China Virus Death Per 100 Cases, By Age

[jstern]

https://i.ibb.co/37rNzc2/Covid-19-Deaths-Per-100-Cases.png

What do you guys think? Seems rather low. It shouldn't even be a political issue where Democrats take one side and Republicans the other.

[BigKobeFan]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

[~primetime~]

can't even really read that...

https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=900&format=jpeg


^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low

[jstern]

can't even really read that...

^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low

What do you mean you can't read it?

The point of the chart that I posted is to show progression over the months. Your chart completely excludes that and lumps everything together, thus the data is meaningless since it lumps all the months together.

I mean I think it's beyond clear that this was the point of my OP.

Maybe I should change the title.

Edit: Too late, I can't change the title.

[~primetime~]

What do you mean you can't read it?

The point of the chart that I posted is to show progression over the months. Your chart completely excludes that and lumps everything together, thus the data is meaningless since it lumps all the months together.

I mean I think it's clear that's the point of it.
yours ALSO lumps everything together, the overall rates have dropped over time as we've been testing more...everyone is aware of that.

Yours is hard to read in that it's low res and can't even see where the rates land...old people at 4%ish?...the rest at around .5%?

[jstern]

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/11/27/johns-hopkins-study-saying-covid-19-has-relatively-no-effect-on-deaths-in-u-s-deleted-after-publication-n1178930

Very interesting article.


According to Briand, “The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals.”

Briand’s analysis found that the range of deaths amongst the older population has remained within the range of past years.

So, if COVID-19 has actually had no significant impact on U.S. deaths, why does it not appear that way?


However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes.


The study found that “This trend is completely contrary to the pattern observed in all previous years.” In fact, “the total decrease in deaths by other causes almost exactly equals the increase in deaths by COVID-19.”

[jstern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHRNvAIFSMU

[FultzNationRISE]

can't even really read that...

https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=900&format=jpeg


^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low


So the most devastating impact of Covid is that it kill 10% of the people 85+ years old that it infects.

Which is itself an undoubtedly INFLATED number because tons of those deaths are likely incidental. People who are dying as they normally would be, but happen to have the Covid virus in their body.

Plus, 10% does not mean 10% of the population. It means 10% of the people over 85 who are believed to have the covid virus, have died.

90% did not.

And the numbers just shrink from there as you go backward in age.


RUN FOR THE HILLS, LOW IQ AMERICANS!

[BigKobeFan]

So the most devastating impact of Covid is that it kill 10% of the people 85+ years old that it infects.

Which is itself an undoubtedly INFLATED number because tons of those deaths are likely incidental. People who are dying as they normally would be, but happen to have the Covid virus in their body.

Plus, 10% does not mean 10% of the population. It means 10% of the people over 85 who are believed to have the covid virus, have died.

90% did not.

And the numbers just shrink from there as you go backward in age.


RUN FOR THE HILLS, LOW IQ AMERICANS!

Don't forget to include the mass numbers of elder that cuomo killed by dumping sick people to already sick people in convalescent homes.

[tpols]

can't even really read that...

https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=900&format=jpeg


^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low

yea so why are you so afraid? 99.9% survival rate for you and your family, so we shut everything down? ...what? Tiddy people die for a million different reasons every single day. Less people have died this year than in 2018 in the USA. WHY are you still on board with this?

90% survival for very old people is actually a great rate too... the flu knocks them over at a similar rate. Anything does really.

:facepalm

What a ****ing sham.

[~primetime~]

You guys don't care about old people...understood, got that message a long time ago. That is why senior whites voted Biden this election. Honestly I think it is THE reason Biden won.

But here's another thing...you guys aren't 'locked down'...I go out every day...you can too...if you feel like you're in jail right now, that's on you.

[tpols]

Cali just issued a stay at home order til Christmas... My area on the East coast has a 10 pm curfew and 10 person maximum for home gatherings along with every big gathering venue shutdown... Movies, Concerts, Stadiums... no kids going to school, teachers WFH. Same for offices.

