Duncan's Career Was Riddled With Failures

[FireDavidKahn]

And wasn't some flawless career that people make it out to be.


Debunking the “Tim Duncan had a flawless career” narrative once and for all.(THREAD)

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2001 WCF

Has Homecourt Advantage

Down 2-0 scores 12ppg on 33% FG in the next 2 games

Game 3

Season on the line drops 9 points on 21%FG to go down 3-0 and basically loses the series.

Robinson had 24 on 56%

Game 4
1 point in the 2nd half of an elimination game

Horrendous

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2002 WCSF

Spurs lead by halftime in 4/5 Games and by the end of the 3rd Q in 3/5 games, but still lose in 5 due to his inability to close games out

2nd Halves

Duncan shoots 37%FG | 45%TS

4th Quarters

Duncan shoots 38%FG | 44%TS

Last 4 games of the 2004 WCSF after the Spurs went up 2-0

TD: 18/14/4 on 38%FG | 47%TS

Spurs lose all 4 games

10pts on 29%FG in game 3 failing to go up 3-0

Blows a double digit lead in game 4 allowing the Lakers to tie

Shoots 22%FG in the 2nd half of the elimination game

In 2005 Tim Duncan arguably wasn’t even the best player on his team.

Manu performed so well while Duncan underperformed offensively that even members of the Spurs organization said Manu was the true FMVP.
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2006 WCSF

Had Homecourt advantage and more help than Dirk

Goes 1-7 in overtime of game 7 and fails to repeat and defend his title AGAIN.

1 of 2 times dirk would beat him without home court advantage.

2007: WCSF Amar'e Stoudemire gets suspended in game 4.

Suns countered by saying that Duncan and Bruce Bowen were guilty of a similar leaving the bench offense in Game 4.

Duncan should have not been playing either

Finals:
Last 2 games: 13 ppg 31% FG.
Vs terrible Cavs team

2008:

Still considered a top big man in the league.

However underperformed and failed to defend his title AGAIN

WCSF
TD: 15/13/3 42%FG

Game 7
5-17 FG | 0pts (0-6 FG) in 4th
Outscored by 5 players And Tied game high in TO

CARRIED.

2008 WCF

TD in the 4th quarters in the 3 close games

Game 1
8 PTS 2/4 FG 4/5 FT

Game 3
4 PTS 2/7 FG 0/0 FT

Game 5
6 PTS 1/4 FG 4/6 FT

Overall
18 PTS 5/15 FG 8/11 FT (45%TS)

blew 2 large leads and lost in 5 to a depleted lakers team despite having more help.

2010 WCSF

bad defensive effort by Duncan as he gets swept

outplayed badly young Dragic And blew a 18 point lead in Game 3 that could have turned the momentum in Favor of the Spurs

2nd half of Game 4 with the game within 3
Duncan shoots: 25%FG |29%TS
Teammates: 47%FG | 63% TS

2011: Lost in the first round to an 8th seed

This is arguably his worst choke.
Black small squareTD: 12/10 on 49% TS
Black small squareGame 6 (elimination/close out game):
12/10 on 35% FG
Black small square 6th leading scorer through the whole out series.
Black medium small square6 points in game 4 on 42% FG

Completely out played by Zach Randolph
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2013:

Game 7: blew an easy layup and the tip in following it that could have tied the game.

Game 6: 4TH quarter + OT stats:
0 points
0-5
0% FG

Game 7:
7 points on 33%

Summary of Tim’s shortcomings:

Black small squareCant defend his titles
Black small squareChokes when it really matters
Black small square Blows big leads
Black small squareGets Carried
Black small squareUnderperforms in 4th quarters

Went from underrated to overrated so quick..


WOW!

Doubt anyone here has really done a deep dive into Timmy's career. Dude got so many lucky breaks throughout his career

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Exactly, iconic thread. Most overrated piece of shit of all time and plays like its the 1960s.

[biggestnbafan]

And yet many NBA Hall of Famers call him the greatest forward ever. Makes you wonder if they're right, or the OP who spent way too much writing this trash take.

Zack Randolph outplayed him by shooting 20% from 3P because Duncan was 0% LOL

Idiot.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUB1yURoVjM&t=3285s

1:17:38 - Kobe shoots a floater over Duncan

1:20:20 - Kobe shits on Duncan with a midrange jumper in his face

1:20:55 - Kobe drives right past Duncan and get an easy layup on him

This is the defense of Duncan in a closeout game? Getting baptized. On top of that, he was shooting like trash.

