What was the toughest chip in the past 30 years?

[Gus Hemmingway]

Pick

[Bronbron23]

Pick

Dirk and mavs easily. Dirk beat one of the best super teams ever with no other stars to speak of. Bron in 2016 is probably second.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Dirk and mavs easily. Dirk beat one of the best super teams ever with no other stars to speak of. Bron in 2016 is probably second.


Both Dirk and LeBron didn’t have any all stars

But LeBron beat a 73 win team, Dirk only beat a 58 win team

[1987_Lakers]

I cant think of anything more impressive than being down 3-1 vs a 73 win team and coming back to win

[Bronbron23]

Both Dirk and LeBron didn’t have any all stars

But LeBron beat a 73 win team, Dirk only beat a 58 win team

Nah dude bron had kyrie who's a star and put up almost 30 a game in the finals. Dirk had a bunch of role players.

And if bron is the goat like you claim than that means dirk beat the goat in his prime with a top 5 scorer and top 10 scorer. That's way more impressive than the warriors regular season meaningless record

[TheCorporation]

2016 LeBron beat 3 All-NBAs vs 1.

Never been done before in NBA Finals history

[Bronbron23]

2016 LeBron beat 3 All-NBAs vs 1.

Never been done before in NBA Finals history

Kyrie was obviously an all star if not for missing games due to an injury. That's just a troll statement. Again if bron is the goat than that means dirk beat the goat plus 2 all stars one being wade was top 5 at the time. Thar miami heat team was better than the 16 warriors and yall trolls know it.

[tpols]

Funny thing is Cleveland was +280 odds to win the title at the begining of the 2016 season. Warriors were +480 so solid underdogs but they overachieved with their talent by having perfect teamwork.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Funny thing is Cleveland was +280 odds to win the title at the begining of the 2016 season. Warriors were +480 so solid underdogs but they overachieved with their talent by having perfect teamwork.

Did Lakers overachieve this year as they weren’t pre season title favorites

[8Ball]

Did Lakers overachieve this year as they weren’t pre season title favorites

https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Two-Buttons.jpg

[tpols]

Did Lakers overachieve this year as they weren’t pre season title favorites

Lakers were +450 this year. Clippers were +425. That's a coin flip by odds standards. Warriors Cavs was a much bigger gap.

[8Ball]

Oct 7, 2019

Clippers 7/2
Lakers 4/1
Bucks 6/1


Looks like LeBron overachieved yet again being the underdog.

[jalbert009]

Nah dude bron had kyrie who's a star and put up almost 30 a game in the finals. Dirk had a bunch of role players.

And if bron is the goat like you claim than that means dirk beat the goat in his prime with a top 5 scorer and top 10 scorer. That's way more impressive than the warriors regular season meaningless record

Dude. You just killed this guy. Game over! and Yes I agree. Dirk's ring was the hardest to get in the past 30 years with the help he had that year. He had no business being in the finals let alone upsetting the Self Proclaimed King Not 1.. Not 2.. Not 3.. Not 4.. Not 5.. Not 6.. Not 7.. :lol

[Gus Hemmingway]

Oct 7, 2019

Clippers 7/2
Lakers 4/1
Bucks 6/1


Looks like LeBron overachieved yet again being the underdog.

Got em

[TheCorporation]

2016 LeBron beat 3 All-NBAs vs 1.

Never been done before in NBA Finals history

Will it ever happpen again?

[trada7029]

.
Toughest rings based ranked by average SRS of opponents since 1990


Team Year F/CF/CSF/FR (Average SRS)

