How can the 2nd greatest player of all time have the greatest choke ever?

[3ball]

they simply can't

so lebron isn't #2

and that shit in 2011 was due to specific flaws in his game (no clutch gene, weak shooting, redundant fit with Wade as spotty-shooting ball-dominators)..

so it wasn't a fluke and was happening again in 2013 until Ray saved his career.. lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games and 23 on 43% thru 6 - this was insufficient except ray saved his career.

That simply isn't the 2nd best we've ever seen - basically 1/4 in his first 4 Finals..

sorry, but the length of dominance (longevity) isn't the same as degree of dominance (greatness).. And 1/4 is bad, let alone #2... Other guys elevated teams better (better team success and teammate improvement/elevation/capacity without team-stacking, aka better team players)

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan choked vs the Pistons in 1989 (aka quit game)

He also choked in 1995, when he lost to the pups Magic while he had a Prime Pippen who was All-NBA 1st team


Those 2 chokes are far greater than anything lebron did

[8Ball]

The 2nd greatest player ever is 1-9 without Pippen.

[3ball]

Jordan choked vs the Pistons in 1989 (aka quit game)

He also choked in 1995, when he lost to the pups Magic while he had a Prime Pippen who was All-NBA 1st team


Those 2 chokes are far greater than anything lebron did

Jordan was underdog both times and wasn't expected to win - it's like saying Jimmy Butler choked, but worse because Jordan was averaging 5 more ppg (7-8 more pace and drtg-adjusted)

Otoh, imagine if Lebron and AD lost this year as the favorite - that's what lebron did from 09-11' and nearly in 2013.. Bron-ball skillset simply yielded a weak team given the "not 6, not 7" cast.. so they got blown away in 14' to book-end the 11' and 13' debacles/saves.. only the baby Thunder were dumb enough to fall for bron-ball.. otherwise, lebron's ball-dominance and talent-based winning has a lottery record against organic, ball movement systems (Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)..

Organic ball movement is lebron's kryptonite.. his ball-dominant game doesn't allow it, so he gets beat BY it.. his skill set imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping)

[And1AllDay]

why is op melting over mikes ranking? like as if top 5 is bad?

bran
kobe
kareem
russell
mike

top 5 is still good ,be thankful until kd and curry pass him

[8Ball]

His spamming hasn't worked well after #4 so he has resorted to increased volume of spam.

Too bad its not working and we own his ass everytime.

[LoneyROY7]

Ironically, 2011 is EXACTLY why LeBron is the GOAT. There's never been another player of his stature that has overcome such a high level of adversity.

2011 happens...fast forward to 2012 game 6 against Boston. His entire legacy was the line, every single talking head was about to crush him. LeBron responds with one of the greatest playoff games ever played. Pure, unfiltered dominance. There's never been another player in the history of the game that has faced AND dealt with adversity like LeBron James has.

Michael, meanwhile, faced virtually no adversity through out the entirety of his career. And when he did (no Pippen, 95 coming out of retirement), he FAILED spectacularly. He was a frontrunner, pure and simple.

Basketball and life for that matter, is about facing adversity and responding in a way that ultimately defines you. Jordan played career mode on easy, while LeBron took the toughest road.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Jordan was underdog both times and wasn't expected to win - it's like saying Jimmy Butler choked, but worse because Jordan was averaging 5 more ppg (7-8 more pace and drtg-adjusted)

Otoh, imagine if Lebron and AD lost this year as the favorite - that's what lebron did from 09-11' and nearly in 2013.. Bron-ball skillset simply yielded a weak team given the "not 6, not 7" cast.. so they got blown away in 14' to book-end the 11' and 13' debacles/saves.. only the baby Thunder were dumb enough to fall for bron-ball.. otherwise, lebron's ball-dominance and talent-based winning has a lottery record against organic, ball movement systems (Mavs, Spurs, Warriors)..

Organic ball movement is lebron's kryptonite.. his ball-dominant game doesn't allow it, so he gets beat BY it.. his skill set imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (talent-based winning, team-hopping)

So Jordan and an All-NBA 1st teamer wasn't enough to get out the 2nd round? :oldlol:

Jordan not being the favorite HURTS his case.

