The lying media to naive fans: "the only way stack deck is joining a 73-win team"

[3ball]

Lies

The Heatles stacked the deck long before the Warriors

and so did the 15' Cavs

Both collusions were instant league favorites..

It's extremely rare to have 3 elite first options on 1 team - magic/kareem/worthy is the only example I can think of

And it's extremely rare to have a sidekick lead the entire playoffs in scoring like AD - only Kareem and Shaq compare as sidekicks

[Manny98]

How df are Kyrie and Love elite 1st options when they never have taken their teams to the playoffs :facepalm :lol

[Wally450]

8:43am and making threads about LeBron. Do you ever get exhausted of making the same threads?

[3ball]

How df are Kyrie and Love elite 1st options when they never have taken their teams to the playoffs :facepalm :lol

That's irrelevant

They're elite because of their stats/production capability

[8Ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

[3ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Coincidence

[Andrei89]

Coincidence

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[3ball]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

It was coincidence

Anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool

Pippen averaged 8 points when MJ made the 2nd round.. so anyone would've won with mj

[8Ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Anyone?

Still waiting for an answer.

"Coincidence" isn't. Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st rounds sweeps without Pippen. Why?

[3ball]

Anyone?

Still waiting for an answer.

"Coincidence" isn't. Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st rounds sweeps without Pippen. Why?

Pippen averaged 8 points when MJ made the 2nd round.. so anyone would've won with mj

[8Ball]

Pippen averaged 8 points when MJ made the 2nd round.. so anyone would've won with mj

For 3 years in a row Jordan with all his STATS could not get passed the 1st round and achieve better than the 8 seed without Pippen.

Lying media don't tell this to naive fans.

[3ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Pippen wasn't stacking the deck

Whereas getting 2 pippens (2 stars) is stacking the deck.... Or getting a star that leads the whole league in scoring

[8Ball]

Pippen wasn't stacking the deck

Whereas getting 2 pippens (2 stars) is stacking the deck.... Or getting a star that leads the whole league in scoring

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?


Anyone? I'm waiting.

[3ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?


Anyone? I'm waiting.

Why couldn't lebron make the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

Zydrunas was the reigning 2-time all-star in 06

Who's better... 88' pippen or 05' Zydrunas

Waiting...

[8Ball]

Why couldn't lebron make the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

Zydrunas was the reigning 2-time all-star in 06

Who's better... 88' pippen or 05' Zydrunas

Waiting...

2016. No other all-stars on his team. :applause:

Beat a 73 win team. Oh by the way. 73 wins > 72.

Still waiting.

[8Ball]

Why couldn't lebron make the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

Zydrunas was the reigning 2-time all-star in 06

Who's better... 88' pippen or 05' Zydrunas

Waiting...

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?


Anyone? I'm waiting.

[Manny98]

That's irrelevant

They're elite because of their stats/production capability
No because their stats don't lead to team success

Anyone can put up high production stats given the amount of touches but only elite players can transfer that production into overall team success

Something that Kyrie & Love fail at because they're NOT elite 1st options

Pippen has had more success as the 1st option (94season) than both Kyrie & Love

[dankok8]

Let's be real... KD's deck stacking was much worse.

[Baller789]

Let's be real... KD's deck stacking was much worse.

It was worse.
But it was probably in response to Lebron's stacking.
This is why this era sucks.

[Manny98]

It was worse.
But it was probably in response to Lebron's stacking.
This is why this era sucks.
Except every team LeBron joined were absolute garbage before he joined and after he left

There is a massive difference between going to a already well oiled machine and going to a losing franchise and turning them into championship contenders

[warriorfan]

Let's be real... KD's deck stacking was much worse.

What LeBron did was worse

He joined the 2nd and 4th highest per in the league in 2010. (Wade 2nd, Bosh 4th)

It would be like if Michael Jordan joined with prime Hakeem Olajuwon and prime Magic Johnson.

[Baller789]

Except every team LeBron joined were absolute garbage before he joined and after he left

There is a massive difference between going to a already well oiled machine and going to a losing franchise and turning them into championship contenders

This is such a deceitful post.

Like Lebron is the only player coming in and coming out of those teams.

Lol

[Manny98]

This is such a deceitful post.

Like Lebron is the only player coming in and coming out of those teams.

Lol
Bosh and Love were acquired through trade so they don't count as they cost resources to acquire

[Baller789]

Bosh and Love were acquired through trade so they don't count as they cost resources to acquire

Are you serious?

Wahahahaha!

