If Lebron wins a 5th chip this year...

[StrongLurk]

Wow...just wow. What are we gonna do ISH (celebrate of course)? The ascension of Lebron has felt like fate, like an inevitability. While their may be different opinions regarding the abilities of Lebron and MJ...the biggest question was always "can Lebron catch MJ in rings?". That itself has definitely been the least set in stone.

Now, I'm not a big "rangz" person myself, but I can't deny the amount of straight TENSION MJ stans must be feeling (Kobe stans too). If Lebron gets to 5...wow, the NBA totem pole of all time greats will TRULY be shaken and the Lebron vs MJ debate will get even fiercer, which is hard to imagine.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lol, you really think after 4 rings another one is gonna make any difference to the haters? Wishful thinking

2016 was the litmus test for me, anyone who wasn't at all swayed after that Finals was never going to change their mind about LeBron no matter what he did. So it's no surprise that another superstar playoff run & FMVP at 35 did little to change the minds of his doubters

[Tobio-Star]

Lol, you really think after 4 rings another one is gonna make any difference to the haters? Wishful thinking

2016 was the litmus test for me, anyone who wasn't at all swayed after that Finals was never going to change their mind about LeBron no matter what he did. So it's no surprise that another superstar playoff run & FMVP at 35 did little to change the minds of his doubters

Yeah but this is not about trolling here. Deep inside, LeHaters know that if LeBron gets to 5 they lose every bit of credibility they could have had. They gonna keep spamming "2011, 5-6!!!" but they know that nobody will really care at this point

[GrayGoat]

Op has doubted LeBron all year. If he did win (again) op would still be making shitty threads

[MadDog]

"If, supposedly, maybe, assuming." Come on LeBron fans :oldlol: If the Nets are healthy they are going to be great. If Klay weren't hurt the Warriors might be the West's favorites. If Jordan never retired during his prime he likely has 7 championships. And the list goes on. LeBron's GOAT aspirations have all but gone, so winning with a teammate better than he is wont matter much. Not in the way you think it will.

[GrayGoat]

"If, supposedly, maybe, assuming." Come on LeBron fans :oldlol: If the Nets are healthy they are going to be great. If Klay weren't hurt the Warriors might be the West's favorites. If Jordan never retired during his prime he likely has 7 championships. LeBron's GOAT aspirations have all but gone, so winning with a teammate better than he is wont matter much. Not in the way you think it will.

You literally created this account because LeBron won. Now tell me again how much it matters?

[MadDog]

You literally created this account because LeBron won. Now tell me again how much it matters?

Then you don't know what "literally" means. :confusedshrug: Then again this is probably one of the DOZEN of accounts you give LeBron fellatio.

[GrayGoat]

Then you don't know what "literally" means. :confusedshrug: Then again this is probably one of the DOZEN of accounts you give LeBron fellatio.

You are exposed my friend.

[SATAN]

You literally created this account because LeBron won. Now tell me again how much it matters?

:oldlol:

It's pathetic:facepalm

[SATAN]

"[I]If Jordan never retired during his prime he likely gets his ass kicked by Hakeem and his Rockets.

We know

[Kiddlovesnets]

If Lebron wins his 5th ring, then he surpassed Kareem and Magic and become consensus #2 all time.

[GrayGoat]

If Lebron wins his 5th ring, then he surpassed Kareem and Magic and become consensus #2 all time.

LeBron has mor fmvp than both. LeBron won as the best player

[8Ball]

Wow...just wow. What are we gonna do ISH (celebrate of course)? The ascension of Lebron has felt like fate, like an inevitability. While their may be different opinions regarding the abilities of Lebron and MJ...the biggest question was always "can Lebron catch MJ in rings?". That itself has definitely been the least set in stone.

Now, I'm not a big "rangz" person myself, but I can't deny the amount of straight TENSION MJ stans must be feeling (Kobe stans too). If Lebron gets to 5...wow, the NBA totem pole of all time greats will TRULY be shaken and the Lebron vs MJ debate will get even fiercer, which is hard to imagine.

I mean some people still think the Earth is flat. High IQ humans know LeBron is the GOAT and low IQ humans think otherwise.

LeBron is a superior basketball specimen than all others.

[8Ball]

Yeah but this is not about trolling here. Deep inside, LeHaters know that if LeBron gets to 5 they lose every bit of credibility they could have had. They gonna keep spamming "2011, 5-6!!!" but they know that nobody will really care at this point

Yeah.

