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And1AllDay
11-30-2020, 10:42 PM
why did mike only led his offense twice and pippen led it 4 times?

scottie has led his team to a ring four times
91, 92, 96, 98

mike has led his team to a ring two times
93, 97

mike has been out assisted by a teammate in 4 of 6 runs

Shooter
11-30-2020, 11:38 PM
Pippen led MJ three times!

Mike needed someone to lead the offense for half of his chips. LeBron never needed that type of help because LeBron WAS the offensive leader:


https://i.postimg.cc/sD2cdjZP/Pipper-Over-MJ.png

Vino24
11-30-2020, 11:40 PM
3ball lurking (fresh off a ban) not yet ease into it!

Shooter
11-30-2020, 11:44 PM
3ball lurking (fresh off a ban) not yet ease into it!

+1

3ball
11-30-2020, 11:50 PM
Pippen led MJ three times!

Mike needed someone to lead the offense for half of his chips. LeBron never needed that type of help because LeBron WAS the offensive leader:


https://i.postimg.cc/sD2cdjZP/Pipper-Over-MJ.png


Lots of guys are like lebron though because lots of guys lead in assists every time, like Magic, Isiah, Nash or Stockton

But only 1 guy led in scoring for every playoff run... and by 10-20 ppg margin every time!!! (carry-job)... Infact, he led every series by 10-30 ppg!!

This matters because Kareem and Worthy outscored Magic for entire playoff runs, while Wade and AD outscored Lebron in 11' and 20' (Kyrie matched him in 16')... And Kobe outscored Shaq and vice versa..

So everyone in history needed a "Jordan" capable of outscoring them, while Jordan only needed a Pippen, who averaged 10-30 less than Jordan in every series (with less career apg)..

Essentially, Jordan is the first Jordan (someone that just needs a pippen), while everyone else in history is a pippen that needs a Jordan (someone to outscore them)..

so needing just pippen is unprecedented and infact goat, not a knock - everyone else had a 1a/1b situation, while MJ had a true 2nd option that scored far less and wasn't a big scorer

And1AllDay
04-22-2021, 12:04 AM
Pippen led MJ three times!

Mike needed someone to lead the offense for half of his chips. LeBron never needed that type of help because LeBron WAS the offensive leader:


https://i.postimg.cc/sD2cdjZP/Pipper-Over-MJ.png

wow pippen was the floor general for three full chips over mike

crazy

mike wasnt even the offense leader :oldol: or the defense leader :oldlol:

he was a scorer allen inverson

light
04-22-2021, 12:05 AM
why did mike only led his offense twice and pippen led it 4 times?

scottie has led his team to a ring four times
91, 92, 96, 98

mike has led his team to a ring two times
93, 97

mike has been out assisted by a teammate in 4 of 6 runs

mike was a black hole. the bulls game plan was to find ways to trick jordan into passing.

And1AllDay
04-22-2021, 12:07 AM
mike was a black hole. the bulls game plan was to find ways to trick jordan into passing.

mike was not even the leader of his team

phil jackson and scottie pippen were

ELITEpower23
11-06-2021, 08:46 PM
Pippen led MJ three times!

Mike needed someone to lead the offense for half of his chips. LeBron never needed that type of help because LeBron WAS the offensive leader:


https://i.postimg.cc/sD2cdjZP/Pipper-Over-MJ.png

So Pippen led his Bulls 50%, MJ led 50% and LeBron led 100% of the time. Nice to know.

3ba11
11-06-2021, 09:01 PM
How many times did Lebron carry the scoring load in the Finals or beat a top 5 SRS team while teammates play poorly (carry-job against a good team)?