Usa returns to globalization

[DoctorP]

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Biden-brings-back-the-establishment-15750555.php

Obama era is back?

[CelticBaller]

It never ended

[DoctorP]

Trump failed the nationalists by being a toxic twitter troll, the establishments media assault was unprecedented trump was not given an inch of good press in msm. trump continued shooting himself in the foot with missteps so now expect continued globalist military movements and we will see if Biden will indeed build back or if the 1% will continue to suppress the american middle class


Trump failed hard.

[BigKobeFan]

The invisible enemy is back

[DoctorP]

Bidens got 4 years to right the ship or the next nationalist, tuned to environmentalism, will win in a landslide.

[ZenMaster]

Trump failed the nationalists by being a toxic twitter troll, the establishments media assault was unprecedented trump was not given an inch of good press in msm. trump continued shooting himself in the foot with missteps so now expect continued globalist military movements and we will see if Biden will indeed build back or if the 1% will continue to suppress the american middle class


Trump failed hard.

I agree with this to a large extent, there were too many things he didn't follow up on. But on the other hand I'm also very impressed with what the Democrats, MSM and tech giants have managed to do over the last four years. The world changed drastically over such short time.

[LoneyROY7]

It's time to build back better.

And it starts by curbing the xenophobia that has draped this country for the last 4 years.

[ZenMaster]

It's time to build back better.

And it starts by curbing the xenophobia that has draped this country for the last 4 years.

They're so hardcore with this on 4chan, it's hilarious to see the contrast.

https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1606223329270.jpg

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[LoneyROY7]

They're so hardcore with this on 4chan, it's hilarious to see the contrast.

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Yes Zen, we know 4chan is your #1 stop for the latest conspiracy theory you love to share with us over here.

[fsvr54]

It's time to build back better.

And it starts by curbing the xenophobia that has draped this country for the last 4 years.

Strong borders are necessary for a strong country you idiot. It's not xenophobic.

Everything is"Phobic" to you sensitive twats. Facts over feelings

[ZenMaster]

Yes Zen, we know 4chan is your #1 stop for the latest conspiracy theory you love to share with us over here.

It's a different perspective, sorry you can't handle it.

[LoneyROY7]

It's a different perspective, sorry you can't handle it.

I can handle it just fine, but unfortunately that won’t make it relevant.

[LAmbruh]

Yes Zen, we know 4chan is your #1 stop for the latest conspiracy theory you love to share with us over here.

:lol

[ZenMaster]

I can handle it just fine, but unfortunately that won’t make it relevant.

Every time I post something from a different perspective than the one you like, you retort to personal attacks without ever discussing the information. You could just gloss over it and not comment at all, but obviously you have some need to.

[LoneyROY7]

Every time I post something from a different perspective than the one you like, you retort to personal attacks without ever discussing the information. You could just gloss over it and not comment at all, but obviously you have some need to.

Saying you find your conspiracy theories on 4chan is a personal attack? :oldlol:

And sorry, if you genuinely think the “New World Order” is a serious talking point, there’s not much I can tell you. This isn’t WCW vs. WWF. Step back into the real world.

[ZenMaster]

Saying you find your conspiracy theories on 4chan is a personal attack? :oldlol:

And sorry, if you genuinely think the “New World Order” is a serious talking point, there’s not much I can tell you. This isn’t WCW vs. WWF. Step back into the real world.

I never said that I think the "New World Order" is a serious talking point, what I said is that there are people who feel really strong about this on other places.
You can find 2-3 threads on the great reset on this board here as well, were it's obvious that people aren't sure what to think about what's happening, because they're seeing some quite drastic changes with their own eyes.

Your personal attack is putting anything I say into a category of a conspiracy theory that I believe in, while equating it to lies in a mocking tone.

All the people who wrote on here that it was a completely crazy conspiracy theory that Obama spied on the Trump campaign, did exactly the same as you're doing now, using a mocking tone about it all. In the end it was proven true and you should have realized you were a dumbass for your behavior, but you just went on to mock the next topic at hand, because that's what the media machine told you to.
At the same time, people here were calling Trump a Russian agent.

You're right that it's not WCW vs WWF, but Joe Biden and the establishment has managed to get you on the side of the elite billionaires and warhawks while making you think that you're the one fighting the resistance - and part of that is attacking any opinion which doesn't suit you.

[LoneyROY7]

Seriously, WTF are you talking about?

Please direct me to MY posts about Obama spying on Trump. And then direct me to MY posts about dismissing whatever it is you claimed I did.

