3ball, what are the excuses for the following MJ performances?

[Gus Hemmingway]

1986 R1 G3 19 points 40%

1987 R1 G3 8/30 shooting

1989 ECF series tied 2-2 away game Jordan takes 8 shots the whole game going 4/8

1989 R2 G2 6/19

1990 R1 G4 6/20

1990 ECF G2 5/19

1990 ECF G7 11/28

1991 Finals G3 10/27

1992 R2 G6 9/25

1992 ECF G2 6/22

1992 ECF G6 10/27

1992 Finals G4 11/26

1993ECFG1 10/27 2reb 4ast

1993 ECF G2 12/32

1993 ECF G3 3/18

1993 ECF G6 8/24

1993 Finals G3 57min 44 points on 43 shots

1995 R1 G4 8/24

1995 R2 G1 8/25

1995 R2 G4 9/24

1996 R2 G1 14/35

1996 R2 G2 7/23

1996 R2 G3 15/35

1996 ECF G3 5/14 6reb 2ast

1996 Finals G2 9/23

1996 Finals G4 6/19

1996 Finals G6 5/19

1997 R2 G3 7/20

1997 R2 G5 8/23

1997 ECF G2 4/15 6reb 3ast

1997 Finals G3 9/22

1997 Finals G4 10/27

1998 R1 G1 11/27

1998 ECF G1 11/28

1998 ECF G3 9/22

1998 ECF G7 9/25!

1998 Finals G2 14/33

1998 Final G3 7/14 3reb 2ast

1998 Finals G5 9/26

1998 Finals G6 15/35



Jordan exposed :eek::eek:

[3ball]

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^^^^ only 30 bad shooting games in 179???.... that's goat .. thanks for finding that


But,


MJ never played this bad:



Lebron's worst series


2007 ECSF vs NJN... 24.7 on 42.3%

2007 ECF vs DET...... 25.8 on 44.7%

2007 Finals vs SAS... 22.0 on 35.6%

2008 ECSF vs BOS... 26.7 on 35.5%

2010 ECSF vs BOS.... 26.8 on 44.7% (quit)

2011 RD 1 vs PHI...... 24.2 on 46.9%

2011 ECF vs CHI....... 25.8 on 44.7%

2011 Finals vs DAL... 17.8 on 47.8%

2013 RD 1 vs MIL...... 24.5 on 60.7%

2013 ECSF vs CHI..... 23.6 on 43.8%

2013 Finals vs SAS.... 25.3 on 44.7%

2014 ECF vs IND........ 22.8 on 55.7%

2015 ECSF vs CHI...... 26.2 on 39.9%

2016 RD 1 vs DET...... 22.8 on 48.7%

2016 ECSF vs ATL..... 24.3 on 50.7%



- 6 losses in championship, mostly with super-teams

- not elite on post (a pre-requisite for goat)

- not elite shooter from anywhere (pre-requisite for goat))

- 2011 Finals

- 2007 Finals

- net negative in 2013 Finals (Heat lost with him on floor)

- 2008 ecsf

- 4 record losses or sweeps

- lost as favorite 3 times and even money once

- team-hopped 3 times to play with the best players, aka imnediate league favorite status (easiest path)

- fields low-assist teams because teammates see lower assists alongside him

- 0-8 on clutch shots in championship

- low team ceilings - perennial underdog regardless of cast; needs tons of help due to ball-dominance/low ball movement, aka weak brand/weak teamwork

- Lost 2 Finals with 27 ppg sidekick (11') and 29 ppg sidekick (17')

- 7 years in his prime without MVP (14-20')

- his defensive assignment won FMVP four times

- only lebron allowed his man to average 2+ points above their regular season averages in 14' 15', 17', and 18' Finals - aka he was the only Heat or Cav playing bad defense

- doesn't take contested jumpers (statistical fact - NBA.com tracking stats says that he defers them to lesser teammates, while KD, Harden, Kawhi take 3-6 times as many contested shots)

- is often exploited by "letting him shoot" (brickcity and passivity), or "let him dribble (no ball-movement)

- doesn't command double-teams, so can't free up teammates (doubled on 5.4 possessions in 15' Finals and similar in 09' ECF)

- record time of possession (ball-domination) in 15' and 18' Finals (30% more than regular season Harden)