What the are you talking about there's no lockdown? Why do you keep lying over and over?

[~primetime~]

Okay...so YOU tpols...how has your life been affected here?...you personally?

you haven't gone to a concert in a while?...sorry, that falls into the 'whining' category

if you lost your job I *might* be able to get with you here...but even then that would mean youre getting massive unemployment checks to sit at home.

[tpols]

I wasn't even allowed to see my family on thanksgiving... how was I affected? What? And it will likely be that way for Christmas and has been that for every holiday this year. My grandparents are in their late 80s and lonely and I cant even visit them. My grandma even calls it bullshit. I havent been allowed to even go to a restaurant until recently and sit down and eat. Travel bans everywhere as well they were telling people not to leave the state or go anywhere unless for medical supplies. You're ****ing absolutely unbelievable in your deceit.

[~primetime~]

How did they enforce you not seeing your family on Thanksgiving?

The airports were packed for Thanksgiving

[~primetime~]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFCRV7Lq8I

[warriorfan]

This reminds me of gun control debates except far worse.

[Axe]

@Cleverness

[FultzNationRISE]

How did they enforce you not seeing your family on Thanksgiving?

The airports were packed for Thanksgiving

Not everyone lives in Texas. There are tighter travel restrictions in other areas.

Anyway, I'm personally not talking about restrictions per se. I'm talking about the sheer idiocy of buying into this obviously sensationalised propaganda.

You were one of the people who did, and probably still do. "Omg, the old people dying in the same number as they were in every other year. That means you dont care about them! Because covid!"

You're just wrong and stupid about this whole thing, and you won't admit it.


That's why we can't have nice things.

Because guys like you, and MillerTime, and The Man, and Bladefd, and all the rest... you're gullible and partisan, and when you're proven to be foolish or hypocritical, you just dig your toes in and refuse to admit you were wrong. And so the partisan divide continues. Because government authorities on 'your side' will keep pushing nonsense, knowing you'll never call them out on it since you'd have to admit you were a bozo. And they can keep us divided.

[AKA_AAP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJFCRV7Lq8I

Everyone leaving blue states to take vacations in red states or swing states, including the ones that voted for Racist joe biden.

[tpols]

How did they enforce you not seeing your family on Thanksgiving?

The airports were packed for Thanksgiving

No gatherings over 10 people. So I couldnt see any aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, family friends etc. Everybody is cooped into their houses in separate units.

[~primetime~]

No gatherings over 10 people. So I couldnt see any aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents, family friends etc. Everybody is cooped into their houses in separate units.

and your family was really scared they were going to enforce that?...like kick down the door and arrest people until only 10 were remaining?

they aren't enforcing that on the holidays man...come on

[tpols]

I mean... yea you can break the rules, doesn't mean they aren't in place. 95% of people breaking laws don't get caught everytime they're doing it... only once in a while you'll get nabbed. But it worked. Nobody got together outside like 4-5 of their immediate family members. The irony being a lot of the older people in my family think it's overblown and the young people think like you.

[AKA_AAP]

Racist Gavin Newsom demands that everyone in California eat outside their homes in the cold weather, 6 feet apart from everyone, with our facemasks on and only to be taken off if we choose to eat, but we can't chew without a facemask on. We must log everyone's name and address that shows up to our homes, talk and sing quieter than a normal talking voice, and this gathering can't last more than two hours. But we have to make sure this is all done before the 10 pm curfew, or he will threaten to turn off the power in our home. And these are just some of the recently implemented communist laws.

In the meantime:

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/vqh2p9/picture247270659/alternates/FREE_768/Screenshot%20of%20Newsom%20dinner%20tweet

...Maskless and Racist Gavin Newsom and the people around him can break every new communist rule.

[~primetime~]

I mean... yea you can break the rules, doesn't mean they aren't in place. 95% of people breaking laws don't get caught everytime they're doing it... only once in a while you'll get nabbed. But it worked. Nobody got together outside like 4-5 of their immediate family members. The irony being a lot of the older people in my family think it's overblown and the young people think like you.