LeBron "only" made 11 finals and won 5. Lol, like telling someone they "only" have 100B net worth.

[light]

I was just thinking about this last night...

By this time next year LeBron could have 5 rings and going for 6 on a three peat bid.

Just like that he could go from 3 to 6 in ring count, and if Giannis joins the Lakers his final total could be something like 8 or 9.

[ImKobe]

If he wins his 5th and is a major contributor, we might have to re-open the Kobe vs. Lebron debates, but we're far removed from that right now.

[3ball]

Lol, you really think after 4 rings another one is gonna make any difference to the haters? Wishful thinking

2016 was the litmus test for me, anyone who wasn't at all swayed after that Finals was never going to change their mind about LeBron no matter what he did. So it's no surprise that another superstar playoff run & FMVP at 35 did little to change the minds of his doubters

Do you have any idea how big Curry was in the Warriors' 73-win offense?. His stats were peak Jordan level and he was the only unanimous MVP ever.

Accordingly, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying their "jordan" and the league MVP, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games given kyrie's performance.. it only went 7 games because lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

If 2nd option Kevin Johnson outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? Or if Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would Miller deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?..

Guys like Dirk, Baron Davis or Jordan overcame bigger odds and talent deficits in a big series, and without help like suspensions, injury.

And the "led 5 categories" claim is a cute footnote and statistical anomaly, as he shared every category with a teammate, including the primary category (scoring).. Otoh, Jordan carried the scoring load in 6 of 6 Finals and every playoff series of his career (1-man scoring distribution)..

Jordan is the only guy that never played with an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie - these guys outscored lebron/magic in a playoff run and are the "jordan's" that they need as "pippen's"

[Manny98]

Pippen > Kyrie and it's not even close

Also Rodman & Grant > Love when you take into account the fact that Love is a complete non factor on the defensive end and averaged 6ppg in the 2016 finals

[light]

Pippen > Kyrie and it's not even close

Also Rodman & Grant > Love when you take into account the fact that Love is a complete non factor on the defensive end and averaged 6ppg in the 2016 finals

Nobody disagrees with you on those points.

Winning a title with defensive sieves in Kyrie and Love is a minor miracle. Jordan could never do that.

[3ball]

Also Rodman & Grant > Love when you take into account the fact that Love is a complete non factor on the defensive end and averaged 6ppg in the 2016 finals




Love is HOF and Grant isn't remotely close.. and Rodman was old like 10' Shaq so I don't know why anyone talks about him.. 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and he wasn't the starter in 98'





Pippen > Kyrie and it's not even close





CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


CAREER FINALS

Kyrie...... 28/4/4 on 47%
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42%



Jordan is the only guy that didn't have an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie, who led Lebron/Magic in scoring for entire playoff runs..

Therefore, lebron/magic are "pippen's" that need a "jordan", (elite 1st option sidekick that can lead in scoring).

[3ball]

Do you know how big Curry was in the Warriors' 73-win offense?. His stats were peak Jordan level and he was the only unanimous MVP ever.

Accordingly, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying their "jordan" and the league MVP, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games given kyrie's performance.. it only went 7 games because lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

If a 2nd option like Kevin Johnson outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? Or if Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would Miller deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?..

Guys like Dirk, Baron Davis or Jordan overcame bigger odds and talent deficits in a big series, and without help like suspensions, injury.

And the "led 5 categories" claim is a cute footnote and statistical anomaly, as he shared every category with a teammate, including the primary category (scoring).. Otoh, Jordan carried the scoring load in 6 of 6 Finals and every playoff series of his career (1-man scoring distribution)..

Jordan is the only guy that never played with an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie - these guys outscored lebron/magic in a playoff run and are the "jordan's" that they need as "pippen's"


SoBeachTalents be RUNNIIN.... :facepalm:... :kobe:

[Manny98]

Love is HOF and Grant isn't remotely close.. and Rodman was old like 10' Shaq so I don't know why anyone talks about him.. 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and he wasn't the starter in 98'





CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


CAREER FINALS

Kyrie...... 28/4/4 on 47%
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42%



Jordan is the only guy that didn't have an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie, who led Lebron/Magic in scoring for entire playoff runs..

Therefore, lebron/magic are "pippen's" that need a "jordan", (elite 1st option sidekick that can lead in scoring).