It’s real sad to see someone get duped as hard as you have been. Like I posted in the election thread, this shit show has never been about evidence for Trump and his team. It’s been about manufacturing a conspiracy theory to animate and rally his base. And you’ve lapped it up like a kitten to warm milk.

You really hate to see it.

[ZenMaster]

Seriously, WTF are you talking about?

Please direct me to MY posts about Obama spying on Trump. And then direct me to MY posts about dismissing whatever it is you claimed I did.

It’s real sad to see someone get duped as hard as you have been. Like I posted in the election thread, this shit show has never been about evidence for Trump and his team. It’s been about manufacturing a conspiracy theory to animate and rally his base. And you’ve lapped it up like a kitten to warm milk.

You really hate to see it.

Oh OK, so Obama, Joe and Hillary DID spy on Trump before, during and after the 2016 election?

Nice conspiracy theory you have there by the way, I don't know why I should listen to you though, you have no evidence of what you claim.

[LoneyROY7]

Plead direct me to a single post I’ve made on here regarding spying on trump’s campaign. I’ll wait.

[ZenMaster]

Plead direct me to a single post I’ve made on here regarding spying on trump’s campaign. I’ll wait.


All the people who wrote on here that it was a completely crazy conspiracy theory that Obama spied on the Trump campaign, did exactly the same as you're doing now, using a mocking tone about it all. In the end it was proven true and you should have realized you were a dumbass for your behavior, but you just went on to mock the next topic at hand, because that's what the media machine told you to.

I shouldn't have said "you" for the rest, but the point still stands and your arguing next to people who spoke heavily of the Russian conspiracy theory.

You are welcome to answer the question though, did Obama and Biden spy on the incoming administration in 2016/2017 and thus undermined it and failed to engage in a peaceful transfer of power?

[ZenMaster]

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1606254512013.png

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-national-security-pick-jake-sullivan-us-chinas

[LoneyROY7]

I shouldn't have said "you" for the rest, but the point still stands and your arguing next to people who spoke heavily of the Russian conspiracy theory.

I'm not arguing next to anyone. I speak for myself.

[ZenMaster]

I'm not arguing next to anyone. I speak for myself.


You are welcome to answer the question though, did Obama and Biden spy on the incoming administration in 2016/2017 and thus undermined it and failed to engage in a peaceful transfer of power?

Crickets..

[DoctorP]

I find the 4chan image alarmist and exaggerated. The us constitution, which protects freedom of religion, is not under attack. If anything, globalism is affecting the national military agenda, economy and culture. If there is an uprising against these constitutional rights then I would be more worried but its funny that democratic socialist countries that the socialists prop up as models of ideal have tough borders and are tough on immigration.

[LoneyROY7]

Crickets..

"Trump has often said that Obama had a hand in the FBI’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI operation, called Crossfire Hurricane, targeted four men within the Trump campaign orbit, including campaign manager Paul Manafort and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

That FBI investigation itself has been the subject of investigations by the Justice Department and Congress.

Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI’s work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

Multiple independent investigations, including a series of bipartisan Senate reports, found no political influence over the FBI investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI targeted four people with greater or lesser roles in the Trump campaign, but conducted that independently of the White House."

Oops.

[ZenMaster]

I find the 4chan image alarmist and exaggerated. The us constitution, which protects freedom of religion, is not under attack. If anything, globalism is affecting the national military agenda, economy and culture. If there is an uprising against these constitutional rights then I would be more worried but its funny that democratic socialist countries that the socialists prop up as models of ideal have tough borders and are tough on immigration.

I would agree and I hope that you're right. But some big change is coming, there's no way all these leaders would be using the same slogan if they weren't unified in it, and I do hope the change is positive. I'd be more hopeful if all the major corporations weren't also in on the messaging and Obama hadn't removed the propaganda law for the MSM back in the day.

[ZenMaster]

"Trump has often said that Obama had a hand in the FBI’s investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI operation, called Crossfire Hurricane, targeted four men within the Trump campaign orbit, including campaign manager Paul Manafort and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

That FBI investigation itself has been the subject of investigations by the Justice Department and Congress.

Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI’s work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

Multiple independent investigations, including a series of bipartisan Senate reports, found no political influence over the FBI investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI targeted four people with greater or lesser roles in the Trump campaign, but conducted that independently of the White House."

Oops.

So you are saying that yes, they did spy on the Trump campaign, but that they had a right to do so?

[LoneyROY7]

So you are saying that yes, they did spy on the Trump campaign, but that they had a right to do so?

You said Obama spied on Trump. The FBI and bipartisan Senate reports refute that assessment.