Can you imagine LeBron not being the favorite to go past the 2nd round with an All-Nba 1st teamer ?? :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

So you're just gonna say he started 1/4 even though he won the title & FMVP in 2013 :oldlol: Solid argument there

He's top 2-3 all time because he has 4 MVP's, 4 FMVP's, the most All-NBA selections in history, some of the greatest per game averages of all time and he'll be at the top of virtually every statistical leaderboard

[Doranku]

Kareem - 1970 finals losing to the 47 win Golden State Warriors with Oscar as his 2nd option
Wilt - too many to list
Duncan - lost to the 8th seeded Grizzlies as the #1 seed
Magic - Tragic Johnson finals
Kobe - 2004 finals

There are more all-time greats with choke jobs similar to Bran's 2011 than there are without. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

So you're just gonna say he started 1/4 even though he won the title & FMVP in 2013 :oldlol: Solid argument there

He's top 2-3 all time because he has 4 MVP's, 4 FMVP's, the most All-NBA selections in history, some of the greatest per game averages of all time and he'll be at the top of virtually every statistical leaderboard

He was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd.. Then he was made champion by teaming up with elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AF, 16' Kyrie)

Equal scoring partners require equal defensive attention, so lebron never won titles with the defensive attention/tough stats or 1-man scoring distribution of Jordan (who had a true 2nd option as sidekick that averaged 10-30 less in every series)

Ultimately, only lebron had many years with elite 1st options at 3rd option, or a sidekick that could lead the playoffs in scoring (AD).. since he was nothing before stacking the deck, I default him to the "dr. J" position in my rankings

[SouBeachTalents]

Ironically, 2011 is EXACTLY why LeBron is the GOAT. There's never been another player of his stature that has overcome such a high level of adversity.

2011 happens...fast forward to 2012 game 6 against Boston. His entire legacy was the line, every single talking head was about to crush him. LeBron responds with one of the greatest playoff games ever played. Pure, unfiltered dominance. There's never been another player in the history of the game that has faced AND dealt with adversity like LeBron James has.

Michael, meanwhile, faced virtually no adversity through out the entirety of his career. And when he did (no Pippen, 95 coming out of retirement), he FAILED spectacularly. He was a frontrunner, pure and simple.

Basketball and life for that matter, is about facing adversity and responding in a way that ultimately defines you. Jordan played career mode on easy, while LeBron took the toughest road.
LeBron was told as a 17 year old you had be a to 10 ATG or you'd be considered a bust, and with all the scrutiny and attention he faced since high school he managed to even exceed those ridiculous expectations. Meanwhile, Jordan seemed to crumble from all the media scrutiny he faced as the 90's rolled around, even retiring in the prime of his career

Just look at this interview he did right before he retired wearing sunglasses like a sketchball :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXHS5Ri73g&ab_channel=RetroBasketballHighlights

[Doranku]

LeBron was told as a 17 year old you had be a to 10 ATG or you'd be considered a bust, and with all the scrutiny and attention he faced since high school he managed to even exceed those ridiculous expectations. Meanwhile, Jordan seemed to crumble from all the media scrutiny he faced as the 90's rolled around, even retiring in the prime of his career

Just look at this interview he did right before he retired wearing sunglasses like a sketchball :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXHS5Ri73g&ab_channel=RetroBasketballHighlights

C'mon bruh. :lol While it is incredibly impressive that LeBron managed to exceed his insane early expectations, the rest of your post is a ludicrous assumption to make.

[3ball]

LeBron was told as a 17 year old you had be a to 10 ATG or you'd be considered a bust, and with all the scrutiny and attention he faced since high school he managed to even exceed those ridiculous expectations. Meanwhile, Jordan seemed to crumble from all the media scrutiny he faced as the 90's rolled around, even retiring in the prime of his career

Just look at this interview he did right before he retired wearing sunglasses like a sketchball :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXHS5Ri73g&ab_channel=RetroBasketballHighlights


But lebron had to manufacture it.. he wasn't great enough to do it naturally

Specifically, he was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd.. Then he was made champion by teaming up with elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie)

Ultimately, only lebron had many years with elite 1st options at 3rd option, or a sidekick that could lead the playoffs in scoring (AD).. since he was nothing before stacking the deck and distorting his resume, I default him to the "dr. J" position in my rankings

[Gus Hemmingway]

So Jordan and an All-NBA 1st teamer wasn't enough to get out the 2nd round? :oldlol:

Jordan not being the favorite HURTS his case.

