Is it Safe to say Bird owned Jordan?

[1987_Lakers]

I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

Kind of makes Jordan's '88 MVP come off as even more of a joke, no? Not that I really care but all you really hear about is the 63 points.

[Smoke117]

Larry Bird said that along with Michael Cooper that Scottie Pippen was the best defender he faced in his career. Nothing about Mr. 1-9.

[1987_Lakers]

What makes the '87 playoff series even worse is Bird was without McHale in that game 3. Chicago had a 7 point lead in the 4th, but MJ proceeds to miss every shot while Bird scores 10 points in the quarter to close them out, WITHOUT McHale!

[Young X]

In the same way Durant "owned" Lebron in the 2017 and 2018 Finals. Sure.

[Bankaii]

In the same way Durant "owned" Lebron in the 2017 and 2018 Finals. Sure.
Except Lebron outplayed Durant for about half of those games, and played him equally for the majority of the other ones.
So no the two situations are nothing alike with the exception of completely outmatched teams. Jordan was getting smashed as shown in the OP.

[Young X]

Except Lebron outplayed Durant for about half of those games, and played him equally for the majority of the other ones.
So no the two situations are nothing alike with the exception of completely outmatched teams. Jordan was getting smashed as shown in the OP.
No he didn't. Durant was the best player in both series. I even made a thread on here tracking those finals.

The only games Lebron outplayed Durant were game 1 of the 2018 finals and games 3 and 4 of the 2017 finals. That's only 3 of 9 games and he lost 8 of 9 games.

[3ball]

In the same way Durant "owned" Lebron in the 2017 and 2018 Finals. Sure.

Jordan had a 30-win 8 seed and outperformed bird individually, while lebron had a defending champion super-team, and was outplayed by durant

The Warriors had curry at 2nd option, but the Cavs had the guy that demolished curry as their #2

[8Ball]

No doubt Jordan got curb stomped by Bird.

LeBron is even better than Bird.

Imagine Jordan getting humiliated by a superior basketball player in LeBron.

[Bankaii]

No he didn't. Durant was the best player in both series. I even made a thread on here tracking those finals.

The only games Lebron outplayed Durant were game 1 of the 2018 finals and games 3 and 4 of the 2017 finals. That's only 3 of 9 games and he lost 8 of 9 games.
Outside of game 1 in 2017 Lebron played him equally. The difference was the teams.
But you bringing up lebron in a thread that had nothing to do with him makes it obvious that there’s no point in trying to debate this with you.

[Round Mound]

Bird before injuries was something special. Best Team Player Ever! :bowdown:

[Carbine]

Im really not sure what the point of this is.

Bird at his best is on par with anyone ever. Seeing him outplay a pre-peak Jordan is not surprising whatsoever.

[HoopsNY]

Im really not sure what the point of this is.

Bird at his best is on par with anyone ever. Seeing him outplay a pre-peak Jordan is not surprising whatsoever.

The OP is a LeBron stan. He desperately attempts to discredit MJ in order to prop up his idol, the way the other stans do on this forum. Imagine using one of the greatest teams of all-time and championing that against MJ's team from 1986-87 as some sort of proof of anything.

I really have to wonder where the OP and the other Bron stans rank Bird in relation to MJ. If MJ is ranked higher, then the question is why :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

The OP is a LeBron stan. He desperately attempts to discredit MJ in order to prop up his idol, the way the other stans do on this forum. Imagine using one of the greatest teams of all-time and championing that against MJ's team from 1986-87 as some sort of proof of anything.

I really have to wonder where the OP and the other Bron stans rank Bird in relation to MJ. If MJ is ranked higher, then the question is why :confusedshrug:
Baldan is renting free in op's head.

I mean come on, he can be better than being childish like this.

[Shooter]

Bird vs MJ: 6-0

MJ vs Bird: 0-6

MJ = WINLESS

[1987_Lakers]

The OP is a LeBron stan. He desperately attempts to discredit MJ in order to prop up his idol, the way the other stans do on this forum. Imagine using one of the greatest teams of all-time and championing that against MJ's team from 1986-87 as some sort of proof of anything.