[Manny98]

Are you serious?

Wahahahaha!
It's a fact bruh

[Baller789]

It's a fact bruh

Fact like flying spaghetti monsters.

[8Ball]

It was worse.
But it was probably in response to Lebron's stacking.
This is why this era sucks.

This era is amazing.

LeBron and AD together on one team. That doesn't make you happy?

[8Ball]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?


Anyone? I'm waiting.

Anyone? 3ball?

[Baller789]

Anyone? 3ball?

Hey man. Ya still havent answered my q.
How many league assist titles does Lebron have?

[sdot_thadon]

It was worse.
But it was probably in response to Lebron's stacking.
This is why this era sucks.

And unfortunately your blind rage won't let you see that the Heat did it in response to the Big 3 Celtics, who did it in response to a. No rings b. championship teams with depth like the Spurs and Pistons who were the most recent champions.....can't be this naive can you?

[FireDavidKahn]

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?


Anyone? I'm waiting.

Did you know that in 5 attempts without Pippen that Jordan's teams NEVER had a WINNING record during the regular season?:roll:

[8Ball]

Hey man. Ya still havent answered my q.
How many league assist titles does Lebron have?

Stop deflecting all the time.

Answer the question.

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Anyone? I'm waiting.

[3ball]

Stop deflecting all the time.

Answer the question.

How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Anyone? I'm waiting.

How come lebron never made the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

05' Zydrunas was the East all-star center > 88' pippen

[8Ball]

Why couldn't lebron make the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

Zydrunas was the reigning 2-time all-star in 06

Who's better... 88' pippen or 05' Zydrunas

Waiting...

2016. Won the championship to boot against a 73 win team.


How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Anyone? I'm waiting.

[sdot_thadon]

How come lebron never made the playoffs without an all-star teammate?

05' Zydrunas was the East all-star center > 88' pippen

Probably because Lebron's east didn't allow him to make the playoffs with 38, 30, or 40 wins respectively like Mjs version of the east did. Lebron actually missed the playoffs with 42 wins and only made it with 50 win teams....

[3ball]

Probably because Lebron's east didn't allow him to make the playoffs with 38, 30, or 40 wins respectively like Mjs version of the east did. Lebron actually missed the playoffs with 42 wins and only made it with 50 win teams....

Zydrunas was a dumb argument that I used to effectively counter the 1-9 dumb argument

So forget that

and let's talk about what you just said instead

You just said that lebron only made the playoffs with improved 50-win teams - so his 38-win teams were lucky to miss the playoffs and avoid the 8 vs 1 matchup.. surely his 9 seeds in 04/05/19 would've been defeated by the Warriors or 04' Pistons worse than his 2 seeds were beaten (swept or record loss in 07' and 14')

Do you understand that?.. Jordan was unlucky that his 38 win teams made the playoffs, while lebron avoided the 8 vs 1 matchup and only made the playoffs with good teams/high seeds

ultimately, Lebron only made the playoffs with high seeds, and mj drastically outperformed lebron with high seeds

Lebron is nowhere near mj of you look past the surface

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah, I definitely dont share your point of view. It's fun to watch you tap dance tho. Nobody in history would suggest making the playoffs with 30 wins is....unlucky. wtf is wrong with you dude? I'd imagine making the playoffs while simultaneously being in the lottery is the best case scenario for a team unless it wins the title
..

[3ball]

Yeah, I definitely dont share your point of view.


..

Because you're dumb.. and a stalker

Lebron was lucky his 38-win teams missed the 8 seed and avoided getting swept in the 1st round by the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons

That's a fact

It's amazing that LeLoser had high seeds for 17 years - silver spoon in his mouth and a luckbox

Ultimately, we can't compare Jordan's low seeds to lebron, because lebron never had low seeds in the playoffs... And Jordan drastically outperformed lebron with high seeds

[8Ball]

Jordan 1-9 without Pippen.

[8Ball]

2016. Won the championship to boot against a 73 win team.


How come Jordan couldn't lead his team past the 8 seed and 1st round sweeps without Pippen?

For the entirety of his career?

Anyone? I'm waiting.

Anyone?

[3ball]

Jordan 1-9 without Pippen.

1-9 with 8 seeds > 1-9 with 2 seeds

But you guys are too dumb to understand that

[HBK_Kliq_2]

KD joined a 73 win team after losing to them. Now he's recruiting Harden to Nets before he even plays a game. Lebron went to Wade's team and also attempted to recruit Kawhi to lakers.