If they thought like me you guys would have gotten together...instead you were fearful of a law that has 0% chance of being enforced and is just there as a guideline

[AKA_AAP]

If they thought like me you guys would have gotten together...instead you were fearful of a law that has 0% chance of being enforced and is just there as a guideline

0% chance of being enforced? So you're saying all of Commiefornia isn't enforcing this? Every county, every cop? Why do you democrats/communists continue to talk out of your ass? It is enforced, just not at 100%. And these communist laws should of never even been thought of in the United States of America.

[~primetime~]

0% chance of being enforced? So you're saying all of Commiefornia isn't enforcing this? Every county, every cop? Why do you democrats/communists continue to talk out of your ass? It is enforced, just not at 100%. And these communist laws should of never even been thought of in the United States of America.

I don't think he is in Cali...but could you show me where people in Cali were arrested for gathering on Thanksgiving?

[AKA_AAP]

I don't think he is in Cali...but could you show me where people in Cali were arrested for gathering on Thanksgiving?

So you answered my questions with a question? Keep talking out of your ass, properly situated in a red state. There's a reason why you won't ever move to California, because it's the one state in the country that has the highest % of people who vote exactly like you.

[~primetime~]

Cali has gone too far...I'll agree with that...and maybe Texas has spoiled me...but really feels like you guys are exaggerating your situations a great deal. No one is going to stop you from visiting your family members.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't think he is in Cali...but could you show me where people in Cali were arrested for gathering on Thanksgiving?

Here's something amusing that happened in Texas:



Williamson County judge pleads guilty to violating his own stay-at-home order, has to pay $1K fine (https://www.kxan.com/news/local/williamson-county/wilco-judge-pleads-guilty-to-violating-his-own-stay-at-home-order-has-to-pay-1k-fine/)

Dumb bureaucrat abusing his power passes a shutdown law for the plebs, and then immediately turns around and violates it himself. Neighbor notices it and calls the cops :lol

The point is, if the laws existed, the government has the authority to enforce them at their discretion. Most peoples families won't get in trouble, but what about some citizen who's a vocal critic of some public official? Official places a few calls, and suddenly some guy gets arrested on Thanksgiving for because he's been critical of the town comptroller.

I mean primetime

You are STUPID.

YOU'RE A STUPID HUMAN BEING.

STUPID ASS.

[Im Still Ballin]

Woah now -- let's take it down a notch there, partner!

[FultzNationRISE]

Woah now -- let's take it down a notch there, partner!

The country is turning communist before our eyes because low testosterone, idiot simps like primetime just go along with whatever their ugly, dominating wives tell them to think.

Sad!

[Axe]

The country is turning communist before our eyes because low testosterone, idiot simps like primetime just go along with whatever their ugly, dominating wives tell them to think.

Sad!
:(

[tpols]

The country is turning communist before our eyes because low testosterone, idiot simps like primetime just go along with whatever their ugly, dominating wives tell them to think.

Sad!

I do notice something... in the wild, there's way more female than male. You see deer, cow, etc. 95% don't have horns, or antlers.

Shit I just looked it up, even male sheep have horns.

https://learnnaturalfarming.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Male-Sheep-Called-e1580973225222.jpg

:roll:

[Manny98]

can't even really read that...

https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=900&format=jpeg


^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low
Why are you posting an old ass graph from April :facepalm

This is what the CDC says today

https://i.postimg.cc/CLSSg0C2/f9e3a01.jpg

[Manny98]

You guys don't care about old people...understood, got that message a long time ago. That is why senior whites voted Biden this election. Honestly I think it is THE reason Biden won.

But here's another thing...you guys aren't 'locked down'...I go out every day...you can too...if you feel like you're in jail right now, that's on you.
You realize that the mortality rate for old people and seasonal influenza is like 10% right?

