Top 25 Point Guards of All-Time Voting Part 2: Players 6-10

[L.Kizzle]

Select and rank the next five (players 6 through 10) of the greatest POINT GUARDS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your choices or debate why said player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, the top five will be selected and another five will be added to the pool of players.


Players to Choose From:
Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
Bob Cousy
Dave Bing
Dennis Johnson
Derrick Rose
Gary Payton
Jason Kidd
John Stockton
Kevin Johnson
Lenny Wilkens
Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
Russell Westbrook
Steve Nash
Tim Hardaway
Walt 'Clyde' Frazier


Top 25 Point Guards: 1-5
1 Magic Johnson
2 Stephen Curry
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Isiah Thomas
5 Chris Paul


Voting Results
Number of Voters - 28
Number of Players Receiving Votes - 12


'Magic' Johnson (28) 1st Place = 280 Points
Stephen Curry (11) 2nd Place / (12) 3rd Place / (4) 4th Place = 149 Points
Oscar Robertson (15) 2nd Place / (5) 3rd Place / (3) 4th Place = 139 Points
Isiah Thomas (2) 2nd Place / (5) 3rd Place / (9) 4th Place / (5) 5th Place = 71 Points
Chris Paul (2) 3rd Place / (7) 4th Place / (5) 5th Place = 36 Points
John Stockton (3) 3rd Place / (1) 4th Place / (4) 5th Place = 22 Points
Steve Nash (2) 4th Place / (10) 5th Place = 16 Points
Jason Kidd (1) 3rd Place / (2) 5th Place = 7 Points
Walt 'Clyde' Frazier (1) 4th Place = 3 Points
Russell Westbrook (1) 4th Place = 3 Points
Bob Cousy (1) 5th Place = 1 Point
Gary Payton (1) 5th Place = 1 Point


Voting Criteria
Five Seasons or more played in the NBA
1st = 10 Pts
2nd = 7 Pts
3rd = 5 Pts
4th = 3 Pts
5th = 1 Pt

Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-1-Players-1-5 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487614-Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-1-Players-1-5)

[SouBeachTalents]

6. Nash
7. Kidd
8. Payton
9. Stockton
10. Frazier

[Shooter]

6. Nash
7. Kidd
8. Westbrook
9. Stockton
10. Payton

[NBAGOAT]

6. Nash
7. Stockton
8. Kidd
9. Frazier
10. Payton

[RRR3]

Isiah Thomas is the most overrated player of all time I swear.


Nash
Frazier
Stockton
Payton
Kidd

[L.Kizzle]

Isiah Thomas is the most overrated player of all time I swear.


Nash
Frazier
Stockton
Payton
Kidd
How?

1987 East Conference Finals
1988 NBA Finals
1989 NBA Finals (Champs)
1990 NBA Finals (2x Champs)
1991 East Conference Finals

[MadDog]

How?

1987 East Conference Finals
1988 NBA Finals
1989 NBA Finals (Champs)
1990 NBA Finals (2x Champs)
1991 East Conference Finals

Yup. Prime numbers in the postseason that also rivaled Paul's. Same with advanced data like Value Over Replacement. Claiming that Isiah is the "most overrated ever" would be an indictment on Paul actually. Who by most measures would be considered MORE overrated for racking up numbers yet never making a finals. Isiah Thomas led his teams past Jordan's Bulls, Bird's Celtics and Magic's Lakers. A gauntlet if there ever was one.

If I had a vote give me the following in order;
GP
Nash
Stockton
Kidd
Frazier

[dankok8]

6. Nash
7. Stockton
8. Cousy
9. Frazier
10. Kidd

[RRR3]

How?

1987 East Conference Finals
1988 NBA Finals
1989 NBA Finals (Champs)
1990 NBA Finals (2x Champs)
1991 East Conference Finals
Horseshit efficiency on mediocre volume considering pace. Dude was a master brick artist.

[L.Kizzle]

Horseshit efficiency on mediocre volume considering pace. Dude was a master brick artist.
If he led his teams to titles, what does that have to do with anything?
If he wasn't winning (like the guys yall are putting ahead of him) the argue would hold weight.
Artist Gilmore was one of the most efficient big men ever (not just for his era) but rarely gets put in any centers top 15 discussions. Why is that? If he was doing more winning than losing with the same exact stats. Top 5 center.

Imagine if T-Mac (with the same exact stats) was going deep into the playoffs every season instead of 1st round exits. Now he's a top 5 SG all- time.

[72-10]

no way Chris Paul above Stockton

unheralded

Curry above Oscar

laughable

if theis were skill i'd think different

John "Stock" Stockton
Bob Cousy
Walt "Clyde" Frazier
Gary "GP" Payton
Jason Kidd

ya'll anti-white racists and bigots:cletus:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Nash
Stockton
Frazier
Kidd
Westbrook

[Kiddlovesnets]

Why is Curry ahead of big o, this is nonsense. Big o is the 11th greatest player of all time ahead of Kobe, while Curry is borderline top 20 at most and nowhere close to Kobe even. You apparently didn’t consider the fact that some posters voted without realizing big O was a PG so they just snubbed him for the voting.
:facepalm

[MadDog]

If he led his teams to titles, what does that have to do with anything?
If he wasn't winning (like the guys yall are putting ahead of him) the argue would hold weight.
Artist Gilmore was one of the most efficient big men ever (not just for his era) but rarely gets put in any centers top 15 discussions. Why is that? If he was doing more winning than losing with the same exact stats. Top 5 center.

Imagine if T-Mac (with the same exact stats) was going deep into the playoffs every season instead of 1st round exits. Now he's a top 5 SG all- time.

From '85-90, Prime Isiah shot 45% in the playoffs. Not inefficient at all. The poster you are conversing with is clueless.