[FireDavidKahn]

And yet many NBA Hall of Famers call him the greatest forward ever. Makes you wonder if they're right, or the OP who spent way too much writing this trash take.

Zack Randolph outplayed him by shooting 20% from 3P because Duncan was 0% LOL

Idiot.

Whoosh!

I'll let you try again and think about what the point of this thread really is...

[tpols]

He spanked bran.

1 shot away from a 3peat of titles.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

He spanked bran.

1 shot away from a 3peat of titles.

basketball gods just didn't want him to ever win finals mvp though.

2007 - shot terrible against Big Z for some reason
2013 - ray allen miracle shot but duncan also missed a layup in late game 7
2014 - kawhi had to win it for him

[Kblaze8855]

So winning 5 rings in a career much much much longer than 5 years leaves a lot of losses and failures to point to if youre douchebag enough to think falling short of the glory of the lord is worth hating on? Shocking.

Great..... even incredible things..... can have flaws. Hell lose the “can”. All things do have flaws. There are inherent issues letting a woman ride you in a car now that bench seats are gone but that doesn’t mean you tell a bad bitch she can’t. She getting curled up like fried shrimp if that’s what it takes.

There are downsides to everything. Only jackasses obsess over them when the issue is something that is otherwise near perfection.


Long post short? **** outta here. Nobody normal cares what Duncan shot in game Whatever in 2002 When there have only been 2 more successful people to enter the nba since the Korean War.

[Smook A.]

Well yeah... all NBA players have had some flaws in their career. Jordan, LeBron, Kobe, Kareem, Magic, etc etc

Tim Duncan's career is really close to perfect and he has one of the most decorated resumes ever. In 19 seasons, he never missed the playoffs, and won at least 50 games every season (In the '99 and '12 lockout seasons, Spurs still finished 1st in the West). That by itself is ridiculous. Then you add in all his accolades & awards and you see why he's one of the 10 best players ever and the GOAT PF.

[Kblaze8855]

Whoosh!

I'll let you try again and think about what the point of this thread really is...

If this is what it now appears to be all I can say in my defense....I read like 6 lines and spoke most of my post into my phone while driving(poorly) and had no time to scan for hidden sarcasm or points.

[Young X]

That's the nature of the playoffs. It's an up and down roller coaster. When you play that many games against the level of players and teams he has, you're gonna come up short.

If you guys really sat back and looked at it, you will realize how ridiculous the standards are that you hold players to. If Duncan is playing in series against Kobe, Shaq, Dirk and guys like that you actually think he should play well every game and not be mediocre at times? He's playing in series with hall of famers on his team like Robinson, Parker, Ginobilii, you actually think he's not gonna get outplayed and carried at times?

What is the imaginary gold standard you are looking for? You will probably think of a player that has even more failures that you just haven't investigated yet.

You are supposed to fail in the playoffs if you face any kind of elite competition.

[AussieSteve]

Exactly, iconic thread. Most overrated piece of shit of all time and plays like its the 1960s.

Duncan >>> Kawhi

[Kiddlovesnets]

Other than MJ, Everyone's career is riddled with failure by your stupid definition.

[Carbine]

If you did a deep dive like this for LeBron it would read a lot of the same stuff.

Same for Kobe.

Same for Shaq.

Here's the main point, these guys aren't who they are because of the bad games, they have the reputations that they do because of what they did while willing.

The only two people I don't think you could have much ammo on in a deep dive like this is Russell and MJ.

Jordan might have like 3-5, over the entirety of his playoff career.

[FireDavidKahn]

Other than MJ, Everyone's career is riddled with failure by your stupid definition.

MJ had to be bailed our by teammates and got carried in several crucial games in series.

The point keeps going over your head.

[TheCorporation]

MJ had to be bailed our by teammates and got carried in several crucial games in series.

The point keeps going over your head.

MJ's 1st three years:

10 playoff games
1 win
9 losses

MJ's next 3 years:
3 losses in a row to Detroit

Not a pretty sight

[MadDog]

Pretty rough critique of Duncan. A lot of arbitrary "faults" in the OP that don't necessarily make him a worse impact player. That said, I also think he gets overrated and has no business being ranked over Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, Kareem or Russell.

[WhiteKyrie]

I have always said this. For a long time casuals who thought they were appearing as knowledgeable, would overhype Tim Duncan.

Obviously he’s an all-time great. In that top 10 to top 15 tier.

But he’s always been a center and not a power forward. So no “best PF ever” gimmicky monikers.