[ZenMaster]

You said Obama spied on Trump. The FBI and bipartisan Senate reports refute that assessment.

No it doesn't, it says that the actions were justified.


Intelligence chiefs John Brennan and James Clapper are also included on the list of 23 named Obama-era officials who allegedly tried to reveal the identity of Flynn during the presidential transition period, as are Obama chief of staff Dennis McDonough and former US ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power.

Nine names were redacted for apparent national security purposes.

Biden’s name emerged in connection to the Flynn unmasking just a day after he denied any knowledge of the Flynn probe.

“What did you know about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn, and was there anything improper done?” “Good Morning America” host George Stephanopoulos asked him Tuesday.

“I know nothing about those moves to investigate Michael Flynn,” Biden said.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/biden-comey-clapper-among-officials-who-tried-to-unmask-flynn/

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[LoneyROY7]

"Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI’s work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

...Multiple independent investigations, including a series of bipartisan Senate reports, found no political influence over the FBI investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election."

"No evidence showed Obama, or any member of the White House, directed counterintelligence agents to illegally monitor the Trump campaign, nor did any court record show that the former president breached his authority as president during the FBI's Russia investigation."

Yes, they do.

[ZenMaster]

"Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI’s work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

Multiple independent investigations, including a series of bipartisan Senate reports, found no political influence over the FBI investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election."

Yes, they do.

Look at the list above of the people unmasking Flynn, they were all part of the Obama administration. Biden himself was the one to make the last request ffs.

[LoneyROY7]

"No evidence showed Obama, or any member of the White House, directed counterintelligence agents to illegally monitor the Trump campaign, nor did any court record show that the former president breached his authority as president during the FBI's Russia investigation."

I'm sorry that the reports don't match up with your perception.

[ZenMaster]

"No evidence showed Obama, or any member of the White House, directed counterintelligence agents to illegally monitor the Trump campaign, nor did any court record show that the former president breached his authority as president during the FBI's Russia investigation."

I'm sorry that the reports don't match up with your perception.

Exactly, they certified their own spying through a commission.

Even if they say that it was justified, because they had evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, it still means that they spied and had access to communications of the Trump campaign.

Look at the documents vs the wording of the statement you refer to - Biden, Brennan and others did the actual unmasking, not Obama.

If you think that makes no sense, why would they spy on the Trump campaign through a former General, you can read here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487210-We-always-talk-about-politicians

[LoneyROY7]

Exactly, they certified their own spying through a commission.

Even if they say that it was justified, because they had evidence that Trump colluded with Russia, it still means that they spied and had access to communications of the Trump campaign.

Look at the documents vs the wording of the statement you refer to - Biden, Brennan and others did the actual unmasking, not Obama.

If you think that makes no sense, why would they spy on the Trump campaign through a former General, you can read here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487210-We-always-talk-about-politicians

I'm going to repeat this quote one more time.

"No evidence showed Obama, or any member of the White House, directed counterintelligence agents to illegally monitor the Trump campaign."

You might want to start focusing on claims that have more substantial evidence behind them. Things like this and the election fraud you're so heavily imbued to aren't working out so well.

[ZenMaster]

I'm going to repeat this quote one more time.

"No evidence showed Obama, or any member of the White House, directed counterintelligence agents to illegally monitor the Trump campaign."

You might want to start focusing on claims that have more substantial evidence behind them. Things like this and the election fraud you're so heavily imbued to aren't working out so well.

Yes and your quote saying that they did it legally, the commission certifies the actions of spying.

Look again, these are names of people who unmasked Flynn, it was declassified a while ago. Not agents of the FBI, but actual members of the Obama administration making the request for the information(there are documented meetings as well including Obama, taking place on the same day as the unmasking requests(they shared the information):

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If you don't think those documents are real you are welcome to look it up, there's plenty of articles about it, but you probably have to use Duckduckgo and not Google to get them on the first page.. This declassified information is something that the media said was categorically false for years, and something that people with your attitude screamed "conspiracy theorist" at other people - you're still trying to do that, which is just flat out ridiculous.

[LoneyROY7]

"The FBI — not Obama — launched the surveillance effort, and only a handful of counterintelligence agents knew the full scope of the mission, but no evidence showed they gave directions on how it was done. The investigators were acting on orders from FBI leaders — not the president."

This is the last I'll post on this b/c I really don't have any interest in it, but I'm sure the conversation can be continued on 4chan.

[ZenMaster]

"The FBI — not Obama — launched the surveillance effort, and only a handful of counterintelligence agents knew the full scope of the mission, but no evidence showed they gave directions on how it was done. The investigators were acting on orders from FBI leaders — not the president."