I really have to wonder where the OP and the other Bron stans rank Bird in relation to MJ. If MJ is ranked higher, then the question is why :confusedshrug:

The OP was originally posted by the ISH legend fatal9, but since that thread no longer exists I thought I'd pay tribute to one of his classic discussions.

[Round Mound]

The OP was originally posted by the ISH legend fatal9, but since that thread no longer exists I thought I'd pay tribute to one of his classic discussions.

Why did they erace the original thread?

[dankok8]

These agenda-driven threads are funny. How about posting complete numbers from Jordan's rookie year and all their playoffs games?

[LAmbruh]

Bird use to pin Michael butt naked against locker room showers just like everyone else in the 80's

[1987_Lakers]

Why did they erace the original thread?

Lots of threads have disappeared over the years. I think the owner of this site deletes a chunk of them.

[Shooter]

Bird use to pin Michael butt naked against locker room showers just like everyone else in the 80's

80s was a tough time for MJ :eek:

[Bronbron23]

I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

Kind of makes Jordan's '88 MVP come off as even more of a joke, no? Not that I really care but all you really hear about is the 63 points.

Yup

[HoopsNY]

These agenda-driven threads are funny. How about posting complete numbers from Jordan's rookie year and all their playoffs games?

Because it would defeat the purpose of the thread

1984-85

Jordan: 27/2/2/2/1 on 12-24 (50%) with 1 TO
Bird: 14/17/3/0/2 on 6-17 (35%) with 3 TOs

Jordan: 32/12/8/0/3 on 12-18 (67%) with 3 TOs
Bird: 10/7/4/0/0 on 3-14 (21%) with 2 TOs

Jordan: 36/6/6/2/1 on 12-24 (50%) with 4 TOs
Bird: 28/11/4/3/3 on 9-21 (43%) with 2 TOs

Jordan: 41/12/7/4/1 on 14-25 (56%) with 1 TO
Bird: 27/9/7/1/3 on 9-21 (43%) with 4 TOs

Jordan: 26/4/7/3/0 on 8-18 (44%) with 3 TOs
Bird: 34/8/5/2/0 on 16-28 (57%) with 5 TOs

Jordan: 33/7/3/5/2 on 13-28 (46%) with 5 TOs
Bird: 27/9/10/4/1 on 11-24 (46%) with 6 TOs

Jordan "outplayed" Bird in arguably 4 of their first 6 matchups with one of those games being about even. They like to use arbitrary numbers when it serves their purpose with two players who weren't even each other's defensive matchups, and one team being one of the greatest of all time (inclusive of the 1986 team) with an 8th seed.

I don't know who Fatal is, but if this is his logic then it's skewed. Should we claim that rookie Jordan was the superior player to MVP Bird because of their "matchups" in his rookie season? Ridiculous thinking at its finest.

[Smoke117]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l46CvKbq79EcLjxpm/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47785dtkqote7c9amtvtuzlu0zg6rq we3qoudv5ett&rid=giphy.gif

[Axe]

Why did they erace the original thread?
Jeff?

[Round Mound]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l46CvKbq79EcLjxpm/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47785dtkqote7c9amtvtuzlu0zg6rq we3qoudv5ett&rid=giphy.gif

:bowdown:

[light]

You mean Danny Ainge.

[StrongLurk]

Bird called Jordan "God in disguise as a basketball player"...so yeah we know Bird thought Jordan was the GOAT from early on.

[Goldrush25]

In the same way Durant "owned" Lebron in the 2017 and 2018 Finals. Sure.

Lebron has beaten Durant in the playoffs.