HOU 1995 6.44/5.90/3.85/7.76 (5.9875 average) <---46.8% higher than median
LAL 2001 3.63/7.92/6.07/4.52 (5.535 average)
CHI 1992 7.97/5.56/5.51/1.77 (5.2025 average)
LAL 2002 3.67/7.61/6.28/3.21 (5.1925 average)
LAL 2000 4.15/6.36/5.24/3.04 (4.6975 average)
DAL 2011 6.76/3.81/6.01/1.84 (4.605 average)
CLE 2016 10.38/4.08/3.49/0.43 (4.595 average)
SAS 2014 4.15/6.66/4.44/2.91 (4.54 average)
HOU 1994 6.48/4.10/4.68/2.59 (4.4625 average)
CHI 1996 6.27/5.87/6.30/-0.67 (4.4425 average)
TOR 2019 6.42/8.04/2.25/0.28 (4.2475 average)
LAL 2010 3.37/4.67/5.33/3.55 (4.23 average)
SAS 2003 4.42/7.90/2.71/1.56 (4.1475 average)
CHI 1993 7.40/5.40/2.24/1.46 (4.125 average)
CHI 1991 5.73/6.25/2.45/1.88 (4.0775 average) <---median
LAL 2009 6.48/3.12/3.73/2.31 (3.9075 average)
SAS 2007 3.33/3.06/7.28/1.69 (3.84 average)
SAS 2005 3.31/7.08/2.59/2.23 (3.8025 average)
DET 1990 6.38/2.13/4.11/1.26 (3.47 average)
MIA 2006 5.96/6.24/1.11/0.51 (3.455 average)
GSW 2017 2.87/7.13/4.00/-0.23 (3.4425 average)
MIA 2012 6.44/2.26/2.59/2.39 (3.42 average)
GSW 2018 0.59/8.21/1.48/2.89 (3.2925 average)
GSW 2015 4.08/3.82/3.62/1.13 (3.1625 average)
CHI 1997 6.94/5.34/3.67/(-3.94) (3.0025 average)
DET 2004 4.35/4.93/1.88/0.42 (2.895 average)
BOS 2008 7.34/6.67/-0.53/-2.23 (2.8125 average)
CHI 1998 6.73/3.08/-0.39/-0.43 (2.2475 average)
SAS 1999 1.45/5.67/2.67/-0.17 (2.405 average)
MIA 2013 6.67/3.34/-0.02/-1.83 (2.04 average)
LAL 2020 2.59/2.35/3.13/-0.61 (1.865 average) <---54.2% lower than median



Jordan has the most runs in the top 15

[Stanley Kobrick]

i believe 2020 was the most difficult for the sole fact no team had home court advantage. it was just raw basketball talent at the most fundamental level and even playing field. no momentum swings, no referee treatment, all players healed from injuries over break. whoever made it out the bubble overcame severe conditions that the league has never seen, along with so much burden in 2020. kobes death, sterns death, coronavirus, away from family friends, mask wearing, etcetera etcetera

[trada7029]

i believe 2020 was the most difficult for the sole fact no team had home court advantage. it was just raw basketball talent at the most fundamental level and even playing field. no momentum swings, no referee treatment, all players healed from injuries over break. whoever made it out the bubble overcame severe conditions that the league has never seen, along with so much burden in 2020. kobes death, sterns death, coronavirus, away from family friends, mask wearing, etcetera etcetera

Everyone faced those same conditions

So no

Only 1 guy had the playoff scoring leader as a teammate

[Stanley Kobrick]

Everyone faced those same conditions


everyone in 2020, yes. prior to the league has never had such harsh conditions and mental adversity. we saw the talent drop off dramatically from player to player inside the bubble. from giannis, to kawhi, to dame, to harden, to luka all failed to adapt in early rounds. stephen curry completely missed the playoffs, as did bogdan ingraham. only the strongest were able to evolve and rise above the rest, reaching the Finals. which is why i am a big fan of jimmy now, who also owned and ran his personal coffee shop for players inside the bubble.

[VictorMosquito]

2011. Dirk vs 3 HOFers all in primes stacking the deck to the top of the toilet bowl.

[Young X]

Has to be the Rockets two championships. They played in 7 elimination games over those two years and won all of them.

[SATAN]

luka all failed to adapt in early rounds. stephen curry completely missed the playoffs, as did bogdan ingraham.

...What??

[VictorMosquito]

everyone in 2020, yes. prior to the league has never had such harsh conditions and mental adversity. we saw the talent drop off dramatically from player to player inside the bubble. from giannis, to kawhi, to dame, to harden, to luka all failed to adapt in early rounds. stephen curry completely missed the playoffs, as did bogdan ingraham. only the strongest were able to evolve and rise above the rest, reaching the Finals. which is why i am a big fan of jimmy now, who also owned and ran his personal coffee shop for players inside the bubble.
so the playing field was even. Lakers were heavy favorites in the Finals and didn't have to face the Clippers. lebron not having to deal with fan pressure made it even easier as he falls short in a fan atmosphere more than any superstar in nba history.