- lebron starts at SF but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor - teammates see lower ball-time and assists in lebron's 2 PG lineups than traditional 1 PG lineups.. lower teammate assist means low TEAM assist ranks and struggles on the championship level

[Doranku]

This is LeBron in only 2007 and 2008:

8-22
8-22
8-21
5-16
5-14
8-20
7-19
8-19
3-11 (closeout game, thanks Boobie)
4-16 (finals)
9-23 (finals)
10-30 (finals)
8-21
2-18
6-24 ( :( )
5-16
7-20
9-23

That's more than half of Jordan's career list of bad playoff games in two years. :lol

[Axe]

This is LeBron in only 2007 and 2008:

8-22
8-22
8-21
5-16
5-14
8-20
7-19
8-19
3-11 (closeout game, thanks Boobie)
4-16 (finals)
9-23 (finals)
10-30 (finals)
8-21
2-18
6-24 ( :( )
5-16
7-20
9-23

That's more than half of Jordan's career list of bad playoff games in two years. :lol
Against perennial defenders or ordinary scrubs?

[SATAN]

1986 R1 G3 19 points 40%

1987 R1 G3 8/30 shooting

1989 ECF series tied 2-2 away game Jordan takes 8 shots the whole game going 4/8

1989 R2 G2 6/19

1990 R1 G4 6/20

1990 ECF G2 5/19

1990 ECF G7 11/28

1991 Finals G3 10/27

1992 R2 G6 9/25

1992 ECF G2 6/22

1992 ECF G6 10/27

1992 Finals G4 11/26

1993ECFG1 10/27 2reb 4ast

1993 ECF G2 12/32

1993 ECF G3 3/18

1993 ECF G6 8/24

1993 Finals G3 57min 44 points on 43 shots

1995 R1 G4 8/24

1995 R2 G1 8/25

1995 R2 G4 9/24

1996 R2 G1 14/35

1996 R2 G2 7/23

1996 R2 G3 15/35

1996 ECF G3 5/14 6reb 2ast

1996 Finals G2 9/23

1996 Finals G4 6/19

1996 Finals G6 5/19

1997 R2 G3 7/20

1997 R2 G5 8/23

1997 ECF G2 4/15 6reb 3ast

1997 Finals G3 9/22

1997 Finals G4 10/27

1998 R1 G1 11/27

1998 ECF G1 11/28

1998 ECF G3 9/22

1998 ECF G7 9/25!

1998 Finals G2 14/33

1998 Final G3 7/14 3reb 2ast

1998 Finals G5 9/26

1998 Finals G6 15/35



Jordan exposed :eek::eek:

Did you know Michael Jeffrey Jordan went 1-11 for 4 points in 22 minutes while representing the United States in the Olympics Games? Puerto Rico totally kicked his ass up and down the court.

[3ball]

Against perennial defenders or ordinary scrubs?


Against this defender:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/CcQ7gp.gif

[SATAN]

Against this defender:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/CcQ7gp.gif

Shit like this is why I laugh at people who talk like the defense of yesteryear was so rough that it made scoring almost impossible :lol

[3ball]

Shit like this is why I laugh at people who talk like the defense of yesteryear was so rough that it made scoring almost impossible :lol



Bowen's shading looks like nothing against the goat's pure scoring moves and mid-range touch:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/9FFolf.gif



I'm sorry for you that lebron makes it look so tough lol

[SATAN]

Bowen's shading looks like nothing against the goat's pure scoring moves and mid-range touch:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/9FFolf.gif



I'm sorry for you that lebron makes it look so tough lol

Nice one. Reminded me of DeMar DeRozen.

[Cyrus334]

You must have way too much free time on your hands if you (or whoever you got that from) really searched up all of Jordan's bad shooting performances over a decade lol.

[MrFonzworth]

You must have way too much free time on your hands if you (or whoever you got that from) really searched up all of Jordan's bad shooting performances over a decade lol.

It took 5 minutes. Thanks for the contribution though

[Shooter]

You must have way too much free time on your hands if you (or whoever you got that from) really searched up all of Jordan's bad shooting performances over a decade lol.

Dude that only took me 10 min. Learn computers

[dankok8]

I'm not the one to support 3ball but he completely destroyed the OP. Doranku and a few others merely assisted the destruction.