[colts19]

Because it would defeat the purpose of the thread

1984-85

Jordan: 27/2/2/2/1 on 12-24 (50%) with 1 TO
Bird: 14/17/3/0/2 on 6-17 (35%) with 3 TOs

Jordan: 32/12/8/0/3 on 12-18 (67%) with 3 TOs
Bird: 10/7/4/0/0 on 3-14 (21%) with 2 TOs

Jordan: 36/6/6/2/1 on 12-24 (50%) with 4 TOs
Bird: 28/11/4/3/3 on 9-21 (43%) with 2 TOs

Jordan: 41/12/7/4/1 on 14-25 (56%) with 1 TO
Bird: 27/9/7/1/3 on 9-21 (43%) with 4 TOs

Jordan: 26/4/7/3/0 on 8-18 (44%) with 3 TOs
Bird: 34/8/5/2/0 on 16-28 (57%) with 5 TOs

Jordan: 33/7/3/5/2 on 13-28 (46%) with 5 TOs
Bird: 27/9/10/4/1 on 11-24 (46%) with 6 TOs

Jordan "outplayed" Bird in arguably 4 of their first 6 matchups with one of those games being about even. They like to use arbitrary numbers when it serves their purpose with two players who weren't even each other's defensive matchups, and one team being one of the greatest of all time (inclusive of the 1986 team) with an 8th seed.

I don't know who Fatal is, but if this is his logic then it's skewed. Should we claim that rookie Jordan was the superior player to MVP Bird because of their "matchups" in his rookie season? Ridiculous thinking at its finest.

What was their w/l, of it was Bird 4 MJ 2. you forgot to mention that.

[Axe]

You mean Danny Ainge.
Who played for two, weak western finalists twice in a row.

[HoopsNY]

What was their w/l, of it was Bird 4 MJ 2. you forgot to mention that.

No I didn't. The W/L record is useless to me, unless you actually think the 1985 Bulls, a 38 win team, was somehow comparable to the Celtics, a 63 win team.

Not to mention, we're talking about rookie Michael Jordan and league MVP Larry Bird. See how silly this would be on my part to argue in favor of MJ?

Then to use 1986 is even worse. You're talking about an MJ who missed almost the entire season up against a Celtics team that is legitimately one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. So suddenly a 30 win team is comparable to a 67 win team? Where does the stupidity begin, let alone end?

[Shooter]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/l46CvKbq79EcLjxpm/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47785dtkqote7c9amtvtuzlu0zg6rq we3qoudv5ett&rid=giphy.gif

GOAT defensive anchor and offensive leader

Led MJ to 6 chips :bowdown:

[Shooter]

No I didn't. The W/L record is useless to me, unless you actually think the 1985 Bulls, a 38 win team, was somehow comparable to the Celtics, a 63 win team.

Not to mention, we're talking about rookie Michael Jordan and league MVP Larry Bird. See how silly this would be on my part to argue in favor of MJ?

Then to use 1986 is even worse. You're talking about an MJ who missed almost the entire season up against a Celtics team that is legitimately one of the greatest teams to ever play the game. So suddenly a 30 win team is comparable to a 67 win team? Where does the stupidity begin, let alone end?

What about a 57-win team to a 73-win team?

[Sulico]

He did own Jordan. That's why Bird is higher on my GOAT list than MJ. He's higher than Lebron too.

[Bronbron23]

Not sure why this is a problem either way. Of course he owned mj. That's what the the goat players are supposed to do to young up and coming goat players. Mj haters are idiots for acting like it's a reflection on young mj and mj stans are idiots for denying that it happened.

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

[kenneth_griffin]

kobe owned MJ individually for the most part as well.. held his own vs bulls mj and demolished wizards MJ... and? jordans still better than kobe

[2much_knowledge]

Yes Bird kinda owned him. And thats not a bad thing and its expected

Bird was at his peak. Mj was a pup
Bird had a squad. Mj did not

Not too difficult to grasp is it?

[Spain_]

I mean just look at the '87-'88 stretch where they matched up 10 times in the season and once in the playoffs. Both were healthy and MVP caliber players so no excuses for either player...


11/14/86
Bird - 37/10/5 (13/25 shooting)
Jordan - 48/5/1 (17/33 shooting)

Celtics win, I'd say it's a wash though.

