some of the narratives that fade into the ether so maybe that will happen with Lebron. People will forget some stuff ... who knows.

[3ball]

MJ without Pippen ?





Pippen had lower BPM, PER, WS/48, PPG and efficiency than Wade, Kyrie and AD - all three led lebron in scoring for a playoff run, while pippen averaged 10-30 less than Jordan in every series

Pippen was a carried "true" 2nd option, while Wade/AD/Kyrie were elite 1st options that led the team and lebron in scoring)

[biggestnbafan]

with 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd?

until Wade, Kyrie and AD made him better? (elevated him to champion)?

Everyone says lebron makes guys better by bringing them titles but lebron was a 1-trick pony before teaming up, so they made him better

Is that the historical record?



If his one trick was being the best player in the NBA, yes.

[warriorfan]

Scottie Pippen sucks.

[Shooter]

Scottie Pippen sucks.


Jordan's career is forever shackled to one man:

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/bulls/pippen_mj_1991.jpg

https://jagannathpurihkm.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/shackles-2.jpg


Actually 2 men:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81xhQxOGlNL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg

Ouch :lol

ITS OVA

[red1]

Quatro.


4 finals MVPs. You lost. :pimp:

[red1]

So a trick=a finals run....

So zero trick ponies(Kyrie and AD) elevate a 1 trick teammate if the 1 trick wins with them?

The zeros can improve a one but the one cant improve a zero?

But then....

Know what?

Nevermind. This isnt a path worth much more typing to go down.

4 rings all-time playoff scorer = 1 trick :oldlol:

[HylianNightmare]

leneedsmorehelp

[coin24]

It’s funny how they just gloss over the fact that lebaldo left for Miami cause “dis gon be eazy”

He wanted easy rings cause he was a career loser and a joke. Then when the Cavs guaranteed the team he wanted around him he sold it as “going home”:lol

Fkn pathetic

That’s why he’s 4/10... LOSER

[3ball]

Quatro.


4 finals MVPs. You lost. :pimp:


Having pippen wasn't "stacking the deck", but colluding with 2 stars or the playoff scoring champ is

Lebron formed a big 3 super-team in a conference that 1-srar teams were routinely winning, aka stacked the deck

[coin24]

It’s why the LeTiny stans get so upset over Durant, he did the same thing only better and pushed lebaldos shit in doing so:lol

[red1]

Having pippen wasn't "stacking the deck", but colluding with 2 stars or the playoff scoring champ is

Lebron formed a big 3 super-team in a conference that 1-srar teams were routinely winning, aka stacked the deck

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[red1]

scotty maurice pippen

[8Ball]

It’s why the LeTiny stans get so upset over Durant, he did the same thing only better and pushed lebaldos shit in doing so:lol

We aren't upset over Durant.

We got AD and #4.

[3ball]

making bad rosters playoff teams and he did that most of his years his first stint in cleveland.





^^^ one of the biggest misconceptions in sports

Lebron's worst teams won 30-40 games and were 9 seeds in 04', 05', and 19'.. So he never carried low seeds in the playoffs and only had developed high seeds from 06-20'.

So while lebron's 30-40 win teams were 9 seeds and avoided the 04' Pistons or 19' Warriors, random chance put Jordan's 30-40 win teams in the 8 vs 1 matchup against the champion Celtics... again, lebron only had high seeds in the playoffs and never had to carry his really bad teams teams/low-seeds like Jordan did.

[3ball]

We aren't upset over Durant.

We got AD and #4.


How does the goat get outplayed twice by Durant? (3 times if you Durant's statistical edge in the 12' Finals)

How does he go 2/4 with Kobe/Pau 2 in Miami?

Ultimately, lebron's weakness is jumpshooting skill and ball movement

[And1AllDay]

Jordan's career is forever shackled to one man:

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/bulls/pippen_mj_1991.jpg

https://jagannathpurihkm.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/shackles-2.jpg


Actually 2 men:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81xhQxOGlNL._AC_UL600_SR600,600_.jpg

wow damaging

mike is losing top tier status fast

is he still top 5 by most?

[3ball]

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Ranks last in PER, BPM, WS/48 and peak VORP:


[...] Anthony Davis
[...] Dwayne Wade
[...] Kyrie Irving
[...] Kevin Love
[X] Scottie Pippen

[eliteballer]

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