When you're past the average life expectancy you're prone to dying from virtually anything

[jstern]

Why are you posting an old ass graph from April :facepalm

This is what the CDC says today

https://i.postimg.cc/CLSSg0C2/f9e3a01.jpg

Thank you Manny98, your chart is inline with my chart, and you seem to be able to understand that the other chart lumps all the China Virus deaths together, including those at the beginning of the "Plague." Thus not showing how the trend has evolved, the death rate getting smaller and smaller, leading to the latest numbers.

I underestimated you in the past. You're turning out to be one of the more highly aware posters.

[~primetime~]

You realize that the mortality rate for old people and seasonal influenza is like 10% right?

When you're past the average life expectancy you're prone to dying from virtually anything

Lol no its not where did you get that?

https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Flu kills ~30k a year in the US
Covid will kill ~300k this year

Really that's the only stat you need to know

[jstern]

Lol no its not where did you get that?

https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Flu kills ~30k a year in the US
Covid will kill ~300k this year

Really that's the only stat you need to know

I'm sorry. I try to let people be, but :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

It's the same as a bad flu as of today. You're using old data.

[~primetime~]

? Even those "updated" numbers manny posted, and your own, blow the flu numbers out of the water.

Again, flu kills ~30k a year, covid will ~300k

[Cleverness]

JFC PRIMETIME HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS!? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486858-538-is-giving-Biden-a-90-chance-of-winning-the-election&p=14173825&viewfull=1#post14173825)

CFR IS NOT EQUAL TO IFR

CFR ≠ IFR
CFR ≠ IFR
CFR ≠ IFR

1. CFR ≠ IFR
2. Your image above compares flu IFR to COVID CFR - thanks to Tedros and that business insider article, that has been one of the most misleading images of the entire year.
3. This is the actual CDC estimate for COVID-19 survival rates if infected:

https://www.kusi.com/content/uploads/2020/09/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg

Manny- please use this one above instead - as 4point correctly pointed out, your photo's ifr numbers should not have "%" following the numbers.

[warriorfan]

JFC PRIMETIME HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS!? (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486858-538-is-giving-Biden-a-90-chance-of-winning-the-election&p=14173825&viewfull=1#post14173825)

CFR IS NOT EQUAL TO IFR

CFR ≠ IFR
CFR ≠ IFR
CFR ≠ IFR

1. CFR ≠ IFR
2. Your image above compares flu IFR to COVID CFR - thanks to Tedros and that business insider article, that has been one of the most misleading images of the entire year.
3. This is the actual CDC estimate for COVID-19 survival rates if infected:

https://www.kusi.com/content/uploads/2020/09/COVID-19-survival-rates.jpg

Manny- please use this one above instead - as 4point correctly pointed out, your photo's ifr numbers should not have "%" following the numbers.

Primetime is legit f.ucking retarded. Don’t spend too much time trying to spell stuff out for him, it’s a futile struggle.

[~primetime~]

uh...those numbers are the exact same numbers that Manny just posted :hammerhead:...and close to the same numbers as the OP

those CDC numbers are about 5x-6x higher death rate than the CDC Flu numbers...so if you guys love the CDC so much, they are saying this is much deadlier than flu.

Trump stripped the CDC of all covid data though...hospitals are not allowed to admit data to them any more

[Stanley Kobrick]

can't even really read that...

https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=900&format=jpeg


^^^ that's what the CDC says

so yeah, most posting in here are 0.1%...very low


Lol no its not where did you get that?

https://i.insider.com/5e81f6460c2a6261b1771b05?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Flu kills ~30k a year in the US
Covid will kill ~300k this year

Really that's the only stat you need to know
Fascinating data, high IQ post. Good to see the worlds greatest minds coming together to quickly develop treatment and a vaccine in the upcoming months. Worldwide science and medical community risking their health daily to keep us safe. Dr Fauci Time magazine persons of the year, respectfully and unanimously
:cheers:

[~primetime~]

:cheers:

yeah that's another thing...these debates about covid are becoming pointless

There are multiple vaccines that have all had tremendous success in their trials and mid December will be rolled out to "at risk people" (old people).