Can you imagine LeBron not being the favorite to go past the 2nd round with an All-Nba 1st teamer ?? :oldlol:


3ball?

[3ball]

3ball?

Pippen wasn't all nba in 1988 so I didn't bother respond to the lie.

Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team in 05'.

[SouBeachTalents]

C'mon bruh. :lol While it is incredibly impressive that LeBron managed to exceed his insane early expectations, the rest of your post is a ludicrous assumption to make.
Lol, I was only being half serious in that post. I'm sure Jordan retired for a myriad of reasons, most notably his fathers death, but from what I've read his stature as arguably the most famous person on the planet (besides the other MJ) seemed to take a toll on him. He'd be facing 100x worse scrutiny had he played in the internet/social media era, I'd be curious to see how he would handle it

[SATAN]

Remember when ordan went 1-11 in 22 minutes vs Puerto Rico? :kobe:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Pippen wasn't all nba in 1988 so I didn't bother respond to the lie.

Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center on his team in 05'.


Pippen was all-nba 1st team in 1995, and Jordan lost in the 2nd round

Why wasn't Jordan the favorite with an all-nba 1st team 2nd option?

[3ball]

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Thread Cliffs


lebron was a 1-trick pony before the "decision", with only 1 Finals run like Iverson, Dwight and Kidd.. Then he was made champion by teaming up with elite 1st option sidekicks that could outscore him for entire playoff runs (11' Wade, 20' AD, 16' Kyrie)

Ultimately, only lebron had many years with elite 1st options at 3rd option, or a sidekick that could lead the playoffs in scoring (AD).. he was nothing before stacking the deck and distorting his resume, so I default him to the "dr. J" position in my rankings

[FultzNationRISE]

OP on the ground taking kicks from everyone.


Ouch.

[Doranku]

Lol, I was only being half serious in that post. I'm sure Jordan retired for a myriad of reasons, most notably his fathers death, but from what I've read his stature as arguably the most famous person on the planet (besides the other MJ) seemed to take a toll on him. He'd be facing 100x worse scrutiny had he played in the internet/social media era, I'd be curious to see how he would handle it

It'd definitely be interesting to see how Jordan would handle the criticism he received early on in this day and age. Would be magnified 100x over for sure, but he seems like the type who would only benefit from the added fuel. I guess you never know, though. Just don't think he'd be turning off instagram comments and pouting during the playoffs like say, Playoff P. :lol

[And1AllDay]

LeBron was told as a 17 year old you had be a to 10 ATG or you'd be considered a bust, and with all the scrutiny and attention he faced since high school he managed to even exceed those ridiculous expectations. Meanwhile, Jordan seemed to crumble from all the media scrutiny he faced as the 90's rolled around, even retiring in the prime of his career

Just look at this interview he did right before he retired wearing sunglasses like a sketchball :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iXHS5Ri73g&ab_channel=RetroBasketballHighlights

thin skin mike

'people make fun of muh gamblins but it aint illegal doe'

what a weak minded fakkit :oldlol: i might take him out of the top 5 after this shit

[3ball]

Pippen was all-nba 1st team in 1995, and Jordan lost in the 2nd round

Why wasn't Jordan the favorite with an all-nba 1st team 2nd option?

Jordan was playing baseball with advanced stats that looked like his Wizards years.. and Pippen wet the bed as usual with 19 on 40% and destroyed by the opposing 2nd option..

you should be aware that anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's fault - this is statistical fact because Jordan never had a bad series or stinker like Bron's 07' or 11' Finals, or something like that..

pippen averaged 17/7/5 on 41% for the entire 96-98" Playoffs..... 19/7/5 on 42% in 6 Finals.... 12/6/3 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons....16 on 40% in 2 Finals, 4 ECF, and the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF (where X-man destroyed Pippen).... 16/6/5 for career

[SATAN]

1-11 is probably the worst shooting in professional basketball history. You can't make this shit up.

[3ball]

1-11 is probably the worst shooting in professional basketball history. You can't make this shit up.

It's funny because lebron played exactly like Pippen in the 2011 Finals - 18/7/6 on 48% and hiding in the clutch

Peak Wade couldn't win with that crap... only Jordan could carry that kind of garbage

[Doranku]

1-11 is probably the worst shooting in professional basketball history. You can't make this shit up.