Stats don't tell everything

Like Pippen being 100000x the defender Kyrie is and probably a better playmaker as well

[Axe]

Do you have any idea how big Curry was in the Warriors' 73-win offense?. His stats were peak Jordan level and he was the only unanimous MVP ever.

Accordingly, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying their "jordan" and the league MVP, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games given kyrie's performance.. it only went 7 games because lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

If 2nd option Kevin Johnson outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? Or if Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would Miller deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?..

Guys like Dirk, Baron Davis or Jordan overcame bigger odds and talent deficits in a big series, and without help like suspensions, injury.

And the "led 5 categories" claim is a cute footnote and statistical anomaly, as he shared every category with a teammate, including the primary category (scoring).. Otoh, Jordan carried the scoring load in 6 of 6 Finals and every playoff series of his career (1-man scoring distribution)..

Jordan is the only guy that never played with an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie - these guys outscored lebron/magic in a playoff run and are the "jordan's" that they need as "pippen's"
Meltdown

[3ball]

Stats don't tell everything

Like Pippen being 100000x the defender Kyrie is and probably a better playmaker as well

The presence of a juggernaut scorer like kyrie allows a GM to fill out the remaining roster with cheaper defenders, which might enable a better team defense overall

That's why Kyrie was the best player on a #1 defense (18' Celtics)

So defense is more of a team effort and more replaceable, which is why kyrie's statistical advantage over pippen should help hold the same weight as Curry's (who was also part of a #1 defense)

[StrongLurk]

If he wins his 5th and is a major contributor, we might have to re-open the Kobe vs. Lebron debates, but we're far removed from that right now.

:roll:

[3ball]

Meltdown


Finals

Jordan... 34/6/6 on 50% (better than 06' Wade for 13 years)
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42% (Paul George)

[StrongLurk]

Do you have any idea how big Curry was in the Warriors' 73-win offense?. His stats were peak Jordan level and he was the only unanimous MVP ever.

Accordingly, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying their "jordan" and the league MVP, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games given kyrie's performance.. it only went 7 games because lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

If 2nd option Kevin Johnson outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? Or if Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would Miller deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?..

Guys like Dirk, Baron Davis or Jordan overcame bigger odds and talent deficits in a big series, and without help like suspensions, injury.

And the "led 5 categories" claim is a cute footnote and statistical anomaly, as he shared every category with a teammate, including the primary category (scoring).. Otoh, Jordan carried the scoring load in 6 of 6 Finals and every playoff series of his career (1-man scoring distribution)..

Jordan is the only guy that never played with an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie - these guys outscored lebron/magic in a playoff run and are the "jordan's" that they need as "pippen's"

Ten...sion

For me, if Lebron repeats 2020 for the 21 and 22 seasons...and gets 6 rings/6fmvps? Then he'd maybe be the GOAT.

[Axe]

Finals

Jordan... 34/6/6 on 50% (better than 06' Wade for 13 years)
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42% (Paul George)
Yet pip was somehow an impactful player..

[RRR3]

:roll:
The playoffs were tough for that poster.

[3ball]

Yet pip was somehow an impactful player..

Jordan won in spite of those stats.. if pippen was doing that in 88' or 89', the bulls would've won those years too..

but pippen was literally a 10 ppg player in 89', so the bulls fell barely short.. they would've won the 00's East however, when many 1-star teams won, including 19' and 20'.. but not the 80's East, which required a super-team with many HOF's

[Manny98]

The presence of a juggernaut scorer like kyrie allows a GM to fill out the remaining roster with cheaper defenders, which might enable a better team defense overall

That's why Kyrie was the best player on a #1 defense (18' Celtics)

So defense is more of a team effort and more replaceable, which is why kyrie's statistical advantage over pippen should help hold the same weight as Curry's (who was also part of a #1 defense)

Defense and offense are both equally as important when evaluating players

You place way too much value on elite scoring and completely ignore playmaking and defense which are both equally as important

[3ball]

Defense and offense are both equally important.

You place way too much value on elite scoring and completely ignore playmaking and defense which are both equally as important

kyrie's statistical advantage over pippen should help hold the same weight as Curry's (who was also part of a #1 defense)

[Axe]

Jordan won in spite of those stats.. if pippen was doing that in 88' or 89', the bulls would've won those years too..

but pippen was literally a 10 ppg player in 89', so the bulls fell barely short.. they would've won the 00's East however, when many 1-star teams won, including 19' and 20'.. but not the 80's East, which required a super-team with many HOF's
Meh who cares? :confusedshrug:

He still went 1-9 without him anyway and that's a fact.