And even then, I don’t think he was definitively better than his contemporary counterpart in Kevin Garnett. Given similar circumstances, coaching, supporting cast, KG would’ve undoubtedly been just as successful. Just look what he did past his prime with the Celtics in 2008, and 2009 before his injury. And even after his crippling injuries what he did with them in 2010, 2011, and 2012 is still impressive.

And I actually think KG is a more versatile player than Duncan.

Everybody ignores Tim Duncan‘s failures. Whether it’s the 2013 finals choke job, leading team USA to a bronze medal in the 2004 Olympics. Where nobody mentions him, when in reality “selfish” Iverson was clearly their best player.

He has no case over: Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt or Russell. Since he was a center afterall. Possibly not even better than a man on his own franchise in David Robinson, tbh.

[Kblaze8855]

But he’s always been a center and not a power forward. So no “best PF ever” gimmicky monikers.


Your opinion on what position he played means literally nothing compared to the fact he started at the 4 till he was like 31 or older.

Prime Duncan played the 4 and that is just the way it is. You are what you play no matter what you might be elsewhere. Celtics win that lottery he’s a 5 with Walker at the 4. Spurs won so he played the 4 with Drob and then Nazr, Rasho, and Oberto at the 5. Later he played a lot more center but the person history will remember as the real Duncan played the 4.

[RRR3]

Literally everyone’s career was riddled with “failures”, except players who were on Bill Russell’s Celtics.

[Smoke117]

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT
In 10 years: Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT

[Axe]

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT
In 10 years: Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT
/thread

[Axe]

2014 - kawhi had to win it for him
Role player fmvp

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Role player fmvp

In the 3 straight wins, Kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

Now tell me, who was the role player?

[Axe]

In the 3 straight wins, Kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

Now tell me, who was the role player?
The spurs have been making 10-plus straight playoff berths already before kawhi even got sent to the team.

[Proctor]

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT
In 10 years: Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT

:roll: Thread over

[AussieSteve]

In the 3 straight wins, Kawhi averaged 24PPG and Duncan averaged 12PPG.

Now tell me, who was the role player?

Why do you hype Kawhi so much? He's not worthy if the level of stanning you give him. You should try and stan someone better.

[warriorfan]

If Duncan’s career was a failure what does that make of the entire Timberwolves NBA history?

[HBK_Kliq_2]

Why do you hype Kawhi so much? He's not worthy if the level of stanning you give him. You should try and stan someone better.

I've looked. There is nobody that is better.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

The spurs have been making 10-plus straight playoff berths already before kawhi even got sent to the team.

That's like saying Wade was finals MVP in 2006, so how come Lebron couldn't win in 2014? Are you a moron? People get old. The three years leading up to drafting Kawhi from 2009-2011 spurs won a total of 5 playoff games.

[Axe]

That's like saying Wade was finals MVP in 2006, so how come Lebron couldn't win in 2014? Are you a moron? People get old. The three years leading up to drafting Kawhi from 2009-2011 spurs won a total of 5 playoff games.
You're dumber than i thought lol.

The point of my statement is, you can't act like kawhi was the only guy responsible for making the spurs relevant.

Also it is quite amusing how you had to obviously nitpick in the years they weren't that successful in the postseason.

[brooks_thompson]

1 player ever (and a few teammates) has succeeded more than he failed. ONE.

[FireDavidKahn]

Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT
In 10 years: Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KAT

If you thought that's what this thread is about then you need to put the booze down.

[FireDavidKahn]

If Duncan’s career was a failure what does that make of the entire Timberwolves NBA history?

A joke.:oldlol:

[ELITEpower23]

You're dumber than i thought lol.

The point of my statement is, you can't act like kawhi was the only guy responsible for making the spurs relevant.

Also it is quite amusing how you had to obviously nitpick in the years they weren't that successful in the postseason.

I swear he forgets about Kawhis chokes in 2015, 2016, 2018, 2018 and 2020.

[light]

In all fairness, everyone's career is riddled with failure.

A player like Duncan had his successes spread out over the length of his career - winning a title early and winning a title late and winning titles intermittently at various points in between. Between titles he struggled.

A player like Jordan had his successes backloaded, meaning that the last half of his career was filled with winning while the first half of his career was filled with struggle.

In essence, the amount of winning between the two is essentially the same (give or take a title), it was just dispersed differently.

[SouBeachTalents]

C'mon, this is some nitpicky shit :lol I agree that he doesn't get close to the level of criticism that a LeBron or Kobe would if they were the ones who lost to an 8 seed or missed a layup to tie Game 7, but you could do this for literally any player.

