Top 25 Point Guards of All-Time Voting Part 4: Players 16-20

[L.Kizzle]

Select and rank the next five (players 16 through 20) of the greatest POINT GUARDS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your choices or debate why said player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, the top five will be selected and another five will be added to the pool of players.


Players to Choose From:
Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
Bob Davies
Damian Lillard
Dave Bing
Dennis Johnson
Derrick Rose
Gus Williams
Jo Jo White
Kevin Johnson
Kyrie Irving
Lenny Wilkens
Mark Price
Maurice Cheeks
Rajon Rondo
Tim Hardaway


Top 25 Point Guards: 1-15
1 'Magic' Johnson
2 Stephen Curry
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Isiah Thomas
5 Chris Paul
6 Steve Nash
7 John Stockton
8 Jason Kidd
9 Walt 'Clyde' Frazier
9 Gary Payton
11 Bob Cousy
12 Russell Westbrook
13 Tony Parker
14 Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
15 Chauncey Billups


Voting Results
Number of Voters - 10
Number of Players Receiving Votes - 8


Bob Cousy (4) 1st Place / (2) 2nd Place = 54 Points
Russell Westbrook (2) 1st Place / (3) 2nd Place / (1) 3rd Place = 46 Points
Tony Parker (4) 3rd Place / (2) 5th Place = 22 Points
Nate ‘Tiny’ Archibald (1) 2nd Place / (1) 3rd Place / (2) 4th Place = 18 Points
Chauncey Billups (1) 4th Place / (3) 5th Place = 6 Points
Damian Lillard (1) 4th Place / (1) 5th Place = 4 Points
Lenny Wilkens (1) 4th Place = 3 Points
Dennis Johnson (1) 4th Place = 3 Points


Voting Criteria
Five Seasons or more played in the NBA
1st = 10 Pts
2nd = 7 Pts
3rd = 5 Pts
4th = 3 Pts
5th = 1 Pt

Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-3-Players-11-15 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487730-Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-3-Players-11-15)

[dankok8]

16. DJ
17. Rose
18. Kyrie
19. Rondo
20. Jo Jo

[L.Kizzle]

16. DJ
17. Rose
18. Kyrie
19. Rondo
20. Jo Jo
Shout-Out for the Jo Jo White vote. Rarely gets mentioned.
Thoughts on Dave Bing, Gus Williams?

[AussieSteve]

Bob Cousy (4) 1st Place / (2) 2nd Place = 54 Points
Russell Westbrook (2) 1st Place / (3) 2nd Place / (1) 3rd Place = 46 Points
Tony Parker (4) 3rd Place / (2) 5th Place = 22 Points
Nate ‘Tiny’ Archibald (1) 2nd Place / (1) 3rd Place / (2) 4th Place = 18 Points
Chauncey Billups (1) 4th Place / (3) 5th Place = 6 Points
Damian Lillard (1) 4th Place / (1) 5th Place = 4 Points
Lenny Wilkens (1) 4th Place = 3 Points
Dennis Johnson (1) 4th Place = 3 Points



I haven't voted yet, but just wanted to add that no votes for KJ is a travesty.

Dude was a 5x All-NBA and averaged 21/11 over a 4 season peak, in a team that was winning 55 games per season.

[L.Kizzle]

I haven't voted yet, but just wanted to add that no votes for KJ is a travesty.

Dude was a 5x All-NBA and averaged 21/11 over a 4 season peak, in a team that was winning 55 games per season.
KJ, Tim and Penny Hardaway, Mark Price, Dave Bing have yet to receive a vote.

[ELITEpower23]

I haven't voted yet, but just wanted to add that no votes for KJ is a travesty.

Dude was a 5x All-NBA and averaged 21/11 over a 4 season peak, in a team that was winning 55 games per season.

I mean, I'm just saying that sounds like a downgraded Damian Lillard...

Lillard over a 4 season peak is averaging 26/7 and has the 5x all NBA and 5x All stars. He also has iconic game winners and post season moments. If you gave Lillard Barkley instead of Aldridge or McCollum....I can't help but think that leads to a chip.

[ELITEpower23]

Who voted Jo Jo White over guys like Damian Lillard? Am I living in real life?

Anyway, here are my selections:

Lilllard
DJ
Rondo
Lenny
Rose

[L.Kizzle]

I mean, I'm just saying that sounds like a downgraded Damian Lillard...