[coin24]

4/10 = loser

[3ball]

Meh who cares? :confusedshrug:

He still went 1-9 without him anyway and that's a fact.

What's better - 1-9 with an 8 seed or 1-9 with 2 seed?

Lebron's 9 seeds in 04/05/19 would've been swept every year by the 04' Pistons or 19 Warriors... Jordan's 30-win teams simply got lucky to sneak in as 8 seeds, thereby being forced to face long odds with horrible teams

[2ball]

4/10 = loser

Come on. 2nd most fmvp ever. I know you are joking but I bet Barkley or Malone would kill for just one ring let alone 4

[3ball]

Come on. 2nd most fmvp ever. I know you are joking but I bet Barkley or Malone would kill for just one ring let alone 4

He was a 1-trick pony before "the decision" with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd and Dwight

So he needed elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him to win.. he completely distorted his resume by always team-hopping to get them, and is therefore given a default "dr. j" position in my rankings

[coin24]

Come on. 2nd most fmvp ever. I know you are joking but I bet Barkley or Malone would kill for just one ring let alone 4

Stacked the deck and team hopped and still lost more than he won:lol

Pa the tic

[2ball]

He was a 1-trick pony before "the decision" with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd and Dwight

So he needed elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him to win.. he completely distorted his resume by always team-hopping to get them, and is therefore given a default "dr. j" position in my rankings
Copy paste. No all stars in 2016

[3ball]

Copy paste. No all stars in 2016

No all-stars in 91' and lebron missed playoff with all-star in 05...

He also lost with 2 all-star in 17' and 14'

[StrongLurk]

3ball melting down hard in multiples threads tonight...what's new?

[Axe]

What's better - 1-9 with an 8 seed or 1-9 with 2 seed?

Lebron's 9 seeds in 04/05/19 would've been swept every year by the 04' Pistons or 19 Warriors... Jordan's 30-win teams simply got lucky to sneak in as 8 seeds, thereby being forced to face long odds with horrible teams
So what makes you think that pippen was a horrible or inferior player?

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you have any idea how big Curry was in the Warriors' 73-win offense?. His stats were peak Jordan level and he was the only unanimous MVP ever.

Accordingly, it's impossible to lose when your sidekick is destroying their "jordan" and the league MVP, so lebron should get knocked for needing 7 games given kyrie's performance.. it only went 7 games because lebron wet the bed thru 4 (24 and 6 TO's).

If 2nd option Kevin Johnson outplayed MJ in 93', would Barkley deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? Or if Smits outplayed Shaq in 00', would Miller deserve credit for a goat accomplishment? So why does lebron get credit?..

Guys like Dirk, Baron Davis or Jordan overcame bigger odds and talent deficits in a big series, and without help like suspensions, injury.

And the "led 5 categories" claim is a cute footnote and statistical anomaly, as he shared every category with a teammate, including the primary category (scoring).. Otoh, Jordan carried the scoring load in 6 of 6 Finals and every playoff series of his career (1-man scoring distribution)..

Jordan is the only guy that never played with an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie - these guys outscored lebron/magic in a playoff run and are the "jordan's" that they need as "pippen's"

Love is HOF and Grant isn't remotely close.. and Rodman was old like 10' Shaq so I don't know why anyone talks about him.. 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and he wasn't the starter in 98'





CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.5.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


CAREER FINALS

Kyrie...... 28/4/4 on 47%
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42%



Jordan is the only guy that didn't have an elite 1st option sidekick like Kareem, AD, Wade or Kyrie, who led Lebron/Magic in scoring for entire playoff runs..

Therefore, lebron/magic are "pippen's" that need a "jordan", (elite 1st option sidekick that can lead in scoring).

The presence of a juggernaut scorer like kyrie allows a GM to fill out the remaining roster with cheaper defenders, which might enable a better team defense overall

That's why Kyrie was the best player on a #1 defense (18' Celtics)

So defense is more of a team effort and more replaceable, which is why kyrie's statistical advantage over pippen should help hold the same weight as Curry's (who was also part of a #1 defense)

Jordan won in spite of those stats.. if pippen was doing that in 88' or 89', the bulls would've won those years too..

but pippen was literally a 10 ppg player in 89', so the bulls fell barely short.. they would've won the 00's East however, when many 1-star teams won, including 19' and 20'.. but not the 80's East, which required a super-team with many HOF's

What's better - 1-9 with an 8 seed or 1-9 with 2 seed?