No shame in these two scumbags. The only one with guts is Kawhi and that's why he went to clippers instead of lakers.

[8Ball]

1-9 with 8 seeds > 1-9 with 2 seeds

But you guys are too dumb to understand that

Why was Jordan stat padding his way to 8 seeds?

[Axe]

As if kawhit never recruited playoff p to the clippers in the first place, only to fail miserably in the second round of the playoffs against the nuggets. :confusedshrug:

[light]

Lies

The Heatles stacked the deck long before the Warriors

and so did the 15' Cavs

Both collusions were instant league favorites..

It's extremely rare to have 3 elite first options on 1 team - magic/kareem/worthy is the only example I can think of

And it's extremely rare to have a sidekick lead the entire playoffs in scoring like AD - only Kareem and Shaq compare as sidekicks

The Boston Celtics stacked the deck before any of those teams.

I guess we could say the 2004 Lakers predated that 2008 Celtics team.

The KD Warriors stand alone though. The Warriors were already a global sensation before KD decided to join them.

[sdot_thadon]

Because you're dumb.. and a stalker

Lebron was lucky his 38-win teams missed the 8 seed and avoided getting swept in the 1st round by the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons

That's a fact

It's amazing that LeLoser had high seeds for 17 years - silver spoon in his mouth and a luckbox

Ultimately, we can't compare Jordan's low seeds to lebron, because lebron never had low seeds in the playoffs... And Jordan drastically outperformed lebron with high seeds

This dumb mu****a said a stalker, bro your life just delusional all the way around isn't it? I guess it's a self-assuring way of explaining getting your ass handed to you anytime someone decides to type anything longer than 1-9 in response to your panic attacks.

Making the playoffs with 30 wins speaks for itself. Nothing more I need to say.

[Axe]

The Boston Celtics stacked the deck before any of those teams.
Yet nobody ever recalls them being b2b league champions, let alone b2b conference champions. So that statement is kinda pathetic.

[SATAN]

Imagine 3ball's "life"...

*wake up after wet dream about MJ*

*thought of LeBron winning with Miami immediately enters mind*

*instantly whips out laptop from under bed and logs into ish*

*makes one of his worst threads yet and gets clowned repeatedly*

*logs in with other account and backs himself up*

*creates another thread about LeBron*

*creates another thread about MJ*

*gets owned in another 2 threads while trying to back himself with various alts*

*realizes it's now 7pm and he hasn't eaten anything, cooks noodles and eats them while checking his thread replies*

*creates new MJ thread, gets owned again*

*realizes it's now 2am, gets excited about possibility of another MJ wet dream and goes to sleep after a big day on ish*

rinse and repeat

[Baller789]

The Boston Celtics stacked the deck before any of those teams.

I guess we could say the 2004 Lakers predated that 2008 Celtics team.

The KD Warriors stand alone though. The Warriors were already a global sensation before KD decided to join them.

Stacking the deck when the players are in their 30's is way more acceptable than stacking players in their prime.

[NBAGOAT]

Stacking the deck when the players are in their 30's is way more acceptable than stacking players in their prime.

this wasnt the 97 rockets. they were 29-31 and all coming off prime seasons. Only lasted a year tbf but they were in their primes still in 08. You're going get reduced stats when you went from first options on bad teams to playing together

[HoopsNY]

Same MJ haters spewing sympathy for super-team building also devoid of context.

Pippen was a rookie in 1987. His "impact" was 7.8 PPG while he didn't start a single game. In the first round, Pippen provided 10.6 PPG. But it's amusing watching Bran stans go in on this point but they don't make the same argument for Sam Vincent.

Why don't we ever hear, "MJ couldn't get past the 1st round without Sam Vincent!". After all, Vincent wasn't with the team prior to 1987, started 27/29 games, averaged 13 PPG, and like Pippen, also averaged 10 PPG in the playoffs.

Chicago went 19-10 (54 game win pace), with Vincent and were 31-22 (48 win pace), without him. Yet the focus is on Pippen? It's simple; Bran stans need a narrative to diminish from MJ's legacy by focusing on Pippen, as if he made Jordan the player that he was.

The whole super-team formation preceded LeBron, but these formations are each on their own level. The Celtics added KG and Allen, but KG and Allen were 31 and 32 years old, respectively. In addition, the Celtics gave up Al Jefferson, Wally Szczerbiak, and Jeff Green.