Once the people who die from this are protected, which looks to be very soon, it will all be over

[Stanley Kobrick]

:cheers:

yeah that's another thing...these debates about covid are becoming pointless

There are multiple vaccines that have all had tremendous success in their trials and mid December will be rolled out to "at risk people" (old people).

Once the people who die from this are protected, which looks to be very soon, it will all be over
:cheers:

[Stanley Kobrick]

:(
:(



https://youtu.be/D2hUG7zMTO0?t=62

[Cleverness]

uh...those numbers are the exact same numbers that Manny just posted :hammerhead:...and close to the same numbers as the OP

those CDC numbers are about 5x-6x higher death rate than the CDC Flu numbers...so if you guys love the CDC so much, they are saying this is much deadlier than flu.

Trump stripped the CDC of all covid data though...hospitals are not allowed to admit data to them any more

Wrong again. I said his IFR numbers are incorrect - and they are.

COVID-19 has a higher death rate than seasonal flu in the elder half of the population, but not the younger half. What's important to look amount of life lost. Median age of death w/ COVID is above average life expectancy.

On average, people who die with COVID-19 lived longer than people who died without COVID-19.

100,000 dead children is much different than 100,000 dead 80 year olds dying of natural deaths (who were already dying of other illnesses).

But... what's more important here is the response to a virus that was already spreading in 2019. Slow the spread so hospitals aren't overwhelmed? It's hospitalization rate is LOWER than seasonal flu. We needed to keep hospitalizations under 10.3 million over 12 months; we're currently at 0.75 million after 9 months (for comparison, the 2017-2018 flu hospitalized 0.8 million in roughly 4 months).

We should have opened everything in April when hospitals were empty and field hospitals were torn down after seeing zero patients.

We're destroying our children, our youth, our future, our country (and what it stands for), and doing our best CCP impression, buying into China's propaganda. Trump's team took the bait - don't be stupid like them.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1270925788389486593.html

[Nanners]

You guys don't care about old people...understood, got that message a long time ago. That is why senior whites voted Biden this election. Honestly I think it is THE reason Biden won.

But here's another thing...you guys aren't 'locked down'...I go out every day...you can too...if you feel like you're in jail right now, that's on you.

If youre going to say that the people who are skeptical about the lockdowns and fatality rates "dont care about old people"... Then by your own logic, the people who let their fear of the virus dictate their actions and advocate for harsher lockdowns and more restrictions -


dont care about the skyrocketing rates of depression/anxiety or the skyrocketing number of suicides

dont care about the skyrocketing rates of drug abuse/relapse/overdose

dont care about increasing rates of abuse for women and children who are trapped indoors all day with their abusers

dont care about the millions of americans who cannot pay rent and will be evicted the moment these eviction moratoriums end

dont care about the countless people who have lost their life savings or the small business they spent years or decades building.

I'll gladly take responsibility for all those dead seniors if lockdown supporters are willing to take responsibility for all the death/pain/suffering they are causing with their policies.

[~primetime~]

I'm not in favor of another lockdown. In my eyes the US is open for the most part sans concerts and night clubs.

[Kblaze8855]

Where would you say the restrictions are most severe? Id kinda like to see how the people in the worst areas are doing. What is still closed?

Being in the south I dont really notice much difference aside from masks. I think(think) everything is open and has been for a long time. They brought gyms back when it was still summer and I think that was the last thing to return.

Id like to hear from some of our midwest and north east posters.

What cant you do right now?

[~primetime~]

Yep Texas has been open for months now...water parks were open in the summer. So listening to some of these people act like theyre in jail comes off like over dramatic whining to me. But I dont live in Cali so maybe they do have it bad and I'm spoiled IDK

[Nanners]

I'm not in favor of another lockdown. In my eyes the US is open for the most part sans concerts and night clubs.

Well I am glad to hear that your governor is relatively sane and hasnt insituted any absurd lockdown measures... in my state we currently have a curfew of 9pm, restaurants arent open for anything other than takeout, and tons of businesses like gyms and barber shops are shut down indefinitely.