Lillard over a 4 season peak is averaging 26/7 and has the 5x all NBA and 5x All stars. He also has iconic game winners and post season moments. If you gave Lillard Barkley instead of Aldridge or McCollum....I can't help but think that leads to a chip.
I think guys like Dame, KJ, Timmy Hardaway are interchangeable.

[L.Kizzle]

Who voted Jo Jo White over guys like Damian Lillard? Am I living in real life?

Anyway, here are my selections:

Lilllard
DJ
Rondo
Lenny
Rose
Jo Jo White is a Finals MVP and Hall of Famer.

[SouBeachTalents]

16. DJ
17. Price
18. Bing
19. KJ
20. Tim Hardaway

[RRR3]

Rose legit had 1.5 years as a star and y’all voting for him :roll:

[RRR3]

16. Bing
17. Wilkens
18. Lillard
19. Kevin Johnson
20. Tim Hardaway

[And1AllDay]

dame lilllard
dennis johnson
lenny
rose
bing

[tanibanana]

I can't still get over the fact that Cousy is ranked 11th.
A guy who is 4th in All NBA 1st Team (only behind to Kobe, LeBron & Malone). Among all PG listed in the top-10, he is the only player who could "arguably" match (or exceed) Magic's FMVP if the award was existing during his time. And I could still go on with All-Stars, AS-MVP, etc. Anyway...

16. D. Johnson
17. L. Wilkens
18. D. Lillard
19. T. Hardaway
20. D. Bing

[L.Kizzle]

I can't still get over the fact that Cousy is ranked 11th.
A guy who is 4th in All NBA 1st Team (only behind to Kobe, LeBron & Malone). Among all PG listed in the top-10, he is the only player who could "arguably" match (or exceed) Magic's FMVP if the award was existing during his time. And I could still go on with All-Stars, AS-MVP, etc. Anyway...

16. D. Johnson
17. L. Wilkens
18. D. Lillard
19. T. Hardaway
20. D. Bing
They look at Cousy era more than they do the other top guys from the 60s usually ranked high like Russ, Wilt, Oscar and West. I've noticed even Elgin and Pettit have receded in recent years.

[MadDog]

Good to see Thomas>Paul. Damn, this forum has hope after all :confusedshrug:

If I had a vote here;

Dame
KJ
DJ
T. Hardaway
Penny

Rose has an MVP over all these guys, but I think the players listed had better/consistent impact. DJ has more championships than the others although I value peak/prime play a bit more than I do hardware.

[Shooter]

Dame
KJ
DJ
T. Hardaway
Penny

[dankok8]

Shout-Out for the Jo Jo White vote. Rarely gets mentioned.
Thoughts on Dave Bing, Gus Williams?

Dave Bing was very talented guy always playing on bad teams with Bob Lanier. Became the mayor of Detroit as some point IIRC. I don't think he gets a nod over any of the guys here who won more than he did. I've become more and more unimpressed over time with great stats on bad teams.

Gus literally had one ridiculously good year in 1979 then never came within a mile of that ever again and was also kind of a headcase. He had a big role in the Sonics not continuing as a dynasty and broke that team apart. I considered him.

It becomes really subjective past the first few guys though. I could have put KJ there or Mr. Crossover or even Lillard... I'm not gonna pretend that my list is better than others here...

[dankok8]

Penny should be a SG. He was a really good passer but not a traditional PG.

[Young X]

Lillard has the potential to be in the top 10 IMO. He is that good.

[L.Kizzle]

Lillard has the potential to be in the top 10 IMO. He is that good.
True, but he needs to hurry. He's already 30 years old.

[Jasper]

16. Bing
17. Wilkens
18. Lillard
19. Kevin Johnson
20. Tim Hardaway

ditto on this

[72-10]

wow, so many options

I'm surprised ya'll have passed on Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway to this point, considering what a good ball distributor they were, and that despite this, getting them the ball would be key

btw where did you list LeBron?

Penny Hardaway
Dave Bing
Damian Lillard
Tim Hardaway
Kyrie Irving

I've always thought that Lenny Wilkens was among the least deserving members of the NBA's 50th Anniversary Team.

[72-10]

ftr changed my order

[L.Kizzle]

wow, so many options

I'm surprised ya'll have passed on Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway to this point, considering what a good ball distributor they were, and that despite this, getting them the ball would be key

btw where did you list LeBron?

Penny Hardaway
Dave Bing
Damian Lillard
Tim Hardaway
Kyrie Irving

I've always thought that Lenny Wilkens was among the least deserving members of the NBA's 50th Anniversary Team.
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