01/02/87
Bird - 37/8/9 (61.1%)
Jordan - 34/8/3 (41.9%)

Celtics win, Bird easily wins the matchup. Highlights of the game here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=3ChmRhlFzk0&feature=emb_title
. As you can see Jordan made a pitiful attempt at guarding him.

27/01/87
Bird - 24/14/3 (39%)
Jordan - 30/6/4 (38%)

Celtics win. Wash.

28/01/87
Bird - 26/5/9 (65%)
Jordan - 27/4/4 (48%)
Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

27/03/87
Bird - 41/7/7 (58.6%)
Jordan - 22/7/7 (39.1%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

17/04/87
Bird - 38/8/7 (59%)
Jordan - 17/4/8 (33%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup.

12/01/88
Bird - 38/9/8 (58%)
Jordan - 42/4/6 (53%)

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup.

18/03/88
Bird - 19/10/6
Jordan - 50/9/5

Bulls win. Jordan finally wins head to head.

20/03/88
Bird - 33/7/8 (67%)
Jordan - 26/4/7 (56%)

Celtics win. Bird easily wins matchup. Highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp0NMFf9Dkg&feature=emb_title

21/04/88
Bird - 44/10/3 (65.5%)
Jordan - 39/3/8 (51.5%)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdMjK-60H-k

Celtics win. Bird wins matchup *yawn*


Bird's record in this stretch? 9-1 while outperforming him in nearly every game. What makes this worse? Bird made Jordan look like a child when Jordan tried to guard him. Meanwhile the possessions I saw Bird guard Jordan, he defended him quite well (definitly wasn't gambling for steals to leave him open in the post).

Moreover, Jordan is 0-6 in the playoffs including this disaster in '87: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RVMJSCTj5Y (Jordan makes 0 shots in the 4th quarter...Bulls had a 7 point lead with 11 minutes left...but Bird showed up when it mattered while Jordan was no where to be seen)

Kind of makes Jordan's '88 MVP come off as even more of a joke, no? Not that I really care but all you really hear about is the 63 points.

Holy F*ck Bird was good.

[Airupthere]

I'm a huge jordan fan and yeah, prime Bird owned him. I don't have a problem with that. Respect to both of these authentic legends.

[Bronbron23]

Who played for two, weak western finalists twice in a row.

I guess we're using the first 3 years as a measurement of goatness. That would put magic and bird both above bron and mj. I'm fine with that but my guess is bron stans aren't. You can't have it both ways.

[DoctorP]

It's not safe to say it from a politically correct perspective but yeah Bird owned Jordan pretty hard.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

:oldlol::roll:

[Bronbron23]

:oldlol::roll:

Better off getting cucked by bird than Dwight howard and booker:facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Just like it's safe to say Paul Pierce owned Lebron.

[And1AllDay]

Better off getting cucked by bird than Dwight howard and booker:facepalm

mike was 0-6 vs bird
bran was 2-4

2 ez bb girrrrrLLLLLL

:dancin

[FKAri]

I wouldn't say its safe. You're bound to get harassed by MJ dicc riders.

[TheMan]

Bird did own MJ for a stretch, no shame in that, Bird is a legitimate GOAT and he led one of the GOAT teams in NBA history. OP wants to present himself as an unbiased hoops connoisseur but in reality he's an agenda driven Bran stan hack...nothing to see here folks.

[And1AllDay]

Bird did own MJ for a stretch, no shame in that, Bird is a legitimate GOAT and he led one of the GOAT teams in NBA history. OP wants to present himself as an unbiased hoops connoisseur but in reality he's an agenda driven Bran stan hack...nothing to see here folks.

you ok bruh you been a little melty lately???

[TheMan]

you ok bruh you been a little melty lately???