This is the last I'll post on this b/c I really don't have any interest in it, but I'm sure the conversation can be continued on 4chan.

An amazing moment of cognitive dissonance. I've posted the documents showing the unmasking requests from people in the Obama administration, they're right there.

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[LoneyROY7]

Fine, one more post.

"Trump and his allies seized on the development and said it showed Biden and others improperly and illegally unmasked the former national security adviser's identity.

A Washington Post report on Wednesday blew up that allegation when it revealed that Flynn's name was never "masked" in the first place.

'When the FBI circulated [the report], they included Flynn's name from the beginning' because it was essential to understanding its significance, a former senior US official told The Post. 'There were therefore no requests for the unmasking of that information.'"

[Mr. Woke]

Globalization is a great thing.

Lol at the provincial hicks who are afraid of globalization!

[DoctorP]

Contemporary politics 101

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hESLPB3FiyY

[ZenMaster]

Fine, one more post.

"Trump and his allies seized on the development and said it showed Biden and others improperly and illegally unmasked the former national security adviser's identity.

A Washington Post report on Wednesday blew up that allegation when it revealed that Flynn's name was never "masked" in the first place.

'When the FBI circulated [the report], they included Flynn's name from the beginning' because it was essential to understanding its significance, a former senior US official told The Post. 'There were therefore no requests for the unmasking of that information.'"


On Wednesday, the intelligence community released a list of the people in the Obama administration who sought materials in which Flynn figured this way, though the National Security Agency said it couldn't assess whether everyone who'd requested such reports had actually seen them.

A spokesman for Biden emphasized on Wednesday that because of the way "minimization" works, there was no way for officials in the Obama era to single out Flynn or anyone else as a part of these practices. They couldn't see the names of the "U.S. Persons" beforehand.

They were working from reports about ongoing targets of surveillance — people such as Russia's then-ambassador to the United States.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/14/855820024/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-flynn-biden-and-unmasking-story

Oh they didn't know they were unmasking him, but 9 members of the Obama administration just happen to do so.

You know what they did with the information? They leaked parts of it to the press, the investigation started and Flynn couldn't be security advisor.
Guess why he's a free man to this day(with the help of that crazy lawyer lady no less), because it was all bullshit, set up to get him out of the administration.

And here's the thing, if they didn't need to unmask Flynn, it's because he was already under surveillance.

[DoctorP]

Globalization is a great thing.

Lol at the provincial hicks who are afraid of globalization!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hESLPB3FiyY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hESLPB3FiyY

[Mr. Woke]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hESLPB3FiyY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hESLPB3FiyY

Shove your anti globalization propaganda up your ******.

[DoctorP]

Shove your anti globalization propaganda up your ******.

Haha such intelligent discourse.

Im rooting fir globalism but who will be the heads of state?

Science shows the chaos it is reaping.

[Jasper]

I feel over the years how our government has fought each other and threw us citizens to the curb , or making us look like pathetic robotic followers with no brains ; instead of governing us to help us health wise, career wise and family wise has made a mess out of country.
Biden might be the last chance our government can act bipartisan and get us back to being 'US' as in UNITED and become a legit player on the world stage instead of becoming enemies.

[ZenMaster]

I feel over the years how our government has fought each other and threw us citizens to the curb , or making us look like pathetic robotic followers with no brains ; instead of governing us to help us health wise, career wise and family wise has made a mess out of country.
Biden might be the last chance our government can act bipartisan and get us back to being 'US' as in UNITED and become a legit player on the world stage instead of becoming enemies.

Amazing post.


I feel over the years how our government has fought each other and threw us citizens to the curb , or making us look like pathetic robotic followers with no brains ; instead of governing us to help us health wise, career wise and family wise has made a mess out of country.

100% agree, but not only that, they've done everything they can to get us fighting as well, literally saying things to get you to feel a certain way.
Didn't Trump just have the largest Latino vote ever? Here's the response:

https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1331629436622540805

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Shameless. but they're fighting a huge information war so I can understand why he's doing it. They'll say these things and then the get people on the ground to show JUST how angry the left is. Not organic, groups like Antifa and BLM that you see in the US are created, and the members paid.
How do you think Antifa protesters went out in Portland for 140 days straight? How do they eat? How do they get bailed out of prison? How do they get money for weapons and safety gear?
It's not really real and people all over the country aren't really THAT angry, it's a show that wouldn't be happening if there weren't cameras around and if these people weren't organized.


Biden might be the last chance our government can act bipartisan and get us back to being 'US' as in UNITED and become a legit player on the world stage instead of becoming enemies.