The one ATG that I feel gets let off the hook the most is Bird. His career is riddled with, for ATG standards, shockingly mediocre playoff performances

[999Guy]

All of this shit will always be stupid. Caring about team accomplishments in a 10 man game will give you chances to make threads like this.


LeBrons career is the ultimate example. Took him being 28 to win a title. Essentially known as a loser before that. But the one win changed everything right? Except it literally didn’t. They don’t retroactively change his previous seasons. He’s either a loser or a winner but one series isn’t changing it.

It’s like calling a guy an MVP forever. Or an all-star forever. Or a DPOY forever.

All players are FORMER NBA champions. Temporary.

The logic doesn’t make sense linearly or any other way.

Hell Dirk’s career is a better example actually.

But of course Duncan had plenty of duds. Like everyone. I don’t think they define him but I think they should if titles do as well. All of it counts.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

C'mon, this is some nitpicky shit :lol I agree that he doesn't get close to the level of criticism that a LeBron or Kobe would if they were the ones who lost to an 8 seed or missed a layup to tie Game 7, but you could do this for literally any player.

The one ATG that I feel gets let off the hook the most is Bird. His career is riddled with, for ATG standards, shockingly mediocre playoff performances

Bird lacks longevity but he did lead playoffs in VORP in 5 different seasons, Duncan only 2 seasons.

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I swear he forgets about Kawhis chokes in 2015, 2016, 2018, 2018 and 2020.

Tim Duncan at 28 years old by end of 2005 playoffs: 10.2 VORP

Kawhi Leonard at 28 years old by end of 2020 playoffs: 10.8 VORP

[Norcaliblunt]

Dude doesn't get critiqued as hard because no one tries to put him up with Jordan. End of discussion. Lol.

[FireDavidKahn]

C'mon, this is some nitpicky shit :lol I agree that he doesn't get close to the level of criticism that a LeBron or Kobe would if they were the ones who lost to an 8 seed or missed a layup to tie Game 7, but you could do this for literally any player.

The one ATG that I feel gets let off the hook the most is Bird. His career is riddled with, for ATG standards, shockingly mediocre playoff performances

The point of this thread isn't even to hate specifically on Duncan. I don't think I've actually ever said anything negative about him.

The point of this thread is to point out that every single HOFer or ATG had multiple failures in their career.

[FireDavidKahn]

All of this shit will always be stupid. Caring about team accomplishments in a 10 man game will give you chances to make threads like this.


LeBrons career is the ultimate example. Took him being 28 to win a title. Essentially known as a loser before that. But the one win changed everything right? Except it literally didn’t. They don’t retroactively change his previous seasons. He’s either a loser or a winner but one series isn’t changing it.

It’s like calling a guy an MVP forever. Or an all-star forever. Or a DPOY forever.

All players are FORMER NBA champions. Temporary.

The logic doesn’t make sense linearly or any other way.

Hell Dirk’s career is a better example actually.

But of course Duncan had plenty of duds. Like everyone. I don’t think they define him but I think they should if titles do as well. All of it counts.
This is precisely the type of post that this thread is geared towards.

So by your logic then MJ isn't even and ATG since he got bounced in the 1st round in 3 straight trips plus MJ was "only" 27 when he won his first ring:oldlol:

[Axe]

This is precisely the type of post that this thread is geared towards.

So by your logic then MJ isn't even and ATG since he got bounced in the 1st round in 3 straight trips plus MJ was "only" 27 when he won his first ring:oldlol:
Most likely because mj's bulls were already the favorites during those years even before they got pippen

[Mr. Woke]

His ex-wife also cucked his boring ass.

He is so ****ing boring that she decided to let a personal trainer dick her down.

[dankok8]

The point of this thread isn't even to hate specifically on Duncan. I don't think I've actually ever said anything negative about him.

The point of this thread is to point out that every single HOFer or ATG had multiple failures in their career.

Everyone except Russell and MJ.

[leBron Bieber]

And wasn't some flawless career that people make it out to be.



WOW!

Doubt anyone here has really done a deep dive into Timmy's career. Dude got so many lucky breaks throughout his career
Definitely gets 0 of the criticism of other greats but he was that X factor that stop Kobe Shaq and lebron from having all the rings in the last 20 years so I gotta give him that . AD gonna be better in my opinion but it’s early

[Axe]

Definitely gets 0 of the criticism of other greats but he was that X factor that stop Kobe Shaq and lebron from having all the rings in the last 20 years so I gotta give him that . AD gonna be better in my opinion but it’s early
It's also funny how the big fundamental got his very first chip before those three guys even did. :oldlol:

[HoopsNY]

So winning 5 rings in a career much much much longer than 5 years leaves a lot of losses and failures to point to if youre douchebag enough to think falling short of the glory of the lord is worth hating on? Shocking.