Jefferson went on to be a 21/11 player shooting 50% the following season with Minnesota. Green a 17/7 player on 45% the following season with OKC.

Miami landed LeBron and Bosh signing max deals, but they were traded for picks. Not to mention, Wade was 29, Bosh and LeBron were both 26.

Golden State signing KD was the worst of them all. Draymond, Steph, Klay, and KD all ended up all-stars, and the Warriors were already a finals team that won 73 wins, an NBA record.

It's safe to say that KD's signing was the worst of the three, but the Miami alliance was also a super-team, while still being a step above the Boston acquisitions of Allen and KG.

[Baller789]

this wasnt the 97 rockets. they were 29-31 and all coming off prime seasons. Only lasted a year tbf but they were in their primes still in 08. You're going get reduced stats when you went from first options on bad teams to playing together

Barkley wasn't that old, but his poor conditioning and fitness made him look old. He was obviously past his prime then.

[Baller789]

Same MJ haters spewing sympathy for super-team building also devoid of context.

Pippen was a rookie in 1987. His "impact" was 7.8 PPG while he didn't start a single game. In the first round, Pippen provided 10.6 PPG. But it's amusing watching Bran stans go in on this point but they don't make the same argument for Sam Vincent.

Why don't we ever hear, "MJ couldn't get past the 1st round without Sam Vincent!". After all, Vincent wasn't with the team prior to 1987, started 27/29 games, averaged 13 PPG, and like Pippen, also averaged 10 PPG in the playoffs.

Chicago went 19-10 (54 game win pace), with Vincent and were 31-22 (48 win pace), without him. Yet the focus is on Pippen? It's simple; Bran stans need a narrative to diminish from MJ's legacy by focusing on Pippen, as if he made Jordan the player that he was.

The whole super-team formation preceded LeBron, but these formations are each on their own level. The Celtics added KG and Allen, but KG and Allen were 31 and 32 years old, respectively. In addition, the Celtics gave up Al Jefferson, Wally Szczerbiak, and Jeff Green.

Jefferson went on to be a 21/11 player shooting 50% the following season with Minnesota. Green a 17/7 player on 45% the following season with OKC.

Miami landed LeBron and Bosh signing max deals, but they were traded for picks. Not to mention, Wade was 29, Bosh and LeBron were both 26.

Golden State signing KD was the worst of them all. Draymond, Steph, Klay, and KD all ended up all-stars, and the Warriors were already a finals team that won 73 wins, an NBA record.

It's safe to say that KD's signing was the worst of the three, but the Miami alliance was also a super-team, while still being a step above the Boston acquisitions of Allen and KG.

Don't post logic and valid arguments.

Lebrontards would just post 1-9.
Which is also perhaps their brain power.

[3ball]

This dumb mu****a said a .

Making the playoffs with 30 wins speaks for itself. Nothing more I need to say.




nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's... 16 of 23 teams made it (70%) - that's a much greater proportion than today's 16 of 30 teams (53%).

That means bad teams made the 7 or 8 seed that wouldn't make the playoffs today, like jordan's 30-40-win teams from 85-87', or lebron's 04/05/19 teams.. But again, lebron's teams were lucky to miss the playoffs because of today's bigger league, which ultimately keeps riff-raff OUT of the playoffs so guys aren't forced to carry teams as bad as Jordan's.

So again, when comparing mj and lebron, the smaller league size hurt Jordan by forcing him to carry weaker teams in the playoffs than lebron had to... The smaller league forced Jordan's 30-40 win teams into the 8 vs 1 matchup, while the bigger league allowed lebron's 30-40 win teams to miss the playoffs, so he didn't have to carry lottery seeds against the champs in 04' or 19' - he only faced playoff opponents with 50-win, high seeds and never had to carry bad lottery casts.. considering that he lost by record amount or was swept with high seeds 3 times, it's hard to fathom how bad he'd get smashed with a REAL bad cast, aka low seed (like if his 04/05/19 teams made it)

And btw, the worst teams in the 80's East had the 8 vs 1 matchup against a super-team because a super-team was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 00"s East).. so even though 30-win teams occasionally made the playoffs because of league-size, their top-heavy, super-team opposition was tougher than the diluted 1-star opposition that won the 00's East (01', 02', 03', 07', 09')

[3ball]

Making the playoffs with 30 wins speaks for itself. Nothing more I need to say.



nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's... 16 of 23 teams made it (70%), which is a greater proportion than today's 16 of 30 teams (53%)... obviously, teams at the bottom of the 70% proportion are worse than teams at bottom of the 53% proportion.