This is where you lose me. You talk as if Biden has been a beacon of light throughout the years and years of partisan politics, which I strongly disagree with.
He's been part of politics for 47 years, one of the figureheads of the establishment and him and his family have made hundreds of millions of dollars on kickback deals - which is why he was now in the position to run for President.

I'm sorry, I really am, because you seem like a nice enough guy, but I think that for your description "making us look like pathetic robotic followers with no brains", you need to look in the mirror.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hold it against anyone for being on the left and I'm neutral myself, but you've been played a great trick made possible by new age media technology. I know this because I work with this technology.

Like the oh so bad tariffs, which you've heard about both in the media, maybe on your Facebook and for sure on here are oh so bad, well now they've become good tariffs:


Several trade experts have said that President-elect Joe Biden will likely favor working with allies over slapping punitive tariffs to settle international disputes. But some experts have said Biden may not remove tariffs that Trump has imposed.

“Whether you love the tariffs or hate the tariffs, they have created leverage for United States. (The) United States has raised important questions about the multilateral system, and I hope that this (Biden) administration would use that leverage to get outcomes,” Willems told CNBC’s “Street Signs Asia” on Wednesday.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/25/trump-tariffs-could-give-biden-leverage-over-china-ex-us-trade-official.html

[falc39]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't hold it against anyone for being on the left and I'm neutral myself, but you've been played a great trick made possible by new age media technology. I know this because I work with this technology.

Like the oh so bad tariffs, which you've heard about both in the media, maybe on your Facebook and for sure on here are oh so bad, well now they've become good tariffs:



https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/25/trump-tariffs-could-give-biden-leverage-over-china-ex-us-trade-official.html

A very dumb mistake to continue the trade war. Doesn’t matter who the president is. If Biden were to continue what Trump did, we will suffer the same consequences that followed Trump’s attempt.

“Trade wars are easy to win”
“We hold all the cards”

It’s an embarrassment people were tricked into believing that.

[Mr. Woke]

Haha such intelligent discourse.

Im rooting fir globalism but who will be the heads of state?

Science shows the chaos it is reaping.

You aren't gonna fool me with your anti-globalization propaganda.

Stay in your fookin village, you provincial rube.

[DoctorP]

To expand, without global regulation to government this globalism, how will it be regulated?

Anyways, maybe im being alarmist but evidence is evidence. Even in the usa, states are governed by the fed. Where's this system of checks and balances for the " global entity" and is it legit?

Furthermore, poli-science shows that the countries most promoting globalization are having the most problems. Growing pains? Maybe.

Free trade has always been shown to be the best thing for everyone, i get that.

[ZenMaster]

It's funny, back in the day Willmar was known as the town in Minnesota which had Mexicans. It was true as well, you hardly ever saw anyone Latino anywhere in the rural area, but if you went to the mall in Willmar it was distinctively different. Putting that aside, it's interesting now seeing that little town described as a modern American melting pot, never in my life would I have imagined Willmar getting talked about in the NY times.

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1606321965501.png

[DoctorP]

It's funny, back in the day Willmar was known as the town in Minnesota which had Mexicans. It was true as well, you hardly ever saw anyone Latino anywhere in the rural area, but if you went to the mall in Willmar it was distinctively different. Putting that aside, it's interesting now seeing that little town described as a modern American melting pot, never in my life would I have imagined Willmar getting talked about in the NY times.

https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1606321965501.png


Yes this is happening worldwide. It is what it is. Tribalism is trending and many immigrants don't want to be associated as American or British, etc.

Plus they are hating.

Anywhoo, thats one dynamic but the main one that has been affecting the global economy is the repression of the middle class and the rise of the 1 percent phenomenon. This is the main issue at hand.

[DoctorP]

The one percent phenomenon and repression of the middle class is what mainly gave rise to Bernie and Trump.

[ZenMaster]

Yes this is happening worldwide. It is what it is. Tribalism is trending and many immigrants don't want to be associated as American or British, etc.

Plus they are hating.

Anywhoo, thats one dynamic but the main one that has been affecting the global economy is the repression of the middle class and the rise of the 1 percent phenomenon. This is the main issue at hand.B]

Agreed, I just noticed that because I haven't been to Willmar in ages, but the 1% developed through heavy globalism and people think that's hot shit.

[DoctorP]

Agreed, I just noticed that because I haven't been to Willmar in ages, but the 1% developed through heavy globalism and people think that's hot shit.

There's fears of civil wars, revolution and uprisings which is whatever as long as no one ****s with me I am fine with it.