Lebron's 9 seeds in 04/05/19 would've been swept every year by the 04' Pistons or 19 Warriors... Jordan's 30-win teams simply got lucky to sneak in as 8 seeds, thereby being forced to face long odds with horrible teams

He was a 1-trick pony before "the decision" with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Kidd and Dwight

So he needed elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him to win.. he completely distorted his resume by always team-hopping to get them, and is therefore given a default "dr. j" position in my rankings

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season&p=14189625&viewfull=1#post14189625

[Baller789]

If he wins next year, he'll be 5/11 for a win % of 45%.


Still yuck.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lol, you really think after 4 rings another one is gonna make any difference to the haters? Wishful thinking

2016 was the litmus test for me, anyone who wasn't at all swayed after that Finals was never going to change their mind about LeBron no matter what he did. So it's no surprise that another superstar playoff run & FMVP at 35 did little to change the minds of his doubters


Make no mistake, any additional titles will continue to eat away at their soul further.

[Bronbron23]

5 will tie mj imo. I give bron extra credit for 16.

[dankok8]

Let me make a small distinction and then tell you all how casual fans look at this debate...

Being better and greater are too different things. I don't think Lebron can ever be better than Jordan because he wasn't. Current Lebron is not at his peak anymore and since peak Lebron wasn't better than peak Jordan that ship has sailed. To be honest though most people don't care about who the better basketball player is and this discussion is always obscured when eras are so different.

However greater meaning more accomplished and higher on the GOAT list? Sure he can do it but he needs to surpass MJ in titles. 5 will bring him closer, 6 will make it a tie and with 7 Lebron becomes the favorite for GOAT. Sounds overly simple but it is that simple. If you lead your team to more titles it will always break the tie in any discussions if the level of play is similar. And with Lebron's longevity it's beginning to cancel out if it hasn't already cancelled out Jordan's better prime/peak. And to be fair most people don't even analyze that much by looking at who's better than who in a particular year etc. Even if AD is the best player for the next two rings, Lebron will still get credit for all 6 rings. It still counts! Just like how Kobe has 5 and not 2 and how Magic has 5 and not 2 or 3.

If Lebron retires with 4 rings... 10 years after he's retired not many people will be taking him over MJ. Peeps who never watched either man will say "Ehh... 6 is better than 4". Heck a lot of fans will start making lists with him around #5 all time. They won't be impressed with 4 rings. I mean we can pretend that rings don't matter until we're blue in the face but they matter more than anything else. That's why Kobe was obsessed with getting 6 as well. Because that would have tied him with Jordan in a lot of people's eyes. Unfortunately and IMO unfairly the prevailing narrative surrounding Bill Russell's 11 rings is so strong that he's excluded from most GOAT conversations. 6 is the standard. For me Russell is the most objective GOAT pick but that's just me and a different discussion all together.

[biggestnbafan]

Robert Horry has 7.

By the MJ stan's logic, he's clearly the goat.

[dankok8]

Robert Horry has 7.

By the MJ stan's logic, he's clearly the goat.

Titles as the best player on the team...

[Bronbron23]

Robert Horry has 7.

By the MJ stan's logic, he's clearly the goat.

Yeah because thats all that matters. You obviously have to be better or close in everything else which mj is. Mj has as good or better stats. He has more accolades and he looks better to the eye test. All that plus he has more chips. Horry has the chips but he dosnt have anything else.

[SATAN]

Yeah because thats all that matters. You obviously have to be better or close in everything else which mj is. Mj has as good or better stats. He has more accolades and he looks better to the eye test. All that plus he has more chips. Horry has the chips but he dosnt have anything else.

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Interesting

[dankok8]

Jordan and Pippen Averages During Bulls Title Runs (1991-1993, 1996-1998)

Jordan: 32.6 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 5.4 apg, 1.9 spg, 0.8 bpg on 47.8 %FG/33.8 %3P/82.7 %FT with 2.6 topg; 55.8 %TS
Pippen: 19.0 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.5 apg, 2.1 spg, 1.0 bpg on 44.4 %FG/28.2 %3P/71.7 %FT with 3.0 topg; 51.9 %TS

Imagine insinuating that Pippen was as important as Jordan. You'll be considered a troll!