To be fair, LeBron's 2-18 shooting with 10 turnovers is probably the worst playoff game of all-time.

[FultzNationRISE]

Jordan was playing baseball with advanced stats that looked like his Wizards years.. and Pippen wet the bed as usual with 19 on 40% and destroyed by the opposing 2nd option..

you should be aware that anytime a series was close or lost, it was Pippen's fault - this is statistical fact because Jordan never had a bad series or stinker like Bron's 07' or 11' Finals, or something like that..

pippen averaged 17/7/5 on 41% for the entire 96-98" Playoffs..... 19/7/5 on 42% in 6 Finals.... 12/6/3 on 42% against the 88-90' Pistons....16 on 40% in 2 Finals, 4 ECF, and the 7 game war in the 92' ECSF (where X-man destroyed Pippen).... 16/6/5 for career


This is an outright distortion of the truth. You know full well Pippen made MADONNA wet the bed thru vag1nal squirting because his giantic meat hose was so utterly satisfying.

He dominated MJ in ‘advanced stats’ if you catch my drift.

[SATAN]

To be fair, LeBron's 2-18 shooting with 10 turnovers is probably the worst playoff game of all-time.

Doesn't count

[light]

The 2nd greatest of all time had the greatest choke and let down ever because Michael Jordan didn't respect the game and thought he could come back from baseball and just cruise to a fourth title.

The Magic gave him a very rude awakening and any Jordan fan that was alive at the time (like myself) will tell you that the loss to the Magic was one of the most crushing blows they've ever experienced as a sports fan.

If you were a Mike Tyson fan it was like when Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglas. It was unthinkable. Jordan looked so vulnerable. Kids were crying over that.

It was a strange time indeed, but MJ was to blame for that for not approaching his comeback properly.

[3ball]

The 2nd greatest of all time had the greatest choke and let down ever because Michael Jordan didn't respect the game and thought he could come back from baseball and just cruise to a fourth title.

The Magic gave him a very rude awakening and any Jordan fan that was alive at the time (like myself) will tell you that the loss to the Magic was one of the most crushing blows they've ever experienced as a sports fan.

If you were a Mike Tyson fan it was like when Tyson got knocked out by Buster Douglas. It was unthinkable. Jordan looked so vulnerable. Kids were crying over that.

It was a strange time indeed, but MJ was to blame for that for not approaching his comeback properly.

No the stats from the series show that pippen was to blame

The games wouldn't have been close if pippen came to play

[SATAN]

No the stats from the series show that pippen was to blame

The games wouldn't have been close if pippen came to play

No Pip No Chip

[3ball]

No Pip No Chip





Pip sucked


CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Wade.'.... 22.0.. 4.7.. 5.4.. 55.4 ts.. 23.5 PER.. 0.160 ws/48.. 5.0 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

AD.......... 24.0.. 10.4.. 2.2.. 58.8 ts.. 27.4 PER.. 0.219 ws/48.. 6.3 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.... 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Wade.'.... 22.3.. 5.2.. 4.9.. 54.9 ts.. 22.4 PER.. 0.155 ws/48.. 5.3 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

AD.......... 28.8.. 10.8.. 2.8.. 63.3 ts.. 28.4 PER.. 0.243 ws/48.. 7.4 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.... 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


Career Finals

Kyrie...'... 28/4/4 on 48%
Pippen... 19/7/5 on 42%

[Gus Hemmingway]

Pip sucked


CAREER REGULAR SEASON

Wade.'.... 22.0.. 4.7.. 5.4.. 55.4 ts.. 23.5 PER.. 0.160 ws/48.. 5.0 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

Kyrie...... 22.4.. 3.7.. 5.7.. 57.2 ts.. 22.2 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 4.5 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.. 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM

AD.......... 24.0.. 10.4.. 2.2.. 58.8 ts.. 27.4 PER.. 0.219 ws/48.. 6.3 BPM
Pippen... 16.1.... 6.4.. 5.2.. 53.6 ts.. 18.6 PER.. 0.146 ws/48.. 4.1 BPM


CAREER PLAYOFFS

Wade.'.... 22.3.. 5.2.. 4.9.. 54.9 ts.. 22.4 PER.. 0.155 ws/48.. 5.3 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

Kyrie...... 23.5.. 3.3.. 5.0.. 56.0 ts.. 21.4 PER.. 0.169 ws/48.. 4.2 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.. 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM

AD.......... 28.8.. 10.8.. 2.8.. 63.3 ts.. 28.4 PER.. 0.243 ws/48.. 7.4 BPM
Pippen... 17.5.... 7.6.. 5.0.. 53.6 ts.. 18.4 PER.. 0.140 ws/48.. 4.9 BPM


What were Wade and Kyrie's playoff stats in their 1st season without LeBron vs Pippen in his 1st season without Jordan?