[VictorMosquito]

Dirk and mavs easily. Dirk beat one of the best super teams ever with no other stars to speak of. Bron in 2016 is probably second.

yep 100%. anyone saying lebron is trolling

[VictorMosquito]

2016 LeBron beat 3 All-NBAs vs 1.

Never been done before in NBA Finals history

weird how you ignore context. kyrie was injured in the season so he missed out on all nba. draymond was also suspended and iguodala got hurt in the finals so the cavs had a lot of luck involved. also the thunder took warriors to 7 so they werent as good as theyre record indicated

[Trollsmasher]

.
Toughest rings based ranked by average SRS of opponents since 1990


Team Year F/CF/CSF/FR (Average SRS)

HOU 1995 6.44/5.90/3.85/7.76 (5.9875 average) <---46.8% higher than median
LAL 2001 3.63/7.92/6.07/4.52 (5.535 average)
CHI 1992 7.97/5.56/5.51/1.77 (5.2025 average)
LAL 2002 3.67/7.61/6.28/3.21 (5.1925 average)
LAL 2000 4.15/6.36/5.24/3.04 (4.6975 average)
DAL 2011 6.76/3.81/6.01/1.84 (4.605 average)
CLE 2016 10.38/4.08/3.49/0.43 (4.595 average)
SAS 2014 4.15/6.66/4.44/2.91 (4.54 average)
HOU 1994 6.48/4.10/4.68/2.59 (4.4625 average)
CHI 1996 6.27/5.87/6.30/-0.67 (4.4425 average)
TOR 2019 6.42/8.04/2.25/0.28 (4.2475 average)
LAL 2010 3.37/4.67/5.33/3.55 (4.23 average)
SAS 2003 4.42/7.90/2.71/1.56 (4.1475 average)
CHI 1993 7.40/5.40/2.24/1.46 (4.125 average)
CHI 1991 5.73/6.25/2.45/1.88 (4.0775 average) <---median
LAL 2009 6.48/3.12/3.73/2.31 (3.9075 average)
SAS 2007 3.33/3.06/7.28/1.69 (3.84 average)
SAS 2005 3.31/7.08/2.59/2.23 (3.8025 average)
DET 1990 6.38/2.13/4.11/1.26 (3.47 average)
MIA 2006 5.96/6.24/1.11/0.51 (3.455 average)
GSW 2017 2.87/7.13/4.00/-0.23 (3.4425 average)
MIA 2012 6.44/2.26/2.59/2.39 (3.42 average)
GSW 2018 0.59/8.21/1.48/2.89 (3.2925 average)
GSW 2015 4.08/3.82/3.62/1.13 (3.1625 average)
CHI 1997 6.94/5.34/3.67/(-3.94) (3.0025 average)
DET 2004 4.35/4.93/1.88/0.42 (2.895 average)
BOS 2008 7.34/6.67/-0.53/-2.23 (2.8125 average)
CHI 1998 6.73/3.08/-0.39/-0.43 (2.2475 average)
SAS 1999 1.45/5.67/2.67/-0.17 (2.405 average)
MIA 2013 6.67/3.34/-0.02/-1.83 (2.04 average)
LAL 2020 2.59/2.35/3.13/-0.61 (1.865 average) <---54.2% lower than median



Jordan has the most runs in the top 15

nobody takes '90s SRS seriously since top teams were farming shit teams

[Baller789]

nobody takes '90s SRS seriously since top teams were farming shit teams

False.

Only Lebrontards don't take it seriously because it hurts your agenda.

Lol.

[imdaman99]

Rockets in 95.

[Baller789]

Rockets in 95.
If it encompassed 40 years, yes.

But the thread says 30, so the answer is the Mavs.

[imdaman99]

If it encompassed 40 years, yes.

But the thread says 30, so the answer is the Mavs.

:lol 2020-1995=25

[Manny98]

Easily 2011 Mavs

[Axe]

Everyone faced those same conditions

So no

Only 1 guy had the playoff scoring leader as a teammate
Everyone?

Curry didn't even play at all because he had to use a fake injury as klay was sidelined since the conclusion of the 2019 finals.

Therefore, the warriors easily had the worst record in the whole league last season and thus, became steve kerr's first season of missing the playoffs as head coach.

[Stanley Kobrick]

Everyone?

Curry didn't even play at all because he had to use a fake injury as klay was sidelined since the conclusion of the 2019 finals.

Therefore, the warriors easily had the worst record in the whole league last season and thus, became steve kerr's first season of missing the playoffs as head coach.
high iq post

[Axe]

high iq post
:cheers:

[Jasper]

last 30 years ---- Majic's last chip if I recall (it was a war with Boston)
Or am I thinking of his previous ring ?

[Smoke117]

last 30 years ---- Majic's last chip if I recall (it was a war with Boston)
Or am I thinking of his previous ring ?

That was the seven game series vs the Pistons in 88.