[L.Kizzle]

Why is Curry ahead of big o, this is nonsense. Big o is the 11th greatest player of all time ahead of Kobe, while Curry is borderline top 20 at most. You apparently didn’t consider the fact that some posters voted without realizing big O was a PG so they just snubbed him for the voting.
:facepalm
Oscar actually got more 2nd place votes than Curry.
So the majority that voted did have Oscar over Stephen for the most part. But Steph had more 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes is how he ended up 2nd.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Oscar actually got more 2nd place votes than Curry.
So the majority that voted did have Oscar over Stephen for the most part. But Steph had more 3rd, 4th and 5th place votes is how he ended up 2nd.

That further demonstrated my point, some posters failed to realize that big O was a PG, so he was snubbed in a lot of votes. I think you should consider this in the ranking.

[L.Kizzle]

That further demonstrated my point, some posters failed to realize that big O was a PG, so he was snubbed in a lot of votes. I think you should consider this in the ranking.
He didn’t get snubbed.
28 voters, Curry got 27 votes and Oscar 23.

[TheCorporation]

Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Stockton
Payton

[72-10]

Robertson
26,710 points (25.7 ppg), 7,804 rebounds (7.5 rpg), 9,887 assists (9.5 apg), 48.5% from the field, 83.8% from the free line
Curry
16,419 points (23.5 ppg), 3,158 rebounds (4.5 rpg), 4,512 assists (6.3 apg), 47.6% from the field, 90.6% from the free line

Robertson is UNDENIABLY greater

Stockton
19,711 points (13.1 ppg), 4,051 rebounds (2.7 rpg), 15,806 assists (10.5 apg), 51.5% from the field, 82.6% from the free line
Chris Paul
18,829 points (18.5 ppg), 4,611 rebounds (4.5 rpg), 9,563 assists (9.3 apg), 47.1% from the field, 87.0% from the free line

looks like Stockton is CLEARLY greater

Now, you can get as loud and retarded as you like about Curry's ability to shoot the ball in a cheating offensive system, and you can pigheadedly refuse to adhere to statistical evidence as much as you like, but Curry ain't as great as Robertson. Same goes for Stockton.

Today's players are better at shooting free throws and scoring the ball while unguarded because they practice more, in fact some peopLe think they practice too much...

[72-10]

Westbrook
Nash
Kidd
Stockton
Payton

great, another tard

it figures you'd rail for a high-motor, ball-chucking, brickfest since you rail for LeBron in every thread on this forum

[tanibanana]

I like the result of the 1st part (1-5)..

6. Cousy
7. Frazier
8. Nash
9. Stockton
10. Westbrook

[L.Kizzle]

I'm not sure how people feel about Stockton over the years.

[RRR3]

From '85-90, Prime Isiah shot 45% in the playoffs. Not inefficient at all. The poster you are conversing with is clueless.
Imagine still using FG% in 2020. Poooooor coach.

[Phoenix]

I'm not sure how people feel about Stockton over the years.

His lack of scoring ability compared to some of the other great PG is starting to hurt him I think. Dude is the career leader in assists and steals but some have him as low as 10th.

[L.Kizzle]

His lack of scoring ability compared to some of the other great PG is starting to hurt him I think. Dude is the career leader in assists and steals but some have him as low as 10th.

How do you explain Kidd over him? Both low scorers.

[MadDog]

Imagine still using FG% in 2020.

Threes weren't prevalent in the 80s, Einstein. Why use TS when it clearly favors them?


Poooooor coach.

Don't know who "coach" is, but another swing and a miss here.

[Phoenix]

How do you explain Kidd over him? Both low scorers.

Recency bias perhaps?

[tanibanana]

I'm not sure how people feel about Stockton over the years.

All great players will sooner or later gets bumped down in ranking as the history of the game progress. That’s how it works. During the mid 80s, Dr. J was considered the GOAT Small Forward, then gets bumped down by Bird, and later on by LeBron. That’s what is happening to Stockton, especially he does not have a MVP, a Ring not even a MVP runner up to brag.
He still a top-10 PG, he should be for now, anywhere 6th~9th. But 10-15 seasons more, he’ll get bumped down the ranks like 10th to 12th as naturally it will, time can only tell. Because only the very top of the tiers have less movement over many years.

[L.Kizzle]

All great players will sooner or later gets bumped down in ranking as the history of the game progress. That’s how it works. During the mid 80s, Dr. J was considered the GOAT Small Forward, then gets bumped down by Bird, and later on by LeBron. That’s what is happening to Stockton, especially he does not have a MVP, a Ring not even a MVP runner up to brag.
He still a top-10 PG, he should be for now, anywhere 6th~9th. But 10-15 seasons more, he’ll get bumped down the ranks like 10th to 12th as naturally it will, time can only tell. Because only the very top of the tiers have less movement over many years.

What I mean is players he was usually in front of like Kidd, GP and Nash he's now behind. He's always been in front of those players.

[And1AllDay]

great, another tard

it figures you'd rail for a high-motor, ball-chucking, brickfest since you rail for LeBron in every thread on this forum

bruh mike is more chuckbrook then bran wtF :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

Kidd
Westbrook
Nash
Stockton
Payton

[tanibanana]

What I mean is players he was usually in front of like Kidd, GP and Nash he's now behind. He's always been in front of those players.

Well everyone has their biases.. you could account that.
Stockton is without a doubt should be ahead of Kidd and Payton.

Of all the top tiers PG we are listing, Stockton is the only player who was never the face or ace player of the team, I hold him back for that.

Perhaps same reason why Stockton gets underrated over the years.

[Phoenix]

Stockton
Kidd
Nash
Payton
Frazier