With that being said Pippen was a great player. 3ball is also off the mark quite badly and his trolling got him rightfully banned.

[Manny98]

Titles as the best player on the team...

Then Bill Russell is the GOAT?

[SATAN]

Then Bill Russell is the GOAT?

Interesting

[dankok8]

Then Bill Russell is the GOAT?

Yes. He's the most objective GOAT.

[Kiddlovesnets]

The 100% finals winning percentage is a necessary condition to be GOAT. Lebron will never surpass MJ even if he 5-peat, his finals record will never be 100% unless he builds a time machine to rewrite history.

[Axe]

The 100% finals winning percentage is a necessary condition to be GOAT. Lebron will never surpass MJ even if he 5-peat, his finals record will never be 100% unless he builds a time machine to rewrite history.
Patrick mccaw is 3-0 in the finals already.

So he's more goat than bran because he's 100% in the finals? Lmfao

[ELITEpower23]

The 100% finals winning percentage is a necessary condition to be GOAT. Lebron will never surpass MJ even if he 5-peat, his finals record will never be 100% unless he builds a time machine to rewrite history.

You have it backwards. What you mean is:

The 100% 1st round winning percentage is a necessary condition to be GOAT. Jordan will never surpass LBJ even if he 5-peat, his 1st round record will never be 100% unless he builds a time machine to rewrite history.

[Kiddlovesnets]

You have it backwards. What you mean is:

The 100% 1st round winning percentage is a necessary condition to be GOAT. Jordan will never surpass LBJ even if he 5-peat, his 1st round record will never be 100% unless he builds a time machine to rewrite history.

Unfortunately no one cares about first round record when we compare top 5 players of all time. The first round record is only relevant to compare players who rarely make out of 1st round, ie. Carmelo vs T-Mac.

[trada7029]

.
2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


* Lebron lost to 1-star teams (Dwight and Dirk)

* Lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 but went 2/4..

* Lebron went 3-16 with 2 seeds including goat choke (11'), a sweep (07') and record loss (14')

* Lebron missed playoffs with the east all-star center - needed to add the coy and a pippen stats player to make 06' Playoffs


not exactly goat lol ... Or even 2nd best.. he was a 1-trick pony with 1 Finals run like AI/Dwight before the "decision"... so his resume is distorted and he's defaulted to the "dr. j" position in the rankings

[Gus Hemmingway]

.
2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


* Lebron lost to 1-star teams (Dwight and Dirk)

* Lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 but went 2/4..

* Lebron went 3-16 with 2 seeds including goat choke (11'), a sweep (07') and record loss (14')

* Lebron missed playoffs with the east all-star center - needed to add the coy and a pippen stats player to make 06' Playoffs


not exactly goat lol ... Or even 2nd best.. he was a 1-trick pony with 1 Finals run like AI/Dwight before the "decision"... so his resume is distorted and he's defaulted to the "dr. j" position in the rankings


3ball....

[SouBeachTalents]

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2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


* Lebron lost to 1-star teams (Dwight and Dirk)

* Lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 but went 2/4..

* Lebron went 3-16 with 2 seeds including goat choke (11'), a sweep (07') and record loss (14')

* Lebron missed playoffs with the east all-star center - needed to add the coy and a pippen stats player to make 06' Playoffs


not exactly goat lol ... Or even 2nd best.. he was a 1-trick pony with 1 Finals run like AI/Dwight before the "decision"... so his resume is distorted and he's defaulted to the "dr. j" position in the rankings
Lmao

[Axe]

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2010 Wade.... 28 PER... 9.2 BPM
2010 Kobe..... 21 PER... 4.4 BPM


* Lebron lost to 1-star teams (Dwight and Dirk)

* Lebron teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 but went 2/4..

* Lebron went 3-16 with 2 seeds including goat choke (11'), a sweep (07') and record loss (14')

* Lebron missed playoffs with the east all-star center - needed to add the coy and a pippen stats player to make 06' Playoffs


not exactly goat lol ... Or even 2nd best.. he was a 1-trick pony with 1 Finals run like AI/Dwight before the "decision"... so his resume is distorted and he's defaulted to the "dr. j" position in the rankings
Damn :oldlol:

I all but completely forgotten this dup existed

[LeCola]

Then he will tie with Duncan.