[HoopsNY]

Dirk's Mavs swept the defending champs, then beat KD and the Thunder, then beat a super-team with prime LeBron after being down 1-2. That has to be the toughest in the last 30 years.

[Smook A.]

Toughest road to a championship - 2011 Mavs

Toughest finals win - 2016 Cavs

[Shooter]

2016 LeBron beat 3 All-NBAs vs 1.

Never been done before in NBA Finals history

Guys?

[HoopsNY]

Toughest road to a championship - 2011 Mavs

Toughest finals win - 2016 Cavs

Agreed

[dankok8]

Raptors in '19 IMO... A long see-saw series with stacked Philly team that took a buzzerbeater in Game 7 then down 0-2 going into OT in Game 3 against best record Bucks and somehow coming back from that and then Finals against the Warriors.

[Axe]

Raptors in '19 IMO... A long see-saw series with stacked Philly team that took a buzzerbeater in Game 7 then down 0-2 going into OT in Game 3 against best record Bucks and somehow coming back from that and then Finals against the Warriors.
That philly team is worse than other perennial competing teams in the east.

[SATAN]

Toughest road to a championship - 2011 Mavs

Toughest finals win - 2016 Cavs

Reasonable

[WhiteKyrie]

Funny thing is Cleveland was +280 odds to win the title at the begining of the 2016 season. Warriors were +480 so solid underdogs but they overachieved with their talent by having perfect teamwork.
True. TBH the 2011, and 2014 Heat as well as the 2015, 2016 and even 2017 Cavs all underachieved relative to their talent as well as in conference competition.

[dankok8]

That philly team is worse than other perennial competing teams in the east.

I don't think so. That Philly team had Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Tobias Harris, Monroe and Boban. That was a really talented team. Honestly we had Kawhi but they had the next three best players in that series. The Bucks team also had a healthy Giannis and were in much better form than this past postseason.

[Stephonit]

2015 Warriors.

[Axe]

2015 Warriors.
Lol what

[Axe]

I don't think so. That Philly team had Embiid, Simmons, Butler, Tobias Harris, Monroe and Boban. That was a really talented team. Honestly we had Kawhi but they had the next three best players in that series. The Bucks team also had a healthy Giannis and were in much better form than this past postseason.
Yeah but you can't overlook the fact that team never won at least 55 games in the last three years and at the same time, no division titles and no ecf trips yet as well under embiid's leadership. They have potential in their talents but they still came up short each time.

[dankok8]

Yeah but you can't overlook the fact that team never won at least 55 games in the last three years and at the same time, no division titles and no ecf trips yet as well under embiid's leadership. They have potential in their talents but they still came up short each time.

Yea but that's result bias. If Kawhi doesn't hit that shot maybe they make the ECF. Our two teams were very very evenly matched. From the 2nd round onwards we weren't favorites against any opponent.

[Axe]

Yea but that's result bias. If Kawhi doesn't hit that shot maybe they make the ECF. Our two teams were very very evenly matched. From the 2nd round onwards we weren't favorites against any opponent.
Eh maybe. But don't forget that the experience of kawhi and green playing in the finals also became a crucial factor in the later series en route to the raptors' first-ever championship. Even the bucks' hca didn't help giannis and co. against that.

[dankok8]

Eh maybe. But don't forget that the experience of kawhi and green playing in the finals also became a crucial factor in the later series en route to the raptors' first-ever championship. Even the bucks' hca didn't help giannis and co. against that.

No doubt but they still had us in OT in Game 3 down 0-2. They were one possession away from probably sweeping us and going on to win the title themselves. But the ball is round as they say... :pimp:

I still can't believe we won 18 months later. It's the happiest sports moment of a lifetime!

[Axe]

No doubt but they still had us in OT in Game 3 down 0-2. They were one possession away from probably sweeping us and going on to win the title themselves. But the ball is round as they say... :pimp:

I still can't believe we won 18 months later. It's the happiest sports moment of a lifetime!
Well kawhi stepped up when it completely mattered the most and nurse's defensive scheme against giannis did a lot of wonders for them. I wish the klaw just stayed for more than a year in the east but sadly, things can go different than how you'd want them to be.

[dankok8]

Well kawhi stepped up when it completely mattered the most and nurse's defensive scheme against giannis did a lot of wonders for them. I wish the klaw just stayed for more than a year in the east but sadly, things can go different than how you'd want them to be.

Yea it's a bit sad that we never had a chance to defend out titles. I honestly think we would have made another Finals in 2020 and possibly won it.