Anyway, if you arent in favor of more lockdowns then why do you want to kill grandma so much? Theres no escape from some kind of blame here, either you want to kill grandma or you want to kill virtually every one else in this country... thats how this works :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

What does a 9pm curfew entail? what are the details? Does that just mean restaurants and bars have to shut down at 9pm?

[Kblaze8855]

I was curious about that myself. With all the exceptions it seems a fairly toothless requirement. Granted....they all are. If enough people just go outside at the same time it doesn’t matter what was ordered. They have the power the people choose to give them.

[Charlie Sheen]

What does a 9pm curfew entail? what are the details? Does that just mean restaurants and bars have to shut down at 9pm?
The curfew was the dumbest idea ever. We just came from a summer where tensions between the police and the people were boiling over. The curfew grants police ridiculous power to stop anyone they want to after 10pm for "public safety".

Literally, the curfew in california is that... no one is supposed to leave their home after 10pm unless they have an essential worker or emergency reason. It's not being enforced like that... thank goodness.

[Nanners]

What does a 9pm curfew entail? what are the details? Does that just mean restaurants and bars have to shut down at 9pm?

I dunno exactly what it entails, and I dont really think its legally enforceable (like most of these lockdown rules)... I just know that my governor says that you arent supposed to be outside of your house after 9pm unless you are an "essential worker" or its an "emergency"

restaurants and bars are already shut down, so thats not the purpose... the curfew is supposedly intended to prevent average citizens from being outside of their house for any reason whatsoever

[~primetime~]

That does sound stupid to me...like covid is more contagious when the sun goes down for some reason?

I can understand breaking up overly packed night clubs and bars where drunk people are shoulder to shoulder yelling at each other over loud music, so if that is the overall thought process behind the curfew...okay I guess. But outside of the late night party crowd I don't I don't see the point.

[warriorfan]

PrimeTime: I’m against lockdowns. There are no places even locked down right now to my knowledge.

Non crazy person: Actually there are millions of people in multiple states under lockdown right now.

PrimeTime: What’s your definition of lockdown?


:roll:

[~primetime~]

yeah so if you actually read I said that I'm not locked down here in Texas but maybe others have it bad IDK

try reading

also...you're not actually locked down...you can leave your home lol

[Nanners]

That does sound stupid to me...like covid is more contagious when the sun goes down for some reason?

I can understand breaking up overly packed night clubs and bars where drunk people are shoulder to shoulder yelling at each other over loud music, so if that is the overall thought process behind the curfew...okay I guess. But outside of the late night party crowd I don't I don't see the point.

It is incredibly stupid... the bars are already shut down, aside from private house parties nobody is out late at night partying right now.

The idea that covid is more contagious when the sun goes down is especially laughable considering my city (Portland, the only thing resembling a big city in the entire state) recently had nightly "mostly peaceful" protests (aka riots) for 100+ days straight, and never once did our governor say anything about the covid rammifications of these riots. Virtually every single night, starting at George Floyds death and ending around the election, there were hundreds of anarchists out on the streets until 1 or 2 am trying to burn down a court house or police station or whatever other building they were angry at.... but the curfew only started a couple weeks ago now that the protests are finally done.

[Cleverness]

If youre going to say that the people who are skeptical about the lockdowns and fatality rates "dont care about old people"... Then by your own logic, the people who let their fear of the virus dictate their actions and advocate for harsher lockdowns and more restrictions -


dont care about the skyrocketing rates of depression/anxiety or the skyrocketing number of suicides

dont care about the skyrocketing rates of drug abuse/relapse/overdose

dont care about increasing rates of abuse for women and children who are trapped indoors all day with their abusers

dont care about the millions of americans who cannot pay rent and will be evicted the moment these eviction moratoriums end

dont care about the countless people who have lost their life savings or the small business they spent years or decades building.

I'll gladly take responsibility for all those dead seniors if lockdown supporters are willing to take responsibility for all the death/pain/suffering they are causing with their policies.

Add seniors dying alone, dying without a funeral, millions of them prevented from seeing their friends/family, and all the revenue lost to pay for Medicare & social security.