[biggestnbafan]

- 6 losses in championship, mostly with super-teams



LOL, the delusion is strong with this one. For Cleveland to be a super team, Kevin Love + Kyrie have to come off the bench. Get real man.

[biggestnbafan]

So Lebron "quit" in 2010 while leading both teams in: Scoring, Rebounds, Steals, and 2nd in Assists.


Is a 37 year old Shaq also one of these "super teams" Lebron was so lucky to play on? :facepalm

You're on drugs.

[PeroAntic]

It took 5 minutes. Thanks for the contribution though

Wrong account, dipshit.

And it would take at least 15 minutes just to write all that up. pathetic, MJ keeps living rent free in these idiots' heads.

[AirTupac]

Wrong account, dipshit.

And it would take at least 15 minutes just to write all that up. pathetic, MJ keeps living rent free in these idiots' heads.


What a fvcking loser of a rat lmfao

[Gus Hemmingway]

3ball, if you don’t answer in the next 24 hrs you concede this thread

You still haven’t given a good excuse for those dogshit performances

[trada7029]

3ball, if you don’t answer in the next 24 hrs you concede this thread

You still haven’t given a good excuse for those dogshit performances


only 53% of today's league makes the playoffs (top half of teams).. otoh, 70% of teams made the playoffs in the 80's (many bottom half teams).

Today's bigger league and lower proportion of entrants kept lebron's 30-40 win teams out of the 8 seed in 04/05/19, while Jordan's 30-40 win casts were forced into the 8 vs 1 matchup by a smaller league.. so lebron only faced playoff opponents with developed high seeds, not lottery 8 seeds like Jordan.. We can only imagine what would happen if his lottery casts from 04' or 19' faced the champion Warriors or Pistons... It's safe to say his 8 seeds would do poorly since he went 3-16 with 2 seeds in 07', 11', 14, and 17' - so that's already worse than Jordan's 1-9 with 8 seeds... And if you want to say "well it's better to make the Finals", then let's talk Finals, aka 6/6

Ultimately, it's funny that Jordan is considered bad for getting swept with 8 seeds while averaging 44, but it's okay for lebron to get swept with a 2 seed while wetting the bed with 22 ppg... Or go 3-16 with 2 seeds including the goat choke.. lol bron-stans

Btw, teams from the 80's had the 8 vs 1 matchup against a super-team because a super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East (not 1-star teams like the 00"s East).. so even though 30-win teams occasionally made the playoffs because of league-size, their top-heavy, super-team opposition was tougher than the diluted 1-star opposition that won the 00's East (01', 02', 03', 07', 09')..

[LoneyROY7]

Hey look, it's 3ball's alt since he got banned.

[trada7029]

Hey look, it's 3ball's alt since he got banned.

Jordan is a better passer than harden

Basically the same assists with half the ball domination, better TEAM assists, better team offense, and better teammate fit/maximization

Harden's assists are playground style dribbling forever, which anyone can do.. Jordan's assists were more random and instinctual... naturally-occuring during the course of goat team ball and brand and teammate maximization

[Shooter]

Hey look, it's 3ball's alt since he got banned.

Caught :lol :roll:

[SATAN]

How many alts does this sad fgt have? :facepalm

[LoneyROY7]

Jordan is a better passer than harden

Basically the same assists with half the ball domination, better TEAM assists, better team offense, and better teammate fit/maximization

Harden's assists are playground style dribbling forever, which anyone can do.. Jordan's assists were more random and instinctual... naturally-occuring during the course of goat team ball and brand and teammate maximization

Harden's a better passer than MJ. Sorry, bud.

Harden averages 8 assists per game for his career as a starter.

MJ averaged 5. :(

[trada7029]

Harden's a better passer than MJ. Sorry, bud.

Harden averages 8 assists per game for his career as a starter.

MJ averaged 5. :(

Harden sacrifices brand of ball, teammate maximization and winning to get 1 extra assist per game

Jordan would average more assists if he played that way, and did exactly that when he played PG or the 91' Finals..

they said Jordan was a better PG than Magic when mj played PG in 89' - no one ever said that about harden or lebron

[MrFonzworth]

Wrong account, dipshit.

And it would take at least 15 minutes just to write all that up. pathetic, MJ keeps living rent free in these idiots' heads.

Yea it would take 15 minutes if you have some kind of mental disability.