Great..... even incredible things..... can have flaws. Hell lose the “can”. All things do have flaws. There are inherent issues letting a woman ride you in a car now that bench seats are gone but that doesn’t mean you tell a bad bitch she can’t. She getting curled up like fried shrimp if that’s what it takes.

There are downsides to everything. Only jackasses obsess over them when the issue is something that is otherwise near perfection.


Long post short? **** outta here. Nobody normal cares what Duncan shot in game Whatever in 2002 When there have only been 2 more successful people to enter the nba since the Korean War.

Well said. Unsurprisingly, the OP is a Bran stan. The new generation thinks that all great players should have some flawless career.

The reality is, Duncan sacrificed a lot once Parker and Ginobili got on board and succumbed his will to the Gregg Popovich system. And when you have the longevity that guys like Duncan did, then you will have some playoff series that are less than desirable, especially when you hit the age of 35 in an era that was not the no having defense era we see today.

35 year old Duncan probably still drops 20/12 on 50% with 3 blks in this shitty style of play that we saw in the bubble where everyone and their mama was lighting it up.

[FireDavidKahn]

Everyone except Russell and MJ.

What do you mean?

In this thread I was told that having this resume means you are a career loser


LeBrons career is the ultimate example. Took him being 28 to win a title. Essentially known as a loser before that. But the one win changed everything right? Except it literally didn’t. They don’t retroactively change his previous seasons. He’s either a loser or a winner but one series isn’t changing it.

MJ lost in the 1st round of the play offs 3 times in a row and didn't win until he was 27. That's worse then LeBron!

[HoopsNY]

What's also funny is how Kevin Garnett is so overrated. While some of us were actually near adults during KG coming up, the rest of these Bran stans were probably in pre-k acting like KG is comparable.

KG was notoriously known for disappearing in late games and giving up shots to his teammates. Ask anyone who was around from 1997-03, you would be crazy to pick KG over Duncan.

Duncan was clutch and a better defensive stopper. His low post presence made him the only viable threat to the Lakers three-peating. In 2000, LA was lucky that Duncan got injured late in the season. He didn't play in the 1st round against Phoenix and subsequently, San Antonio lost.

Many said it then that if the Lakers matched up against San Antonio in that series, then it's very possible San Antonio wins.

KG gets more recognition for his title run with Boston, but it comes really on the strength of what was seen as the evolution of the superteams. That's it. Duncan is top 10, KG isn't.

[RRR3]

Everyone except Russell and MJ.
MJ only won 40% of the time stop sucking his ****.

[3ball]

What do you mean?

In this thread I was told that having this resume means you are a career loser



MJ lost in the 1st round of the play offs 3 times in a row and didn't win until he was 27. That's worse then LeBron!

Lebron missed the playoffs 2 years in a row - how is losing in the playoffs worse?

And Jordan went 1-9 against champs with 8 seeds, while lebron went 1-9 against champs with 2 seeds (3-16 with 2 seeds actually)

[FireDavidKahn]

Lebron missed the playoffs 2 years in a row - how is losing in the playoffs worse?
Jordan made the Play offs in his first 3 years yet never had a winning record over that span. He even made the play offs with a 30-52 record...:roll:

Don't forget that MJ came into the league as a 3 year college starter.

LeBron has NEVER lost in the first round. LeBron lead his team to the FInals when he was 22 years old while MJ at that level was on a team that only won 30 games (still made the play offs:roll: competition was a joke back then). Even MJ at 23 couldn't hold a candle to LeBron. Losing record and lost in the first round.

[Axe]

Jordan made the Play offs in his first 3 years yet never had a winning record over that span. He even made the play offs with a 30-52 record...:roll:

Don't forget that MJ came into the league as a 3 year college starter.

LeBron has NEVER lost in the first round. LeBron lead his team to the FInals when he was 22 years old while MJ at that level was on a team that only won 30 games (still made the play offs:roll: competition was a joke back then). Even MJ at 23 couldn't hold a candle to LeBron. Losing record and lost in the first round.
Imagine dickriding bran too hard like this while having kat as an avatar

What a joke

Also the wolves lost the first round of the pos a total of seven times a row

[dankok8]

MJ only won 40% of the time stop sucking his ****.