[SATAN]

It's a good thing you saved the document so we can see your copy and paste again. Thanks.

[light]

No the stats from the series show that pippen was to blame

The games wouldn't have been close if pippen came to play

No, MJ was not on point, as his 41% shooting indicated. He was also slower and lost just a bit of confidence because of all the talk at the time about him losing a step - defenders were openly saying it.

But LeBron in 2011 and Jordan in 1995 were very similar.

They both did not appeoach their new teams properly.

They were both even wearing new numbers for the first time, an indicator of how new the experience was for them.

They were both dealing with less than ideal chemistry.

They were both thinking title. LeBron with "not one..." and Jordan just flat out saying he came back to win a title that year.

They both played with all eyes on them, scrutinizing their every move.

But they both lost in the end.

LeBron just went a lot further than Jordan did - the finals vs the 2nd round.

Jordan's loss was more shocking though because he was already thought of as unbeatable whereas in 2011 LeBron still had yet to win.

[3ball]

What were Wade and Kyrie's playoff stats in their 1st season without LeBron vs Pippen in his 1st season without Jordan?


Wade/Pippen had the same stats

And Pippen was 18 on 32% without the system in 1999 Playoffs

Pippen was nothing with 7 years of grooming alongside the goat and a 3-peat system.. that gave him 55 wins like Lowry, Dominique, KJ, Marc Gasol, Derozan - anyone and everyone - and then 2nd Round exit

That's what Jordan won with - a Marc Gasol, KJ or Lowry caliber sidekick that could win 55 games and lose in the 2nd round

[And1AllDay]

Wade/Pippen had the same stats

And Pippen was 18 on 32% without the system in 1999 Playoffs

Pippen was nothing with 7 years of grooming alongside the goat and a 3-peat system.. that gave him 55 wins like Lowry, Dominique, KJ, Marc Gasol, Derozan - anyone and everyone - and then 2nd Round exit

That's what Jordan won with - a Marc Gasol, KJ or Lowry caliber sidekick that could win 55 games and lose in the 2nd round

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

whoops

mike couldnt get enough out of pippen

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

whoops

mike couldnt get enough out of pippen

Jordan is the only guy that carried a category for his team, and it was the most important category

[SATAN]

He's bringing up Pippen in the 99 playoffs as if it's even remotely relevant to the conversation. :facepalm

[3ball]

He's bringing up Pippen in the 99 playoffs as if it's even remotely relevant to the conversation. :facepalm

Pippen was nothing without the triangle and away from Jordan

[tpols]

Lebron's one of the best athletes ever but he isnt as good at basketball as people make him out to be. There are many guys who were better at basketball.

[tpols]

Jordan's gambling addiction sort of astounds me. I have had addictions, but gambling seemed to be the most nonsensical. Like.... it's a guarantee you're gonna lose in the long term. Unless youre some rain man type who figured out a way to buck a rigged system. And even then they'll goon anybody who beats them big. Gambling is so out of your hands. It's the opposite of basketball, where Michael had total control. With gambling youre leaving your fate in the hands of another man or team. I dont know why Mike would ever do that given his own talents.

[pandiani17]

Kareem - 1970 finals losing to the 47 win Golden State Warriors with Oscar as his 2nd option
Wilt - too many to list
Duncan - lost to the 8th seeded Grizzlies as the #1 seed
Magic - Tragic Johnson finals
Kobe - 2004 finals

There are more all-time greats with choke jobs similar to Bran's 2011 than there are without. :confusedshrug:

Agree. There have been many choke jobs similar to that, like Magic in 1984, the Lakers in 2004 or the Warriors in the 2016. And to be fair to LeBron, he wasn't yet the finished article that he became in later years, I think it was good for him in the long-term because it helped him become the best player he probably could.