So various 30-40 win teams made the 7 or 8 seed in the 80's (85-87' bulls) that wouldn't make the playoffs today (lebron's 04/05/19 teams)..

The smaller league forced Jordan's 30-40 win teams into the 8 vs 1 matchup, while the bigger league allowed lebron's 30-40 win teams to miss the playoffs, so he didn't have to carry lottery seeds against the champs in 04' or 19' - he only faced playoff opponents with 50-win, high seeds and never had to carry bad lottery casts.. considering that he lost by record amount or was swept with high seeds 3 times, it's hard to fathom how badly he'd get beat with low seeds (like if his 04/05/19 teams made it)

And those bad teams from the 80's had the 8 vs 1 matchup against a super-team because a super-team was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 00"s East).. so even though 30-win teams occasionally made the playoffs because of league-size, their top-heavy, super-team opposition was tougher than the diluted 1-star opposition that won the 00's East (01', 02', 03', 07', 09')..

[3ball]

Making the playoffs with 30 wins speaks for itself. Nothing more I need to say.



Nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's... 16 of 23 teams made it (70%), versus today's 16 of 30 teams (53%)...

If 70% of today's teams made the playoffs, then lebron's 04/05/19 teams would've made it as 8 seeds and faced the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons.

But like you said - lebron only faced those opponents with 50-win, high seeds, not lottery 8 seeds like Jordan was forced into by the smaller league.. so lebron was lucky that he never carried teams as bad as Jordan in the playoffs or against really good teams like the 86' Celtics or 19' Warriors.. only a bigger league and lower proportion of entrants kept his 30-40 win teams out, while Jordan's were forced into the 8 seed.

And those bad teams from the 80's had the 8 vs 1 matchup against a super-team because a super-team was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 00"s East).. so even though 30-win teams occasionally made the playoffs because of league-size, their top-heavy, super-team opposition was tougher than the diluted 1-star opposition that won the 00's East (01', 02', 03', 07', 09')..

[8Ball]

This dumb mu****a said a stalker, bro your life just delusional all the way around isn't it? I guess it's a self-assuring way of explaining getting your ass handed to you anytime someone decides to type anything longer than 1-9 in response to your panic attacks.

Making the playoffs with 30 wins speaks for itself. Nothing more I need to say.

I agree. Weak era. 30 wins to make playoffs?

[Smoke117]

Calling the 2011 Heat stacked like the 2017 Warriors is a joke. After LeBron, Wade, and Bosh the team was basically garbage. Warriors had that kind of top tier talent and then actually had good role players, too. There's was also a big four at the top.

[3ball]

Calling the 2011 Heat stacked like the 2017 Warriors is a joke. After LeBron, Wade, and Bosh the team was basically garbage. Warriors had that kind of top tier talent and then actually had good role players, too. There's was also a big four at the top.
2010 Wade... 9.2 BPM... 28 PER
2010 Kobe.... 4.4 BPM... 21 PER

Lebron said they would win 7 rings because he'd teamed up with Kobe/Pau 2 (except Wade was far better than kobe at the time)

Also.... Battier, Allen, Haslem, Birdman... gtfo... That's nice role players and you already have three stars - you don't need anything else

Again, joining a 73-win team isn't the only way to stack the deck - the Warriors didn't exist in 2011, so the Heatles were the "Warriors" of that time... Lebron + Kobe/Pau 2 is the same thing

[3ball]

I agree. Weak era. 30 wins to make playoffs?

Nearly all teams made the playoffs in the 80's... 70% of teams made it, versus today's 53%...

if 70% of teams made it today, then lebron's 04/05/19 teams would've made it as 8 seeds and faced the 19' Warriors or 04' Pistons.

But lebron only faced those opponents with 50-win, high seeds (he only made the playoffs with developed high seeds), not lottery 8 seeds like Jordan was forced into by the smaller league.. only a bigger league and lower proportion of entrants kept lebron's 30-40 win teams out, while Jordan's lottery casts were forced into the 8 seed.... so lebron was lucky that he never carried teams as bad as Jordan in the playoffs or against really good teams like the 86' Celtics or 19' Warriors..

And those bad teams from the 80's had the 8 vs 1 matchup against a super-team because a super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 00"s East).. so even though 30-win teams occasionally made the playoffs because of league-size, their top-heavy, super-team opposition was tougher than the diluted 1-star opposition that won the 00's East (01', 02', 03', 07', 09')..