Why would I be melty, just pushing back against the retards whose King was recently put down like a mangy mutt. You guys have been binge posting shit threads in an obvious attempt to deflect and overcompensate for the brutal pummeling at the hands of a fringe NBA top 20 player along with a one armed senior citizen and a bunch of NBA playoffs noobs :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

Why would I be melty, just pushing back against the retards whose King was recently put down like a mangy mutt. You guys have been binge posting threads in an obvious attempt to deflect and overcompensate the brutal pummeling of a fringe NBA top 20 player along with a one armed senior citizen with a bunch of NBA playoffs noobs :confusedshrug:

deflect what? lebran has been goat a while now

[1987_Lakers]

Bird did own MJ for a stretch, no shame in that, Bird is a legitimate GOAT and he led one of the GOAT teams in NBA history. OP wants to present himself as an unbiased hoops connoisseur but in reality he's an agenda driven Bran stan hack...nothing to see here folks.

I thought you weren't gonna follow me around. :oldlol:

The butt hurt is strong with this post.

[And1AllDay]

I thought you weren't gonna follow me around. :oldlol:

The butt hurt is strong with this post.

:oldlol::oldlol:

got'm

[TheMan]

I thought you weren't gonna follow me around. :oldlol:

The butt hurt is strong with this post.

I didn't quote any of your shit posts, but I did call out your feeble attempt at throwing shade at the GOAT...keep up.

[And1AllDay]

I didn't quote any of your shit posts, but I did call out your feeble attempt at throwing shade at the GOAT...keep up. The guy I quoted is what you wish you were, a knowledgeable unbiased poster.

he didnt throw shade at bran


or did you meant mikeytop5?

[1987_Lakers]

Why would I be melty, just pushing back against the retards whose King was recently put down like a mangy mutt. You guys have been binge posting shit threads in an obvious attempt to deflect and overcompensate for the brutal pummeling at the hands of a fringe NBA top 20 player along with a one armed senior citizen and a bunch of NBA playoffs noobs :confusedshrug:

I made this thread like a year ago, it got bumped last night. And fatal9 deserves credit for the OP, he made this topic years back but deciding to recreate it to educate since fatal's thread got deleted by Jeff among 100s of other threads through the years.

[Bronbron23]

mike was 0-6 vs bird
bran was 2-4

2 ez bb girrrrrLLLLLL

:dancin

Well bron is the better loser. Good thing mj is the better winner.

F*cking bron stans lol. Bbbbbbbbut bron lost better:facepalm

[TheMan]

he didnt throw shade at bran


or did you meant mikeytop5?

I don't know what thrie means but if you meant throw, yeah he's throwing shit at the GOAT. OP claims to be a member of RealGM but far as I know, trolling is a no no at that site so I seriously doubt he's a member.

[1987_Lakers]

I didn't quote any of your shit posts, but I did call out your feeble attempt at throwing shade at the GOAT...keep up.

I threw no such shade at LeBron.

[TheMan]

I made this thread like a year ago, it got bumped last night. And fatal9 deserves credit for the OP, he made this topic years back but deciding to recreate it to educate since fatal's thread got deleted by Jeff among 100s of other threads through the years.

Educate? Is that what you call it? Yeah MJ got owned by Bird in that stretch, he's a legitimate GOAT and led one of the GOAT teams in history while MJ wasn't yet at his peak and had nowhere near the squad you need to compete. Guess what, it happens to all the GOAT tier players. But as always, you left off stretches where a young MJ outplayed peak MVP Bird, but obviously that wouldn't fit your agenda, right?

[1987_Lakers]

Educate? Is that what you call it? Yeah MJ got owned by Bird in that stretch, he's a legitimate GOAT and led one of the GOAT teams in history while MJ wasn't yet at his peak and had nowhere near the squad you need to compete. Guess what, it happens to all the GOAT tier players. But as always, you left off stretches where a young MJ outplayed peak MVP Bird, but obviously that wouldn't fit your agenda, right?

And at the biggest stage MJ went 0-6 against Bird. :(

[And1AllDay]

Well bron is the better loser. Good thing mj is the better winner.

F*cking bron stans lol. Bbbbbbbbut bron lost better:facepalm

mike lost better

1-9 lives forever :oldlol:

[TheMan]

I threw no such shade at LeBron.

Yeah well because we all know he isn't the consensus GOAT, you've said it yourself. I've seen you call MJ the GOAT in those rare instances of honesty, don't act dumb with me. Troll all you want, that's all we have here anyways.