These lockdown/mask advocates had no plan in April, May, June, July, August, September, and October. No clear achievable goal/objectives.

100 million infections and counting. (https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/11/26/939365087/government-model-suggests-u-s-covid-19-cases-could-be-approaching-100-million)Viral spread completely out of control w/ mask use at all-time high (92%+ nationally). (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/10/poll-increasing-bipartisan-majority-americans-support-mask-wearing/)

The entire point of slowing the spread was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed.

We needed to keep hospitalizations under 10.3 million over 12 months; we're currently at 0.75 million over 9 months. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?481119-New-York-Times-These-Places-Could-Run-Out-of-Hospital-Beds-as-Coronavirus-Spreads/page2)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK40AmUwAEeEfe?format=png&name=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoK41sYUUAAvW8k?format=png&name=medium

It's going to be interesting to see the historians write about this.

"The greatest health crisis of our lives - and hospitals set record low census." :rolleyes:

[Cleverness]

It is incredibly stupid... the bars are already shut down, aside from private house parties nobody is out late at night partying right now.

The idea that covid is more contagious when the sun goes down is especially laughable considering my city (Portland, the only thing resembling a big city in the entire state) recently had nightly "mostly peaceful" protests (aka riots) for 100+ days straight, and never once did our governor say anything about the covid rammifications of these riots. Virtually every single night, starting at George Floyds death and ending around the election, there were hundreds of anarchists out on the streets until 1 or 2 am trying to burn down a court house or police station or whatever other building they were angry at.... but the curfew only started a couple weeks ago now that the protests are finally done.

22 million people gathered for George Floyd, largest protest in history. ZERO known covid-19 hospitalizations/deaths linked it (many non-covid hospitalizations/deaths linked to it tho lol)

"Well it's ok most had a piece of cloth on their face just like the people of Peru did as they hit #1 in covid deaths/capita worldwide"

Yeah, I'm sure none of those 22 million people gathered privately in homes/cars before/after commuting to/from the gatherings. :rolleyes:

[Cleverness]

Where would you say the restrictions are most severe? Id kinda like to see how the people in the worst areas are doing. What is still closed?

Well I'm in California.

8.5 months (and counting) of:

-6 million children shut out of school (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4vkJp0Nw28)
-My local gym has been shutdown almost entire time
-Movie theaters, concerts, shows, and sporting events shut down, and in turn, all the businesses surrounding these things are shut down, and many who supply/work with these businesses
-family dying alone in hospitals, no funerals
-masks required virtually everywhere
-intl travel still banned
-walmart, target, amazon open 100% entire time

again, the entire point of slowing the spread was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. We needed to keep hospitalizations under 10.3 million over 12 months; we're currently at 0.75 million over 9 months and roughly the same number of predicted infections back in March. Let me know what you think about the data.

[Nanners]

22 million people gathered for George Floyd, largest protest in history. ZERO known covid-19 hospitalizations/deaths linked it (many non-covid hospitalizations/deaths linked to it tho lol)

"Well it's ok most had a piece of cloth on their face just like the people of Peru did as they hit #1 in covid deaths/capita worldwide"

Yeah, I'm sure none of those 22 million people gathered privately in homes/cars before/after commuting to/from the gatherings. :rolleyes:

:oldlol:

The widespread claims that the massive BLM protest groups didnt spread the virus are pretty hilarious (the lockdown protests and trump rallies are highly contagious tho).

To me the most hilarious protest related covid claim was that article that said according to the "expert" "scientists" - "BLM protests may have slowed the spread of covid in Denver and other cities"

https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/


The researchers found that protests correlated with a net increase in overall stay-at-home behavior in cities where they occurred — and the increase was larger in cities that saw more sustained protests or reports of violence.

I think these "researchers" are on to something, in order to fully vanquish covid, we just need to fill the streets with enough violence and terror that people will be terrified to leave their homes!

[Nanners]

BTW in case you didnt see this link in the covid thread, I think you might enjoy this song

https://dudenamedjames.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/JeffSmith-BuildBackBetter.mp3