Top 25 Point Guards of All-Time Voting Part 5: Players 21-25

[L.Kizzle]

Select and rank the last five (players 21 through 25) of the greatest POINT GUARDS of All-Time. A 48 Hour window will be given to make your choices or debate why said player should or shouldn’t be here. After 48 Hours, the final five will be selected and another five will be added to the pool of players.


Players to Choose From:
Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
Bob Davies
Calvin Murphy
Deron Williams
Derrick Rose
Gilbert Arenas
Gus Williams
Jo Jo White
Kyrie Irving
Mark Price
Maurice Cheeks
Norm Van Lier
Rajon Rondo
Slater Martin
Tim Hardaway


& Three Wildcards
Kyle Lowry
Micheal Ray Richardson
Sam Cassell


Top 25 Point Guards: 1-20
1 'Magic' Johnson
2 Stephen Curry
3 Oscar Robertson
4 Isiah Thomas
5 Chris Paul
6 Steve Nash
7 John Stockton
8 Jason Kidd
9 Walt 'Clyde' Frazier
9 Gary Payton
11 Bob Cousy
12 Russell Westbrook
13 Tony Parker
14 Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
15 Chauncey Billups
16 Damian Lillard
17 Dennis Johnson
18 Lenny Wilkens
19 Dave Bing
20 Kevin Johnson


Voting Results
Number of Voters - 9
Number of Players Receiving Votes - 12


Damian Lillard (4) 1st Place / (3) 3rd Place = 55 Points
Dennis Johnson (3) 1st Place / (2) 2nd Place / (2) 3rd Place = 54 Points
Lenny Wilkens (3) 2nd Place / (1) 3rd Place / (1) 4th Place = 29 Points
Dave Bing (2) 1st Place / (1) 3rd Place / (2) 5th Place = 27 Points
Kevin Johnson (2) 2nd Place / (3) 4th Place = 23 Points
Tim Hardaway (3) 4th Place / (3) 5th Place = 12 Points
Derrick Rose (1) 2nd Place / (1) 4th Place / (1) 5th Place = 11 Points
Rajon Rondo (1) 3rd Place / (1) 4th Place = 8 Points
Mark Price (1) 2nd Place = 7 Points
Kyrie Irving (1) 3rd Place = 5 Points
Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway (2) 5th Place = 2 Points
Jo Jo White (1) 5th Place = 1 Point


Voting Criteria
Five Seasons or more played in the NBA
1st = 10 Pts
2nd = 7 Pts
3rd = 5 Pts
4th = 3 Pts
5th = 1 Pt

Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-4-Players-16-20 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487778-Top-25-Point-Guards-of-All-Time-Voting-Part-4-Players-16-20)

[72-10]

wow, so many options

most of them excellent choices

I'm surprised ya'll have passed on Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway to this point, considering what a good ball distributor they were, and that despite this, getting them the ball would be key

btw where did you list LeBron?

Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Calvin "Pocket Rocket" Murphy
Kyrie Irving
Deron Williams

I've always thought that Lenny Wilkens was among the least deserving members of the NBA's 50th Anniversary Team - additionally, I don't think Jo Jo White deserves the Hall of Fame.

[L.Kizzle]

wow, so many options

most of them excellent choices

I'm surprised ya'll have passed on Anfernee "Penny" Hardaway to this point, considering what a good ball distributor they were, and that despite this, getting them the ball would be key

btw where did you list LeBron?

Penny Hardaway
Tim Hardaway
Calvin "Pocket Rocket" Murphy
Kyrie Irving
Deron Williams

I've always thought that Lenny Wilkens was among the least deserving members of the NBA's 50th Anniversary Team - additionally, I don't think Jo Jo White deserves the Hall of Fame.
Lenny Wilkens was very consistent. Probably the number 5 guard of the 60s.

Behind Oscar, West, Hal and Sam Jones. He has double the All-Star appearances as Sam Jones.

[tanibanana]

J. White
T. Hardaway
S. Martin
A. Hardaway
K. Irving

...past #20th is really hard

[RRR3]

Why is Lowry a wildcard? It’s an objective fact that he’s added more total value to his teams over his career than a lot of the players you mentioned.


21. Tim Hardaway
22. Kyle Lowry
23. Jo Jo White
24. Maurice Cheeks
25. Idk. Kyrie I guess.

[RRR3]

Also I’m surprised guys like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Baron Davis and Guy Rodgers weren’t listed. Amongst others.

[L.Kizzle]

Why is Lowry a wildcard? It’s an objective fact that he’s added more total value to his teams over his career than a lot of the players you mentioned.


21. Tim Hardaway
22. Kyle Lowry
23. Jo Jo White
24. Maurice Cheeks
25. Idk. Kyrie I guess.
No particular reason. Brandon Roy, Peja and Draymond were wildcard in my other position threads.

[L.Kizzle]

Also I’m surprised guys like Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Baron Davis and Guy Rodgers weren’t listed. Amongst others.
There were so many. My last subtraction was Norm Nixon. I literally switched him out for Slater Martin at the last minute.

My cutoff was right around the Terry Porter/Mark Jackson range.

[72-10]

Why is Lowry a wildcard? It’s an objective fact that he’s added more total value to his teams over his career than a lot of the players you mentioned.


21. Tim Hardaway
22. Kyle Lowry
23. Jo Jo White
24. Maurice Cheeks
25. Idk. Kyrie I guess.

That's true, but I still wouldn't list him above the likes of most of these greats except for Bob Davies and maybe Slater Martin. Others worth mentioning are Mike Bibby and Jason "White Chocolate".