[1987_Lakers]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

:roll:

[TheMan]

And at the biggest stage MJ went 0-6 against Bird. :(

The biggest stage is the Finals, no bigger stage than that and your boi is .400 :( Finals loser Bran

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah well because we all know he isn't the consensus GOAT, you've said it yourself. I've seen you call MJ the GOAT in those rare instances of honesty, don't act dumb with me. Troll all you want, that's all we have here anyways.

Pretty sure I've called MJ the GOAT before LeBron won his 4th.

[TheMan]

Pretty sure I've called MJ the GOAT before LeBron won his 4th.

That's fair but if you want to call LeBron GOAT because he added a 4th ring...6 > 4. Just a heads up.

[1987_Lakers]

That's fair but if you want to call LeBron GOAT because he added a 4th ring...6 > 4. Just a heads up.

I value LeBron's longevity and quality of rings more. Durant-Harden-Westbrook Thunder, dynasty Spurs, 73-9 Warriors etc. Yea quality of opponent wasnt strong in 2020 but at 35 he dominated that entire postseason like no other 35 year old has.

[colts19]

I value LeBron's longevity and quality of rings more. Durant-Harden-Westbrook Thunder, dynasty Spurs, 73-9 Warriors etc. Yea quality of opponent wasnt strong in 2020 but at 35 he dominated that entire postseason like no other 35 year old has.

The problem with Lebrons quality of rings argument is the lack of quality of his losses. He lost 2 times in the finals by a record amount. Then you have the loss to Dirk's Mavs and you have to admit Jordan never had those kinds of losses.

[TheMan]

I value LeBron's longevity and quality of rings more. Durant-Harden-Westbrook Thunder, dynasty Spurs, 73-9 Warriors etc. Yea quality of opponent wasnt strong in 2020 but at 35 he dominated that entire postseason like no other 35 year old has.

Quality of rings really isn't a thing though, if it was, teams like the 1986 Celtics wouldn't be considered a GOAT team, they beat the Rockets in the Finals with a pre prime Hakeem and Ralph frigging Sampson. You can always find a way to throw shade at an opponent if you have an agenda, you know, like this...the 2012 Thunder were pups, Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka were nowhere near their prime. The 2013 Spurs were old af, past their peak and KL was just a pup. The 2016 Warriors played their best basketball in the regular season, they almost got knocked out by the Thunder, then they had to deal with injuries to Bogut and Curry, plus DGreen's suspect suspension, along with LeBron having the highest scoring help in KI, who made the GM 7 winning shot :confusedshrug:

If my agenda, like yours apparently is, is to tear down someone's legacy, it's really not that hard...it's dishonest af but it's not hard.

[Bronbron23]

mike lost better

1-9 lives forever :oldlol:

Sure also won better and that's all that matters

[TheMan]

The problem with Lebrons quality of rings argument is the lack of quality of his losses. He lost 2 times in the finals by a record amount. Then you have the loss to Dirk's Mavs and you have to admit Jordan never had those kinds of losses.

He was swept twice in the Finals too.

[And1AllDay]

I value LeBron's longevity and quality of rings more. Durant-Harden-Westbrook Thunder, dynasty Spurs, 73-9 Warriors etc. Yea quality of opponent wasnt strong in 2020 but at 35 he dominated that entire postseason like no other 35 year old has.

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[1987_Lakers]

Quality of rings really isn't a thing though, if it was, teams like the 1986 Celtics wouldn't be considered a GOAT team, they beat the Rockets in the Finals with a pre prime Hakeem and Ralph frigging Sampson. You can always find a way to throw shade at an opponent if you have an agenda, you know, like this...the 2012 Thunder were pups, Durant, Westbrook, Harden and Ibaka were nowhere near their prime. The 2013 Spurs were old af, past their peak and KL was just a pup. The 2016 Warriors played their best basketball in the regular season, they almost got knocked out by the Thunder, then they had to deal with injuries to Bogut and Curry, plus DGreen's suspect suspension, along with LeBron having the highest scoring help in KI, who made the GM 7 winning shot :confusedshrug:

If my agenda, like yours apparently is, is to tear down someone's legacy, it's really not that hard...it's dishonest af but it's not hard.