[TheGoatest]

Jordan choked vs the Pistons in 1989 (aka quit game)

He also choked in 1995, when he lost to the pups Magic while he had a Prime Pippen who was All-NBA 1st team


Those 2 chokes are far greater than anything lebron did

This. LeBron "choked" against a team that swept the defending champion Kobe-Gasol Lakers, Jordan choked against a team that went on to get swept in the finals by a 6th seed. :roll:

[Phoenix]

Pathetic.

[8Ball]

OP on the ground taking kicks from everyone.


Ouch.

We took q hot steaming dump on 3ball.

Like a stray dog being whipped. We are relentless on him.

1-9

[sdot_thadon]

Pip sucked.
Pippen was nothing without the triangle and away from Jordan

Yeah.


Michael returned from the games raving about Scottie’s performance. Before the summer, Michael had regarded Pippen as the most talented member of his supporting cast. But after watching him outplay Magic Johnson, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, and other future Hall of Famers in Barcelona, Michael realized that Scottie was the best all-around player on what many consider the best basketball team ever assembled. Scottie, Michael had to admit, had even outshone him in several of the games.

[RRR3]

Lebron's one of the best athletes ever but he isnt as good at basketball as people make him out to be. There are many guys who were better at basketball.
Handles and footwork does not constitute how good you are at basketball you absolutely retarded protozoan. How many times has Kblaze ethered your brain damaged ass about this again? And you still don’t get it. You are legit one of the dumbest posters here which is incredible.

[biggestnbafan]

The 2nd greatest player ever is 1-9 without Pippen.

Jordan stans refuse to admit just how much help he had.

Top 50 player in Pippen
Top coach at the time
Top rebounder in Rodman
Top 3 point shooter of all time in Kerr
A 6th man who would start on every other team

[TheCorporation]

Handles and footwork does not constitute how good you are at basketball you absolutely retarded protozoan. How many times has Kblaze ethered your brain damaged ass about this again? And you still don’t get it. You are legit one of the dumbest posters here which is incredible.

:roll: King RRR3 slaying these kids

:dancin

[Kiddlovesnets]

Lebron isnt #2, Id put Kareem and Magic ahead of him right now. Only after winning his 5th ring will I be able to rank him ahead of Kareem and Magic.

[TheCorporation]

Lebron isnt #2, Id put Kareem and Magic ahead of him right now. Only after winning his 5th ring will I be able to rank him ahead of Kareem and Magic.

Blasphemy. Magic is no where near LeBron. And I'd put Kareem over MJ before I put him above LBJ. It's 2020 now. Please keep up.

[SATAN]

Banned again :lol

:facepalm

[ELITEpower23]

Lebron isnt #2, Id put Kareem and Magic ahead of him right now. Only after winning his 5th ring will I be able to rank him ahead of Kareem and Magic.

Magic is no where near LeBron.

LeBron has a record setting 16-consecutive 25 ppg seasons. Magic has zero. I kindly beg you to be smarter when representing our forum. These uneducated, embarrassing posts are not appreciated.

[StrongLurk]

2011 finals is the biggest reason why Lebron is not GOAT, but is doesn't preclude him from being number two all time (unless you have Bill Russell number two all time).

[And1AllDay]

Magic is no where near LeBron.

LeBron has a record setting 16-consecutive 25 ppg seasons. Magic has zero. I kindly beg you to be smarter when representing our forum. These uneducated, embarrassing posts are not appreciated.

+1

preach

[MadDog]

Why can't that be? LeBron isn't Top 2 but a player can have a "GOAT choke" then rattle off GOAT performances to counter it. How many that would take is really dependent on circumstance (competition, help, stakes etc) but it can absolutely be done. Your OP sounds dumb and arbitrary to be frank.

[trada7029]

1-9





Jordan is bad for going 1-9 with 8 seeds and averaging 44...

But it's okay for lebron to go 1-9 with 2 seeds while averaging 22?

Lebron is 3-16 with 2 seeds including a sweep (07'), a goat choke (11'), and record loss (14')

And Jordan is bad for needing an 8 ppg rookie to make the 2nd Round.... But it's okay for Lebron to miss playoffs with the East all-star center??... and need to add the COY and a pippen-stats player to make the 06' Playoffs?