[L.Kizzle]

That's true, but I still wouldn't list him above the likes of most of these greats except for Bob Davies and maybe Slater Martin. Others worth mentioning are Mike Bibby and Jason "White Chocolate".
Bibby or Williams didn't cross my mind. Maybe for a top 50 PG list.
They're behind guys like Moore Blaylock, Terrell Brandon and 50s players like Andy Phillip, Dock Mcguire.

[72-10]

they're both substantially better than Mookie, although he was great, too. Bibby out of Point Guard U and Jason with the sick as fvck passes. don't sleep on Andre Miller

[Rahm Emanuel]

He may not have any rings and was repeatedly snubbed by all star voters but in his prime Rod Strickland was your favorite point guard's favorite point guard!

[xohap38721]

Why is Lowry a wildcard? It’s an objective fact that he’s added more total value to his teams over his career than a lot of the players you mentioned postalexperience.com/pos
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21. Tim Hardaway
22. Kyle Lowry
23. Jo Jo White
24. Maurice Cheeks
25. Idk. Kyrie I guess.
my list has been change why you put IDK KYRIE in last it was great player a
of all time so this change will be in your list.

[Manny98]

1. Price
2. Kyrie
3. Lowry
4. Tim
5. Penny

[RRR3]

they're both substantially better than Mookie, although he was great, too. Bibby out of Point Guard U and Jason with the sick as fvck passes. don't sleep on Andre Miller
Jason Williams ****ing sucked, what the hell are you talking about? :oldlol: Flashy passes don’t make you a good player.

Bibby was quite good tho.

[72-10]

Jason Williams ****ing sucked, what the hell are you talking about? :oldlol: Flashy passes don’t make you a good player.

Bibby was quite good tho.

R U a glutton for pain?:roll::facepalm

[dankok8]

21. Rondo
22. Jo Jo
23. Rose
24. Kyrie
25. Tim Hardaway

Arenas and Penny could get votes but should be listed as SG's...

[L.Kizzle]

21. Rondo
22. Jo Jo
23. Rose
24. Kyrie
25. Tim Hardaway

Arenas and Penny could get votes but should be listed as SG's...we
Why listed as SG?
They were literally PGs tho.

I get why you say Penny but all of his success seasons he was a PG. He played SG in like New York and Phoenix tho ...

[RRR3]

There is no universe in which Derrick Rose has had a better career than Kyle Lowry or Tim Hardaway. The man legit had 1.5 seasons as a superstar, 1 more as an all-star and has been anywhere from bad to solid the rest of his career. **** outta here.

[Hakkim90cc]

Kyrie
Tim Hardaway
Dwill
Rondo
Penny

[L.Kizzle]

There is no universe in which Derrick Rose has had a better career than Kyle Lowry or Tim Hardaway. The man legit had 1.5 seasons as a superstar, 1 more as an all-star and has been anywhere from bad to solid the rest of his career. **** outta here.
He has an MVP, that counts for something. Those never sniffed an MVP award.
And I'd say 3-4 seasons. Not a lot but Earl Monroe is only a 4 time All-Star.

[dankok8]

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Why listed as SG?
They were literally PGs tho.

I get why you say Penny but all of his success seasons he was a PG. He played SG in like New York and Phoenix tho ...

Penny was a kind of a combo guard I guess. Arenas was definitely an SG though with the way he played.

These kind of players always suffer on all-time rankings because some people consider them one way and some another.

[dankok8]

There is no universe in which Derrick Rose has had a better career than Kyle Lowry or Tim Hardaway. The man legit had 1.5 seasons as a superstar, 1 more as an all-star and has been anywhere from bad to solid the rest of his career. **** outta here.

Rose peaked so much higher than the other guys though. Completely different tier...

[RRR3]

He has an MVP, that counts for something. Those never sniffed an MVP award.
And I'd say 3-4 seasons. Not a lot but Earl Monroe is only a 4 time All-Star.
What seasons was he a superstar besides 2011 and 2012? :biggums:

[L.Kizzle]

What seasons was he a superstar besides 2011 and 2012? :biggums:
He was a 3 time all star and one of his comeback seasons he was pretty good.

[RRR3]

He was a 3 time all star and one of his comeback seasons he was pretty good.
I said superstar, not all star or “pretty good”. Rose is literally getting mentioned here for 1.5 seasons.

[Axe]

Yeah i believe d-rose was elite for more than a year but it became shortlived when the 2012 postseason arrived.

During that time, he led the bulls to two-consecutive top seeds in the eastern conference and one trip to the conference finals. Sucks to see that's just that tho.

[L.Kizzle]

I said superstar, not all star or “pretty good”. Rose is literally getting mentioned here for 1.5 seasons.
You voted Maurice Cheeks tho.

[Charlie Sheen]

Why is Lowry a wildcard? It’s an objective fact that he’s added more total value to his teams over his career than a lot of the players you mentioned.


21. Tim Hardaway
22. Kyle Lowry
23. Jo Jo White
24. Maurice Cheeks
25. Idk. Kyrie I guess.

If added value is your main criteria, why doesn't sam i am make your 25?

[RRR3]

Yeah i believe d-rose was elite for more than a year but it became shortlived when the 2012 postseason arrived.

During that time, he led the bulls to two-consecutive top seeds in the eastern conference and one trip to the conference finals. Sucks to see that's just that tho.
Thanks Magic.

[Charlie Sheen]

Price
Timbug
Sam
Penny

[L.Kizzle]

Price
Timbug
Sam
Penny
That is only 4.

[Charlie Sheen]

That is only 4.

i know, i couldn't decide on a 5 between rose, deron, kyrie and lowry. I guess, I'm feeling the best about Rose. He can be 5