Yes it is, that's why no one gives a crap about teams who won the Finals in '74-'79, it was a weak era. Bill Russell has 11 rings, again weak era. If all rings meant the same, Bill Russell would easily be the GOAT.

MJ played the Lakers without Kareem, Drexler who couldn't create his own shot, Suns with no defense, Sonics who's best player was a poor man's CP3 & an ancient Malone & Stockton. Not impressed.

[TheMan]

Yes it is, that's why no one gives a crap about teams who won the Finals in '74-'79, it was a weak era. Bill Russell has 11 rings, again weak era. If all rings meant the same, Bill Russell would easily be the GOAT.

MJ played the Lakers without Kareem, Drexler who couldn't create his own shot, Suns with no defense, Sonics who's best player was a poor man's CP3 & an ancient Malone & Stockton. Not impressed.

Bill Russell isn't considered GOAT because he isn't even the GOAT player at his position. KAJ, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem were better two way centers but he definitely gets mentioned, deservedly so, in GOAT debates. Anyways, I proved my point, I could easily tear down LeBron's Finals opponents like you did with MJ...it ain't like Bran beat the '86 Celtics, Showtime Lakers, '83 76ers and Shaq/Kobe Lakers for his 4 chips either...

:cheers:

[Bronbron23]

Bill Russell isn't considered GOAT because he isn't even the GOAT player at his position. KAJ, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem were better two way centers but he definitely gets mentioned, deservedly so, in GOAT debates. Anyways, I proved my point, I could easily tear down LeBron's Finals opponents like you did with MJ...it ain't like Bran beat the '86 Celtics, Showtime Lakers, '83 76ers and Shaq/Kobe Lakers for his 4 chips either...

:cheers:

Well russell is considered goat by some. Not sure anyone on this forum is qualified to say if he is or not. That's why i don't get into the goat convo.

[DoctorP]

Why would I be melty, just pushing back against the retards whose King was recently put down like a mangy mutt. You guys have been binge posting shit threads in an obvious attempt to deflect and overcompensate for the brutal pummeling at the hands of a fringe NBA top 20 player along with a one armed senior citizen and a bunch of NBA playoffs noobs :confusedshrug:

This.

Hahaha!

[TheMan]

Well russell is considered goat by some. Not sure anyone on this forum is qualified to say if he is or not. That's why i don't get into the goat convo.

:cheers:

[1987_Lakers]

Bill Russell isn't considered GOAT because he isn't even the GOAT player at his position. KAJ, Wilt, Shaq and Hakeem were better two way centers but he definitely gets mentioned, deservedly so, in GOAT debates. Anyways, I proved my point, I could easily tear down LeBron's Finals opponents like you did with MJ...it ain't like Bran beat the '86 Celtics, Showtime Lakers, '83 76ers and Shaq/Kobe Lakers for his 4 chips either...

:cheers:

You could tear down LeBron's Finals oponents all you want, but at the end of the day we all know he played much better competition in the Finals than Jordan and it isn't even close. I have no problem with people thinking MJ is the GOAT, but you better believe me that from here on out people will always argue it cause LeBron has put together quite an extraordinary career, MJ is no longer the consensus GOAT like he used to.

[And1AllDay]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

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[And1AllDay]

You could tear down LeBron's Finals oponents all you want, but at the end of the day we all know he played much better competition in the Finals than Jordan and it isn't even close. I have no problem with people thinking MJ is the GOAT, but you better believe me that from here on out people will always argue it cause LeBron has put together quite an extraordinary career, MJ is no longer the consensus GOAT like he used to.

1987bombDropper

fax :applause:

[Shooter]

https://i.postimg.cc/vZbhrygm/Bird-6-0-vs-MJ.png

Shit :roll::roll:

[And1AllDay]

And at the biggest stage MJ went 0-6 against Bird. :(

wrekt