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Solidape
12-03-2020, 12:05 AM
Can someone that knows about this more than I fill me in on this.....is there still a possibility remaining that Trump could still win if the Electoral College decides to be faithless voters....vote for Trump regardless of popular vote?
KennyPowers
12-03-2020, 12:06 AM
What?
Solidape
12-03-2020, 12:08 AM
As far as I know the Electoral College will vote on December 14 to really elect the president....and as far as I know they can vote anyway they want to....they are under no real obligation.....or so I think....which is why I am asking
bladefd
12-03-2020, 05:47 AM
As far as I know the Electoral College will vote on December 14 to really elect the president....and as far as I know they can vote anyway they want to....they are under no real obligation.....or so I think....which is why I am asking
You would need double digit number of them. The math is apparently 37 Biden delegates (all probably Democrats too). In something like half of the states, electors are required by state law to vote by popular vote so elector has no choice but to vote for whoever had popular vote.
Real Men Wear Green
12-03-2020, 07:53 AM
Trump's throwing two hail maries. One is top get certain state houses to select pro Trump electors in defiance of the state vote. The other is to get a bunch of cases (he needs a number of states flipped and each state will probably need one or more winning cases) in front of the Supreme Court and win them. The first isn't going to happen so now it's down to ther legal cluster**** strategy.
TheMan
12-03-2020, 03:34 PM
Yeah, Trump ain't getting any faithless electoral votes, not one. It's over, pretty hilarious and pathetic that Trumptards are STILL holding out hope though :lol
Kblaze8855
12-04-2020, 09:22 AM
I don’t believe there are enough key states that allow faithless electors to simply overrule the people to make Trump win....even if he had enough republicans down to flat out destroy democracy to do it. And I very much doubt he does.
Jasper
12-04-2020, 08:16 PM
he could have the house vote and he could still be president.
I made a thread about this with a video.
As long as he does not concede.
But if he retains the presidency ..... the republican party is in the toilet because the majority Americans would consider this a
form of dictatorship, and in 2024 he would be ousted.
bladefd
12-05-2020, 12:20 AM
he could have the house vote and he could still be president.
I made a thread about this with a video.
As long as he does not concede.
But if he retains the presidency ..... the republican party is in the toilet because the majority Americans would consider this a
form of dictatorship, and in 2024 he would be ousted.
Highly unlikely it ever reaches that point.
Kblaze8855
12-05-2020, 11:47 AM
he could have the house vote and he could still be president.
I made a thread about this with a video.
As long as he does not concede.
But if he retains the presidency ..... the republican party is in the toilet because the majority Americans would consider this a
form of dictatorship, and in 2024 he would be ousted.
The house only votes after an electoral tie. It has nothing to do with him conceding or not and he can’t just request it either.
Its totally out of his hands.
bladefd
12-05-2020, 02:58 PM
The house only votes after an electoral tie. It has nothing to do with him conceding or not and he can’t just request it either.
Its totally out of his hands.
Only other way it is possible is if mass voter fraud has been found sweeping across the country in enough states that no candidate could break 270 electoral vote line and mass fraud is brought up in court with hard evidence.
Unfortunately that scenario is out of the window because not only did Trump team fail to present evidence of mass voter fraud happening across the entire nation (they won't even bring it up as fraud in court), but California also certified their election results. Biden is past the 270 threshold since California certified. Tie is also out of the window.
Only remaining possibility now is if 37 of Biden's appointed electors (all heavy democrats btw) turn on him during the Electoral College vote and become faithless electors. Also, it's illegal for electors to go against popular vote in more than half the states.
Jasper
12-09-2020, 11:49 AM
The house only votes after an electoral tie. It has nothing to do with him conceding or not and he can’t just request it either.
Its totally out of his hands.
you are wrong --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWRhLW7Y8w&t=2s
bladefd
12-09-2020, 03:36 PM
you are wrong --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWRhLW7Y8w&t=2s
He is not wrong. Tie is one of the couple possible ways. Hard evidence presented in us supreme court of mass voter fraud in multiple states is another. Faithless electors in electoral college is the final third way.
Jasper
12-09-2020, 08:07 PM
He is not wrong. Tie is one of the couple possible ways. Hard evidence presented in us supreme court of mass voter fraud in multiple states is another. Faithless electors in electoral college is the final third way.
did you watch the video ?
bladefd
12-09-2020, 08:14 PM
did you watch the video ?
Yes, I did. He said nothing different than what has been said in this thread.
Jasper
12-10-2020, 12:15 AM
Yes, I did. He said nothing different than what has been said in this thread.
Ahhh - The video in about two seconds thru out the electoral college .. and then went on to say he could coup the
presidency , as long as he did NOT concede.
bladefd
12-10-2020, 12:44 AM
Ahhh - The video in about two seconds thru out the electoral college .. and then went on to say he could coup the
presidency , as long as he did NOT concede.
Courts have thus far refused to toss out millions of votes. States have also certified already.
He is saying each state could send alternate rival electors to the electoral college claiming to be real electors. For it to matter here, these rival electors must come from a few of the battleground states - wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, arizona, nevada - to matter. I believe all of those states certified Biden victory -- all electors who show up have to be certified by Biden campaign afaik so it's probably too late anyways to do a coup with alternate electors. I don't see how any of those 6 states just decide to send non-approved electors. I think it's too late.
Only possibility remaining is faithless electors appointed by Biden turning on him or the US Supreme Court ruling millions of votes tossed out before next week. If the Supreme Court does that, you might as well say goodbye to democracy & US Constitution. I don't see any way the US Supreme Court ever doing that - you would need 5 to rule in favor of tossing out millions of votes in multiple states.
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