He never lost with HCA.
He never lost as a #1 or #2 seed.
He played 6 years with one all-star sidekick in an 8 year span and won 6 titles.
He never badly underperformed in a playoff series like almost any other great.
He never got outplayed by an opposing player in a playoff series.

Those are facts whether you like MJ or not.

Likewise Russell won 11 titles in 13 years. You can make excuses till the cows come home but he's the most objective GOAT. Even over MJ. Because winning is the most important thing in basketball. Everything else is bullshit narratives. You ask any player in the NBA today whose resume they want the most they will all say Bill Russell hands down.

[3ball]

Jordan made the Playoffs in his first 3 years yet never had a winning record over that span. He even made the play offs with a 30-52 record...:roll:



Most teams made the playoffs in the 80's, so Jordan's 30-40 win teams were forced into the 8 vs 1 matchup..

But only half the teams make it today, so lebron's 30-40 win teams missed the 8 seed in 04/05/19, and therefore the underdog role..

It would've been fun to see his lottery casts against the 04' Pistons or 19' Warriors in the 8 vs 1 matchup... But instead he had high seeds and faced the 40-win Wizards three years in a row.





LeBron has NEVER lost in the first round.



if lebron's lottery casts from 04/05/19 were forced into the 8 seed like Jordan's teams, they would've been destroyed by the champion Pistons or Warriors in those years.

He'd lose with 8 seeds because he was demolished with high seeds - he went 3-16 with 2 seeds in 07', 11', 14, and 17', so that's worse than Jordan's 1-9 with 8 seeds... And if you want to say "well it's better to make the Finals", then let's talk Finals, aka 6/6

Ultimately, it's funny that Jordan is considered bad for getting swept with 8 seeds while averaging 44, but it's okay for lebron to get swept with a 2 seed while averaging 22... Or go 3-16 with 2 seeds including the goat choke, sweep, and record loss.. lol bron-stans






LeBron led his team to the FInals when he was 22 years old while MJ was nothing



A super-team with many HOF's was required to win the 80's East

so the 1-star teams that routinely won the 00's East would have no chance (01' Sixers.. 03' Nets.. 07' Cavs.. 09' Magic)





MJ at 23 couldn't hold a candle to LeBron.





Stats at 22-23 years old vs championship team and #1 defense


Jordan vs 86' Celts..... 44/6/6 on 50%
Lebron vs 07' Spurs.... 22/7/6 on 36%


So every version of Jordan is superior.... :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Yet he still lead his team to more rings than bron has, and didn't need multiple super teams and team hopping to do it.

And it cuts this secret bron stan in half...

Op - as usual - you are a complete and utterly gigantic failure in life.

I'd hate to even know how much your life sucks off this forum...

You defs got bullied at school...now a loser in moms basement...and a virgin....OUCH

[Hey Yo]

He never lost with HCA.
He never lost as a #1 or #2 seed.
He played 6 years with one all-star sidekick in an 8 year span and won 6 titles.
He never badly underperformed in a playoff series like almost any other great.
He never got outplayed by an opposing player in a playoff series.

Those are facts whether you like MJ or not.

Likewise Russell won 11 titles in 13 years. You can make excuses till the cows come home but he's the most objective GOAT. Even over MJ. Because winning is the most important thing in basketball. Everything else is bullshit narratives. You ask any player in the NBA today whose resume they want the most they will all say Bill Russell hands down.
:oldlol:

You really describing a guy who was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of his 6 titles just an "All-Star sidekick?"

[dankok8]

:oldlol:

You really describing a guy who was All-NBA on both sides of the court for 5 of his 6 titles just an "All-Star sidekick?"

Pippen was obviously better than your average all-star but MJ never had multiple all-stars and you can't argue with 6 titles in 8 seasons. Basically give Jordan a great sidekick and a cast of role players and he'll win a title 75% of the time.

[RRR3]

smack slurp MJ! MJ! MJ!
:biggums:

[WhiteKyrie]

His ex-wife also cucked his boring ass.

He is so ****ing boring that she decided to let a personal trainer dick her down.
Duncan is gay. Had his college BF living with him and his e-wife. Was a beard. So she didn’t cuck him. He could care less. I’ve heard similar things about over the top emotional Westbrick being gay too.

[MadDog]

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You can hear the tears pouring on this guy's keyboard. :oldlol: Most of the world has MJ>LeBron, you'll be alright.